Talk:Pirates versus Ninjas

Timeline

I think the timeline is superfluous nonsense. Most of the items are of the "this game/book/movie/whatever mentions a pirate, and this other game/book/movie/whatever has a ninja in it" variety. For starters, Talk Like a Pirate Day and Scrubs have nothing to do with the debate. 63.3.0.129 20:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OBVIOUSLY, ninjas win.

this is Pirates versus Ninjas, after all. not Ninjas vs. Pirates. We should find out what Jimbo Wales' take is. 72.137.25.217 01:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this article should be deleted at sight

I don't think this article should be deleted at sight; it's well written and gives valuable information. To me it answered what the hell this strip by Norwegian cartoonist M was all about. Rename, merge or list on AfD as you like, but it shouldn't just be swept under the rug like this. Eixo 22:11, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, this is clearly not patent nonsense, just a unique subcultural in-joke. -- stillnotelf has a talk page 22:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it should be deleted, but a serious overhaul is needed. Phantombantam 22:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How is this notable, when Genmay isnt? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.151.72.200 (talk) 23:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

That is just one forum. This is across the internet, much like the you have two cows joke. Phantombantam 23:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lock?

I think it would be a really good idea if this article were locked for a day or so. It was linked on digg within the hour. Expect lots of vandalism. 24.124.70.238 09:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Previous deletion

Archived discussion of a previous version of this article (this is not a recreation) exists at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pirates Versus Ninjas. The original content is preserved here, here, and here.-- stillnotelf has a talk page 22:41, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the previous article was a joke, this one is factual. The afd result don't apply. Eixo 22:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I agree, and I would vote keep in a new AFD, I was just collecting links for other users' convenience and amusement. -- stillnotelf has a talk page 23:16, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Origin?

People say that Real Ultimate Power was the cause of it, but as mentioned in the article, there were references to it previously, and I am fairly certain that in the late 1990s I had heard of the idea. But I can't remember how. Anyone know of any other pre-RUP ninja vs pirate references? Titanium Dragon 10:36, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, this has been around a lot longer than Real Ultimate Power.

Ninjas (and karate) were pretty big in the 80s and early 90s - think Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, American Ninja, Karate Kid movies. Also lots of comics got ninjas involved too - Daredevil & Batman both got retconned to have ninja training. I think the pirate thing is more recent though. Maybe Sid Meier's Pirates and Pirates of the Caribbean had something to do with it? 203.97.255.167 01:27, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How about Naruto and One Piece contributing to this? 205.174.22.20 06:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know--Naruto and One Piece might just contribute in the sense that they are about the stereotypical pirates and ninjas--I don't think they are any more than indirectly related. --authraw 01:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Naruto and One Piece suck. The ninjas don't wear enough black and the pirates aren't harry enough. And I remember hearing that the first message broadcast between 2 technicians on Arpanet was "who do you think would win a fight: ninjas, or pirates?"Toxic Ninja 05:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are all wrong. This debate has obviously been raging since there were pirates and ninja's to fight each other . . . So seriously, the major thing this article misses out on as far as origins is the internet video "How to Kill a Mockingbird".

2000, a noted internet troll/comedian with the screen name "McUZI" posted a thread on the site "Who would win in a fight- Ninjas or Pirates?". It went for numerous pages and is the earliest known citation of this now famous combo- at least, no one has been able to find an earlier example of it that was as clear in its comedic intent of pairing Ninjas with Pirates for a fight --Tactical1000001 23:45, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Improvement of Article

I'm not a fan of article deletion...if you've got some bit of info to share with the world, then share it, but this isn't well written, or documented. It's very hard to chronicle the saga of a pop-culture topic of conversation. Who were the first two people to debate this? We will probably never know. Rowlan 05:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The battle is a battle as heated as politics. However, the people writing are neither as well-spoken or as boring. You should be glad that the article is neutral. This article isn't edited by people who care about the quality of writing, but those who are passionate about the arguemnt. Loosen up. --69.140.143.86 21:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)King of the easter eggs 10/24/06[reply]

