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Why was the squirrel "seized" in the first place?

135.180.49.239 (talk) 04:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple anonymous complaints Regioncalifornia (talk) 05:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Someone probably had it out for him personally. Dogman15 (talk) 06:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was no permit for the animal, and it was never given a rabies shot. Stick34 (talk) 21:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion

this page shouldn't be deleted. 64.229.210.77 (talk) 17:05, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you believe that, please go and participate in the discussion linked at the top of the article page. Your argument should make reference to Wikipedia policy and apply it correctly in context. Thank you. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
why do you want it deleted? Gahex220 (talk) 19:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This question is extensively discussed on the deletion discussion page [1], and that, rather than this, is the appropriate venue for such a dicussion. Please go there to have it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do administrators need to be involved? 2600:4809:B932:B901:157C:5ED5:82C6:7BAF (talk) 21:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Administrators will not be involved unless there's a serious problem or the process fails to run its course in the usual way. Until and unless that happens, the thing to do is to participate in the discussion, at the link I have provided, in the way I have described. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This page shouldn't be deleted, it has to be deleted. Encylopedias are not the battlegroud for cultural warfare. 193.166.253.150 (talk) 18:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Euthanasia"

Various sources repeat the government line that the killing was "euthanasia". We should not repeat this, as per MOS:EUPHEMISM. The killing was not euthanasia, the squirrel was not sick. "Killed" is neutral, encyclopedic language. cagliost (talk) 20:56, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The killing was euthanasia, though? That's the standard way these agencies put down animals. Using "killing" doesn't specify the manner of death specified in the sources. We're not using the phrase "put down", which would be an unfair euphemism. Euthanasia in this context is equivalent to Execution in that it's clear the subject died, while specifying the manner of death in one word. Departure– (talk) 21:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a style issue. Even when sources use euphemisms, we do not. Please consult a dictionary on what euthanasia means. For example, Wikiquote says either (1) "The practice of intentionally killing... for humane reasons, especially in order to end suffering" or (2) "(euphemistic...) The practice of killing a human being who is considered a liability to society".
Clearly neither apply. The second definition is always euphemistic. The first definition would be euphemistic in this case, because the animal was not sick. "Euthanised" might be the standard way these agencies describe their killing of animals, but if the animal is not sick, it is a euphemism. cagliost (talk) 21:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Euthanasia is an acceptable term here, I'd think. It's in the same vein as execution. See below example:

