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Former good article nomineeChris Benoit was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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June 22, 2006Featured article candidateNot promoted
May 10, 2007Good article nomineeNot listed
Current status: Former good article nominee
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Junior Heavyweight Championship

I figured I might as well address this because I don't want to get an edit war started. Chris Benoit never won the WWF Junior Heavyweight Championship because the WWF stopped using the title in 1985 with The Cobra winning the title for the last time on July 28, 1985. New Japan Pro Wrestling would go on to create the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship with Shiro Koshinaka winning the title in a tournament approximately 11 months after the WWF retired their title. On August 19, 1990 Benoit would win the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship going under the name of the Pegasus Kid. The WWF Junior Heavyweight Championship has no connection to the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship. They don't share the same lineage. If you don't want to take my word for it, check the whole thing out on wrestling-titles.com. Or, just look at the Wikipedia articles. Each title has it's own seperate article.Odin's Beard 02:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Benoit held the WWF Light Heavyweight Title, not the junior title. It was created by the WWF for the UWA and stayed there after the promotions stopped working together. --David Bixenspan 15:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Legacy

Do you think we should add a legacy section to his article. I mean he is considered by many to be one of the greatest of all time and he is probably the best technical of all time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.45.185.117 (talk) 23:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

VOTE: Suplex vs Sharpshooter

Which image is more sufficient? The suplex or the sharpshooter? You VOTE:

File:Sharpshooter 05.jpg
Chris Benoit doing the Sharpshooter on Edge
Benoit perfoming a German suplex on MVP.

Zenlax 05:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I say the one with the German Suplex because you can actually tell it from the picture. With the sharpshooter the only way to tell is with the caption. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.45.185.117 (talk • contribs).

Suplex. The Sharpshooter is too blury, especially if it gets cropped. That being said, it might do well in Sharpshooter (professional wrestling). -- Oakster  Talk   12:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tough decision. They both kinda illustrate what their doing. BATMANrules677 19:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

fail GA

Sorry, I can't pass this as a good article - mainly because there is too much information and is badly written. The section about his early career has no structure - it looks like random facts were just strung together, with no regard to proper paragraphs.

The intro needs to have more information - it should provide a quick summing-up of the article, for someone who just wants to glance through for information.

The body of the article doesn't need ot include every title bout he has had, I don't think - major feuds and non-kayfabe information is much more beneficial.

Sorry, I'm failing this.--Macca7174 06:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Editing

I added back the personal life section to make the Early Career section more flowing, and gave these unassorted facts a banner.

WWF World Light Heavyweight Championship

I removed that title from the championships and accomplishments section because it's not a recognized reign. While Benoit is listed at winning this championship on www.wrestling-titles.com, it's irrelevant. Under the championship history of this particular title on WWE.com, none of the champions that won this title are listed in the official history prior to Taka Michinoku winning it in 1997. Therefore, the WWE doesn't recognize any of the championship reigns before this time period.Odin's Beard 01:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was a WWF title, they just forgot that it existed. WWE constantly flip-flops on things like recognizing Antonio Inoki as a former WWF champion so their view shouldn't necessarily be considered. The NWA didn't officially recognize various title reigns (the New Zealand/Singpore and Carribean switches) that did actually happen. It should be included with a notation. --David Bixenspan 15:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't a WWF Title, it was the WWWF (note the three W's) Light Heavyweight Championship, which was an IWGP Championship at the time he won it (by winning the 1994 Super J Cup Tournament). IWGP recognizes this reign, and I am putting it back into the article. Bmg916Speak 15:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
He didn't win it in the J-Cup, he won it on 3/3/91 in Naucalpan, DF, Mexico according to all title histories I could find. Also, the title was launched in 1981, so it was always a WWF title, as the WWWF to WWF name change was in 1979. --David Bixenspan 15:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
We (including myself) are confusing the WWF Light Heavyweight championship in this case, for the WWWF Junior Heavyweight championship, which he won at the J Cup. I have corrected this in the article (Under IWGP). Bmg916Speak 15:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Source? It's not in any title histories on Wikipedia or elsewhere. --David Bixenspan 15:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
1994 Super J Cup Results Wikipedia page, has it, but you are right David, he won the WWF Light Heavyweight Title in 91, and according to the history of the WWWF/NJPW/IWGP (it gets somewhat confusing I guess), he won that Junior Heavyweight Championship in 1990, not 1994. It appears we are all wrong in some form, but the right thing to do here would be to remove it (and correct the 1994 Super J Cup Page?), I apologize. Bmg916Speak 16:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Elbow/ Forearm?

Is it a forearm knockdown or a high elbow knockdown that Benoit does every week? I've heard Michael Cole say forearm and Tazz say elbow.

