Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Atabek

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Statement of the dispute

Atabek (talk · contribs) has continuously attacked me by making false accusations, personal attacks, and canvassing to tarnish my image on Wikipedia. He has attempted to divide Wikipedia along ethnic lines, made inappropriate comments, frequently distorts and manipulates Wikipedias rules and policies, and engages in POV and OR. His behavior has not changed the slightest bit since the arbcom. I'm tired of being subject to such abuse and harassment on an almost daily basis. I have talked to several admins about this over a period of a couple months and have only got a small reaction. Thus, I have concluded that an RFC is the best course of action to take at this stage.

Desired outcome

Atabek was previously involved in an arbcom in which he was close to being blocked for a period of one year, but was not for reasons that I do not know. I will show diff's of Atabek's disruptive behavior since the arbcom, especially towards me, and in accordance with those diff's, the reasonable remedy would be for proposed arbcom decision to be carried out. He has not changed his behavior in the slightest way since the arbcom, and it seems as though the initial plea not to allow him to get away with a revert parole was warrented.

You can find the proposed block here.

Description

User:Atabek has recently initiated a defamation campaign against me. He has made false accusations, personal attacks, and has even canvassed in order to find an administrator sympathetic to him. He frequently misuses and abuses Wikipedia's rules and policies, and often tries to distort them to fit his situation. He is rude on talk pages, doesnt read other users posts, and is not willingness to show an ounce of respect for other users. In just the past few days, he has gone to four different administrators (canvassing), made countless false accusations, and several personal attacks. I am afraid that his canvassing has already given me a bad image in the eyes of several administrators. Note that in the real world, what Atabek did is a serious offense and could have ended up with a lawsuit, so I do not want users reading this taking this lightly.

Furthermore, Atabek has attempted to split Wikipedia up along ethnic lines, telling or implying to me what I should or should not edit based on ethnicity/nationality.

Evidence of disputed behavior

The following sections will outline all of Atabek's disruptive behavior on Wikipedia, especially regarding attacks against me. As this incident intensified only in the past few days, I have chosen to only post evidence regarding specifically to the past few days.

Canvassing

First it should be noted that Atabek went on a canvassing spree and made the same false accusations on several administrator talk pages in order to find someone sympathetic to him:

False accusations

on User:Tariqabjotu's talk page

Many of the false accusations can be viewed on User:Tariqabjotu's talk page, the link is posted above. The following quotes are all by User:Atabek, I have not altered them in any way, shape or form, and come from User:Tariqabjotu's talk page unless stated otherwise. Be aware that these are only some of the instances where he has made such comments (he has made alot on the Safavids talk page too, satarting from the section which this link takes you to), it would take me a long time to find all of them as they are spread over many articles, but these should suffice. Some of these false accusations include (I will also post the comments):

Vandalism: "I am writing this to complain about User:Hajji Piruz (formerly User:Azerbaijani), who has recently vandalized my user page"
Supporting a banned user: "User:Azerbaijani also supported anon IP sockpuppets of the banned User:Tajik"
POV pushing and OR edits: "This user is only involved in pages related to Azerbaijan, and on all of them POV pushing and wasting contributor's time with unscholarly edits." and on the on the Safavids talk page ("As long as Hajji Piruz (Azerbaijani) and his flock don't stop their unencyclopedic POV and OR edits on this and other pages, looks we will not get anywhere on a scholarly front.")
Attacking users: "If he is unable to deal with content issues on various pages, he should request assistance of arbitration or dispute resolution, instead of attacking users." --- "It's part of his larger scale attack upon myself and several other users on practically all talk pages."
Personal attacks: "So you're the one to apologize here for vandalizing my page and actually attacking me personally."
Blackmail: "You're the one attacking, blackmailing, and harassing me, I have no interest in communicating with you outside content discussions."
Intimidation: "...is nothing more than intimidation and harassment of personality." and on User:Bobak's talk page ("...obviously intimidating me...")
Edit warring and spoiling consensus version of articles: on User:Thatcher131's talk page ("The anon IP edits are often endorsed only by User:Hajji Piruz (formerly User:Azerbaijani), who is engaged in heavy edit warring after ArbCom on several pages and tries hard to spoil consensus version.") and on User:Dmcdevit's talk page ("These provocations of User:Hajji Piruz, a.k.a. User:Azerbaijani, have to be stopped. It took us so long to achieve consensus at Safavid dynasty, many of us ended up in ArbCom because of it, and finally had stable version for the past month or so.")
Use of meat and sock puppets: on User:Dmcdevit's talk page ("I don't have physical evidence, but based on behavior and support of User:Hajji Piruz, formerly User:Azerbaijani, he is obviously meatpuppeting/coordinating with these groups.")
No useful contributions to Wikipedia: on User:Bobak's talk page ("To be frank, dealing with this user is a waste of time for me, he is only after hunting and blackmailing certain users rather than contributing anything useful to the articles.") and on the Safavids talk page ("It will ease up your "work", since your other useful contributions to Wikipedia articles, apart from embitterment or ethnic POV, are close to 0."

