Talk:Thomas Tull

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Edit Request

Hi, I'm from Prosek. I am requesting some additions and changes to this article.

1. In the Introductory section:
   • Please add "entrepreneur," to the first sentence, between "businessman" and "and film producer."
   • Please add the following right after the first sentence: "He is the founder of Tulco LLC, an investment holding company that uses artificial intelligence and other technologies to guide investing and grow businesses."
2. In the Career section:
   • Please add the following new sub-heading to the first paragraph: Early career
   • Please add the words "the production of" to the following sentence: After discussing the potential of private equity with a film executive in 2003, Tull quit Convex, raising $600 million in equity to finance "the production of" movies under the Legendary Pictures banner.
   • Please split the first paragraph after the above sentence and add a new sub-heading: Legendary Entertainment and a new first sentence: "Tull founded Legendary Entertainment in 2005, becoming the CEO and chairman."
   • Please add the following information right before the sentence that begins, "He also helped produce the film Blackhat": "Legendary was one of the first film production companies to use technology and data analytics to transform the way movies are marketed. Shortly after starting Legendary, Tull built a new analytics division within the company, which used AI to target specific audiences more narrowly – instead of using traditional blanket marketing – to cut movie advertising budgets while increasing movie attendance."
   • Please add the following sub-heading and additional content after the paragraph that begins "Tull describes himself as a 'fanboy'": Tulco - "In 2017 Tull founded Tulco, LLC, a Pittsburgh-based privately held holding company. Tulco looks for companies in large industries that have not benefited to their full potential from technologies such as artificial intelligence, machine learning and predictive data analytics. Among Tulco’s investments are FIGS, a healthcare apparel company; and Acrisure, an insurance broker that acquired Tulco’s AI insurance business in July 2020 for $400 million."
   • Please also add this sub-heading: Other investments - "Tull has also invested in a variety of other AI and data science-driven companies including Luvos, Genies, and Oculus."
3. Please create a new section: Philanthropy and board membership
   • Add this sentence: "Tull founded the Tull Family Foundation, which has supported a number of causes in the youth, health and education spaces including: National Little League, donation of $4.2 million worth of personal protective equipment (PPE) during the coronavirus pandemic; and a grant to the University of Pittsburgh towards brain cancer research."
   • Please change the first sentence of next paragraph to: "Tull is a member of the MIT School of Engineering Dean’s Advisory Council, a member of the board of trustees for Carnegie Mellon University and a member of the Baseball Hall of Fame Board of Directors."
4. In the Personal Life section, please remove this statement that it is one of the largest private residences because it is unsourced: "In January 2018, the Thousand Oaks home was listed for $85 million, and is one of the largest private residences in the world."

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Thank you, EG2021 (talk) 18:17, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

EG2021, thank you for your clear and polite request. I added most of your requests, but I had a few comments/concerns:

• These sentences that you suggested seem to have some POV language, and they seem to stretch the information in the sources a little bit: "Legendary was one of the first film production companies to use technology and data analytics to transform the way movies are marketed. Shortly after starting Legendary, Tull built a new analytics division within the company, which used AI to target specific audiences more narrowly – instead of using traditional blanket marketing – to cut movie advertising budgets while increasing movie attendance." How would you feel about the following version instead? "Legendary was one of the first film production companies to use technology and data analytics to improve the way movies are marketed. Shortly after starting Legendary, Tull built a new analytics division within the company, which uses data to improve marketing and casting decisions, in addition to other key decisions."
• The information about Tulco is great, but the source you provided does not say that it "looks for companies in large industries that have not benefited to their full potential from technologies such as artificial intelligence, machine learning and predictive data analytics." This sentence might be better as "Tulco invests in companies in large industries and provides them with technologies such as artificial intelligence, machine learning and predictive data analytics." Does this sound fine to you? (To be honest, I don't fully understand what it does, because investments and economics and such confuse me somewhat, so I might have misread something in one of the sources.)
• I moved the paragraph about board membership from the Career section to the newly created Philanthropy and board membership section and added his membership of the MIT School of Engineering Dean’s Advisory Council to that paragraph. I hope this meets the intent of your request; if not, please let me know.
• The source that you provided for his "grant to the University of Pittsburgh towards brain cancer research" actually says that the foundation donated to the Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh Foundation towards pediatric research and art therapy programs. I included your sentence in the article with this change; if you have a different source or I missed something, I'd be happy to change it back.
• As per your request, I removed the claim that the Thousand Oaks home was "one of the largest private residences in the world," but added a numerical description of the size that was supported by that source.

