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IFD

Question, how do you find most of the images that you placed on IFD? Zscout370 (talk) 19:42, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • shrugs* Just looking through page histories, user contribs, that sort of thing - SoM 23:14, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. I found a page that is called Special:Unusedimages that list images that are not in use. I am not sure how that works, but I think those who clear images should look at this. Zscout370 (talk) 02:07, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wikimedal

Umm, so you want to see yellow, eh? Here you go:

Personally, I like the first, more 3-D'ish medal. The idea of a medal is a good one. But, I also think that we need to avoid a huge amount of awards that no one is awarded. For an example, look at the Surreal Barnstar: only two people have recieved it, and one of them was done in jest. Do we need more barnstars? How about just the topical barnstars, which seem more useful? Just a thought.

Oh, and sorry about the overzealous archiving on Talk: Pope Benedict XVI. I guess I went a little archive crazy there. I'll try to condense some of the archives tomorrow, since it's pretty late now. Good night. Bratschetalk random 04:19, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

  • It is ok about the archives; I know I asked you earlier, and even awarded you, for the archivies. I still thank you for working with me on that. If you want the medal to be 3-D is, make and and show it off to our members. Once we are done with a few VoD situations, we can have one of those for the Wikimedia. Also, I am just trying to clear off Barnstar topics off our plate, so we can focus on other topics. Plus, we do have a campaign called the Kindness Campaign (there is a link on my main page.) We are trying to promote passing out of the awards, and we try to pass out awards ourself. Zscout370 (talk) 10:55, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

WP:IS

Thanks for finding source images on the net. Any possibility you can put URLs linking to web pages of the sites on which you're finding the images ... easier for others to double check than backtracking from a gif to the parent html file. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

Sure, I can do that. Also, it is my pleasure to help yall in the Image Sluething. I spend a lot of time on Google, so why not put it into a very good use. Zscout370 (talk) 18:12, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You have been nominated by the party to be put up for deletion.--Jianq 00:33, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Jianq is presumably the same guy who was impersonating you the other day - now he is impersonating User:Jiang. He's been blocked, again. Adam Bishop 00:35, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Adam. BTW, I put myself on the People for Deletion. I meant it as a joke, but I would love to see what people write on it, still. Well, as for the imposter, damn, I could not tell the difference to be honest with ya. Zscout370 (talk) 00:38, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me--Jiang 01:15, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I thank Adam for pointing this out to me. Zscout370 (talk) 01:34, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hammer and sickle

Agreed. A vote makes sense I suppose. I still think for templates, stylized images look better, which is why I support the hammer and sickle as it is right now. For anything else (I think there's a hammer and sickle article), the image you produced makes more sense. Anyways, peace :)-- Revolutionary Left | Che y Marijuana 23:33, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and I never reverted it myself, I simply improved on it once someone did revert it :P I have respect for the work you did, so I avoided reverting.-- Revolutionary Left | Che y Marijuana 23:34, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)
I will pass on the vote, I am fine with this image. Though I personally think the image should be moved from Hammer sickle clean to Hammer sickle. I see your point, so I will just move on. Is there anything else I can do for you or any pages dealing with Communism that I could edit? Zscout370 (talk) 23:37, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sockpuppet template

Go ahead. Ot sounds like a rtaher prudent idea. --Neutralitytalk 03:25, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Image:BSA-logo.jpg

If I may ask, why did you even replace it? It's the same logo, only smaller. --Kitch 19:28, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

True, and plus the new image is in the PNG format. From what I was told before, still graphic images should be in PNG format, animated images in the GIF format and photographs in JPEG format. Zscout370 (talk) 19:30, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Yushchenko OurUkraine.jpg

