Wikipedia:Image sleuthing

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What is image sleuthing?

The following Wikipedians have signed up to be image sleuths.

There are many thousands of images on Wikipedia. Most are tagged so that we know where they come from and how they are licensed, but some are mysteries, tagged {{unverified}} or {{unknown}} or not tagged at all, with no obvious way to tell whether we can legally use them or not. Eventually, if we can't find out the source and copyright status of an image, we'll have to delete it. But some of these images are useful or attractive, and are begging to be rescued. That's where the image sleuths come in. The sleuths use any methods they have – from Google Image Search to uploader e-mails to secret informants met at midnight – to discover the source and copyright status of an image.

So how does this work?

Below, you will see up to 15 images with comments to the left of each. Sleuths set to work tracking down the origin, copyright and licence terms associated with each image. If there's general agreement that an image is acceptable – available under free licences, in the public domain, or legitimately a fair use – then you can move all discussion to the image's description page and remove the image from the list below. If the image can't be certified acceptable even after a week of searching, then image should be moved into the deletion process. (Sleuths often try to find suitable free or public domain replacements.)

If an image has been listed for over a week, or if the status of the image has been determined beyond reasonable doubt, then anyone can remove the image from the list and either tag it or list it on ifd. If there are fewer than 15 images below, anyone can add a new one. Some good place to look are Wikipedia:Untagged images and Category:Images with unknown source.

If you do move an image to the deletion process, please always contact the uploader of each image, on their talk page: do not make the assumption that they are not contactable. More generally, contacting users does sometimes elicit the information and so is considered a good thing.

The assignments

Image:Jiang Qing.jpg

File:Jiang Qing.jpg

Listed on March 29

Used in Jiang Qing
- [1] -- differently cut version of same here.
- [2] the image link is dead, but here is the same image. Burgundavia 02:57, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)
- Historical photograph, of fair size, with the above as possible sources I think we this can count as fair use.Zeimusu | (Talk page) 08:15, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:Jigme1.jpg

File:Jigme1.jpg

Listed on March 31

Used in Jigme Singye Wangchuk
Probably not the source but found here (and I can't find the image on the page) and also here. The second one may be the source but I can't find (c) status and I doubt the page creator has anything to do with it. Nrbelex ^(talk) 00:24, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- A thumbnail of the same photo can be found at [3]. I am also not sure about the copyright status of this one. Zscout370 18:53, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:Judicium.jpg

File:Judicium.jpg

Listed on April 1

Used in Christian eschatology, Last Judgement, End times, and Conques.
I'd say it's cropped from this. Copyvio unless fair use Nrbelex ^(talk) 00:14, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I am going to have to agree with you there Nrbelex, it looked the image was cropped in my view. Zscout370 19:06, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Let's replace the eschatological uses of this image with (say) Michelangelo's last judgement from the sistine chapel (theres plenty of them to be found) Zeimusu | (Talk page) 14:33, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I like that idea! Although we'd still have to find a replacement for the Conques use. --MaxPower 13:19, 2005 Apr 8 (UTC)

Image:Karelija Pegrema.jpg

File:Karelija Pegrema.jpg

Listed on April 1

Used in Pegrema
Same building here but not the same pic. Is that a (c) tag on the bottom of the page? Nrbelex ^(talk) 00:17, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:Abbé Pierre.gif

File:Abbé Pierre.gif

Listed on April 4

Used in Abbé Pierre

From what I have searched on Google and Google France [4], I could not find this image. Zscout370 17:42, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:Ac.athens44.jpg

File:Ac.athens44.jpg

Listed on April 4

Used in History of Athens
No source found after a brief search. Even if none can be found, I'm happy with fuus for this (historical image, fair size) Zeimusu | (Talk page) 14:10, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ditto after I did a more exhaustive search. Nrbelex ^(talk) 03:31, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Smaller versions here and here. Maybe scanned from the book the second extlk refers to? Isn't that a Moiré pattern in the upper left corner, in the smoke? Lupo 14:38, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:Aanekosken bussionnettomuus.jpg

File:Aanekosken bussionnettomuus.jpg

Listed on April 4

Used in Äänekoski bus disaster
- This image is used in Finnish Wikipedia [5] Zscout370 18:38, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- The terms and conditions of this site say that all pictures uploaded to their site must be copyright free. While we can't be sure this rule was abided by, do you think it's OK to use their image as a replacement? Nrbelex ^(talk) 02:11, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  - I personally do not know, since A, the first hit I got on Google was to the Finnish site, B, I cannot read Finnish, C, I think it should be at the commons, since two Wikipedia's have it now (en and fi), then I think other Wikipedias might have it too. Zscout370 02:16, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  - Commons do not allow images who are not GFDL or PD. Thuresson 00:39, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  - I found another photo at [6]. I am still not sure about the copyright of this photo. Boy, I must be blind. Zscout370 00:46, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    - "Kuva: Esko Siekkinen" is Finnish for the photographer's name. Helsinkin Sanomat is one of Finland's daily's - this image could perhaps be used under "fair use". Thuresson 01:14, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I replaced the image with the picture mentioned above and listed this at IFD. Thuresson 01:37, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:Aaron.Rogers.jpg