Aerin17 (talk) 21:50, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Aerin17, Thank you for making many of the requested changes, explaining clearly when you changed something, and requesting clarification when needed. Your time and effort to implement these updates and changes is greatly appreciated.

1. In response to your message:
   • Thank you for your improvements on any inadvertent POV language. My only request is that you remove "and casting" from the sentence, which is not an accurate description of what the technology was used for.
   • The first part of your proposed sentence about Tulco is great, but would it be possible to tweak the second half, so it is more accurate. I would like to suggest the following: Tulco invests in companies in large industries and helps its portfolio companies apply technology such as artificial intelligence, machine learning and predictive data analytics.
   • Thank you for moving the board membership paragraph from Career to the new Philanthropy section. Tull is no longer on the board of the San Diego Zoo, or of the American Film Institute, so please delete these. The first sentence of the Philanthropy section should read: "Tull is a member of MIT School of Engineering Dean’s Advisory Council, Carnegie Mellon University, and a Member of the Baseball Hall of Fame Board of Directors.
   • The statement about the donation to the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine was accompanied by an incorrect source. The original request for the following phrase at the end of the sentence should read: "…and a grant to the University of Pittsburgh towards brain cancer research." Based on the following source, and not the source I originally included.
2. There are a few other small changes we would like to incorporate into the recent additions:
   • Please add the following sentence with supporting sources to the end of the paragraph in the "Tulco" section: "Among Tulco’s investments are FIGS, a healthcare apparel company; and Acrisure, an insurance broker that acquired a majority stake in Tulco’s insurance practice in July 2020 for $400 million."
   • Please add "Zoox" to the list of investments in the "Other investments" section. This is the source:

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Once again, I appreciate all your help. EG2021 (talk) 19:20, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

EG2021, thank you again for your clear request. I added most of your requested changes. A few comments:

• Do you have a source for him no longer being on the board of the San Diego Zoo or the American Film Institute?
• I added the information about the brain cancer grant, but I saw no reason to remove the additional information about the donation to the children's hospital. Please let me know if you have a problem with this.
• The sentence you asked to be added regarding Tulco was included in your previous request, which I've now added to the article, with the slight difference of whether Acrisure "acquired" Tulco's insurance practice or "acquired a majority share" in the practice. The sources seem to suggest that it's the former, so that's what I added; let me know if there's a particular reason for the other version.

Aerin17 (talk) 03:59, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Aerin17 for all your help with my many edit requests. Regarding Tull's board memberships, if you look at the Board of Trustees page on the San Diego Zoo website, you can see Tull's name no longer appears. And just one more thing: Can you please remove Tull's wife's name from the "Personal life" section. This is a matter of privacy, and furthermore the inclusion of the name doesn't contribute to a reader's complete understanding of the subject, per WP:BLPNAME. Thanks again for all your help. EG2021 (talk) 19:16, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

@EG2021: Done! Thank you again for your clear requests; it was a pleasure working with you. Aerin17 (talk) 19:33, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Additional Edit Requests

Hi Aerin17, I have some new updates and changes I would like to make to the article. Once again thanks for all your help.

