User talk:Kizzle
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I'm preparing a history of the TfT dispute, which I hope to have ready by the end of today (that's about seven hours from now in my time zone). (moved from user page -kizzle) JamesMLane 20:55, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
fyi
User_talk:Fred_Bauder#Rex071404 asks you to read his comments refers to you as a sockpuppet
Interesting, but he'll be back; he's just trying to be dramatic. Wolfman 05:24, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Re: mediation request
Hi Kizzle -- since this seems to have begun as an article content dispute, before I go any further, I want to ask you if you have listed the page on requests for comment and mentioned in Wikipedia:Dispute resolution to bring in more people to help resolve the dispute amicably? I realize the the sockpuppet issue is also there, but bringing in more editors might well defuse that issue as well. Please let me know.
Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 19:47, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Peace offer
Kizzle; Please note that this message refers to you as Kizzle, not "Kizzle". Please take a look at my talk page under the section "Wolfpeace". User Wolfman and I have been able to bury the hatchet on much of our issues by talking. I think you and I could also do that, if you are interested. FYI: Because you are new here, you are not aware that I am basically the only pro-Bush editor on several of the articles where pro-Kerry types such as JamesMLane would otherwise have free reign. Don't be so quick to think I won't listen to you. It's primarily your frequent siding up with JML which has impeded my dialog with you, not the merits of your concerns. As evidence that I do indeed have good listening skills, here are your TfT complaints:
- "" tweak - dispensed with (see above)
- Q: Will I attempt to re-insert past attempted links in exact method I tried before? A: As explained, my aim is to bring "parity" with SBVT - as I view parity. I will attempt to do that in whatever way I am able to successfully. Axiomatically, this means that any editing approach I take which is blocked too much by others, is foreclosed to me. I thought you understood that.
- Q: What are my specific "gripes" which I would say show "POV" nature of TfT? A: I see that page as having too much pent-up editorial interest to rationally think that it will remain substantially the same (as it is now) for even a short time after it's unprotected. For this reason, I am holding my assessment in abeyence until I see what others do when it's open for editing again. I also thought you understood this already too.
Anyway, feel free to leave constructive comments on my talk page. [[User:Rex071404|Rex071404 
]] 16:53, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- As far as TfT goes, I have no inititives to offer at this point. I am strictly in a "wait and see" mode there. If you are able to take at face value that this does not mean I am laying in wait to "ambush" the page as soon as it opens, there really is no reason to not join me in requesting that it be unprotected. Also, did I answer your questions (see above) to your satisfaction? If not, please explain. [[User:Rex071404|Rex071404
]] 17:30, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Hi folks, BCorr here. I just want to say that I'll archive the mediation request as it seems like -- if you are both able to assume good faith -- that you two will be able to work out your differences without outside intervention. If this proves not to be the case after a few days, please feel free to contact me and I will be happy to de-archive the case. Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 17:18, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
You can use the "E-mail this user" thing on the left-hand side. I entered a real address when I registered. AlistairMcMillan 22:42, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Rex stop watching my user contrib list
This article has been deleted. Note that its creation constituted vandalism. Please do not do anything like this again. Snowspinner 01:46, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)
controversy
Kizzle, why are you going to such lengths to stoke controversy? Have you seen the new page Stolen Honor Documentary which I started? Please examine that and see if you can honestly say that I did not compose a fair and NPOV article. And if I did, doesn't that shatter your presumptions about me? I am still hoping we can resolve our disagreements. [[User:Rex071404|Rex071404 ]] 02:07, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Email again
What Alistair said, a couple topics up. This should get you there: [1] but if it doesn't, go to User:JamesMLane and select "E-mail this user". As for Rex's listening in, I think it's amusing that he's constantly accusing other people of following him around, when he does so much of it himself. (In fact, I'm sure he's reading this. Hiya, Rex! Have a nice weekend!) JamesMLane 02:11, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- I shall. Thank you. You also. [[User:Rex071404|Rex071404 ]] 02:17, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Quasi
The "quasiness" or lack thereof regarding a given documentary is not equally at issue between F911 and SH. F911 is actually acknowledged by MM himslef as not being soley a documentary. There is no such debate extant regarding SH. Therefore, while quasi may apply to F911, it does not apply to SH. You logic is relatiatory and not sound in this instance. BTW, what is wrong with the word anyway? "quasi- prefix; used to show that something is almost, but not completely, the thing described" [2] [[User:Rex071404|Rex071404 ]] 07:15, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- I took off the quasi-reference on SH. Quasi "lessens" the importance of the message contained within, I would be ok with "documentary/editorial"... there is no "quasi" documentary genre, and if any question I would refer to IMDB.com as it is a pretty standard reference for all references to movies. --kizzle 07:20, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)
There is no denying that MM's style is very flamboyant and atypical for a documentary. The same cannot be said about the SH documentary. [[User:Rex071404|Rex071404 ]] 07:51, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Flamboyant and atypical does not generate an offshoot from an existing genre, it merely reshapes the traditional associations with it. And didn't you see, i took off quasi from SH? --kizzle 17:17, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)
- for my own reference...