Now notice how he denies all of this later on: "I didn't make accusations against Hajji Piruz" and "So why don't you, please, ask Hajji Piruz to first read these before he tries to intimidate me on my user page, and before him further accusing me of attacking him"

I have asked him 18+ times to bring evidence to support his claims against me. So far, he has brought nothing that proves any of his allegatoins, yet he still continues to go around making these accusations. At what point, I ask you, does this become a personal attack?

Refuting his false allegations

Now I will proceed to comment on and disprove some of his (based on the numbering of the accusations above, for numbers 2 through 9, Atabek did not show one piece of evidence to support his accusations):

1) Atabek claims I vandalized his user page. I made three small edits to his user page, and one was a remedy of a minor mistake I had made. Here is the diff of all three: [5]

Atabek claims that that is vandalism. In what way is that vandalism? Its not. Atabek has had a confirmed sockpuppet, User:Tengri, which has no been blocked indefinetly: [6].

The Category clearly states: "This category shows users which have been found to have created multiple accounts, or sockpuppets, to abuse Wikipedia policies, or are strongly suspected to have done so."

Clearly, I did nothing wrong by adding the category to his user page, and my edits certainly were not vandalism. Upon insisting that my edits on his user page were vandalism and the continued false accusations, Tariqabjotu responded on his talk page saying "No he is not. Did you even look at what you were reverting?" [7]

Later on he attempts to manipulate and distort Wikipedia's policies regarding user pages to fit his stance, but I will address that in another section, along with his other abuses of Wikipedia's rules and policies.

2) Atabek claims I was supporting a banned user on the Safavids article. First of all, whether the IP user was a former banned user or not is questionable, but the only edits of that anon that I supported were the anons grammatical, spelling, and Wikilinking edits, all of which were perfectly legitimate and improved the article. Atabek reverted the anon blindly and did not heed anyones comments on the talk page. This prompted User:Bushytails to make several comments on the Safavids article, criticizing Atabeks behavior: [8] , [9] , and [10]

The Ironic thing is that I was actually trying to help him and his buddies out by telling another usre to discuss his/her edits first before making edits to the controversial article: "I left Ariana a message asking him to discuss his edits from now on for this article: [11]" on Safavid dynasty talk page

-->As with 2, Atabek has never produced a single shred of evidence to support any of his allegations 3,4,5,6,7,8,9.

10) Atabek has claimed that I have made no useful contributions to Wikipedia at all, yet a simple look at my user page contradicts that. So far, I have created 36 articles, two templates, and three categories. On top of that, I have made significant contributions to six articles and countless contributions overall. And if we were to compare Atabek's contributions to mine, it'll be pretty evident who makes the least contribution, so i dont know why he would even make such a comment.

Attempting to divide Wikipedia along ethnic/national lines

Atabek has attempted to divide Wikipedia along ethnic lines. He has several times told me or implied to me that I should not edit Azerbaijan related articles.

On Tariabjotu's talk page he implies that I cannot edit articles related to Azerbaijan (interestingly, his accusation is contradicted by my edits, I edit Caucasian and Iranian related articles): "This user is only involved in pages related to Azerbaijan"[12]

Disruptive editing

The following are disruptive edits on the Safavids article. They are pertinent to this case because when I objected to his reverts, he proceed to attack me with the usual false accusations and personal attacks.