Thanks for your message on my talk page. I'm sure this is an official portrait and I think the best would be consider its use on Wikipedia as "fair use". I think the uploader could agree to that also. Perhaps it would be the best if a third party added the appropriate "fair use" tag on the image description since my edits are reverted. If everybody was happy with that, the issue could be removed from WP:CP. Thuresson 23:25, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your quite welcome. I placed the Fairuse tag on the image, and I hope that will be alright for you. If so, then I am glad we got this image off of your list. Plus, I need to work with you and several others to start getting flag images ready to move from this Wiki into the Commons. Zscout370 (talk) 23:34, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You mean replacing local image files of flags with the flags on WikiCommons? Me and two others did that on se: wikipedia which was very time consuming (I did South America and Africa) but worth it since a) the flags on Commons are larger and b) correct colors, the local US flag used to be red, white and violet. Thuresson 00:43, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah. However, I notice many of the flag images placed on Wikipedia and the WikiCommons are incorrect in some manners. I hope replacing flag images are easy. Plus, do we really need the flag images with a 300 pixel height? I had some people tell me that is not really needed now, due to the expanded server sizes. I think we need to have a little get together to find out what should be done. Plus, I am willing to help you with the image moving. I am currently doing that now with Image:Flag of the Soviet Union.png. Zscout370 (talk) 00:53, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
We used almost exclusively the flags uploaded by Marc Mongenet. He has uploaded flags from every country in the world, they have a clear license and source and all of them are called Image:Country flag 300.png. About the size; usually only thumbnails of flags are used but sometimes flags have small details where a large file is helpful, e.g. the AK-47 in the flag of Mozambique. It is also my understanding that sometimes it is not clear exactly which flag proportions are correct or the exact shade of the colours. Thuresson 01:21, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's good that the issue with the image got resolved. Thanks for "arbitration". Sashazlv 01:23, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thuresson: Ok, if that is the case, then I will try to modify the flags that Marc has uploaded to make sure ratios are right, colors are right. I have "worked" with Marc before on the Commons. I have some flag images that I uploaded here, so I will just transfer them over using Wikimedia Commonplace. Zscout370 (talk) 01:26, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sashazlv: You are quite welcome. If you need help with other images, or anything else really, just let me know and I will see what I can do. Zscout370 (talk) 01:26, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

BoNM 2

Hey Zach. I noticed you reuploaded the image of the BoNM. You said you "fixed the image with transparency". It could be my untrained eye (or bad memory), but I swear I can't tell any difference. Is there something significant that I should have noticed? Redux 21:48, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I downloaded the GIMP program, which allows for image editing. I was told that on browsers like Internet Explorer, transparent PNG files are not possible. On browsers like FireFox, it is possible. I am just doing many transparencies as I can, plus it is a good thing too that people cannot really tell the difference. Zscout370 (talk) 21:51, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Lulu

I've left a report on the styles vote page for now. I'm going to bed (am in work in 7 hours!!!). So I'll let someone else have the pleasure of doing an RfC on him tonight. But if someone doesn't I might do it tomorrow. FearÉIREANN 00:54, 3 May 2005 (UTC) [reply]

Since you have more issues with Lulu, and I mainly more of a witness, you can do the RfC whenever you want. I am not sure where we can announce the RfC, except on the user pages of the folks that edit with us on Benedict XVI and the styles page. Zscout370 (talk) 01:01, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Drawings

Hi Zach - you wrote I went to your website, you did some pretty good drawings. I was wondering how much do they usually go for. There was one that caught me and my mothers eye, it was Nude Study II (Jessica). It was odd, since my cousin is also named Jessia. My mom smirked and said that she did know you :) Also, I will try to mail your items this week...

No hurry - you have got my address, haven't you? As to the drawings, sadly Nude Study II's been sold, but I do have a very similar one based on the same set of drawings (Jessica, BTW, is local actress Jessica Sutherland, who was a model for the local art society's life drawing classes). As to how much they sell for, mounted they go for about $70-80NZ (that's around $50-57US). Unmounted they sell for about $60NZ (a little over $40US). If you're thinking of getting one, it would be much easier and cheaper to send it to the US unmounted and get it mounted there. Grutness|hello? 02:50, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I do have your address. I do not know if I want to buy artwork now, but I do love what you make. But I wish you could do flag drawings (your choice of nations). I will easily pay for one in the future. Zscout370 (talk) 03:04, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This might interest you

