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Does anyone know What the "EURO year" comment in the first sentence is about? This means nothing to me. Arthur Holland

It means "EURO 88" or "EURO 2004" --Dryazan 15:15, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The Dutch FA's initials, as seen on the team shirt is KNVB, standing for Koninklijke Nederlandse Voetbal Bond: the Royal NETHERLANDS Football Assocation. That's how I remember. Holland is a region in the Netherlands. --Slumgum 20:24, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Terms

why the change in terms from Winner and Runner up to Champion and Second place, in the table, is this official or just an inconsitency? Philc 0780 23:02, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Winner and Runner-up seem like the more common terms to me, and it would make things more consistent. -- JoelCFC25 20:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nation vs national team

About links for teams and countries, both are labelled the same despite leading to different pages. Would it be a good idea to link all country names to the national teams pages (where it is further described that they represent a certain country), or should they have different labels, i.e. "England" for nation and "England team" for national team? Poulsen 11:26, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think the links are okay in context. e.g. Greece hosted the 2004 finals. Greece won the 2004 finals. The only exception is the semi-finals appearances table, which is completely wrong. I can't think of a good reason for including that table anyway.
Slumgum | yap | stalk | 14:57, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think if talking about a host, then you should link to the nation, if it is the team that won, then it should link to the team. Funkyduncan 17:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Did not qualify"

On various national football team pages, "Did not qualify" is used in the summary record for European Championships for years where the relevant team did not making the final stages. Since, until 1976, only the final four teams "qualified", this gives a misleading impression of lack of success. At least the quarter-finalists should be credited; so what if they were home-and-away fixtures? But for the 1964 tournament, I don't know if there's any easy way to distinguish teams losing in the first round from those losing in the second round. jnestorius^(talk) 10:23, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's easy; you just say "did not qualify; eliminated in the quarterfinal" or "did not qualify; eliminated in the second round". Conscious 10:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

West Germany or Germany?

Why, on the how many time countries have qualified list, are the German and West German qualifications all ranked together while the USSR and Russia ones are seperate? The same for Czechoslovakia/Czech Republic. It dosen't look right just having the German one as the exception. I apoligise though if there was a reason for this but it just look unusual.

Well... under UEFA rules, when a state splits, the one(s) who decided to leave lose all rights and stats to the name they played under. When Germany reunited, it's partially considered that the east merged with the west, rather than the west joining the east; the reunited Germany is considered to have direct continuity from West Germany. The other cases, aren't considered to be directly continuous. The USSR had many non-russian players on their team and Russia is not considered directly continuous from the USSR, and Czechoslovakia was a mutual split therefore neither Slovakia nor the Czechs can claim continuity. Same goes for Socialist Yugoslavia and Federal Yugoslavia. --Hurricane Angel 01:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The final torunament appearances

Excuse me, could you control the appearances in the final tournament of the national teams? From 1960 to 2004 is : 9 times Germany (5 as West Germany), 7 times Denmark, England, Netherlands, Spain, 6 times France, Italy, Ussr (one as CSI), 5 times Yogoslavia (one as the former Serbia and Montenegro), 4 times Belgium, Portugal, 3 times Czech Republic, Romania, Sweden, Czechoslovakia, 2 times Bulgaaria, Greece, Hungary, Scotland, Switzerland, Russia, Turkey, 1 time Republic of Ireland, Latvia, Norway, Slovenia. For Uefa Euro 2008 are qualified at the moment (october 2006) only the two hosts countries: Austria and Switzerland.

Do not consider qualifications as appearences. In particular for the EFC, since in 1992 the trophy was won by a team that did not qualify (but appeared, of course!).--Panarjedde 16:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Section about suggested changes

I think we should maybe add a new section about possible changes to the format of the event, since the Scottish FA has lobbied UEFA to expand the tournament to 24 teams (probably to allow Scotland in) Who else thinks this should be documented? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Funkyduncan (talk • contribs) 17:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

1964 Spanish flags

The Spanish flag in 1964 is not the one pictured. This should be changed.

Requested move

2000 UEFA European Football Championship → UEFA Euro 2000 2004 UEFA European Football Championship → UEFA Euro 2004 2012 UEFA European Football Championship → UEFA Euro 2012

— Euro 2008 was moved so this shouldn't be too hard — ¢нαzα93 17:00, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

— I reviewed the proposed move and was about to execute it when I saw that UEFA Euro 2000 still redirected to 2000 UEFA European Football Championship and likewise for UEFA Euro 2004. I think there should be a consensus developed around which naming convention to use. For now, I am going to move the main article at UEFA Euro 2008 back to 2008 UEFA European Football Championship for consistency's sake. Make a consensus-based decision and then we can move all the articles at once if that is the decision. --Richard 05:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

Support

Support for the same reasons stated in the UEFA Euro 2008 move request. Parutakupiu ^{talk || contribs} 01:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but as I have said for the previous two discussions, all of the pages in {{European Football Championship}}, {{European Football Championship qualifying}} and {{European Football Championship squads}} need moving. There has been clear concensus on both the previous discussions, there is no reason why they shouldn't all be moved. - MTC 06:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support, UEFA EURO 2012™ is trademark currently used to promote this event. Please note the all-caps EURO and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks). --TAG 20:20, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. UEFA EURO 2012 is the offical (e.g. [1]) and most known name. --Novelbank 22:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support official name E.G. 20:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support, to comply with Euro 2008 (as they are both upcoming tournaments). Bogdan 17:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Putting the title as Euro20xx makes the article subject more recognisable i.e. people who don't speak english very well will know what it means. Aheyfromhome 11:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Oppose for consistency reasons. Euro 2008 needs to be moved back. — Alex^(U|C|E) 02:07, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The formal name of the event should be the name of the article, without colloquial abbreviations. A redirect from Euro 2012 would suffice for most "lazy" typists (like me). Kevin McE 17:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What makes you think "2012 UEFA European Football Championship" is the official name? The current tournament is referred to as "UEFA Euro 2008" or "Euro 2008" wherever it appears on UEFA.com, and this is referred to as "Euro 2012" when it appears in a news article, that to me says that "UEFA Euro 20xx" or "Euro 20xx" is the official name in all recent cases at least. - MTC 17:48, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

People who oppose a move because of consistency reasons should understand that the articles from the other tournament editions will eventually also have a move request. There just hasn't been the opportunity to request a move for all of them (a mass-move so to speak). Just because the majority of them still hold the extended name doesn't mean that they're the most adequate or that the recent proposed moves should be promptly denied.

To reply to Kevin McE, "UEFA Euro 2012" isn't a colloquial abbreviation. It holds much more of an official status and marketing/publicity load, by UEFA itself (see logos and tournament banners), than the extended name. Try to search Google for both name and see the results. More, try to find in UEFA's website how easy it is to find one name and the other. I think this is enough reasons to validate "UEFA Euro YYYY" as the main name for these articles. The extended name can be added within the article. Parutakupiu ^{talk || contribs} 17:48, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My idea is that the torunaments from 1960–1964 are renamed to YYYY European Nations' Cup (I've requested move for both articles) which was is their official name at that time. From 1968 to 1992, the championship was known as UEFA European Football Championship, so there is no need to move the articles, but from 1996 onwards, UEFA officially calls the tournament UEFA EURO YYYY. Of course, articles should have redirects in the form of "YYYY UEFA European Football Championship" or "UEFA EURO YYYY", to aid their search. Parutakupiu ^{talk || contribs} 15:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]