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| WA-importance = [Low|Mid|High|Top]

(changed section heading from incorrect "Medium" to correct "Mid" - apologies if I've broken some links. Hesperian 02:31, 22 April 2007 (UTC))[reply]

The {{WP Australia}} template has had a WA-importance argument for a while now. But it appears that this parameter has only ever been used twice. Perhaps this is because no-one knows about it? Or is it because everyone (including me) keeps forgetting to make use of it?

Well, anyhow, if you're assessing article importance for WP Australia, please take a moment to ascribe a WA-importance too. Hesperian 01:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For mine and others edification, why won't it work at Talk:James Stirling (Australian governor). —Moondyne 01:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Because the template is a disgusting mess of spaghetti code. In this case, someone had supplied a rating= argument instead of class= argument, and for reasons unknown this was preventing the WA-importance= argument from doing its job. Hesperian 01:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, Thanks. Is see that it doesn't actually change the appearance of the template though - it only populates the sub-categories of Category:Western Australia articles by importance. —Moondyne 02:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently so. :-( But the real benefit to us is the categories and the bot-generated statistics. Also, I keep Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Western Australia articles by quality log on my watchlist. Hesperian 02:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Western Australia articles by quality and importance
Quality Importance
Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total
FA 2 5 41 48
FL 1 1
FM 1 1
A 2 2
GA 8 17 60 85
B 7 41 106 435 2 591
C 16 92 341 2,033 2,482
Start 8 71 498 8,765 9,342
Stub 10 80 5,189 5,279
List 9 65 805 1 880
Category 1 9 1,998 2,008
Disambig 41 41
File 48 48
Portal 6 6
Project 135 135
Redirect 2 6 124 699 831
Template 260 260
NA 3 11 14
Other 2 1 3
Assessed 31 235 1,121 17,467 3,201 2 22,057
Total 31 235 1,121 17,467 3,201 2 22,057
WikiWork factors (?) ω = 90,257 Ω = 5.06


Obviously Perth would be top and the major regional cities would be high, but what importance should WA give to towns (major/minor), suburbs (hub/non-hub), councils/shires and the 9 regions? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Orderinchaos (talk • contribs) 04:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]
I wouldn't disagree with those. If major regional cities=High, I suggest major towns=Medium, minor towns=Low. Be bold! —Moondyne 06:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll 2nd that 2nd. BTW I think Stirling, Yagan, O'Connor and J.Forrest as top are there any other people as significant these 4. Gnangarra 07:02, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'd add John Curtin to that... if he's in our project at all. I'd also take Alan Carpenter, so long as I can jump off the bandwagon as soon as he ain't premier any more. Hesperian 07:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
[edit conflict] :::Logically, the WP:WA100 bio's should all be either Top (say: Stirling, Forrest (both of them), Yagan, Vlamingh, O'Connor, Mitchell (maybe)) or High (the rest of them). —Moondyne 07:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
with premiers the person in general should be high-if elected, mid-if they took over midterm, with exceptions(inc incumbent at top). WP:WA100 default mid, high for the notable, top exceptional and BB only if we all get a phone. Gnangarra 07:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
IMHO high schools should be mid including all PSA ones, UWA as top, with the other Uni's at high. exceptions on a case by case Gnangarra 07:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
[bad joke removed] —Moondyne 08:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't Curtin merit top as well on that basis, given it's almost the size of all others combined and has international profile? Orderinchaos 07:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
UWA as being above the other was due to being only WA member Group of Eight (Australian universities), Gnangarra 07:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For geography I'm going to go for:

  • Perth, Fremantle - top
  • Major regional cities (>10000 + Esperance, Collie, Pinjarra, any others which merit High through historical or economic importance) - high
  • Other large towns - Medium
  • All other towns - Low
  • Major suburbs (Joondalup, Midland, Armadale, Cannington, Subiaco, Cottesloe, Scarborough, Rockingham, any others?) - Medium-High
  • Other suburbs - Low
  • Councils - medium (urban ones plus Cities outside Perth, and Shire of Busselton which is soon to change status) to low except City of Perth.