"However, Chris Benoit was replaced by Johnny Nitro for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due having his pubic hair get caught in the jet in his pool." are you sure this is not a joke? 202.148.19.14 16:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Benoit and Family Found Dead

According to WWE.com. Expect a barrage on the page.--ProtoWolf 22:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hope its just a storyline angle just like this Vince one Jcdizon 22:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Benoit and his whole family were found dead in their home today. Good God this is horrible I don't think its real dude supermike

Considering the whole "Vince is dead" angle plus the fact that WWE.com reported this while the wrestling sites have yet to pick up on this, I have to wonder if this is legit or not. If it is, I offer my condolences to Benoit's family. Considering he was friends with Eddie Guerrero, one has to wonder if they're going to end up doing a tribute/storyline to him much in the same way as Latino Heat. Benoit will be missed in the squared circle. Jgera5 22:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very sad to report that this isn't a storyline - Dave Meltzer has confirmed the Benoit family's deaths on Wrestling Observer. My condolences go out to the entire wrestling community and to anyone remotely connected to the Benoit family. Steveweiser 22:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Considering that they are reporting his WHOLE FAMILY IS DEAD I think its safe to say that sadly, its true. I can't see WWE even being this sick Mattbwn 22:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully we'll see some semblance of respect by them dropping the vince death angle for at least one night. DemonWeb 22:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am in shock. I don't even know what to make of this. One of the greatest in the bussiness gone. Will the "Vince is Dead" storyline countinue? God....I can't believe this. His whole family also... Milkman 22:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


i wish it was a storyline angle but it's not my friends got a text mesg from wwe alerts and on wrestlers myspace's like gregory helms it said:

I was sitting here at my computer when I got a call informing me of the death of Chris Benoit and his family. Other than saying that my thoughts go out to to his remaining family, I don't know what to say. Chris had just called me on Thursday to check on me as he has every week since my surgery and now days later I find out that he's gone. He was my friend. This hurts! This fucking sucks!!!! Rest in peace my friend! Love you!

R.I.P. Chris Benoit

And still no news source is reporting this. Just the usual goofy prowrestling sites.

That's not unusual. It took many major news outlets a few hours to pick up on the death of Eddie. -- Scorpion0422 22:41, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It may take them even longer this time because of the stupid "Vince is presumed dead" angle, g-d I hope they drop that shit now... Bmg916Speak 22:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Someone has changed the main page to say that this is an angle. Dave Meltzer has confirmed that the whole thing is true, and that Benoit sadly is dead. Steveweiser 22:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WWE.com updated with statement offering simpathies. We may need to get this Full-Protected. Mattbwn 22:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It might not hurt to jump the gun and request semi protection now before the barrage hits. On a side note, did anyone else notice that they removed all of the Vince's death stuff from the WWE.com main page? -- Scorpion0422 22:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Until confirmed by Atlanta news outlets, we should protect it and change the page back to its unedited state. MichaelBlankley 22:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any feasible way they can continue with this angle in the wake of Martel and now this tragedy. Chris Benoit was easily one of the most respected wrestlers in the history of pro wrestling, period. To continue that angle in the wake of this would be a new level of disgusting. It will be interesting to see if Vince comes out tonight on RAW. Mattbwn 22:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Called channel 11 Atlanta - they checked with Atlanta police - NO SUCH INVESTIGATION. Quit removing this comment.

Please, I don't think WWE would make false death reports. Vince is a storyline, this isn't. Your "call" to Atlanta police doesn't satisfy reports all over the internet claiming this. — Moe ε 22:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to say it, but the fact that he didn't appear at the pay-per-view the night before for "personal reasons" and then was found dead the next day seems suspicous and somewhat contrived. I hope he's not really dead but either way, it's sad that since this McMahon death angle we really can't believe any deaths in WWE.Maxwagner7 22:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WWE.com removed all References to the McMahon Death Angle, they updated the RAW page to a simple Chris Benoit 1967-2007 Image. Not even WWE has such bad taste that this could be an angle. WWE Raw Page 212.101.18.215 23:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Even TNA are reporting it now. There's no way it can be fake.

So we know it's real now. Not an angle.

I just read the TNA piece - it hits you even more when the opposition are reporting the news. Steveweiser 22:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah - that settles it. Come on people, get real - I'll go with Channel 11 and the Atlanta police before wrestling sites.

For the time being, we have to go by what the sources are saying, even if it is a work (which I doubt it is). -- Scorpion0422 22:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's NO way TNA would play along with WWE storylines Movietrailer 22:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The funny things is thinking people would take an unsigned comment about a phone call to the Atlanta police as credible over official documentation on both WWE.com and its direct competition. Mattbwn 22:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think based on the number of edits in the past few hours a semi-protect is at least in order. Mattbwn 23:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If this were only a storyline, TNA would not have said a word about it, and yet it is on their page. It is, most unfortunately, legit. I'm sure Atlanta news will acknowledge something if it is found to be a suspicious death. And yes, I agree on the semi-protect. People will be editing this page like mad.trivialbass619 23:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Well it seems stopping the wrestling industry plants would help. Called Atlanta police myself - no known report or investigation. I am not the only one who has called. Why not get off your behinds and call yourself?