I've nominated Papal Tiara as a featured article. I'd be interested in your opinion, especially that Lulu of Lala Land seems to think you are part of some big Catholic conspiracy on wikipedia. lol FearÉIREANN 18:52, 3 May 2005 (UTC) [reply]

If that is the case, well, I am not part of any type of conspiracy. I, just like Lulu, follow no religion (but now, I am trying to become a Catholic). However, unlike Lulu, I do not mind calling the Pope the Holy Father and other respectable names. I am not offended if someone talks about their faith, or shows expressions of it. Though I think Lulu is trying to stick to his guns, I will stick to mine. I guess with the way I help revert the article when the style is removed, my choice of voting on the style page, he decided I am a Catholic POV pusher. I was considered to be a Zoinist POV pusher, since I reverted very Arab POV in pages dealing with flags.
As for this page, I love it. I will vote in its support for the FA status, and I am glad the Vatican flag image I made being used nicey on this page. Zscout370 (talk) 20:17, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User:Spastika

Thanks for the heads-up. Jayjg (talk) 20:59, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your welcome. I hope this is not a sockpuppet of Islamofacist, but I hope this ends soon. Zscout370 (talk) 21:16, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Problem

It certainly does walk the tightrope: it's somewhat offensive, and leaves a threat-like aftertaste. At this time, however, I'm hesitant without more reason than a single post. – ClockworkSoul 23:26, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • He and Tagteam sure act like socks, though. – ClockworkSoul 23:27, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I guess that they are, since they mainly have been targeting the same pages: List of national flags and Gallery of national flags by adding the Palestine flag to them. There is no consensus about the flags addition to both pages. Both users seem to back up one another, while accusing myself and a few others of gang POV pushing (probably they think I have a pro-Zionist POV, just like some people think I have a pro-Catholic/Vatican/Papist POV). I just mainly want this to be brought to your attention and I hope something can be done out of this. Zscout370 (talk) 23:31, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Personal Attack

thanks for notifying me. This comes from a group of sockpuppets that go around mass reverting articles related to Taiwan... I saw that accusation when the user first posted it, but the idea was so ridiculous that I didn't know what to make out of it. I will file a RfC of this group of users comes back and starts mass reverting again. --Jiang 08:08, 6 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is almost as bad as the possible group of users/sockpuppets who continue to the put the Palestine flag and make other pro-Arab pov edits. Man, I just wish it all stopped. Zscout370 (talk) 13:38, 6 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations

You are number 8 on the new "Movers and Shakers" list of users with the largest jumps in main space edit rank. You've been very busy, I can see! – ClockworkSoul 19:09, 6 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. Is this something I can place on my User page, or will this information change? Zscout370 (talk) 19:14, 6 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

New template

I created a new template I think you might be interested in: {{impostor}}. – ClockworkSoul 21:40, 6 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Happy joy joy

File:Peaceful-Dove-223.jpg

Y'know, I was lookin for one of those drawings of doves one often sees... finding something with clear copyright is damn difficult. Certainly not a casual whim. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 01:30, 2005 May 7 (UTC)

It is alright, I like the peace offering. Zscout370 (talk) 01:38, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In a respectful way, I wonder if I cannot convince you to reevaluate your opinion on the style usage vote. You seem genuinely committed to NPOV, and none of us here wish to deny that styles are used, simply to move the usage from Wikipedia endorsement to factual reporting. I believe that if a few more editors would shift votes to alternatives 3 or 4, we could decide this matter as a genuine consensus rather than having only a narrow majority (yeah, it might take a followup yes/no vote or something; but it would still look better). Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 06:32, 2005 May 7 (UTC)