Note this is only a proposed hierarchy so if you disagree let me know, I'm not ultra-committed to the above and more interested in getting it right :) Orderinchaos 07:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd add kwinana, Clarement and Guildford to the major burbs Gnangarra 07:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Annoying bots

I've come across this bot on WP in the last few days. Nice idea in principal, but it removes article stubs, replaces them section stub tags. However, this method removes it's link to the relevant stub category and IMHO makes it much harder for people who are interested in cleaning the relevant stub categories finding relevant articles. I have actually taken the step of reverting it's changes to articles on my watch list and have left a not on the bot's discussion page flagging this issue. If anyone has any thoughts or comments on this please speak now. Thewinchester (talk) 06:38, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stubsensor isn't a bot; it's a tool. In this case, User:Petze is running stubsensor, and has chosen to replace {{business-stub}} with some {{section-stub}}s, which, as you say, removes the article from the relevant stub subcategory. If I were you I would take it up with him/her, as your message at the stubsensor page will surely achieve nothing. Hesperian 06:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LGAs

Just thought I'd log here that every LGA in Western Australia now has an article documenting its basic statistics, history (formation/amalgamations etc), wards, component towns/suburbs, and thanks to User:Astrokey44, completed neighbour boxes and maps. Some are slightly non standard - the City of South Perth, Town of Kwinana and Shire of Shark Bay come to mind. I'll be looking to upgrade these in a few months with economic data and indicators (NRPs, AgStats and SEIFA), the 2006 census figures which will be out in 7 or so weeks, historic population figures, and any other info (suggestions are welcome :)) Orderinchaos 06:34, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A major achievement; well done indeed! Hesperian 06:40, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Pile on praise. Top job. —Moondyne 07:04, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. These are some of the best articles on municipalities I've seen yet, and to have rolled them out across the entire state is very impressive. Congratulations on a great job! Rebecca 07:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks guys :) Orderinchaos 11:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hey you have the rest of australia to do now!(heheh)well done! SatuSuro 12:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
With one small exception, I fully endorse the enormous amount of work done by OIC. ☻ Fred|☝ discussion|✍ contributions 04:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
LOL re West Perth :D Orderinchaos 06:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Square Kilometre Array

[1] Just keeping us all in the loop. ;-) —Moondyne 02:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And that article just got tagged with future building/structure for good measure. Thewinchester (talk) 04:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Boolardy is now up. —Moondyne 04:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ratings

Any idea if any of these prisons or centres should be anything other than Low / Low?

Boronia Pre-release Centre for Women, Broome Regional Prison, Bunbury Regional Prison, Eastern Goldfields Regional Prison, Greenough Regional Prison, Karnet Prison, Lake Disappointment, Nyandi Women's Prison, Pardelup Prison, Roebourne Regional Prison, Rangeview Juvenile Remand Centre, Wooroloo Prison

Orderinchaos 12:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Low/Low says I. Hesperian 12:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
all low except maybe mid for Wooroloo this seams to house many of the more well healed residents, also its been subject to damage by a number of bush fires. Gnangarra 13:00, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Cool :) We're down to about 400 unranked and I want to keep it going that way (it was in the thousands last week)... Then it's a matter of others going through my ratings and seeing if they were actually right (most are uncontroversial but I'm certain a few I ranked Low would be Mid and vice versa). Orderinchaos 13:18, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You've definitely under rated yourself, has your watch list hit 10,000 articles yet 8P Gnangarra 14:00, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone please rate Riverview Church? (including the Perth-importance= tag) Thanks :) (COI issue) Orderinchaos 06:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Recently deceased Fremantle resident

Having just died - the article is a mess - in respect to the late George Seddon we should clean it up! SatuSuro 04:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Principality of Hutt River and restricted content

I'm flagging this for everyone's awareness and attention. While checked in on the Aus Del Sort list, I saw that one article related to the Principality of Hutt River had been moved to AfD. Taking a wander through linked articles, I spotted the inclusion of a document [2][3] in the aforementioned article.

