Talk:King of the Hill

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Not Tibetan Buddhists

The show showed that Kahn worshipped the dali lama, but laotians are adherents to theravada buddhsim. Theravada are a diffrent sect and do not believe in the Dali Lama. Please add this to the error section. CanCanDuo 23:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

It would fit better if they were Theravada, but in one episode they take in some lamas and discuss who'd be the reincarnation of one. The process of finding one is like Tibetan Buddhism although the Dalai Lama is never specifically mentioned. I'm not sure he's mentioned in the entire series to be honest. Still any kind of lamaism might not fit Laotians, but despite that I think they handled Buddhism in a respectful way. Many shows just sort of make Buddhism a kind of Hollywood fad, but they treated more as the legitimate and ancient religion it actually is. I liked that, even if I'm Catholic. Also, judging by Kahn's mother, they might be like a lot of Buddhists in that they apparently have some pre-Buddhist folk traditions about spirits.--T. Anthony 08:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean 'worshipped' the Dalai Lama? I'd be happy to look back at a particular ep. if you have the #, but I don't think respecting/admiring or acknowledging the Dalai Lama in itself precludes any specific sect.. I think the show has done a more than decent job of representing Buddhism from what I've seen. TTTina 19:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

International Versions

The Quebecois version of the show, "Henri Pis Sa Gang", is not transplanted to Quebec. http://www.ledetour.ca/shows/shows.php?showName=kingOfTheHill

The text notes that the show is about a typical middle-class family from Texas. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.107.35.75 (talk) 22:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

Racial slur in King of the Hill article

How did a huge mistake get into the Wilkipedia "King of the Hill" article? Who is responsible for checking what goes into the articles, and if not why haden't SOMEBODY said something about this by now. In the fourth paragraph, in capital letters, is the word "NIGGER". This needs to be rectified immediately! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.130.156.189 (talk) 06:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

Sorry, the vandalism has been removed. It was added just a few hours ago, so it's understandable that nobody has noticed it until now. You could have even removed it yourself. :: ZJH ^{(T C E)} 06:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Peggy Hill

The "Peggy Hill" section in the main "King of the Hill" article says that Peggy can't speak Spanish. This is not true, she can speak the language, even if she mispronnounces some words. She has spoken Spanish on several occasions. In one episode, she even got a job answering phones in Spanish for Alamo beer. I still don't like her arrogance and egotism, but that's not the point. According to some characters other than Peggy, she can speak Spanish fluently. Also, it looks like the "Peggy Hill" article doesn't even mention her speaking Spanish.

Mathew Williams 06:14, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

A large portion of the humor relating to Peggy Hill is her attempt to speak Spanish. She always fails miserably, though - in one episode, she is on trial in Mexico, and her butchering of the language proves to the judge that her understanding is sufficiently poor to prove her ignorance - and hence, innocence. The fact is, she speaks as much Spanish as one would ordering dinner at Taco Bell. --Milton

Why would Alamo Beer hire her if her Spanish is so terrible? One employee said that she was fluent. I'm not disagreeing with you, I just think some episodes contradict each other. --Mathew Williams 10:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

They kind of seem to vary it a little. Although I think the Alamo people might have just been impressed, on the hotline, because her Spanish was better than normal for someone in a mostly white suburb. (They would've known where she was calling from I think) In the early seasons I got the sense that her Spanish was bad in the way you might expect for a substitute Spanish teacher in a small-town with few Spanish language speakers. In other words she could speak enough to teach kids a few phrases, and maybe even to get by in basic conversations, but spoke it in a highly accented and limited way. The Lupe/trial episode made her out to be totally ignorant, which was a bit poorer at it than I'd thought she was. (Although it was funny)--T. Anthony 11:39, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Texan Politicians

I've been searching for a credible source to document a very distinct feeling I get from watching the show--many of the characters are drawn and voiced to resemble famous Texan politicians.

