Talk:Artemis Fowl II

POV

Wikipedia isn't for advertisement or opinions. The information concerning some of those external links is opinion. I'll get rid of the information; anyone who wants to replace it without the POV is welcome to do so. Vimescarrot

...Right...I'm not likely to get a reply, I know, but someone reverted my changes...what do I do now? When i try to read Wikipedia's guidelines and rules I can rarely find the information, and if I do it leaks out of my brain anyway. If someone could post some advice on my talk page I'd be grateful. Vimescarrot 13:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Are you talking about the links on the main page? Artemis Fowl Confidential IS the largest and most visited fan site on the internet, therefore it is not an opinion, but a fact. If wikipedia wasn't for advertisements, would there honestly be links sections on loads of the pages? iammatty 07:59, 27 January 2006 (GMT)

Whilst it's easy to measure the size of AFC's forums (just look at the member list) and they are the largest, it's more difficult to measure amount of site content, particularly where lots of different things are grouped together. For example, one site might have a small number each of many things, and another site have many things in fewer categories. Difficult to measure, especially as we're all updating all the time. Possibly better for us to stick to easily measurable quantitative facts. (But I don't think many people in the Artemis Fowl fandom would contest Eye on Fowl being the most up-to-date AF news site there is! Even if another site gets something first, which is extremely rare, it'll probably appear on EoF within hours, and EoF is often days ahead of other sites, so overall it is the most up-to-date... But I shan't add that back in.) KittyRainbow 02:05, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, nevermind, I thought someone had removed the "most up-to-date" thing but it's still there, and I can't find anything in the history to suggest it was ever removed. Memory playing tricks on me! Oh well, that's my case for it not being removed in future. KittyRainbow 02:31, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Fowl Family Motto

There's a lot of confusion generally about this motto, so I think a section here might be helpful. In the US, the motto is "aurum est potestas" which under Latin grammar is incorrect. The grammatically correct "aurum potestas est" is used in the UK editions. For this reason I've changed it back to the grammatically correct version and I suggest we keep it that way, possibly including a note in the article about the grammar, because a lot of people don't know about Latin grammar and will change it to the US version thinking that it is "wrong"... KittyRainbow 11:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I beg to differ. I am taking Latin I and the verb "est" may stand anywhere in the sentance. It does not change the meaning. Typically in Latin, the verb is at the end of the sentance, but "est", "sum", and other is/are words are the exception. Both phrases are correct. While they may not be what Eoin Colfer first put down, I don't think it really matters. They both read "Gold is Power."

Questions

I want to clarify two questions that I found related to the Artemis Fowl series. The first is about why there isn't an article on the Artemis Fowl movie. There was simply too much gossip, speculation and rumor about the cast and was thus deleted. The second was about the status of the article Doctor J. Argon. In my opinion, the article should not be merged because other characters have their own articles and a character that deserves its own article. Sr13 08:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Which article has Doctor J. Argon actually been proposed to be merged with? - jlao⁰⁴ 05:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

another question is of why there r so many different topics and no just 1 book contaning artemis fowl series —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.44.26.239 (talk) 22:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Arty with Asperger's?

"And yet, despite all his intellect, he is fairly pathetic when it comes to social skills, implying that he may suffer from Asperger's Syndrome."

I'm not sure I agree with this being stated in the article that it is implied that he "may suffer" (How about "have?" I don't know about "suffering" from Asperger's). Couldn't be just as likely that his 'pathetic' social skills stem from a lack of interaction with his peers? The article also says:

He isolates himself from his 'lesser-minded' peers as much as possible and prefers the company of Domovoi Butler, who plays the role of Artemis' bodyguard and best friend.

Maybe I'm just unconventional, but to me, it doesn't appear that he 'suffers from Asperger's Syndrome', to me, at least, it appears that young Master Fowl merely "suffers from" self-imposed isolation, and that is the cause of his 'pathetic' social skills. --Aerodotus 06:31, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. That was me. It's just that people that people with Apserger's Syndrome are normally very intelligent but quite pathetic in social situations. I thought that Artemis seemed like he had it.

Anon

Of course he doesn't suffer from Asperger's. We would know. Dan-the-man278 13:16, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but he definitely suffers from a lot of the symptoms. We don't know for sure, but it is likely. -007bond aka Matthew G aka codingmasters 22:53, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

He certainly does. I myself supposedly suffer from it so I should know. --Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk) 17:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

While a simple list of characteristics doesn't really prove anything (and I won't go so far as to say he definitely does have AS), he certainly does exhibit many traits common to AS. As Jupiter Optimus Maximus said, we who have it know what it's like. Funnily enough. Oh, and in response to Dan-the-man, sorry but we probably wouldn't. Six books so far, and we still only have relatively few biographical details like his birthdate, which was not mentioned until the end of Lost Colony. Similarly, the fact that he is ambidextrous was revealed in Opal Deception. But there's still lots we don't know, so to say "we would know" - for something like AS which can't even be clearly stated like biographical facts can - is not appropriate. Fnlfntsyfn (talk) 19:11, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

No, Artemis Fowl doesn't suffer from Asperger's. I believe from my knowledge of the books that he is just to intelligent to have a big social life. -Kaelin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.179.121.61 (talk) 00:23, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me, what? Since when does intelligence necessarily preclude a social life? -- Fnlfntsyfn (talk) 11:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

1. In the first book before he meets Nguyen the narration speaks of "his usual pessimism". Pessimism is common in aspies.
2. In the Arctic Incident Holly says "It's always darkest before the dawn" and he says "What dawn? We're in the Arctic remember?" Not understanding metaphors is another characteristic of having asperger's.
3. He's in bad physical shape (The Arctic Incident) and has bad balance (The Last Guardian says so as he gets on The Stick).
4. The aforementioned intelligence and poor social skills.

