User talk:MDP23

	Archives
; 01/06 to 08/06 08/06 to 09/06 ; 10/06 ; 11/06 ; Archive 4 ; Archive 5 ; Archive 6 ; Archive 7 ; Archive 8	; Archive 9 ; Archive 10 ; Archive 11 ; Archive 12 ; Archive 13

Tell us about your Wikimedia stories!


User	Talk	Contribs	Awards	Bots	Email	Requests for Mediation	Admin actions	NPWatcher

Click here to leave me a new message.
If you wish, email me using the link above.
Finally, if I'm editing (and sometimes when I'm not), I'm usually on IRC in a lot of channels on the freenode network, but always in ##martinp23 ^connect. My current status on IRC is out.

My PGP public key ID is 0xC0B92A0C, expand for key:

Please check the history of this page to ensure that the key has not been modified by anyone other than Martinp23.

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux)
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=5ygR
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

edit count | edit summary usage

JOIN THIS WIKIPROKECT PLEASE!!!

invitaton to wikiproect

You are invited to join the Homeopathy WikiProject, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Homeopathy. Please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. Don't delay---the first 25 members will receive this beautfiul toaster

NPWatcher Approval Mistake?

Hey, I was just approved for the NPwatcher - and thank you for doing so by the way - but i'm afraid there may have been some mistake. Patricknoddy (another user applying) has like, 1300 more edits then I do, however he was rejected - and the comment was "Still no" - and this worries me because I've applied before, so that comment (given his edit count) would more likely apply to me. If I am right about this (as I suspect I am) then really don't worry about taking my name off the approved list (could you just leave me a note on my talk page so I know not to use it anymore? thanks) - and hopefully when I have as many edits as Patrick does I can re-apply. This is actually our first real discussion - but I've seen a lot of your work on Wikipedia and I love what you've done both technically (with programs like NPWatcher) and content wise (usual edits) - so hopefully we'll meet up again! Thanks for the time, danielfolsom© 05:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Daniel. I do sincerely commend your concern - it shows very good things about your character! PatrickNoddy was blocked from Wikipedia earlier in the year for misusing NPWatcher to, effectively, tag anything he didn't like. Since then, he has applied for approval through the usual process at least twice, and has asked me on IRC repeatedly - every time he has been denied, as I will not be happy to reapprove unless the admin who originally block Patrick is happy for him to have access. My position on the matter may change in the future, but for know Patrick knows well the issues surrounding the rejection, hence my somewhat terse reponse to his request. Please, don't feel compelled to give up your access to NPW on the basis of the careless actions of one user! Thanks for your kind words, Martinp23 16:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MedBot

It hasn't performed this function in a while. Any ideas? Cheers, Daniel Bryant 09:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll check that it hasn't fallen off crontab or something :) Martinp23 16:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've run all of the MediationBot comonents I have, and there don't seem to be any for closing cases. If it can wait until the weekend, I plan to do some Wiki-bot-coding then, so should be able to do this with minimum of fuss (I'll also see if I actually have a copy of the source files somewhere else...). Thanks, Martinp23 16:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It did all the tasks related to the rejected cases. I'm confused, too :) Daniel Bryant 02:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A-ha! Found the problem: [1]. Cheers, Daniel Bryant 08:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

CSA International

I updated and corrected information on CSA International but the Martinbot, deleted all the content I had inputted. Can you roll back to previous version?

Can I frame this one?

[2] ? I know there is deletionism and inclusionism and so forth. What's the term for anti-wonkism? And doesn't excessive reliance on "We know what we're doing!" result in "But we don't know what you know." Shenme 18:56, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - I'm sorry to be dense (long day and all that), but could you please clarify your comments so that I can respond correctly? Again, my apologies. Martinp23 20:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, you have been working too hard - it's a compliment. I was thinking along the same lines of puzzlement, and saw this and instantly thought it'd be a quote to put on a user page. But... some people might take it wrong, even though completely true. (sigh) I'm still thinking it might go well on my user page, but I thought I'd ask first. (discretion being more or less the subject of the quote ;-) )

I wonder if there's an essay around that asks "why do you think discussion should start with yelling, or that questions should end with exclamation points?" Shenme 20:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh OK :) - feel free to use it, this being a wiki! That said, I am quite honoured that you even thought of using it as a quote, and do invite you to do so. On the matter of the essay - none spring to mind, but the point in your question is something that characterises almost any dispute on Wikipedia, and I feel that an essay would be a great idea, if only as something to point people (and ourselves) at in an effort to de-escalate a dispute. Thanks, Martinp23 21:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Signpost updated for April 23rd, 2007.

The Wikipedia Signpost Weekly Delivery


Volume 3, Issue 17	23 April 2007	About the Signpost

Administrator goes rogue, is blocked	Wales unblocks Brandt, then reverses himself
Historian detained after his Wikipedia article is vandalized	Efforts to reform Requests for Adminship spark animated discussion
Canadian politician the subject of an edit war	Virginia Tech massacre articles rise to prominence
Wikipedia enters China one disc at a time	WikiWorld comic: "Buttered cat paradox"
News and notes: Unreferenced biographies, user studies, milestones	Wikipedia in the news
Features and admins	The Report on Lengthy Litigation


Home \| Archives \| Newsroom \| Tip Line \| Single-Page View	Shortcut : WP:POST

You are receiving this message because you have signed up for the Signpost spamlist. If you wish to stop receiving these messages, simply remove your name from the list. Ralbot 06:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rig (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Um this is acually good information!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.186.96.207 (talk • contribs)

