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Template:Maintained i think someone should talk about how to put together a fly rod. I have 3 types of string and no idea how much of each I should do. Does anyone know?

The easy answer is to go to fly shop and they can explain it or help you set everything up. The next solution is the local library. There are many good books on basics of fly-fishing. Or you can pick one up at the fly shop. If you like the sport, try to find a local club. They often have classes that new fly fishers.

There are three types type of "string". The fly line is thicker and heaver than normal fishing line. This is the weight that you cast and this line pulls the light fly along. Fly lines are tapered and can come in many different tapers for different situations. Make sure the put the correct end on the reel first. Most fly lines have a tag that say which end goes on the reel first.

One important item with fly line is to get the right line for your rod. There are industry standards for the weight of the line and rods. So, a 5 weight line should work on a 5 weight rod. The smaller the number, the lighter the line. One weight is VERY light (small trout and pan fish and 12 is very heavy (big saltwater fish).

Next is the leader. This goes from the fly line to the fly. It is tapered, thicker at the fly line end, thinner at the fly end. Leaders are usually made of nylon monofilament or the same material as "regular" fishing line. They idea is the taper helps to transfer the energy of the line down to fly so the line and leader lay out in a straight line and the fly land lightly on the water.

The final piece of line is backing. This goes on the reel first (maybe I should have started with the backing). This is thinner than the fly line so you put some extra line one the reel. When you catch the big one and he takes all you fly line, you have some extra line. Bigger fish will “Take you into your backing”, meaning that the fish made a long run and took all your fly line and some back before you start reeling him in.

I hope this helped. Fly-fishing has a lot of unique ideas and equipment. It takes longer to learn the basic, but it is a lot of fun.

  • This is all really useful advice. Would it be possible for someone to edit the main article with information on the line / rod numbering and its significance?

Possible Terminology Section?

I actually came to this article looking for some more background information (since I'm just starting to dive head first into this myself) and was looking for explinations of terms like action, load/unload (in terms of a fly rod), and some of the more technical differences between fly rods, (like, one handed, two handed and spey rods)

Is this valid? Would this article benefit from having some basic terminology for new fly fishing initiates (like myself)?

theCelestrian

WP:NOT states that we can build glossary pages for specialized terminology. I'm not sure what the current thinking is on including a terminology section within the article itself. Maybe the best thing to do is just write the section–but move to a glossary page if anybody complains. EricR 18:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here is there a lot to do

First some fakts

AFTMA Fly line weight ratings (grains) Weight Grains Tolerable Rang

1 60 54-66

2 80 74-86

3 100 94-106

4 120 114-126

5 140 134-146

6 160 152-168

7 185 177-193

8 210 202-218

9 240 230-250

10 280 270-290

11 330 318-342

12 380 368-392

Grains are weighed over front 30 feet of line.


ST DT WF SH ?

I don't think that the casting section is verry good

"using the wrist to soften the motion" If you do that you har making large loops and there for reduse line speed

"Generally, the rod is moved from the 10 o'clock position to the 2 o'clock position without letting the line touch the water or ground." Hmm stop using the wrist then the water stops being a problem

"The objective of this motion is to "load" the rod tip with energy and allow the energy to travel the length of the fly line creating distance and control." The art of fly casting is to use the hole rod

"This motion, known as 'false casting', can be used to pay out line, dry a soaked fly, reposition a cast, or show off one's casting abilities. False casting continues until the desired amount of fly line is airborne:"

This is bad!!!! Chep false cast to a minimum. casting spokes fish NEVER False cast over fish False cast is used to load the rode, can if you realy good be done in 1/2 False cast (back) The trick is to start with the rod tip low nerly in the wather with no slack in the line then you can shoot the line the distance that you need 15 - 25 m . Drying flys well make a cirkel with the rood tip in the first part of the back strock then the fly will accelerate out of the wather and make cirkel movment in the air and the will be wiped out of the fly. (looks nice to and easy to learn)

"perhaps as little as 3m (roughly 10 feet) for small streams, but averaging around 10m (30 feet) in most freshwater conditions. Anything over 18m (60 feet) in freshwater is likely to impress fellow anglers more than the fish," yes most fish are likly to be close up but there are situasjons that you need to have the distence there. its nice to be able to cast 30 or even 40+

This is bad we need people that know this stuff to edit this it was by chance that i bumpt in to this sight Even if i know i thing or to about this stuff (Pro) Im dyslestix and from Norway ....