If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

86.45.226.161 (talk) 13:11, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Please see the policies on original research and verification. --‖ Ebyabe ^talk - Opposites Attract ‖ 18:49, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Birthday: September 1st or January 9th?

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It's September 1st. Colfer himself has said so, and there is no proof that it is otherwise. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 22:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Artemis put in his birthday as "01/09" at the end of Book V, apparently someone took this to mean he was born on September 1st, but when I read it I had assumed it was January 9th. Did it say his birthday was September 1st elsewhere? --67.162.34.19 19:49, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

January 9th would be correct if we were using the American date system - i.e., mm/dd. Here in Australia, and in the UK (the home of author Eoin Colfer) the dd/mm system is used, making it September 1st. There is no real possibility of it being January 9th, as the author is not American. --149.135.51.74 15:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Colfer is Irish, but your point is correct otherwise. Ygoloxelfer 00:12, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

"in The Eternity Code, which takes place 18 months after the kidnap incident during Christmas time, Jon Spiro mentions that Artemis will be fourteen in six months" - 18 months after Christmas would be June, and six months after that would be December. The closer and more logical date would be January 9 instead of September. Sideblues (talk) 14:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

However much they love the series, I'm sure any fan will admit that Eoin Colfer is not so good at keeping the little details consistent. For example, the first book says that Trouble chose his name when he was accepted into the Academy, but the second book says he chose it at his graduation ceremony! ;)

Anyway, regardless of which is more logical, September 1 is the date that he has told people at signings, and the date that appears on promotional material. [1]

Also, about his year of birth: I don't recall this being mentioned anywhere either in the books or in interviews. Where has 1990 come from? Some people have tried to work it out based on when the books were published - he's twelve in the first book, published in 2001, so he'd have been born in 1989... but he's only aged another two years by the start of the fifth book, published in 2006, so clearly that doesn't add up.

Real-world events would suggest that the first book takes place in 2007: there's a full moon on Christmas Eve in the first book, and this only occurred/will occur in 1969, 2007 and 2026. (Even if you allow a day either way, the only additional years this gives you are 1977, 1988, 1996 and 2015.) So that would mean Artemis was born in 1995. But, as I mentioned before, Colfer isn't always hot on stuff like this - so although this is my favourite theory of the ones I've heard, it's still only a theory.

-- KittyRainbow 19:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I for one think it more likely that Colfer would have set his birthday as the first of September. This is going by the fact that he's Irish and therefore more likely to use the British way of saying the date, but it might also be worth noting some of Arty's many attributes. If you bear in mind that Colfer's given him as many qualities (perfect pitch, a talent for typing etc.)it follows that Colfer would make him the eldest in his school year. No one is supposed to be superiour to Artemis in any way, shape or form, so this would make sense. Lowri (talk) 19:55, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

The birthdate is September 1^st. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 22:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

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Physical features

Does anyone know if the fact that Artemis's fourth and index fingers on his left hand have been switched was corrected? I haven't read the fifth book, but I did read the first chapter. If this has not been corrected, I think there should be a mention of it in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.24.200.104 (talk) 02:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

Should there be such a large section on the fifth book?Akid 06:13, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Index and middle fingers, actually. Editus Reloaded 13:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

And something else. He has one blue human eye and one hazel elf one.Zzz sleeping 05:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Section on the books

This should be removed or cleaned up greatly. This page is discussing the character of Artemis Fowl II, not the books. -007bond 23:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I propose that the section on the books be deleted. Either that or made into a way that explains how he has progressed through the books and explain his change in character through them also. Jhfireboy 14:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll 2nd that. If you want to go ahead and clean that up, be my guest. -007bond aka Matthew G aka codingmasters 06:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

ill go aheand and say it should stay the more info there is the better and alot of people help make it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.44.26.239 (talk) 22:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

new section

While I like the new personality section, it needs a bit of a cleanup. For example, Mafia must be changed to Mafiya. -007bond aka Matthew G aka codingmasters 22:35, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Meaning of the birthday?

