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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Danny (talk | contribs) at 12:24, 25 July 2002 (Whoa, Ed!). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Is it the longest running animated programme? how long before it becomes the longest running sitcom or tv show overall?

Concerning Mr. Burns: His mansion is located at the corner of Croesus and Mannon streets. Isn't that MaMMon? I don't want to change if I'm not sure. -- Zoe

I'm planning to promote all the Simpsons article from "subpages" to main articles, as I did with the Middle-earth articles. Any objections? Speak now, before I spill coffee on the nuclear reactor controls... Ed Poor

I object - I don't think they even deserve sub-pages, forget about main articles. Graft 08:23 Jul 25, 2002 (PDT)

This is more of a rant than an objection. If someone two hundred years from now were to judge society through Wikipedia, they would conclude that the most prominent cultural creations of the past 150 years were Tolkien, Heinlein, and the Simpsons. Dickens doesnt rank half as high as them in terms of what is written about him and his work, though he was more prolific and certainly more influential. Why are there more references to Homer Simpson than to Homer the Greek? (And I don't just mean dead white males either: Achebe, Joan Baez, etc. are all in pitiful states.) There is more about Bart Simpson than there is about most presidents. Is Wikipedia an account of the human experience or is it a survey of pop culture c. 2000 AD?

I will probably get flamed for this. I can deal with it. I guess it also means that there is a lot of work left for me to do.Danny

I hate to throw cold water on your proposed flame fest, but actually that was a keen observation. Pop culture does seem to dominate the Recent Changes this week. --Ed Poor

This week, last week, the week before, etc. I am with Graft on this. Take it as an "object." Danny
Definately agree with both Danny and Graft here... I mean is the main content of Wikipedia aimed at beig a representation of our current culture or of the history of our culture (which I'm afraid spans a little more than the last decade or century for that matter... Human history has outlived civilisations, never mind countries or the physical (buildings and the like). Social humans have been around writing their history for thousands of years, never mind before that... and here we are with some of best editted articles being about a cartoon series (granted quite a good one). -- *<:@)
Incidentally the imediate family Simpsons (Homer, Marge, Bart, Lisa and Maggie) have twice as many search hits as Johann Gutenburg (inventor of movable type) - ie references to said people...
  • (Homer or Marge or Bart or Lisa or Maggie) and Simpson vs.
  • Johann Gutenberg
Which do you reckon contributed more to society? -- *<:@)
Even Homer Simpson on his own has more references... *sigh* -- *<:@)

Subpages discussion

Couldn't these pages (characters in a tv show in general) be moved to a subsection of thier respective shows? For example, "The Simpsons/Marge Simpson"? This may be bad advise...I'm new and haven't got my bearings yet as far as article organization. Rlee0001 09:27 Jul 25, 2002 (PDT)

We used to have subpages (with the "/" character), but the latest thing is:

  • Marge Simpson -- if nobody real has that name
  • Marge (The Simpsons) -- for the character if there's a name conflict.

By the way, welcome to Wikipedia! --Ed Poor

I totally agree with Rlee. These new articles are getting ridiculous. Every frigging character on the Simpsons does not deserve an article!!! So far, Ed, you also asked if there were objections, and already got two. Danny

Good point, Danny. Perhaps we could consolidate 15 or 20 of the minor characters into a single article. A side-effect of promoting the sub-articles is that we can readily see how trivial some of them are. I'm going to stop promoting the various Simpsons/Tina Trivial articles for now. --Ed Poor

I'm leaning more toward Ed here. The Wikipedia article namespace should be a single flat namespace, with no inherent "structure" implied by the names, so the slashes have to go. It is a matter of taste, though, whether to make many small articles or to collect several topics into one. Clearly, "Homer Simpson" is as important to American culture as Huck Finn or James Bond, and may have lots of references outside just the series, so he gets an article to himself (and probably Bart as well). But as for the collection of minor ones, I imagine a single "Characters from The Simpsons" article will do just fine; all the old slash articles can point to that one--there's no harm in having a specific title redirect to a more general article that includes its subject. --LDC

That sounds reasonable to me. Danny
Agree. Ktsquare
Also agree! Thanks guys. Rlee0001 11:21 Jul 25, 2002 (PDT)
All power to you, objection fifthed -- *<:@)

Unless otherwise directed, I'm going to continue as before, getting rid of the "slashed" subpages and promoting each article to, for example, Krusty the Clown and Lenny (The Simpsons). I'm primarily interested in moving away from the obsolete subpage system.

If anyone would like to consolidate some minor characters, especially those whose page consists of only, say, 3 lines or less -- please go ahead. I will adjust the REDIRECTs accordingly. --Ed Poor

Hold on, Ed! So far everyone has voted against all these new pages. Why keep making them? There are no directives from above in Wikipedia. It seems like most people so far agree that all characters except for Homer and possibly Bart can be put on a single page. Danny
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