File:Aaron.Rogers.jpg

Listed on April 4

Used in Aaron Rodgers
Smaller version here. Cropped version here. ~~Tiny version here~~. All unable to be original but strengthen a fair use claim. Nrbelex ^(talk) 02:17, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I would suggest trying to get a photo from the UCLA Atheletics Website, since they will have a few of him. Though I do not know the (c) status of the photos, at least we can give that source a fair shot. Zscout370 02:22, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Karpov and Kasparov

Image:KasparovKarpov.jpg

File:KasparovKarpov.jpg

Listed on April 4

Used in Garry Kasparov and World Chess Championship
It's used here, but the page is in french. -- elykyllek 22:47, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

Image:Karkas1.jpg

File:Karkas1.jpg

Listed on April 4

Used in Anatoly Karpov
Possible source here -- elykyllek 22:54, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
Merging these discussions. We only need one of these, Which do you favour? can we make a fair use claim for one of these?Zeimusu | (Talk page) 08:20, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:Kentucky.jpg

File:Kentucky.jpg

Listed on April 4

Used in Electric chair
- Animated GIF image at [[7]], still images at [8] and [9]. The prison is the Kentucky State Pen. Other than the lighting is different, the photo is pretty much the same. I do not see a copyright anywhere, unless one is just not posted. Zscout370 00:22, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
All of the uploader's images are in question including the Arizona chair and an Auschwitz picture. No response to any requests for help. Nrbelex ^(talk) 02:30, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:AL-OBSX.jpg

File:AL-OBSX.jpg

Listed on April 5

Used in Ascariasis
CDC has some replacements [10] That is .gov so may well be PD (though I can't see an actual copyright statement anywhere)
- (CDC materials are, in fact, PD.) – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} 11:31, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
  - It would be a shame to lose this image - although I will grab some of the CDC images, a small intestine full of worms isn't available at CDC. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Image:AdamsMotor.gif

File:AdamsMotor.gif

Listed on April 6

Used in Adams motor
Possible source here. -- elykyllek 19:34, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
Patent application has some images [11]Zeimusu | (Talk page) 01:37, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm assuming patent apps. are public domain...? If so, just use the camera (copy) tool since it's a PDF? Nrbelex ^(talk) 03:36, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:Butantan-institute.jpg

File:Butantan-institute.jpg

Listed on April 8

Appears in Instituto Butantan.
Anyone know Brazilian government (c) status? Found here. A good addition (if needed & also Br gov) is found on the bottom right (but the left picture) here. Nrbelex ^(talk) 03:42, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The uploader has claimed previously that Brazillian government material is PD, but I have never seen anything to back that up. The Brazillian constitution doesn't say anything, and I've yet to find statute law which distguishes goverment works.Zeimusu | (Talk page) 14:06, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Neither have I (seen anything that'd back up these PD claims, that is). The Brazilian copyright law (Lei 9.610) is silent on the issue of government publications. You might also want to check the user's talk page... Lupo 14:25, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:Ac.simeon.jpg

File:Ac.simeon.jpg

Listed on April 9

Appears in Simeon I of Bulgaria, History of Bulgaria and elsewhere.
- Adam Carr image - Adam is believed not to be cooperating with image tagging.
- A similar image can be located at [12] and [13]. Other than the choice of colors used, I pretty much cannot tell the difference. Zscout370 02:55, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  - That almost identical looking image may come from Rulers of Bulgaria from 1995 by Bulgarian historian Milcho Lalkov [14]. "Illustrations by Tekla Alexieva, Buyan Filchev and Hristo Hadjitanev". Similar drawings of Bulgarian rulers found through Google [15]. Thuresson 06:08, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:Actgal2959.jpg

File:Actgal2959.jpg

Listed on April 9

Yay Bollywood, I presume. Used in Shahrukh Khan
- Uploader has been contacted on talk page.
- Most likely this image is a crop from here [16]. The movie this was taken from is called Veer Zaara. Zscout370 02:58, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  - Note you can also do a Google search under his nickname, SRK, and find his photos. That is how I found this image. Zscout370 02:59, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- That's it. We need to give a link to the movie company site, and credit the producer/director of the movie, but that done I think we can make a fair use claim.

Image:Forgard2.jpeg

Listed on April 11

Used on Forest gardening.

A google image search found [17], but the site's down. —Korath (Talk) 05:09, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)