Though it's not so much the case anymore, isn't 1st September the traditional day (well, here in the UK at least) when you go back to school? Is this a nod to his genius, perhaps? Is it worth mentioning? Ayries 11:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Character Traits Section

Just wondering if it would be worth putting the list of incredibly intelligent deeds (Mozart opera, chess champion etc..) into bullet points? There are also some bad stylistic errors such as the note about designer suits which is probably a bit too personal methinks..? Dan-the-man278 13:16, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that wouldn't be such a bad idea. -007bond aka Matthew G aka codingmasters 22:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it seems the designer suites add to the spoiled-obnoxious-child complex of Artemis. And it wouldn't seem to terrible to make a list both Artemis' and Minerva's accomplishments and respective ages. The obstacle to face is that of ALL of the accomplishments. There are quite a few, not to mention referencing each particular accomplishment from its respectable book. Regardless, a table might be the best way to organize and list the feats. Any comments, let me know, thanks! Ziggaway 01:49, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Physical appearance discrepancy

I'm somewhat new to Wikipedia, but I did notice a major flaw in the description of Artemis Fowl II in his text box. As his mom says in the Artemis Fowl Files, his eyes remind her of Artemis Fowl I's eyes, which all match the massive diamond he stole for her. And all three were the lightest blue, because even regardless of what was written, diamonds can't be dark blue, so they would have to have been light blue, not dark. I would cite the reference, but I haven't as of yet learned how to cite, and I have no copy of the book, it was borrowed. Anyways, please contact me with comments, thanks! Ziggaway 05:13, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Will There Be A Sixth Book

I heard there will be a sixth book. If so will some one tell me? User:dragonfirered94 10:43,29 september 2007 (UTC

Yes, a sixth and final Artemis Fowl book is on the way. Thank-you very-much. --Wack'd ^{Talk to me! • Admire my handiwork!} 20:20, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes there will be. I have taken the liberty of correcting some of your spelling and grammatical errors, I hope you don't mind. I assume they were unintentional. --Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk) 17:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me? Sixth and final? I believe Eoin Colfer has said that it probably isn't the last (and given the ending it would be beyond evil to leave loose ends), but that it would be at least three years before any further ones are released. Fnlfntsyfn (talk) 19:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

The eigth book will be the final one, according to Colfer. But that's what he originally said about TTP, so I don't trust it yet. Carlene M 2 (talk) 21:40, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Gentleman thief

Does anyone else think that Artemis fits the Gentleman thief mold? YØRØZU!萬^Talk —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 20:26, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Yup. --Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk) 17:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, very much so. -Kaelin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.179.121.61 (talk) 00:17, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Artemis Fowl and Hans Gruber

I worry about the paragraph that states that Artemis is like Hans Gruber. It looks suspiciously like vandalism. If it isn't, can someone reword it? I would also like to add that the "Artemis Fowl" mentioned in the last sentence of that paragraph refers to the series, not the person. Calvin 1998 (talk) 03:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

WHo's Hans Gruber? And it might be vandalism. WHo was the one who posted it? BunnyFlying (talk) 04:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not vandalism-I recognize the quote from... somewhere, I dunno where. It probably does need to get rephrased a bit... "immaculate" and "smart" aren't very neutral adjectives. BunnyFlying (talk) 04:14, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

"Feisty", "thickset", and "cruel" aren't neutral adjectives either! And no one disputed that Eoin Colfer said that, even I remember hearing that(or did I hear about it from here?). Calvin 1998 (talk) 04:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Then why do you think it's vandalism? I think it's just some good-intentioned first-time user unaware of the whole neutral POV thing. BunnyFlying (talk) 05:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I checked page history, and it was added as a good faith edit about 125 edits ago. It still needs to be reworded, though. Calvin 1998 (talk) 05:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, fine with me. I'm probably going to be logging off now-see you tomorrow, @ library's fiction cart @ 3:05-ish, but will wait until 3:15 Bunny Flying in the Sky ^Talk _Contribs 06:03, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

It might not be vandalism, but it could well be original research. Yes, Colfer has compared the series to Die Hard, but that does not mean that Artemis is automatically a parallel to Hans Gruber. I think that's a bit of a leap. To support this assertion, we need a quote from a reliable source: either an interview with Colfer where he mentions such a parallel, or someone discussing it in a review or something. If we can't find one, we should take the paragraph out... -- KittyRainbow (talk) 13:22, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

You're right-it's implied, but not mentioned. I think only the first book is similar to Die Hard-after that, it starts branching off. Unidentified Flying Bunny in the Sky ^Talk _Contribs 01:24, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

It's certainly not vandalism. I personally think it's very likely that Hans Gruber was one of the inspirations for the character of Artemis but it would require citations to say so otherwise it violates OR and POV but it's a big stretch to call it vandalism. --Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk) 17:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Location

I really doubt that Holly, Foaly, or Root should be put into the secondary characters section WNx (talk) 13:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Of course not, they all play a central part in the plot...why? Was there a proposal to do so? IceUnshattered (talk) 00:13, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

No but Root should be kind of like a main character and a secondary character. Only because of his death in Artemis Fowl: The Opal Deception. - Kaelin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.95.70.79 (talk) 21:39, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Eye color

Actually, the hazel eye was the iris-cam, which was taken out in the same book, I believe he just has blue eyes. Allmightyduck (talk) 19:12, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

There is information in Artemis Fowl: The Lost Colony that proves otherwise. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 19:20, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

No, Holly and Artemis switched an eye in the time portal. -Kaelin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.179.121.61 (talk) 00:19, 2 April 2009 (UTC)