Order

Why is this article "Pirates vs Ninjas" instead of "Ninjas vs Pirates". For one thing, Ninja's a vastly superior to Pirates in almost every concivable way, and another "N" comes before "P" in the english alphabet. How was the title of this page chosen? Does anyone else have some input on this? (Animedude 08:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that Ninjas are "vastly superior to pirates" is irrelevant as far as Wikipedia goes (especially since pirates are better) but the general order is "Pirates vs Ninjas". If you were to type in "Pirates vs Ninjas" (with the quotes) into Google, you get about 140,000 hits. "Ninjas vs Pirates" gets about 25,200. Big difference there. Plus, the article was started at Pirates versus Ninjas, so all of the discussion on the article is here. If we were to move it to Ninjas versus Pirates, we would have to move all of the talk stuff, too, and it's really not worth the hassle. --authraw 20:24, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Those are all valid reasons. I guess it doesnt really matter, since the Ninja's superioty over the pirates is so great, that allowing them to be spoken first wont matter much. Since, they will be dead in a mtter of seconds. (Animedude 06:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Ninjas Win. Darn straight.

Searching either Pirates vs. Ninjas or Ninjas vs. Pirates brings the same article. Ninjas do win. --69.140.143.86 21:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC) King of the easter eggs 10/24/06[reply]

I believe that the popular order (Pirate vs Ninja) is also meant to be a subtle take on the PvP (Player vs Player) acronym; as such, it's only recognizable as PvN, and not NvP, which sounds more like MVP. aeonite 17:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is easily solved by google fight. : http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=ninja&word2=pirate : http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=ninja+vs+pirate&word2=pirate+vs+ninja

As of when I'm doing this Ninja is is winning as more searched in the basic and in the vs ninjas vs pirates is winning 1,310,000 to 1,300,000, while ninja basic won by like a 6:5 ratio. 05:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

What about Pie Versus Cake?

Why is it that something like this(considering how stupid it is) gets an article while the pie v cake debate gets none? It doesn't even get a mention in an article about a debate who's outcome depends on who gets the drop on who! BioTube 02:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stupid as it may be, "pie vs cake" returns 107 Google results [1]. "pirates vs ninjas" returns about 154,000 results [2]. Pirates vs Ninjas is a true internet phenomenon--I haven't heard a whole lot about the pie vs cake debate. --authraw 03:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This debate isn't nearly as stupid as pie vs. cake. Maybe someday that will be a valid argument, but presently the world cares a lot more about pirates vs. ninjas. This article is extremely difficult to keep neutral, giving situations would make it biased and unwikipedian--69.140.143.86 21:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)King of the easter eggs 10/24/06[reply]

History

How about placing some historical stuff? Such as when Portuguese Ships (royal, not pirates) first reached Japan Empire (ruled by samurai, not ninjas). (next section is only my opinion in the polemics) Also, pirates and ninjas won't even fight. Ninjas can't get to an high-seas ship to assassinate the pirate, neither can the pirate find the ninja hideout, and even if they (either one) can, is there enough honor (to kill one pirate ship with all that work, sacrificing many valuable ninjas) or loot (to steal from a humble ninja clan hidden so deep in the woods, after spending so much supplies in the search)? Now if they'd team up togheter, then that would be real unstoppable. ;) 200.230.213.152 05:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, pirates would slow down the ninjas.

Exactly 203.118.158.11 04:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

IF ninjas and pirates teamed up they would kill each other at first sign of anything valuable. Then you would have a ninja vs pirate conflict.Toxic Ninja 05:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Serious stuff about Other similar debates

The main difference between this and other fan competitions is that neither pirates or ninjas were initially created as a video game, TV show, or other form of media by one company.

Necromancy and clerirgy were no video game, TV show or media stuff. Although this debate probably says about their rpg character classes, this can be somehow confusing to an stupid reader (maybe stupid is a bad word for this, but I'm lazy to find another one :P). 200.230.213.152 02:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WTF? Where's NPOV?

Is there a counter-part for this???

This user agrees that Pirates are better than Ninjas. Y'arr!