John Doe was captured by authorities and killed on 12 November 1912

is not preferable to

John Doe was captured by authorities and executed on 12 November 1912

for these reasons. Alternatively, "killed via Euthanasia" would also work, but not specifying the cause of death when all the reliable sources agree the animal was euthanized likely isn't the move, regardless of whether it's a euphemism or not. Departure– (talk) 21:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Euthanasia is not a "cause of death". cagliost (talk) 21:13, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"killed via Euthanasia" -- is English your first language? cagliost (talk) 21:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dictionary.com has many examples of "die by euthanasia" and it's variants. Leaving the fact that the death was via euthanasia out of the article ignores important context that is confirmed by sources. Departure– (talk) 21:17, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What context does "euthanasia" add to the article? It adds an implication that the animal was sick, which is false. cagliost (talk) 21:17, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Killed" is implied by "euthanized" which is the manner of death reported, regardless of whether or not the animal was sick. I've wikilinked to the article on Euthanasia to clear it up for readers unfamiliar with the term. Departure– (talk) 21:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No consensus for this. It seems GenevieveDEon (talk · contribs) agrees with me. cagliost (talk) 21:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Oxford Dictionary says euthanasia is "the painless killing of a patient suffering from an incurable and painful disease or in an irreversible coma." The University of Missouri School of Medicine defines it as "the practice of ending the life of a patient to limit the patient's suffering." To maintain factual accuracy, "euthanized" and other tenses/participles of the word should be replaced with a variation of the word "kill". Peanut was not suffering from anything, the reason for him being killed was because he bit someone. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 21:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Oxford dictionary entry on euthanasia hasn't been updated since the 19th century, it doesn't concern animal euthanasia which is what the topic is here.
Here are some excerpts from veterinary sources: 'Euthanasia is the act of humanely causing the death of an animal. To be considered euthanasia rather than just the termination of a life, the act must minimize any pain, distress, or anxiety experienced by the animal prior to its death.'[1]
'An especially vexing industry problem is that of euthanatizing the well, but uneconomic, farm animal.'[2]
'Euthanasia derives from the Greek roots of “a good death” and in human semantics is restricted to circumstances of mercy killing, in which death is viewed as a respite from inevitable suffering that cannot be alleviated by reasonable means'[3]
'[Euthanasia] is usually used to describe ending the life of an individual animal in a way that minimizes or eliminates pain and distress. A good death is tantamount to the humane termination of an animal’s life.[4]
'The reasons for performing euthanasia in cattle include: acutely injured animals; unfeasible treatment options; national or regional disease control measures; and neonates in cases of unresolved dystocia requiring fetotomy.'[5]
'Examples of conditions which would justify euthanasia include the following: ... Rabies-suspect animals—where there is a significant threat to human health'[6]
Clearly the term is applicable here and is used by a variety of RS, excluding the term based on outdated dictionary entries is absurd. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the history of the United States, there is no record of any human contracting rabies from a squirrel. The reason is obvious. If a rabid animal were to bite a squirrel, the squirrel would not likely live. Think about the animals that would bite a squirrel. So, the squirrel was KILLED for no legitimate reason other than the abuse of bureaucratic power. 2600:1015:B04F:AFDF:0:1F:24F:3301 (talk) 18:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Plus, the squirrel showed no signs of rabies that we know of; biting someone was most likely due to feeling threatened. Even if some definitions do not specifically need the subject to be ill, some do, and just to be accurate and respect all of the definitions, the best word to use would be "kill" as that's implied by euthanasia. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 19:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kill implies a weapon was used such a gun and is more emotional. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's ridiculous, "killed" does not imply a weapon was used, and is not emotional. cagliost (talk) 23:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are documented cases of squirrels with rabies and it does not matter what your opinion on the actions were. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DC Health: "squirrels are almost never found to have rabies. No person in the US has ever gotten rabies from a squirrel." Anyway, this is beside the point. cagliost (talk) 23:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only abuse here is making a squirrel become a cash-making mascot for some OnlyFans content. The only weird thing here is interner-warriors defending the abuse of wild animals. That squirrel deserved better. 193.166.253.150 (talk) 21:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was sick. A wild animal that cannot live it's life like it's supposed to and became some sort of cahs-making mascot for an OnlyFans accout. Even I would like to be EUTHANIZED in that situation, to let me out of my misery. 193.166.253.150 (talk) 21:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Euthanasia does not imply the squirrel was sick. In veterinary medicine, it refers to a method of killing. Healthy animals are sometimes euthanised in shelters for reasons of space. It's still called euthanasia. https://www.msdvetmanual.com/management-and-nutrition/euthanasia/euthanasia-of-animals
Typically in most veterinary contexts it would consist an injection of Euthasol. Mvolz (talk) 20:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with this, "euthanised" is simply the correct term. An alternative which is used in the veterinary field and in literature would be "humanely destroyed"; either of these terms are more accurate and less emotionally charged than "killed". CoconutOctopus talk 20:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a scandal, that zoo animals were euthanized to avoid inbreeding. Grimes2 (talk) 20:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Woodbury, Murray (2014-07-25), Euthanasia, Wiley, p. 149–153, doi:10.1002/9781118792919.ch10, ISBN 978-0-8138-1183-3
  2. ^ Meyer, Robert E.; Morrow, W. E. Morgan (2004-01-07), Euthanasia, Wiley, p. 351–362, doi:10.1002/9780470344859.ch17, ISBN 978-0-8138-0473-6
  3. ^ Kipperman, Barry; Cooney, Kathleen (2023-12-08), Euthanasia, Wiley, p. 53–65, doi:10.1002/9781119986355.ch6, ISBN 978-1-119-98634-8
  4. ^ https://www.avma.org/sites/default/files/2020-02/Guidelines-on-Euthanasia-2020.pdf
  5. ^ Mueller, Karin (2015-04-24), Euthanasia of Cattle, Wiley, p. 262–270, doi:10.1002/9781118948538.ch26, ISBN 978-1-4443-3643-6