Choice three is in the lead right now, and what I will do is if the vote is put up again, I can possibly switch the vote. I really hope that each page gets to decide, because there are people who use styles that are recognized by the world and there are some people who were styled only by a certain group of people. Zscout370 (talk) 10:50, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm hoping we might get some guidance from the Wikimedia Foundation on what is an acceptable NPOV solution if the outcome of the survey is too divided to form a consensus. Whig 08:21, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for answering quickly it would be great if you could upload the images to commons, thanks :)--Fito 01:50, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

I am doing that as I speak. Also, the images can be modified to fit the templates that Wikipedia En Espanol uses. Zscout370 (talk) 01:55, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

About your star pictures

Hi, I'm an active user on the Spanish Wikipedia wondering if the star images (Image:Cscr-candidate.png, Image:Cscr-featured.png, and such) are free for use on the other Wikipedias. We're currently organizing our feautured articles and having templates similar to the ones on this wiki would be great. You can answer me either here or here.--Fito 01:46, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

Fito, they can be used on other Wikipedias. Clockwork, I can upload this image to the Wikimedia Commons for you. Zscout370 (talk) 01:48, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Fito: absolutely, you can take all of them you like. The original, unmodified versions are Image:Featured article star.png, Image:Featured article candidate .png, Image:Star piece.png, and Image:Former featured article candidate.png, if you want them. Zscout, if you wanted to upload them, that would be great. – ClockworkSoul 01:55, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Clockwork, the files have been uploaded to the Commons under the same LGPL license. I also think the original, unmodified, stars can also be uploaded. If we can create standard templates in all Wiki's, that will also be a good idea. Zscout370 (talk) 01:59, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks alot. I'm going to propose the template standarisation over there too.--Fito 02:07, May 7, 2005 (UTC)
I am sure you can probably present the templates that we use here, and if that works, I hope the other Wiki's follow suit. Plus, Fito, if you need anything from here and use it on Spanish Wikipedia, just let me, Clockwork or others know. Zscout370 (talk) 02:09, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I would be very honored if you did decide to use the recently created templated standardization scheme. As Zscout370 said, if there anything we can do to help, please do not hesitate to ask. – ClockworkSoul 02:18, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
K, thank you guys.--Fito 02:25, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

PCP

Hey, thanks for the re-writing of some text in the pagr of the Portuguese Communist Party, what do you mean with writing the page in a different way? Perhaps giving more relevance to present issues? Is that it? (Note: This was posted by User:Afonso Silva)

Well, I will look at how political party articles have been done on here, and I will show you on what I wish for the PCP article to look like. Zscout370 (talk) 10:51, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User impersonaters

Really, someone's been impersonating me? Amusing... Since when did I become so popular? : ) But seriously now, is this sporadic? Or part of a large scheme? How many users has this (or these) vandal(s) been impersonating? Drop me a note at my talk page. Regards - JMBell° 23:11, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The nerve.... Is there no way to permanently block him or at least prevent these provocative attacks? 84.154.51.36 14:13, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies - apparently, my browser didn't log me in. JMBell° 14:18, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
If this person who is doing this has a service like AOL or a proxy server, it will be hard to block. However, what I have done is registered many variations of my name, so they will not be hijacked by vandals. Also, just vigiliance will also help this problem. Zscout370 (talk) 14:22, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I really hope so. But it would be hard to register all the variations of all the usernames in Wikipedia, wouldn't it? And waste precious time... But he should get tired sooner or later (I hope). Good luck! JMBell° 21:07, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It was not really that hard: two got blocked already since it was another vandal, and I took two this past week. So, pretty much, it will be hard to do and make it not obvious. With many names that have ells and eyes, it will be a problem (like yours). Zscout370 (talk) 22:11, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. I just unearthed another impostor under the name of JMBeII. Requesting immediate block. JMBell° 17:31, 10 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
List him as an imposter, ask an admin to block him. I have no powers to do anything against the clone. Zscout370 (talk) 17:42, 10 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I already did. Funny, I thought I you were an administrator. Or are you? JMBell° 15:32, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, I am not an admin. I only been really working on the Wiki for a few months now. I sometimes help enforce rules, but I am not an admin. Sorry. Once I become admin, I will let you know. Zscout370 (talk) 16:05, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Islamofascism