I couldn't find (I'm not good at searching wikipedian categories). 200.230.213.152 02:38, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've made a ninja version for NPOV purposes, and I think ninjas rock.

This user knows Ninjas are better than Pirates. SHURIKEN STRIKE! Ninja away!

Toxic Ninja 03:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

File:Ninja1 - standing on a wall.jpg

This user knows Ninjas are better than Pirates. SHURIKEN STRIKE! Ninja away!

Now in easy to use- userbox format! Toxic Ninja 20:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Naruto & One Piece

Shouldn't something be included in this article regarding the popularity of Naruto and One Piece with anime fans? That is, the popularity of Ninjas (Naruto) in America contrasting the popularity of Pirates (One Piece) in Japan? Terek 07:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there is spillover of "pirates vs ninjas" into the fandom of both series, and least in America. I can personally attest to that. However, for inclusion into this article we'd need reliable sources, and for some odd reason Wikipedia doesn't recognize how reliable my word is. :P Redxiv 08:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Plurality

For what it's worth, the plural of "ninja" is "ninja", not "ninjas". 71.193.152.63 23:49, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't such a thing as a proper plural anymore, goose-geese, moose-moose, so just let people call it whatever they want.Toxic Ninja 05:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The english language does evolve with each generation... Does anyone use "who" and "whom" correctly anymore? More importantly, does anyone care? If so, why? Fosnez 11:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Ninjas, unlike Pirates, don't assemble as a group. Therefore when referring to "Ninjas" it is more respectful to simply called them by the singular Ninja: such as a title or label. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gorba (talk • contribs) 05:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Chigau ze. The plural of "ninja" is ninja because Japanese doesn't have a grammatical plural--English does, generally with "-s", so ninjas is acceptable, too. If one, in speaking Japanese, wanted to be specific that one meant more than one ninja, one would probably say "ninjatachi". And of course ninja assembled in groups; ever heard of the Iga-gumi, Koga-gumi, Fuma-gumi, or Ten Heroes of Sanada? 71.223.169.27 04:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The grand father of pirates

Why no mention to maddox? First reference on his site http://maddox.xmission.com/bpitu97_98.gif in second paragraph.

Move to Uncyclopedia

LAWL! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.39.80.67 (talk) 16:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Contains a lot of irrelevant content

This page about pirates versus ninjas contains a lot of irrelevant content. For example, the entry Talk Like a Pirate Day. Yes, this is relevant to pirates, but not to Pirates versus Ninjas debate. If this content is necessary, then all the content about pirates--history, global economic effects, etc.--would have to be included. Same with the ninja. This article should be limited to the content matter, and leave those parts exclusively about pirates and ninja in a Pirate wiki and Ninja wiki respectively.

So, wait...

We leave this, and destroy thorough articles about webcomics that also exist in published form? Huh.

Hanzo and the Fuma

What about Hattori Hanzou, Jounin of the Iga-gumi, possibly being killed by the Fuma, who had once been ninja and degenerated into pirates? Surely that warrants mention in this article somewhere.

Certainly a closer real-life parallel than that idiotic thing about Japanese whalers. Nagakura shin8 19:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pirates Vs. Ninja in Popular culture

Hopefully, this will narrow the scope of the section so that not every website with "Pirate" or "Ninja" on it needs to be on the timeline. Timelines are for well documented subjects, which internet memes most certainly are not. I think any NEW content should be discussed first, to keep this article from bloating. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Phantombantam (talk • contribs) 06:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

This name argument is borderline braindead

This is a pathetic argument. I've always heard it Pirates VS Ninjas, and why does it matter? They're both about the same thing. The argument itself is pretty stupid. Why would a Pirate fight a Ninja? Why does it matter? Is it really so important? I'm sorry, but sometimes something is so stupid that I just have to step in. Please, stop the stupidity.

Their are 3 kinds of people on the internet, pirates, ninjas and morons. I'll leave it at that. Toxic Ninja 04:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is retarded

this is the stupidest thing on wikipedia and possibly the entire internet. 66.57.251.83 21:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]