  6. ^ Shearer, Jan K.; Reynolds, Jim P. (2011-08-30), Euthanasia Techniques for Dairy Cattle, Wiley, p. 331–339, doi:10.1002/9780470960554.ch25, ISBN 978-0-8138-1539-8
I don't want to get drawn into the "killed/executed" analogy, I don't think it's relevant. Suffice to say, for a human, "executed" might be appropriate depending on the circumstances, but if there were disagreement about those circumstances, "killed" would be neutral. cagliost (talk) 21:17, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please read the article Animal euthanasia. Rabies is one of the reasons for this procedure. Grimes2 (talk) 21:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No sources that the animal had rabies (it did not, rabies in squirrels is very rare). The authorities implausibly claim the killing was necessary to test for rabies. cagliost (talk) 21:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mere suspicion is enough for euthanasia. That are the laws. Grimes2 (talk) 21:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But still, there was no proof regardless of the opinion of the people who carried out the killing of the squirrel. And, as stated before, "euthanasia" is not the proper word here. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 21:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Euthanasia is mandatory, slaughtering is forbidden. Grimes2 (talk) 21:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What on earth are you talking about? GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
About animal protection laws. Grimes2 (talk) 21:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter if you think that the death of the squirrel was "euthanasia" or "slaughtering" (both of which are incorrect by definition, slaughtering is "to kill animals for food" or "to kill great numbers of human beings" which did not happen whatsoever). UserMemer (chat) Tribs 21:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article reports that having rabies is cause for euthanasia, as it's an invariably terminal condition. Peanut was allegedly killed in order to test for rabies, which isn't a thing; there are non-destructive tests for it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A quick search turns up that the way to test for rabies in animals is a direct fluorescent antibody (DFA) test. Which requires the animal to be dead. Suspicion is enough, given that peanut had allegedly bit someone, better safe than sorry. Fantailedtomb (talk) 22:18, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This debate isn't about rabies prevention or animal protection laws, though. It's about the ordinary meaning of the word 'euthanasia', and how it obviously doesn't apply here. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See my comment above where I referenced veterinary sources, which not only show that the term is not exclusive to a sick animal- but also that deaths for the purpose of suspected rabies or as part of disease control measures are considered euthanasia. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll reply here rather than get into an edit war, but please revert your last change. There's a clear consensus here to the contrary. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That consensus came about before appropriate sourcing had been provided. I've provided clear evidence that the term is applicable here and references use this term, unless you dispute those facts there is no policy based argument for removal. Euthanasia is not being used here as a preferable term to 'killed': it is being used to describe the method of death presumably. They wouldn't use the term if the squirrel was shot or decapitated for example. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a method, though. There isn't a bottle of Euthanasia that they use. It's a characterisation (arguably a false one) of the motive. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Euthanasia is a method that involves minimal pain and suffering.
'[Euthanasia] is usually used to describe ending the life of an individual animal in a way that minimizes or eliminates pain and distress. A good death is tantamount to the humane termination of an animal’s life.'
It does not relate to the motive here. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The minimisation of pain and distress is a motive. It's the reason for the killing, and the reason for choosing one method over another. It's not a method. Intravenous barbiturates is a method. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:39, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RS all use the term. To ignore their use of the term based on a specious argument goes beyond the level of acceptable editorialising. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are right, but the majority here rules, ignoring facts. Grimes2 (talk) 09:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But the animal did not have rabies. I don’t understand the insistence on using a term that simply does not apply and has been demonstrated repeatedly so. SamWecer (talk) 21:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think I understand the root of the problem, and have identified a few other subarguments.
a.) The animal did not have rabies, and therefore "euthanasia" is an unfair term to use.
b.) The animal did not have rabies, however euthanasia is still applicable to their death.
I'm firmly with position b in this instance. My position is that the animal was euthanized despite not having rabies. To avoid further content disputes, can I get the participants of this discussion to !vote on their positions here? (not sure if this is the proper procedure, but I'm just trying to get my facts straight).
Alternatively, c.) which can be any other argument besides a.) or b.). Departure– (talk) 21:47, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a question of being fair, it's about being accurate. The word 'euthanasia' has a specific and limited application: it is the intentional killing of a person or creature who would otherwise die of an incurable condition, so that they do not instead die of that condition. Killing a creature at random, and then declaring afterwards that it had such a condition and it was therefore euthanised, would not follow. But that's not even what happened here. They claim to have killed Peanut in order to test for rabies - a condition almost unknown in American rodents - and found that he didn't have it. That's just nowhere even close to the meaning of euthanasia. Calling the dog's tail a leg doesn't make it one. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:52, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll put that down as "A". I don't mean fair as in just, but fair as in the correct term to use. Departure– (talk) 21:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if the tail is deemed a leg by popular vote. SamWecer (talk) 21:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, no need for a vote here. Consensus is clear. cagliost (talk) 21:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Option A per WP:EUPHEMISM. I have collected various definitions of the word "euthanasia" and will demonstrate why each one would be a euphemism.
a. the act of killing someone who is very ill or very old so that they do not suffer any more (Not applicable, Peanut is a squirrel and no proof of illness)
