Talk:Madness (band)

Reunited

Uuuuh....they reformed in the late 90s, hello? I don't know anything other than this to finish the article, do it please. 13:30, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)

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How is the neutarlity of this article disputed?

My issue wasn't so much with the neutrality of the facts presented as with the language. Things like "Suggs, Carl, Lee and Chris teamed up under the imaginative name of The Madness" and "criminally overlooked by the public and the first ever Madness single not to chart" should go; if facts can be cited to replace these opinions it would be better than just plain removing them, so I didn't remove them myself. --Weyes 23:19, 2005 Apr 24 (UTC)

OK, I see what you mean. I'll see if I can change anything. Falcolombardi87 17:42, 2005 Apr 25 (UTC)

I've tried to tidy up most of the article. See what you think. Falcolombardi87 20:34, 2005 Apr 25 (UTC)

Looks pretty NPOV to me now. Why is this tagged as wikify? That's the reason I hit this article in the first place, but it looks wikified already. Davelong 12:03, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether all the formatting for band names/album names/song names etc. is correct. Falcolombardi87 19:59, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)

I think I've followed the guidelines in Wikipedia:Manual of Style (titles) correctly and also tidied up a couple of minor pieces, it's looking pretty good to me now so I removed the NPOV and cleanup tags. Davelong 19:24, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yup, looking good. Thanks! --Weyes 08:34, 2005 May 1 (UTC)

"The crowd danced so much that an earth tremor of over 4.5 on the Richter scale was recorded during the song One Step Beyond."

Quite apart from suspecting this to be nonsense, where's the source? Also POV throughout this article, I'll make some minor edits, but it's hard to know where to start.

Citation added. It was also mentioned in the Madstock sleevenotes. At the time nearby residents were a bit miffed what with bits of masonry falling off their houses.

"The band's videos were highly creative and entertaining, which was partially responsible for their heavy inclusion on early MTV and on the BBC's Top of the Pops. The videos relied on humour and storytelling to an unusual extent, producing a product that stood alone as creative output, not just slick promotional material."

Certainly I think their videos are worthy of some note, but does this say anything?

"The show run until August 2003 due to poor ticket sales, a sad time as the show was deemed a success by critics and audiences alike"

I know little of the show other than it exists, could someone help with this? Burchill 11:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

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I have removed the following text from the bottom of the bullet-pointed section:

  In its Spanish TV spot campaign Bacardi  : "Hola Mañana" uses like the jingle with band arregls
  One Step Beyond tones and the actors makes pass like the band members did it in 
  the song video. 

I feel that it does not present any new information in its current state; if anyone can figure out what it means please clean it up and re-insert. Cheers --^pirate 23:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

There was a tv ad for bacardi rum that use the one step beyond as a jingle

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I have a question. this may seem stupid to some people but there are seven people on the featured album cover yet only six members of the band are listed, as far as i can tell

This anomaly has now been rectified (seven original members are all mentioned).

Derek R Bullamore 15:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Movies

How about

Take It or Leave It
Complete Madness
Utter Madness
Divine Madness
Madness at Madstock

A filmography could be nice. Simplicius 12:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Fan talk and encyclopedias

OK as far as it goes, but a fan manual is not an encyclopedia. Why did they choose to sing this kind of music? What did they sing about? What sections of the public liked them most ? And - if I remember correctly - they had some involvement in supporting political causes... Why and how ? If someone can help I would be very grateful Johncmullen1960 06:35, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Needs a lot of work

There are way too many pointless facts in this, such as dates when they toured in 2005, one off appearences, etc. In the grand scheme of things, it just seems out of place. There is way too much post 2000 stuff. Their heyday was the 80s, but there seems to be a lot more information about the last few years. Surely there's no need for a seperate section about 2004-05, 06, 07, etc. We just need one paragraph to sum up the events of the 2000s, and maybe a different section regarding The Dangermen.

I think at least a partial re-write is needed. I've got quite a lot of knowledge regarding the band, so I may begin working on the article soon, because it's just not up to scratch.Sam Orchard 14:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

• I agree that there is a lot of stuff in the 2000s sections that should be deleted or reworded. Then once the individual parts are shortened, they should probably be merged together. I copy edited the 2007 section and deleted some unimportant trivia and content that was either a prediction or a rumour. Spylab 15:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Right, I've been working on a new article in my spare time. I've finished my uni exams now so I can hopefully finish it, and ensure everything is referenced.

So far I have Madness' career split into several sections... "Formation", "Early Success", "Change of Direction", "Decline and Breakup" and "Reunion". Furthermore I've written sections regarding Controversy and The Dangermen. Does anyone have any suggestions or objections to any of the sections I've included? Sam Orchard 21:06, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

The Dangermen and The Madness

Not sure I agree with the opening line of this article, stating that they were known as The Madness and The Dangermen. The Madness was a different band which contained some of the members from Madness. They were originally going to be called a totally different name, but I assume they chose "The Madness" for commcercial reasons. But it definitely was not Madness.

The Dangermen was an alias the band used while performing small scale concerts. When they released the dangermen sessions, they were still under the name of "Madness", so personally, I don't think it can be assumed that they changed their band's name. Sam Orchard 17:05, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

• After thinking about it for a while, I think the best option is to simply add a section in the article explaining the whole Dangermen alias. I think The Madness needs a new article entirely, as they were NOT Madness, and their work is not even recognised on the official Madness website. Sam Orchard 15:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. Spylab 15:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Article Rewrite

I've just completed a rewrite for the article, with the band's formation and history going into a lot more detail. I've referenced as much as possible, but if you feel there are things that need to be referenced, then please bring it to attention.

I'd appreciate it if any large scale edits were discussed here first. If anyone thinks they can further add or improve the article, then please do so, as long as the information is notable and not trivial. Single appearences are not notable enough to be mentioned in the article. Madness have made hundreds of appearences on TV shows over the years. Just because an appearence happened to be recent, doesn't make it encyclopedia material. I'm still touching up a few things here and there.

Any questions, I'd be more than happy to answer. Thanks. Sam Orchard 12:14, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, I'd appreciate it if anyone can find a reference for the claim that "Madness achieved most of their success in the 1980s, spending more weeks in the UK chart than any other group during this period."

I've seen this repeated in many places, but I've yet to find anywhere to verify it. Sam Orchard 12:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

According to The Guinness Book of Hits of the 80s, Madness did spend the most weeks on the UK chart of any group (218) -- *IF* you count their 4 weeks on the charts as "The Madness" (with the single "I Pronounce You"). If you don't count that single, then they are tied with UB40 at 214. And if you count UB40's weeks on the chart with the single "Reckless" (credited to Afrika Bambaataa with UB40 and Family) then UB40 spent the most weeks on the UK singles chart of any group during the 1980s (222).

The individual who spent the most weeks on the UK singles charts in the 80s is Michael Jackson, *IF* you count his work with the Jacksons. Otherwise, the artist who spent the most weeks on the 1980s UK singles charts was ...wait for it... Shakin'Stevens, followed closely by Madonna. 172.164.57.107 20:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)