Even if this info needs to be generic Please don't but in faults


SHF


Ummm... underwater "terrestrials"?

The article states "Wet fly fishing is subdivided into various types such as nymphs, streamers, emergers, terrestrials, and true wet flies. They may be fished on all types of water, but they are all fished beneath the surface of the water."

I thought terrestrials were naturally dries?! They fall from the banks onto the water and usually float nearby the water surface, if not on it. For example... Gum beetles, club sandwich, stimulator, and turck's tarantula. I've fished a mini muddler as a terrestrial before (without any luck) but, that can be intended to float just under the water's surface, as a true wet fly. I think of wet flies kind of differently than streamers and nymphs, personally.

I know I'm kicking tires, but, I love to kick tires about fly fishing :) *thumbs up* -- Protocoldroid 04:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, while terrestrials are mostly dry (topwater) fly, there are terrestrials that are fished subsurface (such as the wet ant) and are intended to represent a drowned insect. 'Wet fly' covers a broad territory and there is no real agreement except that the wet fly is is a type of fly that is fished subsurface.

Modified the overview a bit

Hi all!

First, thanks for writing an article on this topic of great personal importance - to us all, I think! Nice work! I am now trying to contribute to the best of my abilities.

To start with, I made some modifications to the overview section of this article. I hope something like this is allowed and not taken as a sign of arrogance. My only interest is to make the sections concerning fly fishing as good as possible. Anyway, I modified the beginning so that the first paragraph now (hopefully) defines what fly fishing is. I also modified the sections below a bit to allow some generalizations: flies need not be tied on hooks (e.g., tube flies), line weight is not used always to deliver the fly (water lobbing, elliptical casts), dries need not be treated with a floatant, and one can use multiple flies at once. I also added a two-word explanation to the concept of "streamers" (probably a completely unknown concept to a first-time reader, whereas "nymphs" and "emergers" at least provide a hint).

I will be looking through the other sections in the future.

All the best,

Jarmo H

Hi, please do not make the 'Overview' Section a colossal repetition of the material contained in the body of the article. There is no need to needlessly include a complete description of fly casting in the overview; that is already covered in the 'How To' Section. Article length should also be taken into account when going into the minutiae of specific types of fly lines, etc. - this is a general article on fly fishing. Instead, start or add to a more specific topic 'fly lines', 'artificial fly', etc. if you plan to add much detail on specific aspects. - T 30 OCT 2006

Overview: tried to improve the definition of dry/wet

I tried to clarify the definition of dry/wet. Firstly, I removed emergers from the list of wets, because a lot of them are really dries (according to our definition, according to which a partly submerged fly is a dry). Also, the association between dry (wet) flies and dry-fly (wet-fly) fishing is not one-to-one, so I modified the text to reflect this. I also removed the sentence about streams vs. lakes from this paragraph, because it seemed to be somewhat unnecessary at this point of text.

Jarmo H 09:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok my revert

Happy New Year Eagle....just wanted to let you know that I reverted back an article you changed Fly Fishing. I believe you thought there was vandalism but in actuality, I though, a well written contribution by Mike. Once again "Happy New Year". Shoessss 20:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted because I am and was patrolling for spam. Adding 4 links to website forums, seems to qualify to me as extra fluff that takes away from the quality of the article. I would advise that most if not all of those should be removed, per our guidelines on external links. If any of them are useful, please include them as citations, just remember to check and make sure that they are reliable sources. I am sorry that I had reverted the rest of an otherwise good edit. —— Eagle 101 (Need help?) 21:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC) Note this message is also on the talk page of Fly fishing[reply]

I did see your comments on Mike's page about the links....I'll go an clean them up. Just wanted to give you a heads up on what was going on. Shoessss 21:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

After reviewing the External Links guidelines, I removed the Fly Fishing forum links. They are useful but were not appropriate. --Mike Cline 21:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fly Fishing Destinations