There is no such thing as "Islamofascism". It's a slur thrown at Muslims, used because "fascist" is a catchall bad-guy word. There's no connection at all between "Islamist terrorism" and "fascists" of any kind whatsoever. I'd like you to source a connection if you disagree. Unless you do, I think it's fair to say that it's just our opinion that the two are in any way connected and that's not good enough for Wikipedia. Grace Note 08:56, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Islamofacsism is defined as "The term "Islamofascism" is a controversial political epithet. Those who use the term argue that it refers only to certain sects of Islam that are alleged to have fascist or totalitarian tendencies. Its critics argue that it is merely used to smear Islam with the negative connotations of the term fascist." My guess is that by some Islamic groups that are pulling off the terrorist activities (Hamas, Islamic Jihad), they are avdancing this idea that Islamic ideas will be spread across the nation, even by force. I do agree the word is made up and that it is a slur. But all I did that one day was to revert an edit by a vandal, but I can see how sensistive this word is. If if you have no problems, I will try to talk with others to include a link to this article at the bottom of the Islamist Terrorism page. Thanks for your response. Zscout370 (talk) 12:38, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Kiwidraw.jpg

Hi Zach... you wrote:To let you know, I am (painstakingly) trying to draw the Kiwidraw image into a png file. Zscout370 (talk) 03:35, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Painstaking? But it only took a few key-clicks... have a look at [[Image:kiwidraw.png]] Grutness|hello? 04:59, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Image:Chinese_Taipei_Sports_Disabled.JPG

I deleted my inferior version of the image so no need for ifd--Jiang 00:13, 10 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The symbol of the IPC changed, so that was why I redrew the image. Zscout370 (talk) 00:15, 10 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

New Zealand National Front

Thanks for your help with the NZNF article. Regarding the disputed photo, it is a strong example of the old saying that "a picture is worth a thousand words". Yes, user:Molloy (who usually signs his talk page entries though he rarely signs in anymore) is the same as the NZNF webmaster. I believe that there have been other attempts to suppress this photo, and I've even seen someone, perhaps Molloy, claim that Chapman (the NZNF leader who is kneeling holding the banner) was unaware that the people behind him were saluting. Right.... Cheers, -Willmcw 22:19, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

Well, mainly I wanted to present photos showing the NZNF doing activities, but clear of copyright issues. If those "people" were doing Nazi-salutes or not, that is not my main concern. I just want copyright issues to be cleared. I am part of the Image Sleuth Team, which our job is to find copyrights of images and find Fairuse/PD images for Wikipedia. I am glad to help, and it just makes me laugh about Malloy and others. Zscout370 (talk) 22:29, 10 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have an opinion on the fair use/fair dealing status of the banner image? -Willmcw 22:44, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
I seen it on forums, but probably uploaded by either Malloy or other NZNF members. I can be claimed as a promo video, but it feels like the NZNF does not want this image to be used. I do not know the clear copyright of any photo used on that site now, but I will do a Google search now. Zscout370 (talk) 22:48, 10 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. -Willmcw 23:13, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
I could not find anything, but I think just the images I showed you will be fine. I also put some on SlimVirgin's talk page, which you can take a peek at. Enjoy. Zscout370 (talk) 23:17, 10 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The Fight Dem Back blog seems to have a large collection of photos, but the copyright information is not carefully recorded. I'm not quite sure if you were expressing an opinion on fair use of the banner image. Cheers, -Willmcw 00:58, May 11, 2005 (UTC)
I will support the fair use of the image. If the NZNF people give us a hard time, I will find more stuff, or we can place a call out to Kiwi-Wikipedians to take photos of this group. Zscout370 (talk) 01:09, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you look through his history there are plenty of attacks; I don't take it particularly seriously, as I don't expect better from him anyway. Jayjg (talk) 14:38, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, at least we have more evidence against this user if a RfC happens (which I predict one will happen, but I will not start it). Zscout370 (talk) 15:59, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmmmmmm... - Molloy

