Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga
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Character names
I cannot agree with using the character names licensees choose. I think we shouldn't really follow the licensees, but the authors. For the series/movie/etc name I'd just place a redirection, but using their weird names for characters is a bit too much; I understand it as if we were supporting the value-destroying westernization some licensees apply to anime or manga, by doing evil stuff like renaming characters, destroying jokes, converting typical japanese phrase structures (ogenki desu ka?) to stuff which may be used in a similar way in english (how are you?) but don't mean the same as something more accurate like "are you in good spirits?" would. Maybe we should go with just listing them as alternative names, but that's my opinion. In whatever case, the original kanjis and transliterations must be there and must not be hidden. I'd also add a section commenting the differences between the real thing and the licensee's version, if the level of harm makes it worthy.Rvalles 06:38, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)
- I just added a qualifier to that section, to ignore the english translation if it's horrible. -Pyrop 22:51, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)
- In the case of Yu-Gi-Oh!, I am using the manga names (i.e. the original Japanese in most if not all cases) for the article titles for the characters. But they may be mentioned using English anime names in some YGO-related articles. WhisperToMe 06:13, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Titles for character pages
- I think that "[Series name] characters" would be a better title format than "List of Characters in {name of series}". It's more concise and is already in use for some articles, such as Ranma ½ characters and Neon Genesis Evangelion main characters. Josh 07:27, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)
- Looking through the Featured Articles in Media, the three pages i saw with character pages have the following forms;
(It should be noted that the majority of the Featured Articles in Media pages do not have seperate character pages!)
I'm impartial between "List of characters in Series" and "Characters in Series", but "List of Series characters" and "Series characters" strike me as a little ungrammatical. (Names aren't adjectives.) -℘yrop (talk) 16:02, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)
- You're probably right about the grammar issues. Out of the options that you mention, I would prefer "Characters in Series". It would be nice to find a way to have the series name as the first word of the title, yet still use something that is grammatically correct. I am not sure if that is possible, though. Josh 05:09, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)
- The Simpsons also uses List of characters from The Simpsons. Whether we call something "List of" or not should depend on if it's a list or not. -℘yrop (talk) 03:27, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
Singapore English manga
I would like for someone in Singapore to find and scan book covers of Chuang Yi's English manga titles, such as the Singaporean English Love Hina. WhisperToMe 02:05, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Todo list.
I've (re)added the todolist to this page. Anyone else add anything they consider pertinent. -℘yrop (talk) 01:46, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)
- Fixed the template for the right namespace -- EmperorBMA|話す 17:32, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Episode list?
Should we bother to include episode lists on articles on anime? It doesn't really seem to add anything, in my opinion. E.g., yeah, episode 16 of Chobits may be titled "Chii Does Nothing", but that really tells us nothing useful. It's like listing the chapters of a book, something we don't do for any of the articles on books for wikipedia unless they're very, very large and very important (e.g. the bible). -℘yrop (talk) 22:17, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)
- Also, take a look a previous discussion on the WikiProject Television talk page. -℘yrop (talk) 22:23, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)
- Upon further inspection, i'm in favor of regulating episode lists etc. to a seperate "media" page, (e.g. Cowboy Bebop media information for Cowboy Bebop, Chobits media information for Chobits). The phrase "media information" sounds awkward to me, though. We're an encyclopedia, isn't everything here supposed to be information? -℘yrop (talk) 22:42, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)
- It is a bit awkward, although I can't think of a title that is any better. Josh 20:35, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)
- What exactly should we do for episode titles that actually do convey information? For example, every single Last Exile title is an allusion to chess (Sicilian defense, Zugzwang, Isolated Pawn, etc.) It's my impression that this comes up less often for television series at large than for anime series. - RedWordSmith 23:27, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)
- For those series, we should probably mention in the main article that the titles are related and then give a few examples of episode titles. However, even in a case like that, it is probably unnecessary to have every episode title, at least in the main article. Josh 01:32, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)
Missing images in the DBZ character pages
It's been a while since several images seem to be missing on many of the DBZ characters' pages. Examples are Vegeta, Future Trunks and Chibi Trunks. For some reason they just disappeared, so maybe something should be done about this. Perhaps they were never uploaded in the first place (I wouldn't know), but in that case, the boxes shouldn't read "Missing image". That message shouldn't be shown if there isn't any image available. Any ideas?--Kaonashi 04:55, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, it appears that the template used for the information boxes on those pages assumes that it can find a picture of each character at "NAME_photo.jpg". Most likely, the pages that you mentioned never had pictures. Josh 05:41, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)
- Image:Vegeta photo.jpg etc. don't show up in the deletion log, so i suspect they were never uploaded. -℘yrop (talk) 05:57, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply. Yes, I understand it now. Perhaps the template should be modified to make it deal with situations like this. Unfortunately, I don't know a whole lot about table/box creation, so I'm not sure if I can help there. =[ --Kaonashi 17:37, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Templates, and stubs
I am looking at some of the other projects and comparing it to this one. Things i've noticed. This project has no stub or templates.