The document in question purports to be a copy of/text of what some unnamed person saw in communication from the then Commonwealth Department of the Territories to an unnamed minister. My first concern that regardless of the contents, the graphic in question containing the letter had an Australian security classification within its text, and as the letter was undated it was not possible to determine if the security clearance had expired or been released under the 30yr rule. Further to this, no citation was made as to the source of the document and AFAIC fell into the category of Original Research. It also from examination seemed to be a concoction and not the original document, I immediately set about to remove all links to the item in question, and after discussion with OIC placed a aw-hoax warning on the user's page in question. Regardless if the document was fake or not, I was concerned enough that it warranted my making a call to ASIO to inform them that a document purporting to be classified was in the public realm.

Some discussion has taken place on both the user in question and my talk pages, to which after some discussion with persons and those with friends 'in the know' on these matters, I was reasonably convinced that the document was indeed a fake for a number of reasons. Despite the issues being clearly laid out, the user has failed to understand the WP:NOR and WP:V issues in this matter and persists to push the tried and true I believe that the public have a right to see this document and will be fighting for them to do so line. The user in question has indicated their desire to take the matter to third opinion dispute resolution. I'd be open to here what some of the more experienced project members think about this issue, and the manner in which it was handled. Thewinchester (talk) 12:40, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The funny bit is that the public can see it on any of the websites where it is hosted. I agreed with Thewinchester that it was unsuitable for Wikipedia, although I should clarify I didn't comment on the particular action taken in the above instance. I've since weighed in on both talk pages with my opinion. Orderinchaos 12:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thewinchesters action are reasonable in the circumstances, the source of the letter fails WP:RS. Documents from government agencies should only be officially released material or material sourced via a reliable third party aka a recognised media outlet, published book. Gnangarra 13:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Australian transport navbox consolidation

For the interest of WA editors, i've opened up discussion on AWNB on consolidation of Australia's transport navboxes. This has been prompted by the creation of yet another transport-related navbox this morning which has infested a number of Perth transport articles. Your thoughts and input on the matter before I go ahead with this would be appreciated. Thewinchester (talk) 04:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ghost Towns Western Australia

Hi all. This article may be of some interest to this project - Ghost Towns Western Australia. It probably needs a little bit of TLC but the topic sounds interesting. -- Mattinbgn/ talk 05:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like a cut and paste of older versions of the existing articles - it needs to be fixed so that each one is in summary form with a {{main|X, Western Australia}} link to the primary article on each town. Orderinchaos 06:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'd prefer this article to go entirely and move detail back into the town articles. And create a Category:Ghost towns in Western Australia (subcat of Category:Ghost towns in Australia). —Moondyne 14:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In its current state I'd only just agree with Moondyne - if it had shown any broader larger picture of the ebb and flow of mining communities in general - and had Wittenoom (and the closing down politics) I would have argued for a very strong keep, as it could have been specifically an article with significance - maybe another article, another day to deal with the processes that create them in the first place SatuSuro 01:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OOOps it pays to read the item first and then write? yes? OK so it does have Wittenoom -
(1) I agree with a category as proposed as by Moondyne
(2) I dont agree with a 'list' article as it is - but I would prefer to see a small article introducing and providing an overview the subject and linking the various townsites - rather than including ad hoc tourist info on bits and pieces. It is salient that the first edit made on this article appeared to be was not followedup - not a good sign.
(3) Having tagged a few cats, get intrigued by cats with no linked articles, my reason for wanting one, cheers SatuSuro 01:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Western Australia/Selected biography suggestions