1)Atabek reverted the edits of User:Kansas Bear, which included the addition of an entire section, just to undo small changes by another user: [13] He then asks Kansasbear to redo his edit: "Kansas Bear, you can make your architecture edits over this version." [14]

2)Atabek reverted the legitimate edits by an anonomous user which actually improved the article, and calls it vadalism: [15]

That prompted User:Bushytails to involve himself and make several comments:

"Atabek: Vandalism has a rather well-defined meaning... and fixing errors in an article isn't it. Looking at the contributions by User:82.83.145.243, most of them, within my admittedly limited knowledge of this topic, are perfectly reasonable edits, improving spelling, fixing links, re-wording things, and generally working to improve the article. Even if you disagree with them, they're certainly not vandalism. Unless I see a shred of evidence that you're reverting them for a good reason, I'll probably revert back to them, as the article looked better before you reverted it."[16]

"Umm. How, exactly, is moving where the language the population spoke down ten words a bad faith edit? How is it even relevant enough to matter where, if anywhere, it is in the introduction? If that's the worst edit you think he did, it's hard to see that you're doing anything other than arguing for the sake of arguing. Don't make this end up in WP:LAME."[17]

"Nope, not aware of anything. I just saw atabek make some suspicious reverts while I was patrolling recent changes, and had never heard of any of these users or this article until then. From what I can tell, most of the changes made by the anon user were perfectly acceptable, and without some proof they're disruptive, should not have been reverted. I notice another user has since improved some of the grammar problems, originally fixed by the anon user, and re-added when atabek reverted it...However, since the article has been edited a fair bit since then, I'm not going to just revert back to the anon's version. User:82.83.145.243: Why don't you create a subpage (either off this article or in your userspace), based on the current version, with your edits? That way, if people like them (and "OMG they moved a minor piece of information to the second sentance!" isn't a reason not to like them), I or another editor can copy it over to the article." [18]

Personal attacks

Atabek has made many personal attacks. Here I will list a few of them. These include attacks against me and other users:

I had attempted to resolve the dispute on Atabek's talk page, but he simply removed my comments and called them "garbage": [19]
Puts my former name in quotation marks (this was one of the reasons why I had to have my name changed from Azerbaijani to Hajji Piruz, to avoid the constant personal attacks): [20]
Another personal attack against me: "Actually, you're no authority (neither admin nor mediator) to make or not make something sure about users treating each other. But anyways, good luck with ambitions, I shall simply ignore you, since you just don't understand much." [21]

Other

Atabek has also harassed me by posting in places that have nothing to do with him simply to attack me:

Atabek's comment on a 1rr report that had absolutely nothing to do with him, again making his false accusations: [22]
After his attacks against me on the Safavids article, simply for acknowledging that the anon's edits were legitimate, Atabek makes a "revenge" attack on the History of Azerbaijan article by reverting an edit based on a consensus that I had come to with User:Tombseye (the edited which he reverted, note that the removal of that text was justified by agreement between User:Tombseye and I: [23]) His comment made everything clear: "Just like you do on Safavid page, no consensus is final" [24] This is despite the fact that I did nothing to alter the Safavids article, he further insists on making his false accusation.

Also, user Tariqabjotu has commented on some of Atabek's accusations on Atabek's talk page, telling Atabek that the anon on the Safavids article is not me and tell him that I am not attacking, blackmailing, or harassing: [25] (Tariqabjotu's last comment is in regards to Atabeks comment which is in the middle)

Manipulation and distortion of Wikipedia's rules and policies

Atabek has not only violated Wikipedia's rules and policies, but he has also attempted several times to spin Wikipedia's rules and policies in order to fit his own situation and to put me in a bad light. I will only talk about WP:AGF and Wikipedia:User page as they have been used a lot by Atabek recently.

Atabek continuously tells me to assume good faith. He tells me this whenever he reports me to an admin, whenever he reverts an article, in almost every discussion we have, etc... He wants me not to dispute anything he does. He is attempting to use this rule in order to prevent anyone from questioning his contributions.