FAC Support

Come and show your support at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ranks and Insignia of Starfleet. Thanks! -Husnock 07:19, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments on this. Can I talk you into an approve vote? Your one concern, about the photos, is valid unfortuntatly the photos are really that best that anyone can hope for as they are screenshots. The "really good photos" out on the interent are copyright by Paramount and people using them typically rip them off websites without permission. I was careful not to do that and verified that all pictures on the page were fairuse. So, if that was your only concern, maybe I can get you to change from comment to approve. Thank you in any event! -Husnock 14:42, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I can change the vote. All the concerns I had were addressed, so there is nothing else I object to. Zscout370 (talk) 14:46, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Thanks

Hi Zach. You are welcome. I truly believe it is true. I just apply my common sense. I Believe also the person who commented that is a nice one. He wasn't meaning it but the atmosphere was so tense, I believe. I hope we can deal with that article quickly as it seems now that the arguments are getting nonsense from the part of the so-called new user. Cheers and respect! Svest 19:49, May 11, 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up™ P.S. The ™ is just a joke ;)


Polish Barnstar of National Merit

The Polish Barnstar of National Merit, 1st Class
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this WikiAward was given to {{subst:PAGENAME}} by ~~~ on ~~~~~
I simply wanted to let you know that I created more of these. Sorry, no award this time :) Halibutt 04:17, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
It is alright, I mainly work on Russian articles anyways. As I said, I have ribbon bars for the Wikithanks, if you want them. I will upload them tonight, if you prefer. Zscout370 (talk) 04:18, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I think I will find some way to use the ribbons (hope they're yellow :) ). I think I prefer the flower for the simple thanks on the talk page, but a ribbon would be nice to show on people's user pages. BTW, have you seen my ribbon gallery? It was a sleepless night... Halibutt 05:12, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, they are yellow, but the other colors are supposed to show the inside parts of the flower. Right now, I am trying to draw all American ribbons (see Awards_and_decorations_of_the_United_States_military). But hey, if you need anything else, just let me know. Zscout370 (talk) 13:43, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

for the  :) Halibutt 03:36, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch. If you get other Wikipedia awards, just let me know and I can draw ribbons for them. Of course, if others want ribbons, send them my way or let them take yours. My ribbon images are GDFL and can be used on all Wiki projects. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:47, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: disputes

Hi, Zach. I haven't gotten too involved with this stuff so far (thankfully, I've managed to stay out of trouble). But I can tell you that a Request for Arbitration is the last step, so other steps should be tried first. Wikipedia:Dispute resolution discusses the options. If there are just two users in the dispute, then perhaps mediation would be a good start, although I think mediation hasn't been running too smoothly recently. But they can certainly give it a try. If that doesn't work, an RfC may be the way to go. You know, though, now that you mention it, I am not entirely certain how it would work. The RfC's I've participated in have all had a subject who was pretty clearly engaging in bad behavior. Sorry—I think you're going to ask someone else for more advice! — Knowledge Seeker দ 04:03, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cadet insig.

I am saving bandwith by unisng few small images that are used repetively. It uses less wiki hd space, less wiki bw, less user bw this way. --Cool Cat My Talk 21:31, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I am not quite sure if that is the case, but I respecr your opinion. I will ask you to leave the images that I have done so far, as like a test. If the people on the FAC agree with what I am doing, then I wish to ask for cooperation. If the people on the FAC side with you, you can revert anything that I have done and place many of the images that I placed on here on IFD. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 21:35, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

New BoNM

Hey Zach. Well, the new design does look good. But technically, the star at the tip of the ribbon is not a barnstar, which seems to complicate our calling it the "Barnstar of National Merit". In our new awards forum, we do tend to only call a "barnstar" the awards that feature an actual barnstar. What do you think?

That was why I included the hole in the center, thus making it look like a Barnstar, but stylized.