b. act or practice of painlessly putting to death persons suffering from painful and incurable disease or incapacitating physical disorder or allowing them to die by withholding treatment or withdrawing artificial life-support measures (Not applicable, no proof of illness)
c. an easy or painless death, or the intentional ending of the life of a person suffering from an incurable or painful disease at his or her request; also called mercy killing. (Not applicable, not enough information on specifically how Peanut was killed)
d. the act or practice of killing or permitting the death of hopelessly sick or injured individuals (such as persons or domestic animals) in a relatively painless way for reasons of mercy (Not applicable, reason of killing was due to biting someone)
For simplicity and accuracy, option A, in my opinion, should be used. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 21:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm under the impression euthanasia in this context just means a means of painless death, regardless of the reasoning. My main method to back this is the sources, which almost all use 'euthanize' and I personally find it hard to believe they're all being inaccurate, but that's my opinion. Departure– (talk) 21:58, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sources can use euphemisms and it's not uncommon. Official dictionaries, like Cambridge, Merriam-Webster and Oxford, provide more formal and correct definitions. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 22:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The word 'euthanasia' has a meaning, which is determined by its general usage, not its specific use by some sources here. My impression is that the government agency used the term euphemistically, and everyone else is uncritically quoting them. That doesn't change the actual meaning of the word. (Although, Memer15151, there is no legal concept of an 'official dictionary' in English; the international standards for English usage are descriptive, not prescriptive.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By "official dictionaries" I really just meant well-established ones. Since we don't have to copy exactly what the source said, and death is a corollary of euthanasia, to follow what most dictionaries say and just write "kill" would be, in my opinion, the best course of action. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 22:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t see the apparent need to put this issue to a vote. It seems, based on this flurry of responses, that option A is by far the most supported by both the editors here and the sources and supporting evidence put forward. SamWecer (talk) 21:58, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't understand how this is even a serious debate. None of the definitions of euthanasia apply to this case. Peanut was healthy and had no symptoms of rabies or any other disease, had no history of aggression, was an indoor animal (thus no risk of rabies), and was seized solely for bureaucratic reasons. Peanut acted rationally in response to being kidnapped by strangers from his home, and in self-defense bit an agent. The DEC agent then used that as an excuse to have Peanut killed. If the DEC agent was really that scared of rabies (even though there was no basis for it), he could have taken a rabies shot. Killing Peanut was not medically or ethically required. --Jay.Jarosz (talk) 14:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    One could argue this discussion doesn't have a clear consensus, but since there is no consensus, should the category "Animal deaths by euthanasia" be removed? UserMemer (chat) Tribs 17:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed. cagliost (talk) 23:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Euthanasia is an applicable term here, kidnapped and self-defence are not.
    '[Euthanasia] is usually used to describe ending the life of an individual animal in a way that minimizes or eliminates pain and distress. A good death is tantamount to the humane termination of an animal’s life.'
    'Examples of conditions which would justify euthanasia include the following: ... Rabies-suspect animals—where there is a significant threat to human health'
    'The reasons for performing euthanasia in cattle include: acutely injured animals; unfeasible treatment options; national or regional disease control measures; and neonates in cases of unresolved dystocia requiring fetotomy.' Traumnovelle (talk) 21:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the root of this dispute is that we have two definitions of euthanasia. One is about killing of sick animals to prevent suffering (also known as "mercy killing"). The other refers to any humane killing of animals by a veterinarian, regardless of whether the animal is sick (also known as "convenience euthanasia"). The first definition does not apply, the second does. The second definition, apparently, is used by the DEC. However, in my opinion, if we use the word "euthanasia" to mean the second definition, we risk implying the first, that the animal was sick. Whereas, if we use "killing", this is neutral and carries no such implication. I suspect the DEC used the word "euthanasia" euphemistically to trade on this confusion. cagliost (talk) 17:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So we should disregard every single source because it might imply something that can easily be clarified through the text? Killing in this instance is not neutral and implies a different manner of death than what euthanasia does. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:17, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why is "killed" not neutral? It implies nothing. cagliost (talk) 22:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should be as specific as possible: killing > euthanasia, the act of killing an animal humanely > injectable drugs (The most specific term is pure speculation and not given by sources) Grimes2 (talk) 21:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Injectable drugs is speculation. cagliost (talk) 23:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When discussing any animal put to sleep by a vet the term is always "euthanised" and never 'killed". It's simply the correct terminology and thus should be used in the article (I note it is literally used in the source we reference in the segment). CoconutOctopus talk 23:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is simply untrue. The word 'killed' clearly is applicable, in that the vet performs an action causing the end of life. That's what killing is. You may prefer euphemisms like 'euthanised' or 'put to sleep', but they are not unambiguously preferable to the plain statement of fact. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:39, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is 'killing' correct? Yes. Is it the terminology used in the veterinary world? No. An article about an animal, when discussing a veterinary related issue, should use veterinary terminology. It is simply the word that is used when describing the humane destruction of an animal by a veterinary professional. You will be hard pressed to find a single vet anywhere who uses the word "killing" in a professional context. CoconutOctopus talk 23:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reactions

