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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Stephen Gilbert (talk | contribs) at 07:35, 30 July 2002. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

First of all, thanks to KQ for consistently good refactoring! --Ed Poor

Consensus on breaking apart the long articles

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Communications in *
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Titles and redirects
Should we begin the article name with "The" (as in The Gambia, The Democratic Republic of the Congo, The Netherlands), and have a redirect from Gambia?

  • Omit "The" from the article name (as in Ukraine), but have a redirect from The Ukraine for the convenience of Wikipedians who expect it: Jeronimo (see notes below), Scipius, Ed Poor
  • Name the article whatever's most common, and make the full official title the redirect. --KQ, Ed Poor
  • Make a redirect from any common alternate usage: Ed Poor, mav (redirects are harmless and only increase the number of page hits) Stephen Gilbert (they also aid accidental linking)
  • Use the conventional short form of the name as given by the CIA and be done with it. I can't think of a single case where this significnatly differs from what is mostly used by English speakers. --mav Danny, (KQ here sees no conflict with his vote above, hence it's 3 for this option and two for the first option), Ed Poor, Stephen Gilbert

Notes by Jeronimo :

  • "The Ukraine" is technically incorrect usage, though many will still write it in that way.
  • Let's not forget all the archipelagos: the Maldives, Seychelles, Virgin Islands, etc.
  • The article "the" should be included in article titles of the form "X of Y", so "History of the Netherlands", since the use would otherwise be incorrect English. For Ukraine, I propose redirects for "History of the Ukraine".
  • All country article should start with the country's full name in bold, so that should include "the" if applicable.
Yes, always use correct English putting "the" where needed for the "of" and "in" articles. --mav
"The Gambia" is also the conventional short form as given by the CIA. --mav

other discussion
Stephen Gilbert, Brion VIBBER, and KQ discussed moving away from the CIA World Factbook, as importing it directly results in biased and perpetually out-of-date information.

I say use it like any other resource -- just aid updating from the previous version. I will not support dumping 2000 CIA factbook info into the 'pedia. Let's make something unique. --mav


Let's go back to titles and articles above, and finalize our votes. Then KQ can refactor and announce the "election results".