Rex's departure?
Thanks for your note. I'll make a betting line at 3:1 that he doesn't stay away for more than a day or two. JamesMLane 05:26, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- answered on my talk page. Wolfman 06:15, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
U.S. Presidential election debate, 2004
Posed a question to you at Talk:U.S. presidential election debates, 2004.Bds yahoo 21:01, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Kizzle, yes, you got under my skin, first by writing (in edit summary) that my edit adding some information about the content of the debate might not belong on the page "at all," moving it to another section (later renamed "Analysis"), and then complaining that there wasn't enough in this section, that it wasn't comprehensive or balanced. No kidding! It's no single user's job to provide a comprehensive or balanced article. This is a collective project. The rule around here is, you make the additions you want to see. Bds yahoo 20:01, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Rex's comment
Final 2004 EV total:
- Bush 286
- Kerry 252
(ha ha)
[[User:Rex071404|Rex071404 ]] 17:49, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Military service of John Kerry
Since Kerry lost, might as well just leave the full military stuff in, as the article won't be growing much. I suggest we make the Military service of John Kerry page a disambig with links to the relevant section of the kerry article and to the 'controversy' article. the current content is essentially no different than the main kerry page content. my main thought is that will reduce maintenance costs (vandalism patrol, etc.) thoughts? Wolfman 17:57, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- done. merged (essentially copied) into main kerry article. turned into a disambig page. Wolfman 20:16, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
What's that you say? "Kerry lost"... (new battle cry of the DIMS "voter fraud, it was all voter fraud")
As for "permaban", is that anything like permafrost? Please advise. 216.153.214.94 07:37, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Exit polls
All the current exit polls are weighted according to vote count, meaning that they are absolutely worthless for determining fraud. The only uselfull polls I can find are the ones already mentioned and these. A complete seems impossible. Kevin Baas | talk 21:38, 2004 Nov 9 (UTC)
Election controversy official response section
Hey Kizzle, someone actually added info to that section but it was commented out, unfortunately those changes and your revert to commented out state were overwritten because of vandal reverting. Do you really think that should be commented out? I think it's fine left in there. Zen Master 19:45, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
VfD listing
Thanks for your compliments. What you read was only part of what I wanted to say about Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/2004 U.S. Election controversies and irregularities! I've gotten the rest off my chest with a Comment in addition to my vote. JamesMLane 21:44, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Irregularities article title
Sorry I wasn't clear. I favor: (1) moving the math crunching to a new article, titled something like "2004 U.S. election statistical analysis"; (2) creating a new article, "2004 U.S. election voting controversies", for description of registration impediments, absent ballot problems, etc.; and (3) turn the current title into a redirect to one of those, I don't care which. JamesMLane 21:07, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- The title using "statistical analysis" was one mentioned as a possibility by Zen Master. I think he's still pondering what title he thinks would be best. I see your point about original research -- maybe "data tabulations" or some such? The title shouldn't use "irregularities" in a way that implies that there definitely were irregularities; other than keeping out such POV terms, I don't expect to play much role in choosing the title for The article where we present exit poll data and use the discrepancies to cast doubt on the legitimacy of electronic voting machine totals. JamesMLane 22:05, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Recount source
Well, I found a different source than you did. This way I can feel like I'm making some contribution. :)