Whose "reactions" are worth including in this article? It currently features quotes from Nick Langworthy, Elon Musk, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and the House Judiciary Committee / Jim Jordan (?). None of these people seem like experts on wildlife to me and I think the whole section should be deleted. 2A07:A081:0:1883:7CDA:1D99:C975:A312 (talk) 03:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

as this is inherently a political issue, quote those people who hold significant influence on politics. the reason you are on this page is because one of the people listed above (indirectly) brought it to your attention. 135.180.49.239 (talk) 03:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should tread carefully with responses. Elon Musk is an extremely well known figure, so his might be appropriate. Beyond that, I'd opt for restraint. Frivolous or obviously political comments, unless they are from someone either extremely important or with a clear connection to the controversy, should be eschewed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That was my logic for removing the fake Trump reaction. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Curiously the article itself does not mention that this has become a very weird republican talking point online, even though all quotes in the Reactions section are by Republicans or Trump-affiliates. Surely some of the news coverage touched on that? — jonas (talk) 14:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And why would only the reaction of wildlife experts be worthy? The killing of this pet is not only an environmental issue. The department that killed him was an "expert". Regioncalifornia (talk) 12:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tweets are not reliable sources. Grimes2 (talk) 13:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you talking about RFK's Tweet?
From WP:Verifiability: Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities, without the self-published source requirement that they are established experts in the field, so long as:
The material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim; (Just a comment)
It does not involve claims about third parties; (He's only making a comment on the incident, not making any claims)
It does not involve claims about events not directly related to the source; (The source is about the death of the squirrel which is what the Tweet replied to)
There is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; (It's his official Twitter account, and another reliable source commented on the post) and
The article is not based primarily on such sources. (The article is not based primarily on Tweets)
I think RFK's Twitter post should be kept, as a reliable news source also verifies this. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 17:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If stability is a DYK requirement like for GA and FA this will not pass. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New development

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