I propose creating a completely new article entitled Fly Fishing Destinations and completely removing the section entitled "Popular Locations". The volume of information that could be included under this topic is extraordinary and would benefit from some geographical organization--by state, country, etc. and references to available species. There is already alot of good information in wikipedia on lots of bodies of water--lakes, rivers, streams, oceans. etc that would not have to be duplicated. If we began adding that type of information to the "Popular Locations" heading, this article would become extremely large and unwieldy. Additionally, the heading "Popular" is somewhat subjective. Who determines what is popular? Any thoughts? --Mike Cline 21:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The "Popular locations" section, in my opinion, has become a problem. As Mike has said, "popular" is a POV term and there is no way to measure what is and what isn't "popular". Consequently, everyone feels compelled to list his favourite spot leading to substantial creep in the size and cohesiveness of the section. I've pulled the section and archived it here just in case someone has a use for it. (Oops, forgot to sign) — Dave (Talk | contribs) 13:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Popular locations"
Freshwater fly fishing is practiced throughout the United States, with the greatest number of fly fisherman located in the northern United States and Canada, especially the Rocky Mountain States of Utah, Idaho, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, California, Alaska, and the provinces of British Columbia and Alberta. West Yellowstone is arguably the hub for fly fishing in North America, though the wild waters of Alaska almost certainly surpass any of the lower 48 states for size and number of fish caught. Famous North American waters include Henrys Fork (home to Mike Lawson) and Silver Creek (Ernest Hemingway's favorite haunt) in Idaho, Glacier National Park and the Yellowstone, Bighorn, Bitterroot and Madison Rivers in Montana, the Kenai River in Alaska, the Deschutes, North Umpqua, and the Rogue Rivers in Oregon, the Pit, Hat Creek, McCloud River, Owens and the East Walker Rivers in California, the Upper Delaware and the Green River in Utah, the Arkansas, Frying Pan, South Platte and the Blue Rivers in Colorado, Lee's Ferry on the Colorado River in Arizona, the San Juan river and Rio Chama in New Mexico, the Watauga River in northeast Tennessee, the Nueces and Guadalupe Rivers of Texas, the White River in Arkansas, and the Tellico River in North Carolina.
Other popular fly fishing destinations include the Canadian Maritime provinces and Newfoundland and Labrador, Island Lake river and God's Lake River in northern Manitoba for Brook Trout, the upper Great Lakes region, New England. Most of the Appalachian corridor also offers abundant opportunities for fly fishing, both for trout and for smallmouth bass. Many of the traditional “Holy Waters” of North American fly fishing can be found in these areas: New York’s Beaverkill River, Michigan’s Au Sable and Two Hearted rivers (the latter made famous by Hemingway’s “Big Two-Hearted River” although there is widespread agreement that internal evidence in the story suggests he was actually describing the nearby Fox river), Wisconsin’s Bois Brule River, Pennsylvania’s Letort River, Penns Creek, and numerous others. There are also tens of thousands of miles of lesser known smaller rivers and streams. One of the lesser known rivers in New England is The Upper Connecticut. In Northern New Hampshire close to the Canadian Border the river is a fast flowing stream that feeds many lakes on its way to Long Island Sound. Brown and Rainbow Trout and Land-Locked Salmon are numerous on The Trophy Stretch in the Pittsberg, New Hampshire area.
In Europe, Scandinavia is a popular destination for fly fishing, especially for salmon, and good trout fishing may be had in the Alpine mountain regions of Austria, Italy, Yugoslavia, Germany, and Switzerland. England is still home to the sport as well, varying from the stunning chalk streams in south to remote hill lochs in the north. In addition to River Test, River Itchen, the Kennet, the Lambourn, and the Avon in the same area of southern England may also be considered legendary. Along with the River Don and the River Dee, Scotland boasts the River Spey after which an entire genre of two-handed fly rods and casting techniques is named. Ireland has some of the most prolific sea trout and salmon fishing known. There is also abundant brown trout, pike, etc. The Connemara Region, along with its stunning scenery, holds Lakes Corrib, Mask And Conn with spectacular fishing for numerous species. The rivers, streams and estuaries are too numerous to name. Saltwater fly fishing is also rapidly growing in popularity both in the Atlantic and The Irish Sea.
On the other side of the globe, the active geothermal area around Lake Taupo on the North Island of New Zealand is another world-famous trout destination, particularly the Tongariro River near Turangi. Australia also has many fly fishing destinations, especially in the South-Eastern states of Tasmania, Victoria and New South Wales. The central highland region of Tasmania has built a reputation for exceptional lake fly fishing.
Salt-water fly fishing has also rapidly expanded in popularity, especially along the Gulf Coast and the Florida Keys for such species as bonefish, tarpon, redfish, and permit, and along the mid-Atlantic and Northeast coasts for bluefish and striped bass. The Bahamas and Belize also provide outstanding opportunities for salt-water fly angling. Christmas Island in the Pacific is famous for bonefish, and various parts of coastal Australia offer a wide variety of saltwater fly fishing action.
In recent years, more exotic locations for reaching native populations of species have become popularized such as Mongolia ( for the largest Salmonid species in the world, the taimen), and the Kamchatka Peninsula in Russia, believed to be the site of one of the largest salmon runs in the world.
More and more fishermen are also discovering non-traditional fly rod targets like catfish and carp. The Red River around Lockport, Manitoba is a great place for both these species.
In Castel di Sangro (Italy) there's the International Museum of the fly fishing Stanislao Kuckiewicz.
In my a view a very good move. Apart from being somewhat subjective, the potential scope is enormous. I would encourage those of us who want to write about the fishing at a particular location, include the information on the article page for the body of water. That is what I have done for my favorite fly fishing locations.