Im about to fill in the first 10 entries of the biography section of the WA portal. I thought I'd get some suggestions first. Any ideas Hossen27 08:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What a great question! Here's my top 14 (If you have to have 10, you choose which ones to drop, because I can't ;)...
  1. Yagan Green tickY
  2. Moondyne Joe
  3. C.Y. O'Connor Green tickY
  4. Alan Bond (businessman)
  5. Charles Court
  6. David Brand
  7. Lang Hancock
  8. John Forrest
  9. Edith Cowan
  10. John Septimus Roe
  11. James Stirling (Australian governor)
  12. William Dampier
  13. Willem de Vlamingh
  14. James Mitchell (Australian politician)

—Moondyne 08:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No 14 is fine. I'll wait a bit for other suggestions, though, most of those will be on everyone's list. Hossen27 08:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Brand, Mitchell and de Vlamingh are barely more than stubs, so if you want to drop some, there's three. —Moondyne 13:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No disrespect to the folks I'd say Edith Cowan as she is the odd one out - I'd suggest the next 10 need to be women ! SatuSuro 13:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The stub articles can be dropped no problem there, the selected bio really needs a image, that limits some in the list right now. There's no actual limit on how many we can have, its just the more you have the less frequent each article appears. The women idea is feasible though. Hossen27 14:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Geraldton area

I'll be up around Dongara, Geraldton, Northampton and Kalbarri mid-year, if anyone has any requests for photos (noting I do not have a car) additionally to Geraldton suburbs, please let me know. Orderinchaos 17:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hi all... I've just started editing under a username, I was previously known as all sorts of little number groups making small corrections to articles. I'm just dropping a note here regarding the Culture categories. I have created a new category "Culture in Western Australia" to house the cultural sections of the WA and Perth Wikipedia projects, as they all seemed to be floating around ekeing out their own separate existences and were thoroughly tangled! Also sorted out the 100% redundancy between "Media in Perth, Western Australia" and "Radio stations in Perth" (the latter seems a more logical place, and it is a subset of Media in Western Australia anyway). If anyone has any suggestions or requests or ideas I'm all ears! Zivko85 11:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Railway line diagrams

Ok, after stumbling upon the German railway template this afternoon which is nearly complete in migration from de.wp, i've decided to have a crack at implementing it. Joondalup railway line, Perth is my first crack at the beast, and i'd be pleased to hear your feedback as to what you think about it's use in the Perth rail line articles. Cheers, Thewinchester (talk) 08:24, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea if its correct or not but it looks bloody good. Well done. —Moondyne 08:29, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The worst thing, I did all of that by hand... before reading further down the documentation and realising that someone with some brains had thrown together an application to make doing it a whole lot easier. Sigh! Thewinchester (talk) 08:42, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Looks great to me! Well done. Orderinchaos 08:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Its great - well worth the hard work. Pity its antithetical to the direction in reality, I would have thought from the bottom up to correspond to south to north. Ok you have a few more lines to do now :) SatuSuro 09:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fremantle Line has been completed (and that was a complete and utter bastard to do}, and the Transperth railway lines template is being progressively flipped for TransperthRailwayLines2 which is included in the line diagram box. As for line info within the block, i'll take a further look at what the Germans have done to see how this can be handled the best way. No point in re-inventing the wheel. Thewinchester (talk) 12:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perth Airport

Ok, just as an FYI I have now made my third revert this month to the above article. There are a number of anon ip's who seem to have this odd beleif that Virgin Atlantic had committed to use the new Boeing 787 Dreamliner to fly PER-LHR non-stop. I've had to look into this, and the airline only ever indicated that the plane in question could enable non-stop flights on this and outer long haul routes. If you have Perth Airport on your watchlist and see edits similar to this crop up, please remove them as vandalism. I've also addressed this issue on the article's talk page. Cheers, Thewinchester (talk) 10:25, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aquinascruft

After a conversation with Orderinchaos this evening, I've decided to create an essay on Aquinascruft. It was first coined by Hasperian in this AfD. Considering the sheer number of school related issues which I see day in day out in AfD, it was high time someone got round to writing an essay which can be used to quickly cover the policy issues relating to them. Enjoy. Thewinchester (talk) 12:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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