1. In the Introductory section, please remove the following (we would like to add it to the Legendary Entertainment section after the last paragraph): "including The Dark Night Trilogy, Inception, The Hangover, and its sequels, 300, Man of Steel and others."
2. Please change the section heading from Early Life to Early life and education.
3. In the Early career section, please add the following sentence and sources directly after the words "buying and selling several tax accounting offices." "In 2001, Tull left Interactive Technology Funds to join The Convex Group."
4. In the Legendary Entertainment section:
   • Please add the following new paragraph after the end of the first paragraph, which ends with "which uses data to improve marketing decisions, in addition to other key decisions.": "In January 2016, Legendary was acquired by the Wanda Cultural Industry Group for $3.5 billion, with Tull retaining a 20% stake. One year later, in January 2017, Tull left the company."
   • Please delete the following sentence, since there is no source: "Tull actively volunteered in the After School All Stars, a charity led by Arnold Schwarzenegger, which some credit for further fueling his interest in the entertainment business."
   • Please replace the last paragraph with the following paragraph, which includes the statement removed from the Introductory section (The original sources have been retained and placed at the end): "Several of Legendary's films are based on comic books Tull has personally enjoyed reading, including Watchmen, 300, and Dark Knight. Tull's passion for comic books helped him see the potential success of turning graphic novel 300, which had been turned down by other studios, into a successful film. His enjoyment of video games also motivated him to found a video game company Brash Entertainment to turn video games into films. Other major films include Inception, The Hangover and its sequels, Man of Steel, and others."
5. In the Philanthropy and board membership section:
   • Please move the last few sentences to the beginning of the section. The statement to move is the following, including the original sources: "He founded the Tull Family Foundation, which has supported a number of causes in the youth, health, and education spaces including the National Little League, a donation of $4.2 million worth of personal protective equipment (PPE) during the coronavirus pandemic, a donation to the Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh Foundation towards pediatric research and art therapy programs, and a grant to the University of Pittsburgh towards brain cancer research."
6. In the Personal life section:
   • Please adjust the text about the Pittsburgh Steelers to read as follows and move it from the Philanthropy and board membership section to the end of this section: "Tull had been a fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers since age four and in 2009, became a part-owner of the team."
   • Please add the following sentence: "Tull is a founder and member of the American rock and southern soul band Ghost Hounds, in which he plays guitar."

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Thanks so much for all your help. EG2021 (talk) 12:38, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you once again for your clear requests! I've implemented most of these changes. A few notes:

• I added a brief description of the Convex Group to your proposed sentence when I put it in. Let me know if this description is inaccurate, as the sources I was looking at said various things and, as I may have mentioned before, this is not my area of expertise.
• I moved the list of highlight films from the lead section to the Legendary Entertainment section. However, I didn't change the last paragraph as you requested, because I think it's fine as it is and your version seems a bit POV. (Specifically, I think "short-lived" is an apt description of Brash Entertainment, and removing it serves mostly to portray Tull more positively.) I'm not opposed to changing this paragraph in general, however, if you have a specific reason for the change.
• I also didn't move the sentence about the Tull Family Foundation, as I'm not sure why it would fit any better at the beginning of the section than the end.

Aerin17 (talk) 01:09, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much Aerin17 for your great editing engagement. It is really a pleasure working with you. I would like to answer your comments and questions below:

• Yes, your description of Convex is accurate. Again, thanks.
• I understand your hesitation to move the sentence about the Tull Family Foundation, but I believe there is a simple reason to move the discussion of the philanthropy activity above the board membership activity; since the philanthropy is more important, and Tull is more active in this realm, it seems logical that the discussion of philanthropy, his Foundation and donations, should come before his participation on boards. When structuring an article, there is a principle to try whenever possible to list the most important things first. In addition, since Wikipedia articles are often constructed haphazardly, with many editors adding content at different times that have different levels of importance, sometimes illogical structures develop. I am just asking to correct one of those illogical structures that crept into the article. Thanks for asking for clarification and your willingness to listen to my explanation.
• This is a new edit request: Can you please add that Tull is on the board of Yellowstone Forever, right after "the board of trustees of Carnegie Mellon University," with the following source: Yellowstone Forever, The entire sentence should now read: "Tull is a member of MIT School of Engineering Dean's Advisory Council, the board of trustees of Carnegie Mellon University, Yellowstone Forever, and the Baseball Hall of Fame Board of Directors."
• In the "Legendary Entertainment" section, can you please change "...and founded the short-lived Brash Entertainment" to "...co-founded Brash Entertainment..." Here are some sources that support that he was a co-founder of Brash (https://variety.com/2008/scene/markets-festivals/thomas-tull-resigns-brash-board-1117993854/; https://www.topionetworks.com/people/thomas-tull-530dc4fe0888ed0453000a01; https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/112063/Report_Brash_Entertainment_To_Close.php); and "short-lived" is a subjective description that has a negative connotation. The company was in operation for one year, whether that is "short-lived" or not is a matter of one's viewpoint and not objective reality.