--Mike Cline 22:02, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 22:34, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have created a Category named 'Fly Fishing Waters' [[Category:Fly Fishing Waters]] to be included on articles on specific bodies of water--Seas, Lakes, Rivers, etc--that contain references to Fly Fishing. By including this category in the water body articles, a good list of fly fishing location will eventually be compiled. I would encourage contributors to add fly fishing content to their favorite water body articles and include this category.

--Mike Cline 15:29, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think this an elegant solution. Good job, Mike! — Dave (Talk | contribs) 16:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Potential Conflict of Interest Mike Cline

In the past I have sold flies and fly rods that I have built to friends and occasionally on Ebay. I don't make my living from Fly Fishing. Please evaluate any contributions I make to this article for NPOV in light of the above.--Mike Cline 10:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re Chosing a Rod Length

To me this seems very opinionated and is not supported by any references. When I saw this topic added, I expected to see a survey of different rod lengths and types, yet it turned out to be apparently one person's view about how to chose a rod. For example:

1: pick the longest length rod you can get away with.

Not only is this vague, it simply doesn't reflect well referenced concensus in the world of fly fishing. In fact, I doubt if there is any consensus on this topic.

I would suggest if this section is too be retained, it first is properly referenced and that most if not all differing views on "Chosing a Rod Length" are included and attributed to their proponents.

--Mike Cline 16:12, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, rod length/type depends on the context of the fishing conditions. The external link recently added by someone and removed by another for not apparently adhering to Wikipedia:External links(http://www.mytroutfishingtips.com/rodtips.htm) has some information on the topic (not that I am saying it is in any way definitive). --Zven 20:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

River fishing

The topics of drift and mending the line are not covered for Dry fishing and nymphing. Without good drift it is less likely to catch trout --Zven 21:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Really should maintain Separate Notes and References sections

See WP:Citing sources see relevant guidelines below

Maintaining a separate "References" section in addition to "Notes" It can be helpful when footnotes are used that a separate "References" section also be maintained, in which the sources that were used are listed in alphabetical order. With articles that have lots of footnotes, it can become hard to see after a while exactly which sources have been used, particularly when the footnotes also contain explanatory text. A References section, which lists citations in alphabetical order, helps readers to see at a glance the quality of the references used.

--Mike Cline 12:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Added class and importance rating

This isn't just unilateral action - Please feel free to discuss and change the class and importance ratings. We've got to start somewhere, though, and I'm also testing the classes of Importance since they were just added to the template. LaughingVulcan Laugh With Me / Logical Entries 04:47, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected a template error. LaughingVulcan Laugh With Me / Logical Entries 05:32, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Fishing Assessment Drive

Template:Fishingassessment Added assessment template. Also pulled current rating and importance tags, only because I added them (and accidentally made this a GA article when it was no such thing.) Add: Completed assessment. 02:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Recent Additions by 68.186.107.101

I posted the following comment on the talk page for the above.

===Additions To Fly Fishing Article=== Your recent additions to the Fly Fishing article are welcome. I have some concern that they were copied verbatim from some other text, but I may be wrong. I would encourage you to provide well cited references for most if not all that you have added. Having well referenced material makes the article far most useful to the reader as well as educational for those of us who actively contribute to the article.--Mike Cline 18:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

After reading the new material several times, I am serious concerned that it was copied directly from another, not so accurate source.

--Mike Cline 18:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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