Actually, I preferred it because it didn't emphasize Cobb over Badnarik (who, unlike Cobb, was on the ballot in Ohio) and because, as an AP report, it wouldn't be considered to be as partisan as something that came basically from the Green Party or its allies. JamesMLane 17:53, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Request IRC chat
I am requesting IRC chat on #wikipedia. Kevin Baas | talk 23:14, 2004 Dec 4 (UTC)
Election controversy articles
Thanks for voicing your support for a summary article. I think we have the beginnings of one in 2004 U.S. election voting controversies, but of course I'm biased in favor of my creation. :) Is that article along the lines of what you envision? JamesMLane 06:17, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- I appreciate your praise of the article. I understand about those annoying RL distractions that so unduly interfere with one's editing! Your specific comment was, "I don't know if you've already done it but the subsections should mirror the sub-pages and soon-to-be subpages of the main page." I agree that the structure should be mirrored. I wouldn't take either current structure as carved in stone, though. We can adjust either or both of them. In addition, some particular topics might be compact enough that they could be covered fully in the summary article, with no daughter article necessary. JamesMLane 07:25, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- From the point of view of the typical reader, I don't know whether including other controversies in the same article would be useful. People who wanted to know what was being argued about during the campaign (like the debate controversies or the role of the 527 groups) wouldn't necessarily want to read about post-election arguments, lawsuits, etc. People who wanted to know more about vote-rigging wouldn't care about the bulge in Bush's jacket. For that reason, my inclination is to confine the article to the voting controversies. You're certainly right, however, that other controversies would "fit" in the sense that the article wouldn't be unduly long with them. JamesMLane 03:56, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
can you handle this?
can you handle this? [3] The day that evidence of preparation for recount fraud is superfluous, is the day that we are royally f****d. Kevin Baas | talk 00:02, 2004 Dec 14 (UTC)
Rex?
Since you think I'm "Rex" and reading "something" from "Rex" makes you laugh out loud, here is a holiday gift of laughter for you: "Something".
Regards,
216.153.214.94 07:34, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
it's like the day before christmas
[4] [5] [6] [7] [8] I also heard that Conyers stated very confidently that senators will be contesting the election on Air America radio today. i can't rediscover all of my sources. Kevin Baastalk 08:39, 2005 Jan 6 (UTC)
I haven't recieved whatever you sent
[9] I have a spam filter, might be overzealous, it primarily depends on the domain that you are sending from. I know I have yahoo blocked. Kevin Baastalk 00:50, 2005 Feb 12 (UTC)
play
I would love to bring this stuff to people's attention. (provided it doesn't just truamatize them). How is this going to be put in front of people's eyes; how many people are going to see it? what's the plan for distribution; etc.? I'd spend my time on helping out if I knew that it would make a respectable difference. Kevin Baastalk 21:13, 2005 Feb 15 (UTC)
Sounds good. I'll contribute when I have time not better spent making $ to feed my broke-a$$.
I gave it a little thought, and thought of the key idea "narrative", not in the story-book meaning of the word, but psychologically. Narrative as a means of legitimization. All good religions have a narrative. I looked through a book my friend was reading on nationalism, and it's main thesis was that nationalism relies on a shared narrative, which enforces the idea of a common origin. (think of this: if this was a republican thing, republicans would have no problem jumping on the band-wagon)
a civil rights documentary i saw came to mind: "eyes on the prize" i think it was called. Perhaps a historical aspect can be developed in it. That would also overcome any disbelief - "blacks being disenfranchised? bull$hit!" they might say, but with a little bit of history, the screenplay will figuratively ask them "where you born yesterday?" and remind them that history moves slowly.