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I really appreciate all the work you have done and are doing to make this a great article. EG2021 (talk) 20:05, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

EG2021,

• I added the statement about Yellowstone Forever.
• One could argue that his board membership (what he does) is more important than his philanthropy (how he spends a small fraction of his money)... but as I have no particularly strong feelings one way or the other, and I understand your reasoning, I moved the section anyway. I did move the sentence about Priorities USA Action with the piece about the foundation, which you left out of your original request, since it makes much more sense to keep the two together.
• I added the note that he co-founded Brash Entertainment. However, I continue to think that "short-lived" is an apt description of Brash, from what I've read of it. It lasted only a year and seems to have been an overwhelming flop. This is similar to other uses of "short-lived" on Wikipedia.

Aerin17 (talk) 01:17, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Thomas Tull - Teton Ridge

I apologize for my ignorance of the ways of Wikipedia - I have not contributed before today. Would it be possible to confirm if Thomas Tull of Legendary is the same Thomas Tull of the newly formed Teton Ridge? He continues to donate to other funds, foundations, and organizations via Teton Ridge. If they are not the same person, would it be possible to create another Wikipedia page for Thomas with Teton Ridge? Thank you for your consideration.

Texxxas7 (talk) 13:51, 12 October 2021 (UTC)Texxxas7

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"Started a chain of laundromats"

I find the article a little hard to believe. It says that out of college, he abandoned plans to become a lawyer and "started a chain of laundromats". How does one do that? Out of college with no money? Laundromats require money. Something is missing here. Where did the money come from? Those machines cost a LOT of money - they are industrial grade machines.

I also find the idea/assertion that he bought and sold accounting/tax offices to be absurd. Supposedly, he not only did it, he made a ton of money doing it. Really? Really???

Anybody have any input/sources for the above??? It all just sounds incredible (unbelieveable) to me. Thanks in advance.

Update Philanthropy and Board Membership Section

Hello. Please add the following two sentences to the Philanthropy and board membership section:

• Directly after the first sentence which begins with "Tull has donated..." and ends with "Hillary Clinton." Please add:

He has also donated to Republican candidates and causes, including Lisa Murkowski, Ben Sasse, Kevin McCarthy, and the Stand for America PAC.”

• Please add the following sentence to the end of the same section:

Tull was appointed a visiting scholar of innovation at the MIT School of Engineering beginning April 1, 2022.

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I am pinging Aerin17 who has helped with edits on this page in the past. Thanks so much. MB217 (talk) 12:39, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi MB217, I have completed the second of your requests. The first one, however, qualifies as original research, which is not permitted on Wikipedia. In particular, the policy says that "Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation." If you'd like the article to mention Tull's donations to Republican candidates, please find a secondary source such as a news article, rather than citing the FEC data directly. Thank you (and your coworkers), as always, for your polite and clear edit request! Aerin17 (t • c) 18:20, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Hello Aerin17. As per your instructions, I found better sources for bullet point #1. I needed to re-write the sentence since the new sources support a bit different language. Please add this new sentence based on the new sources to the "Philanthropy and board membership" section, directly after the first sentence that begins with "Tull has donated..." and ends with "Hillary Clinton."

Tull also supported Republican lawmakers such as Lisa Murkowski, and a super PAC for Senate Republicans, namely the Senate Leadership Fund.

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Thanks again for all your help. MB217 (talk) 13:07, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi MB217, sorry for the delay, I meant to respond last week! The first of those sources still feels like a bit of a stretch to me. It's about Thomas Kempner's donations, not Tull's, and again he is just one item on a list of 100 people. The second source is good, though. Does this sentence work as an alternative?

Tull also supported Republican causes, such as the Senate Leadership Fund, a super PAC for Senate Republicans.

Aerin17 (t • c) 15:40, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Aerin17 Yes, please implement your sentence; it works well as an alternative. Thanks again for all your help MB217 (talk) 14:45, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Done! Aerin17 (t • c) 16:03, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

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