Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Yisraelasper

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User:Yisraelasper

Suspected sockpuppeteer

Yisraelasper (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Suspected sockpuppets

Yisraeldov (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

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Italiavivi 02:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence

User:Yisraelasper was a single-purpose account who blanked, page-moved, and deleted information pertaining to Miriam Shear and Egged Bus Cooperative's Mehadrin (gender-segregated) bus routes in Israel. Yisraelasper's contributions cease altogether on May 2, 2007 [1] (after trying repeatedly to delete vandalism warnings from his User_talk page [2]) and Yisraeldov's contributions begin a month later [3]. Yisraeldov has since appeared at Egged Bus Cooperative objecting to the section on Egged's gender-segregated bus lines and defending Chareidi support for gender-segregated lines. Italiavivi 02:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

If Yisraeldov is simply Yisraelasper seeking to "start fresh" on a new account (perhaps to escape the stigma of vandalism warnings on his/her User_talk page), that's fine. It should be made public if he/she is going to resume editing the same controversial topics, though. If Yisraeldov is not Yisraelasper, I apologize, but hope he/she can understand why he/she would be suspected. Italiavivi 02:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, I'm not him( or her ) YisraelDov, is my actual name, you can check my TZ if you want.. Now how do I remove this stuff ?yisraeldov 11:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't seem likely to me. YisraelDov, information here isn't removed. As Italiavivi stated, there is some evidence to link the two of you, but I don't think it's enough. Od Mishehu 12:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is solid but inconclusive evidence to link the two accounts to the same person. As a practical matter, I think it's a moot point. Sockpuppets are actionable if one is being blatantly disruptive, or if they are trying to cooperate as if they were two people working together. I don't see either issue here. Yechiel Man 18:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vandals can exercise their right to vanish. We want them to edit constructively, not shoot them down as a sockpuppet. The user is undoubtedly operated by the same person, but they're editing constructively, so there's no harm done. We have a good thing that happened to us, not a bad thing. Cool Blue^{talk to me} 19:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Right to vanish" generally implies that the editor is leaving the project, not changing usernames to avoid association with their past actions. Italiavivi 21:39, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Conclusions

There's no temporal overlap between the contributions of these editors, and thus no violation of WP:SOCK. --Akhilleus (talk) 01:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Italiavivi I contributed to more than just one article. You claim above that I was a one agenda user and yet you fail to say that my last post on May 2 was on something else a topic I returned to yet. I posted on May 2 "Talk:Extrasolar moon (The Petition no longer exists)." I am not identical to Yisraeldov. I also don't live in Israel. I don't have an agenda for separate bus seating. I don't feel there is a need for separate bus seating. The Miriam Shear dispute has been over for months. You kept on though reposting warnings on my user page. No one asked you to. I am going to complain about this attack on me to Wikipedia to have this page removed or otherwise have you banned.User:Yisraelasper