the closest thing i've seen is template:manga. I think a temmplate like in Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games will help standardize articals.
also, if we can get an anime and manga stub, we'll be able to group articals that need to be developed. ZeWrestler 14 Jan 2004
Naturally, as soon as i comment about this, i find an anime stub. template:anime-stub ZeWrestler 14 Jan 2004
Conflicts with Names
Anime producer Toshio Suzuki currently comes up with a Japanese racecar driver, is there any suggestions for a standard way of dealing with other possible name conflicts we may encounter in the future? --Neilworms 23:53, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Aren't the general disambiguation guidelines sufficient for this sort of situation? Josh 00:37, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, there is. You take the main name and make that a disambig page. You then split the people up based on something specific to them. See Tomoyuki Tanaka for an example. --Mitsukai 19:54, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Project progress
I think we ought to hash out some article guidelines that are more manga/anime-specific, in an effort to standardize this sector of Wikipedia. An infobox template would also be handy, as well as other project-y things like cleanup tags. - mako 07:16, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Article to fix
Anyone who knows anything about the manga Zettai Kareshi, could you please fix up its page? It'll probably end up deleted if it's not fixed relatively soon, and i'd rather it stick around if it's notable. -℘yrop (talk) 21:07, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
Infobox
There's been some interest in anime infoboxes. As an experiment, i've added the movie infobox to Akira (film). It seems it would be a good idea to split off our own anime infobox (some things on the movie infobox aren't important in the context of anime, some important things are missing); we can use the movie infobox as a departure point, though. -℘yrop (talk) 20:16, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
- One thing we need to work out is how many infoboxes belong on a page. For example Akira is both film and manga. So what do we do? Two separate boxes? Split up the article and have one box on each page? One single monster box with all formats? Just imagine when a subject has manga, anime, and movie(s). To me it seems the least cluttered route of one box per page makes the most sense. -mako 03:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I would think that manga and anime formats are separate enough that they warrant separate boxes. There may be some overlap, but then again, there may be very little. A big box might work (it would need to be able to handle movies, TV series, and books), but for titles that have only one of the 3, that would mean a lot of empty fields. Then again, perhaps the big box could be the default template, and series for which the info doesn't overlap can use the existing separate templates. I think it largely depends on what kind of info you're planning to include. Fadeblue 19:36, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
- For those interested, I've created a rough draft of a template and put it on a subpage of my user page. Just go to my user page and you can see it half-filled with Evangelion info as an example. Fadeblue 03:03, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
- I have no problem with you editing the page. I just wanted something so that we could start working on it. Good thinking with the Japanese name fields... I can't believe I forgot that. Oh, and I took runtime from the movie and TV templates; it's basically the length of each episode, although I suppose it's not even that necessary. Also, how should we handle OAVs and movies? Fadeblue 04:27, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
Looks good =). I think runtime for episodes is somewhat unnecessary, though we could combine that with No of episodes to save a line. Things like Seiyuu we may want to think about just linking from the box if there's a list of them. OVAs and movies... it depends on how articles are set up. I'm worrying about of something like Tenchi Muyo!, which is a major organizational headache with its multiple OVAs, TV series, and movies. In another example, Ghost in the Shell, the manga and movie go together while the TV series have their own pages. For Eva, End of Eva has its own page (and infobox) while Death and Rebirth doesn't even have an article.
If we want a general-purpose infobox, we could pull some tricks like the conditionals used in Template:Peru region table to allow selective display of information. This approach could allow for a modular infobox, with anime/manga/ova/movie components.
Also, do we want to eschew compactness and go for things like Mecha Designer and Character Designer? It might be notable for certain series. - mako 20:18, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
Anime Collaboration of the Week
I was looking and noticed that there are various COTW's on wikipedia, but none for anime. How about we start one about anime up? --ZeWrestler 17:54, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. ^_^--Mitsukai 19:51, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
- Well, if we want to do something like this, who would start it up? --ZeWrestler 17:51, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
- That I'm not sure of. My guess would be to find an anime article that is in dire need of updating and have everyone attack it until it looks decent. I think someone mentioned a Yū Watase manga above that might fit the bill. --Mitsukai 19:25, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
- We need to set up something like the Collaboration of the week, or the Gaming Collaboration of the week, where users can nomminate articals to work on for that week. That way, we can all tackle improving the artical. --ZeWrestler 19:28, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
- That I'm not sure of. My guess would be to find an anime article that is in dire need of updating and have everyone attack it until it looks decent. I think someone mentioned a Yū Watase manga above that might fit the bill. --Mitsukai 19:25, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
- Well, if we want to do something like this, who would start it up? --ZeWrestler 17:51, 20 May 2005 (UTC)