Talk:Joker (character)

"Ledger" Poster Image

Would editors please stop adding this image to the page? It is not a genuine poster -- it's a fan mock-up, and the image being uploaded does not source the original artist. The image isn't even of Heath Ledger. It's a photo manipulation of this picture of Conrad Veidt. Thanks. ~CS 19:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Pre-Batman Joker?

I have a very faint memory of a TV blurb that showed an old black-and-white movie scene in which a character had the same Joker grin, but not the hair or lips or dead-white skin. It was presented as an inspiration for the Joker in Batman. I have no idea what movie or what year, unfortunately. I do remember one thing: the grin (somewhat grotesquely) was supposed to have been a result of a sword or knife slash across the face that sliced the man's cheeks open, leaving his teeth permanently exposed in a wide grin. A2Kafir 23:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Try reading the first paragraph of this section of the article. CovenantD 23:51, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Image

I'd like to remind new editors to this page that there was a very recent discussion regarding what image should be used at the top of this page. While revisiting the issue is always open, please solicit the opinions of others who work on this page before changing the image. Thanks! ~CS 00:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Appearances without Batman

I was wondering how many times Joker has appeared without Batman. It seems like fewer than 10 appearances. Also, when did he fight Swamp Thing? There is an image of Swamp Thing engulfing Arkham Asylum that is shown in the opening montage of The Return of Swamp Thing. It is not on the cover of any issue of the series that I could find browsing mycomishop.com, but is on the cover of a British hardcover that I have not been able to see inside because I have only seen it sealed in shrinkwrap. --Scottandrewhutchins 01:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

• The Joker has appeared many, many times without Batman. I can name more than ten off the top of my head. For instance, his short-lived series in the 1970s offered a whole set of Batman-less stories. More recently, his Infinite Crisis scenes had nothing at all to do with Batman. Doczilla 02:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Heath Ledger

The citation given for this sentence:

Heath Ledger signed to play the Joker in July 2006, for director Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins sequel, The Dark Knight.Sci Fi Wire (April 9, 2007): "Is Two-Face in The Dark Knight?", by Ian Spelling

doesn't actually confirm Ledger: It hedges by saying he "reportedly" will play the Joker — but doesn't specify who or what reported this. If it's legit and not rumor, then this report should have given the source — Variety? Hollywood Reporter? Aside from the fact Sci FI Wire isn't exactly the AP, it's best to cite the actual initial source. The fact Sci Fi Wire says "reportedly" but doesn't say where they got it from is troublesome. -- Tenebrae 03:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Found an interview with Ledger about The Joker, and added the cite. All good. --Tenebrae 03:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Toxic Blood

I really believe that the mosquito that died right after feeding on the Joker's blood shows that the Joker's blood is toxic, and I believe that a significant item to place in the "powers" section. What other reason would a mosquito die from sucking blood? Please quit editting it out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abaddon667 (talk • contribs) 05:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

Right. You believe it means the Joker's blood is toxic. Opinion is not allowed. Speculative interpretation is not consistent with Wikipedia style guidelines. I do appreciate the fact that you came here to express yourself regarding that reversion in the text. (And I've seen mosquitoes die right after biting someone before.) Doczilla 07:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

There can be implied knowledge of certain things. Things can be "strongly suggested" without actually stating them. I think that is a higher level than an "opinion". Abaddon667

Unless you have a credible source like the writer saying it was meant to be implied or suggested, it is just your own inference that it was implied or suggested. That is your opinion. You yourself say that you "really believe" this. That's not what's required for encyclopedic entry. Sorry. Doczilla 09:08, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Alternate versions

OK, this just seems weird that the article Alternate versions of The Joker is a short list and that section here is this huge, voluminous thing that according to Wikipedia guidelines should be spun off as its own article. Any thoughts? --Tenebrae 17:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the move of the sub-topic is odd. IT should not have been remerged, but I was loathe to undo it without some consensus. I'd support a reversion. ThuranX 02:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

When I first created the Alternate Versions of The Joker page, it contained the entire The Joker in Other Media section, including the theme park attraction (Check the history page). I have no idea why someone changed it the way they did (moving the lion's share of it back here), and I'm ticked off at whoever did it. Evernut 15:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Merge of Joker (1989 Batman character)

User:Metropolitan90 recently tried to put a merge notice on Joker (1989 Batman character). It was reverted by the main editor of the article, in a distinct show of ownership.

I support Metropolitan's suggestion of a merge. This article represents a content fork. It reads as a plot summary, which Wikipedia is not, with a great deal of WP:PEACOCK violations, WP:OR problems with peoples emotions and motivations, and lack of citation for casting rumors, to name the most obvious problems. Further, everything ELSE in the article was already available to readers at the proper article, Joker (comics), and the Batman (1989 film) article. As such, I fully concur, a merge back into the main article is in order.ThuranX 22:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I have another idea for this: merge the relevant information into a "Jack Napier" section on a List of Batman film characters. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 02:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Not sure that would be a good idea, for a couple reasons: One, lists are getting less and less popular on Wikpedia, I've seen a few anti-list comments on AN/I over the last few months from admins. Two, I think such a list might inspire MORE of this sort of article, not less, with the list becoming a series of links to those bigger articles. ThuranX 04:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with that last statement, the information on the lists should be relatively condensed. Expanding it can be seen a justifying the need for an article. And as ThuranX points out, when the information is condensed back down, new articles for "pertinent information" get created and linked in. - J Greb 18:39, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

It should be mergedTheClownPrinceofCrime 18:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

• Support The material should be here. If the result is an article that, by file size, needs a split, it should follow the Batman and Robin model -- move the entire "In other media" to a separate article. - J Greb 18:39, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

• Support Content forks are bad. --GentlemanGhost 18:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)