Actually, no--VectorPotential^Talk 15:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Martinbot

Your recent edit to Category:Organizations related to anti-Mormonism (diff) was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to recognize and repair vandalism to Wikipedia articles. If the bot reverted a legitimate edit, please accept my humble creator's apologies – if you bring it to the attention of the bot's owner, we may be able to improve its behavior. Click here for frequently asked questions about the bot and this warning. // MartinBot 16:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Errr... no, that was a mistake on your bot. That category was deleted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_April_17#Category:Anti-Mormonism

so I had to remove it from all the pages linking to it. Just so you know. -- drini ^[meta:]_[commons:] 16:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that - I'm surpised to have seen that happen, and can only suggest that the bot misparsed the edit. In any case, when I go on IRC, I'll check that you are on the bot's "admin" list, which is shouldn't revert. Again, the bot edit seems strange, and can only suggest that the diff numbers which it queries went wrong somewhere. Feel free to revert the bot if it make mistakes in future - it shouldn't revert you again :-). Thanks, Martinp23 16:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mistake by MartinBot

Hello, MartinBot reverted an edit that I anonymously made to remove a deleted image from Amanda Lamb. I reverted it back, but thought you had better know. (Quentin X 12:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Thanks for letting me know, and sorry for the disturbance. Martinp23 19:00, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Martinbot sourcecode

Where do you got the source code from? --84.139.81.46 13:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By asking myself or Tawker, who, depending on trust, will be happy to give you a copy. Martinp23 18:59, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RefDeskBot (talk · contribs)

Seems to have died in the middle of an archive cycle last night, it's only archived through to the Computing, Mathematics, Humanities, Science & Language desks. The Miscellaneous, Entertainment & Help desks are all unarchived--VectorPotential^Talk 14:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is it possible that the database was locked for maintenance at 0:03 (UTC) ? Interrupting the bot in the middle of an archive? Would it be possible to code a safeguard so that the bot pauses its activities during database locks? Or alternatively, would it be possible for RefDeskBot to operate at a higher rate of speed, say the maximum allowed 15 edits per minute, so as to minimize the chances of it being interrupted in the middle of an archive?--VectorPotential^Talk 14:12, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm - I'll fix the archives up a little later on, and will remove any excessive edit throttles. Thanks, Martinp23 19:02, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to have stopped just after finishing the Language desk again--VectorPotential^Talk 00:06, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MartinBot request

Hi! It appears I got project consent to go forward and officially request to add WP:GREECE articles to the list of projects whose articles are to be automatically assessed (see here). The template is {{WPGR}}. Some articles have the older templates (now redirected) of {{WPHOG}} and {{WPGreece}}. The list of articles should come from Category:Unassessed Greek articles. The bot should only tag articles in the Main namespace. Let me know if more information is required. Thanks!! --Kimon^talk 20:15, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA candidates

Hi, I just wanted to make sure you knew to complete the GA templates so that GimmeBot is able to convert them to {{ArticleHistory}}; see this example that I corrected. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A Smile to make your day

Trampton has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Trampton 05:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Article creation

HI, I'm trying to create an article, and it doesn't seem to come up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noirfan (talk • contribs)

Replying on user's talk page. Martinp23 09:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bot Error

Your bot recently made this edit: [3] reverting edits from over 2 months ago. Are you currenltly running some very old changes, or did it malfunction during the last recent edit? — xaosflux ^Talk 14:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, don't know if you are taking RFE's but when talk paging editors could you use a section header? — xaosflux ^Talk 14:31, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What's an RFE? --kingboyk 14:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requests from editors? On the talk page headers - I was asked by about 3 or 4 other users to remove the headers, as has been done for AVB. I'll be happy to restore them, but this time I think it would be better to see consensus of sorts for a change. The bot runs off the IRC recent changes feed, and when it sees a particularly suspicous looking edit (just the username, page title, diff numbers and amount of text changed), it uses query.php to get the latest two revisions, and does a diff on them. What I suspect is happening is that the bot is being triggered by the anon edit, and then goes to query.php. However, it retrieves an out of date cached version from query.php, where you were the latest editor, and reverts you, not knowing that you are an admin/long standing user, because those checks are made before edits go from the RC feed to query.php (at which point it was going for an IP). This has happened before, so I'm going to see what I can do with the code to make it return if the top editor on query.php != the editor indicated in the rc feed. Thanks, Martinp23 15:11, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dancing peanut butter jelly bean thingie

File:PeanutButterJellyStar.gif

For absolutely no reason at all, I, Kingboyk, hereby award you with a Dancing peanut butter jelly bean thingie. Enjoy! --kingboyk 18:58, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! Martinp23 19:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

you said the AWB bug was fixed??

a bug i reported, archived here, was apparently fixed for the next release... i'm using version 3.9.1.0 and it still happens, i realize it's not an "official" release so i wanted to know if this glitch has been fixed for the next real release. I know ur on wikibreak, so if you could reply to my talk page whenever you get a chance i'd appreciate it. -ΖαππερΝαππερ ^Babel_Alexandria 19:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure it was working, but perhaps some other change has broken it again :) - anyway, I'll have another go, and let you know. Martinp23 19:27, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've tested on my system, and while I originally had the error, the latest version seems to work fine. Then again, I'm running Vista, so I'll ask another developer with XP to try it out. Thanks, Martinp23 19:40, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, the OS is probably what's affecting something this subtle... -ΖαππερΝαππερ ^Babel_Alexandria 19:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]