In a related topic, the newest recipient of the award seems to have gotten carried away and created (and added to the page) a Polish variant of the award. That is the exact opposite of everything that was discussed during the creation of the BoNM. I figure that person did not read the History of the BoNM that I added to the page. I was about to delete that entry and write him a note on his talk page, but I thought that maybe we should coordinate this, since more than one voice is always more convincing. I was thinking we should let him know that if he wants to design a Polish award to give out to his compatriots, or whoever he thinks deserves to get it, he can, but that will not be a wiki award, and thus cannot be featured in an wiki award page (especially if it appears to be a wiki award, or, given the appearance he gave to it, some sort of "sub-wiki" award :P). What about it? Regards, Redux 21:50, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I did not create the Polish BoNM, but I did add the section of the National Variants. The reason why is this: to not fight with people. Based on the experiences of the last time I awarded this award, I decided to just let people do what they wish. If he wants to award it, thats fine, but if you want the main image page to not have this picture on there, that is fine with me. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 21:53, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I do agree that sometimes the path of less resistence is the best way to go. Some things are just not worth the trouble that one may have to endure in order to get things done ideally. In this case, however, I believe that we should maintain the standard. When I proposed the first draft for the scope of what would become the BoNM, I had thought of a Brazil-centric award. This was immediately shot down by the people who were involved with discussing new awards. So we came up with a neutral award, that could apply to any country. If we start having those national variants listed in the award's page, we'll be essentially back to square one, with who-knows-how-many national awards, which just might end up replacing the BoNM in practice (picture it, every time someone wants to award someone else for work in the benefit of a country, they will want to use the country-specific award, and if it doesn't exist already, a new award will be created). I mean, we started that long discussion on category-specific awards and adopted those guidelines in order to prevent the proliferation of bad ideas and excentric awards that were being created unilaterally by people (remember the Prankstar and the "Hollywood Walk of Fame" award?). In light of all that, I really think that national variants for the BoNM are a very bad idea. Redux 03:49, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I know how you feel about it Redux, but I have little control of what other people do. I remember when someone awarded themselves a Hero of the Soviet Union inplace of the BoNM, I was stunned, but gave up. With this user, it was suggested to him by the person who gave it to him to draw it with the white and red ribbon, which envokes the flag of Poland. Even if I did not do what I did, the same things would have happened. I know this is something you will object too, but I think it is out of my hands. I will make sure national variations will not be listed on the main page, though I will allow it to be used at the Polish Wikipedian's Notice Board, if one such group exists. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:55, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you. Some things are just out of our control. Your proposal seems more than satisfactory: as I had said, we don't need to delete the Polish award altogether, but we can't have it listed as a wiki award, or in the page of a wiki award/barnstar, to avoid giving the idea that it is or may be one such award. Redux 04:37, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Starfleet

Hiya, cheers for message, my concern was based on viewing the page in a small browser window at work, anyway I've uploaded the problem (ie. the images should be single rather than several), here [1] hope it's not me being pedantic! Thx --PopUpPirate 23:36, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

I know what you mean and I want to fix it, though the person who originally uploaded the images does not think it is a problem. I do not know if the server speed will make a huge difference, but I will see what kind of magic I can pull off. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:50, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikicities?

Hi there! On VfD talk you mentioned something about schools in wikicities? Could you please elaborate, as it may be the solution to the long-standing shouting matches. Radiant_* 15:43, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

Well, many people put schools on here to show the schools exist, contact information. Wikicities is a good solution, since we can list school information for parents. We can list all schools, contact information, and perhaps two or three lines of basic information. Or, if there is a huge call of major information, I will support the creation of a new Wikimedia project: WikiSchools. We can list information about contacting them, test scores, notable opinions, and many other things. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 15:49, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
An example: Image I create a Wikicties Project for my town, Havelock, North Carolina. We can have a sub heading of schools inside the town: no matter what grades they teach or public/private status. There are four K-5 schools, two middle schools, one private school, one high school and one college. Though, whole articles about the schools might not work, until WikiShools is created. I do not even know how an entire WikiMedia Project is created, but I will see what I can do to make WikiSchools happen. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 15:53, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Another thought, just create a section on Wikicties called http://schools.wikicities.com/wiki/Main_Page, and that will solve our problems. Where should I pitch my idea to? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 16:03, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Crap, that won't work. I need to think this over Radiant, since this is harder than I thought it could be. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 16:05, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

fair use?