Another image that comes to mind is - and this may sound absurd - there was a special on (football star) Brett Favre on T.V. a while ago, it was pretty much a documentary/biography. It went through his trials and tribulations and was a real "hero" story; an epic, the way it was put together. (and things people could relate to - humanizing the hero) When his father died, they got all religous and the preacher said he played a great game, like he was playing for his father - everyone got all emotional and stuff, supporting this hero through his grief, and seeing him play all the harder for it. Great example of a "narrative", in my opinion, as much as I hate sports and esp. football. Kevin Baastalk 19:55, 2005 Feb 16 (UTC)
Oh yeah, and I was reading this book on writting for law, titled something like "how to write for law, and win", and one of the things from it that i burned into my brain is to focus on people. Make it personal, use names when possible, the people are the characters; develop their character, make it about people. everyone can understand people interacting, the tone of voice; they can always sense fear, aggression, compassion, etc. - it's universal, and drama is simply a composition of such emotions.
We've got blackwell, conyers, boxer, and jackson to name a few. I'm looking over the script. that just struck me. Kevin Baastalk 00:49, 2005 Feb 17 (UTC)
I'm discussing this on the discussion page for the screenplay.
I added "a guide to voting in ohio, america", first draft, to the screenplay page. that's the method of organization and presentation that made it best come out of my head. (with a little satirical embelishment) Kevin Baastalk 04:19, 2005 Feb 17 (UTC)
I'm not at my usual computer right now. But fwiw, my standard alias is happyjack27, and if that's taken i just append a 0. once in a while i'm on aol-im, to see if my friend from years ago, who's now in NY, is online. perhaps i should install icq. (i like that it's opensource, but it's bloated!) Kevin Baastalk 01:17, 2005 Feb 19 (UTC)
Just a small suggestion for you. Remember that trials have cross-examinations, and this element would be helpful here. Also, if you're looking for an investigative play that might give you presentation or stylistic ideas, go see Copenhagen (play), or rent a video of its performance. — Cortonin | Talk 09:44, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
neighbor?
Well then we're both screwed :)--kizzle 01:07, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)
- you live in my hood, kizzle? Wolfman 01:46, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Kevin Shelley connex
Great find! A doubleplusgood correlation - I'll do a little digging, see who floats it and see what happens. :) -- RyanFreisling @ 02:16, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Check this out too - a recent thread re: Alexander: [10]
Rex redivivus
Like you, I noticed Rex's return. In fact, a couple weeks ago he violated the terms of his ArbCom ban by making this edit within the four-month period during which he was prohibited from editing articles on U.S. politics.
I suppose I could go leave him a note welcoming him back, but there's no need. If he's back, he's probably patrolling your talk page and stalking my contribution list. Either way, he'll see this, so I can give him my message here: Hi, Rex! I hope the end of the campaign season has made you less combative. JamesMLane 00:02, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
But it has been 4 months now, yes? 216.153.214.94 04:48, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Image source
Thank you for uploading Image:Bushbulge.jpg. Its copyright status is unclear, so it may have to be deleted. Please leave a note on the image page about the source of the image. Thank you. --Bungopolis 09:02, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Re: PBS broadcast
- It may be public domain, but if I remember correctly FOX News was shooting the debate and may have restrictions on redistribution. Even if that's the case, though, it might be permissable under fair use. I'm no expert on copyright either, it's a minefield and quite confusing. In general we don't like to upload images unless they can be confirmed to be either public domain or distributable under a Free (GFDL-compatible) license like many of the Creative Commons licenses. See Wikipedia:Images and Image copyright tags for more information. --Bungopolis 00:17, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
a vote you might be interested in
Talk:Links_between_Iraq_and_Al-Qaeda#Requested_move:_Links_between_Iraq_and_Al-Qaeda_.26rarr.3B_Alleged_links_between_pre-invasion_Iraq_and_Al-Qaeda Kevin Baastalk 22:42, 2005 Apr 24 (UTC)
Your suggestion at the Bush article
You wrote:
- Ah James, always so helpful, why don't you run for admin? --kizzle 23:31, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
Because I already waste way too much time on this project as it is! I appreciate your thought, but for now I'll stick with the hoi polloi. JamesMLane 02:38, 2 May 2005 (UTC)