• George Bush, Sr. -- Dale Gribble
• Lyndon Johnson -- Hank Hill
• Cotton Hill -- Ross Perot
• Tilly Mae Hill -- Ann Richards

But my impression would be considered original research. Has anyone seen this from a verifiable source?

SonPraises (talk) (contributions) 06:27, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that's a bit of a stretch. Dale was specifically drawn to resemble Robert Patrick, and his voice changes throughout the series. Hank Hill looks (and sounds) like Mr. Anderson from Beavis and Butthead. Cotton I don't know about, and Tilly Mae Hill, I think, is simply supposed to be a good counter to Cotton. --Milton 02:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Trivia Section

It doesn't need one now, it never needed one in the past, and now it doesn't have one. Every element of the trivia section has either been a) incorporated into the main article, b) incorporated into a character's article, or c) wasn't trivia to start with. If anyone disagrees, please refrain from adding it back in until it has been discussed here. I will justify every change. --Milton 02:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Confusion on town KOTH's Arlen is based off of

I'm not claiming to know which IS right... but on Mike Judge's wikipage neither Garland or Temple, Texas are named as inspiration for the show. However, at the same time the Garland, Texas page claims inspiriation, and Temple merely suggest that some viewers think Temple influences the show.

My point is, nowhere on those 3 wikipages or on THIS one is documentation given for the claim that Temple, Texas is the inspiration/origin of KOTH's Arlen.

I just feel like something should be done to correct this... I'm leaving it as-is for someone who edits this page more regularly to act on according to the local consensus. 74.134.228.189 08:05, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Eh, I don't think anyone really knows except Mike Judge himself. Unless Mr. Judge sets the record straight, all of it is original research. I think it should all be removed. --Milton 20:40, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Luanne's Name

Lucky's Last name should be added, and Luanne's Name altered to show it since they are now married. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yami Takashi (talk • contribs)

I've changed her name in the main article, and it has been changed in her article. However, naming conventions dictate that the Luanne article stay the same name and not be moved. --Milton 19:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Inside Jokes section

Should be incorporated elsewhere and removed. Two jokes hardly deserve their own section. The first one borders on a WP:NOR violation, and the second one is mentioned in the Hank Hill article, I think - if not, it should be- and that will be sufficient. The page is already horrible bloated and grotesque, like a Hutt. --Milton 01:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Trimmed Character List

Everything I deleted was either redundant, not important (only happening in one episode), not related to the character, mentioned dominantly in the character's main article, and so on. If anyone disagrees, please discuss it here. The page is still too long. --Milton 04:39, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Changes

Something still needs to be done about that infernally long Arlen debate section. Maybe turning it into a list, something like

• Zip codes point to Austin, Dallas, or Houston
• Phone numbers point to etc etc

that? Massive, unformatted blocks of text don't work well.

Also, the long section about themes and such smacks of original research. I'm gonna delete it in a few days if references don't get put in, per WP:NOR --Milton 04:49, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm also gonna trim out the continuity error section, the majority of it is pointless. --Milton 20:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Already did. I will defend every deletion if anyone wants me to. Basically, though, I deleted things that either weren't continuity errors to begin with, things which admit that they may not be, and things that fail to assert wherein lie the errors. --Milton 22:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

The Texas Culture section also needs to go. It is completely original research and contains no references. I very much doubt that anyone would be able to be find any for most of it. Possibly parts could be referenced from DVD commentary, if that exists, but unless anyone is able to provide this the section should be deleted.212.140.167.99 10:54, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Per WP:CONSENSUS, I'll delete it at the end of one week if that is the informal vote. --Milton 19:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Merger =

I suggested that the continuity errors article be merged here, so I wanted to start the discussion. The other article is unsourced, and many of the points there are in this article in a much more concise form. The other list seems just to be some trivia points from certain episodes that could go into a goofs section of the individual episodes. The ones that impact the show the most (the most important I guess) could be on this page. Just my thoughts, anyone agree or whatnot? Phydend 01:17, 10 June 2007 (UTC)