Mr. Z, please to give humble supplicant benefit of advice. I've posted the question here and there on wikipedia policy talk pages where it seemed appropriate, but never gotten a reply. How far does fair use of images, say magazine covers and album covers, for instance, go? I understand the rationale that Time magazine can't very well complain about a picture of their cover illustrating an article on Time Magazine, or of a picture of their cover with Ann Coulter on it illustrating an article on Ann Coulter, but it seems to me a bit shaky to do something like clip out the image of the shoe and use it to illustrate 'manolo blahnik' or whatever kind of shoe it is. Although there are many places I'd like to. (not with ann coulter, that's just an example). ??? Thanks. Gzuckier 18:27, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Magazine covers and cd covers are considered fair use, since they are used on various news reports to show the latest issue or CD. As long as we try to make the covers a size where it cannot be used for pirating, we credit where the image came from, we can claim fair use. As for the shoe, you can try to go to a shoe store and ask if you can take a photo of it. Also, if anyone owns that shoe, ask them to take a picture of it. Once we get those photos, we can tag them as GDFL or PD. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 18:43, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, but it's more like I would like to illustrate a lot more articles, and I see these magazine covers that have whatever it is I could use a picture of as a minor detail of the illustration; so that posting the entire cover to illustrate it would be silly ("Time magazine cover showing nose (on face of Ann Coulter)") but somehow, just cutting out the part I want seems like pushing the envelope of fair use a bit. Just wondering if there were any decided policies. Crop the picture but put a credit to the original? A link to the original? ?? Thanks again

Gzuckier 18:52, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your welcome. Your idea is fine enough, it should work. Credit the original, give copyright of the original if possible. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 18:55, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again. Watch for the servers to fill up now. Gzuckier 19:06, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Please, do not take my thoughts as policy. If policy contradicts me, just let me know. Plus, even if I do not say anything, many images will be uploaded on here and be declared fair use. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 19:09, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info

Thanks for the heads up - That anon made a mess of the VfD page. He splattered his repeated comments everywhere, even above the nominator! I sorted them out. He also tried to create the same article again under a different name (lower case). Another admin deleted it. - Tεxτurε 23:21, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your quite welcome. He has listed you, I and a few others who are trying to keep the page from vandalism got put on the WP:VIP page. Do not worry, I have posted comments that clears everyone of blame. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 23:24, 13 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Howdy. I noticed the, er, heated discussion at WP:VIP whilst adding some other actual vandals to the page, and came across your dispute with User:Hamidifar. I left a lengthy note on his talk page; tried to straighten things out a bit. Just so you know. android↔talk 00:20, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I know he is new to Wikipedia, but I guess he was miffed at how we enforce the rules here. I just hope I was being clear enough on the "vandalism" charges and also was not doing anything illegal myself. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:22, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Plus, I will fight tooth and nail to clear my name on listing of the VIP page. I know I made the reporting of real vandals hard, and I do apologize for that. But I will not allow people to try to circumvent our rules and try to exploit technology to get around the rules. If I allowed this to happen, I will see much other problems taking place. Man, I need a few cold ones after this fight. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:33, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you need to worry about clearing your name. Claiming VfD as vandalism is a pretty common newbie mistake (although all the fuss about this one article is pretty extraordinary), and all the shouting and conspiracy theories will just get ignored. android↔talk 00:35, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
All I get in return is personal attacks. Man, I wish it would end. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:40, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I give up after this last round, if it doesn't get through to him. It's too bad User:roozbeh isn't involved; he speaks the guy's language (literally). I think limited English ability is a serious factor here. android↔talk 00:44, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
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