However, a part of WP:AGF that Atabek never quotes nor even acknowledges, is this part:

This guideline does not require that editors continue to assume good faith in the presence of evidence to the contrary. Actions inconsistent with good faith include repeated vandalism, confirmed malicious sockpuppetry, and lying. Assuming good faith also does not mean that no action by editors should be criticized, but instead that criticism should not be attributed to malice unless there is specific evidence of malice. Editors should not accuse the other side in a conflict of not assuming good faith in the absence of reasonable supporting evidence.[26]

As I have outlined, Atabek has a confirmed sock (User:Tengri), he has lied, and some would consider some of his latest edits to the Safavids article to be vandalism. Despite the fact that AGF does not apply to him, he continuously goes to other users and administrators telling them that I am not assuming good faith with regards to him in an attempt to damage my image here on Wikipedia.

With regards to Wikipedia:User page, Atabek attempted to "prove" that I vandalized his user page (which I didnt) by selectively quoting what the rules actually say.

Here is his comment on Tariqabjotu's talk page:

"I would like to apologize to Tariq for overwhelming his talk page with this discussion. But this thread just gives a flavor what many editors have to deal with, where this User:Hajji Piruz, aka User:Azerbaijani is involved. If he needs evidence, here are few excerpts from Wikipedia:User page, which he chose to ignore, while vandalizing my user page:

"by convention your user page will usually not be edited by others"
"in general it is considered polite to avoid substantially editing another's user page without their permission"
"users may object and ask you not to edit their user pages, and it is probably sensible to respect their requests"

Thanks."

None of those rules actually apply to this situation in any way that they could possibly be used by Atabek against me. Remember that Atabek accused me of vandalizing his user page. My edits, as posted above, were far from vandalism. They were neither substantial, nor did Atabek every tell me prior to me editing his user page that I could not. The very same rules he posted in his defense actually prove that I did nothing wrong. Unfortunately, Atabek continued to attempt to use those rules to "prove" that I was committing vandalism.

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Hajji Piruz 19:54, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think I could really consider myself involved and I don't mean to take Piruz's side, but the dispute is definitely here. After a lengthy discussion on my talk page (primarily between the two involved users), the two seem to still be at a stalemate. I suggested WP:CEM, but they opted for this. Alright fine. -- tariqabjotu 23:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, I am sorry that User:Hajji Piruz (formerly User:Azerbaijani) is trying to waste community's time yet again with this RfC with a single purpose to get me banned for a year. He clearly expressed his personal objective here [27], even goes as far as alleging corruption on behalf of administrators or other users.

My points:

There is no real ground for this dispute, actually it started from User:Hajji Piruz/User:Azerbaijani editing my user page [28]. As you can clearly see, adding this on my page after 6 months and after ArbCom case, when this was all set straight, this user tried nothing other than intimidating me.

This person has attacked me at several instances on Talk:Safavid dynasty, the most grotesque ones are here:

1) calling my edit a vandalism [29];

2) [30], calling me Grandmaster's buddy without any proof.

I would like to highlight that as opposed to User:Hajji Piruz/User:Azerbaijani, who changed his username to try to get his block log and ArbCom history cleared, I wasn't blocked once after ArbCom for any form of violation. I am not afraid of my block log, neither use it to haunt other people.

User:Hajji Piruz/User:Azerbaijani has tried the same, futile intimidation effort, with User:Dacy69, so seems like he is taking this on personal basis and along national lines, unable to deal with editing concerns. Rather than assuming any good faith, this user actually refuses to do so. In fact, despite the attacks by User:Hajji Piruz/User:Azerbaijani, I have asked him to assume good faith [31]. The response from him was that he does not need to assume good faith [32].

Finally, again [33], while I am trying to disengage and continue on editing Wikipedia, this user is still looking for supporters to disrupt my editing. I have no interest in discussions or disputes with him because he simply does not understand how much of community's time he is wasting. I said this and stand by my words which he recited, I shall simply ignore him from now on. Atabek 00:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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