Oh come on, you're being stupid - it's all over the Internet now, it is most definitely legit... end of story. Mattborgi 23:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And every single one is a wrestling site except a Memphis station reporting that WWE site says so. Call the Altanta police!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --Unsigned

The atlanta police are already there... --Unsigned

There are no credible (non-wrestling) sites reporting that he died. If it were real, surely CNN or the AP would report on it. Especially if it involved his whole family dying. --Ssj4android 23:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Easy now everybody, take a breath. In one hour we'll see if it's real or not. Mattbwn 23:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The lack of respect shown here for a deceased human being truely disgusts me. MMAnzi 23:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think this should have a semi-protect if vandalism occurs today? --Mikecraig 23:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Right now, we're best off patrolling it constantly for vandalism and reverting it when it happens. Semi-protection might be needed soon, however. Rdfox 76 23:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Atlanta police probably wouldn't talk about an ongoing investigation. I wish it was a work, but I doubt it is. 68.18.33.219 23:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)Adam Nelson[reply]

http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=a76b6326-1f90-4539-988e-cf4eb2b8cd7f&rss=59 75.2.200.118 23:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WSB in Atlanta confirms. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13567642/detail.html?rss=atl&psp=news

This can't be a work unfortenly. Even WWE.com confirms this.

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R.I.P Benoit, as an Edmontonian this is a massive loss, I hope the Vince angle is ended and Benoit tributs are on every show until wrestlemania 10000000000 gravediggerfuneral

Ok Folks

Time to settle down a bit. Taking a few extra minutes or more to confirm information AND to reliably source it (no, PWTorch, 1wrestling.com are not reliable sources) will not kill the article. Please do not continue to edit war on the page, we don't want to full protect it, but we will if we have to. SirFozzie 23:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agree --Mikecraig 23:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ok here is a source from an atlanta news site

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13567642/detail.html Movietrailer 23:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/25/0625benoit.html - Atlanta Journal Constitution is reporting on it. - Matt J

We've been reported on

"To those emailing us with the note from Wikipedia.com claiming the Benoit-family death situation is a WWE television angle - we can confirm that rumor is completely false. There is nothing scripted about the very tragic circumstances that unfolded today." [1] -- Scorpion0422 23:33, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


There are many more useless, hurtful, and ignorant items added into this discussion than the ones you deleted. Should get your priorities straight. 75.2.200.118 23:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Protect the article

I'd like to suggest that an administrator put protection on the Benoit article. No doubt that people will be flocking here to get information, and some will be tempted to edit the article with false information. TheOneCalledA1 23:37, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's already happening, I'm sorry to say. -- MisterHand 23:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have requested that it be fully protected for the time being because we won't be getting any information any time soon and it should be protected at least until new verified information comes in. -- Scorpion0422 23:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. seven+one 23:43, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think protection is necessary just patience. Eventually the truth (and it is seemingly more likely that it is an AWFUL truth) will be verified sufficiently for all parties. Even though some MSM outlets are beginning to come out with this story, I am still hoping it's just an angle. In the meantime please don't edit war, the article isn't going anywhere, and there will be sufficient time to sort out all the issues. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 23:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with full protection; what we want is semi-protection. Full protection is only for ongoing edit wars and such. For example, the article on the Virginia Tech massacre experienced near-constant vandalism for days after the event, but it has never been beyond semi-protection. Vandalism by established editors can be dealt with through standard Wiki means--we monitor and correct it, and use warnings and WP:AIV to deal with it. I would, however, recommend starting with uw-v2 at a minimum for vandalism, and wouldn't disagree with uw-v4im for people putting in claims that this is all a work. Rdfox 76 23:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TSN

TSN.ca is now reporting on Benoit's death. [2] -- Scorpion0422 00:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So has FoxNews [3], with apparent verification that the authorities are investigating it. The problem is, most of these reports are linking their stories to WWE.com, which to people like me who don't want to believe it's true, gives the hope that this may all be some sick and misguided work. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 00:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Canadian Press wire service is reporting it, though only using he WWE site as a source. Having worked for CP-related media I can say with assurance they wouldn't be posting this if there wasn't a legitimate indication it's true. See here 23skidoo 00:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WSB linking to article

WSB-TV (Atlanta's ABC affiliate) has linked to Chris Benoit's wiki page here. Where is the talk template for noting an article that has been used as a source by a news organization? --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 00:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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