Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Pugilist Club

The Pugilist Club

Delete - Non-notable club, possibly a7 with a {{db-club}}. Cool Blue^{talk to me} 16:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Don't speedy it because it's under construction, but I agree it's probably not notable. Shalom ^Hello 16:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I figured not to speedy it. That would've been a bad move. Cool Blue^{talk to me} 16:49, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless sourced to show notability. Better to delete it sooner than to have someone put lots of time into it and have it be deleted anyway. Friday (talk) 16:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Either a hoax or hopelessly NN: "Pugalist Club" gets no Google hits, the more likely "Pugilist Club" gets only unrelated hits, nothing to do with Purdue as far as I can tell. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:53, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't DeletePlease don't remove. I am constructing this page based on creditable sources. To learn about the club in the meantime, please go to the list of collegiate secret societies and open up Purdue's Sacred Order of Skull and Crescent and read that group's talk page. There has been much interest about the group even on Greek System talk pages that expressed a wish for an article about PC on Wikipedia. This is no hoax and please be patient while it is under construction. There has even been a posting about the group on the general talk page for collegiate secret societies as well. I thank you for your concern and patience.

But here's the thing: we're not discussing the quality of the page, or the amount of information, we're discussing the notability of the subject. Cool Blue^{talk to me} 17:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't DeletePlease be patient. It is very relevant as secret society. Vitus Barbaro of the Barbaro family is a very, very important person. People want to know about it in relation to The Sacred order of skull and Crescent and in relation to Vitus Barbaro. Please be patient. Those that know P.C. know how important it is, and those that don't will be educated with the page. Thanks again.

Delete. University students unable to spell pugilist correctly deserve neither a club nor a WP article. Deor 18:21, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't DeleteGive me a break- give a chance to write in peace and then fine tune and look over any spelling errors grammer etc. Everyone is a critic. I will fix, right now, to please those without patience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.54.98.111 (talk • contribs)

But that's not what we're saying; the club's not notable. It doesn't matter about the spelling or whatever; that's not what we're here for. Cool Blue^{talk to me} 19:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Nontability not really established. Comparison with The Sacred Order of Skull and Crescent carries little weight since that organisation is much older - but its article is equally unreferenced. (The spelling I have fixed free-of-charge since there was a duplicate article on the correct spelling - sadly even at premier universities spelling no longer seems to be considered important. Anon - a) kindly have the integrity to sign on before editing and to sign your comments, b) instead of leaving "give me a break" messages, why not direct your efforts to actually providing some references.) -- RHaworth 19:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't DeleteHalf of what you said is not even true. 1) I referred you to relevant talk pages that express why this article is important. 2) Crescent is referenced- it's info coming from one primary source with all aditional info cited. 3) I already asked for those to out there to be patient. 4) When you replaced my second article with this old one, you have removed half of the valid sources that I added since. I did not ask for your help on this article, I asked for you to be patient while I'm writing it, sourcing it, and fine tuning it. Which no one seems to respect, even after I asked politely many times. Relax my friend- all will be well. I'm also not going to respond to this page anymore- it is taking away from more important writing to be done-please be reasonable.

"I did not ask for your help on this article..." You don't own articles. Cool Blue^{talk to me} 20:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Could you please cite the author and publisher, or an ISBN, for The Golden Books of Venetian Nobility for the House of Barbaro, 65.54.98.111 (I can find no record of the book's existence), as well as the pages on which the Pugilist Club is mentioned in Champions of the Ring.

Deor 20:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Golden Books are the official record of all nobility/royalty under the government in Venice that sources information of noble and royal families. The way I referenced it, is the way historians will write it when it is used as a source. As for the "Champions of the Ring", I'm not using that source to talk about P.C.. I am going to also talk about Sullivan and Corbett that have relevance to this club, and the material that I'm talking about for those bare-knuckle boxers comes from that source. I just have gotten to writing that part yet, but I thought that I would first secure that source at the bottom, even before I wrote the relevant portion- I'm getting to it. P.C. was a really interesting club that had a very sophisticated culture and symbolism pertaining to boxers/information contained within that book. Thanks

Also, I may take a little break, and I might not finish the article completely today. Only after I remove the construction tag, will it be your official siginl that I'm done with it- so again, I please ask for you all to be patient. P.C. is very interesting, relevant to Purdue history, directly connected to The Sacred Order of Skull and Crescent, and possibly linked to NASA, and Blue Book, and other controversial things.-Thanks

I also want to make clear, since the name of the club might be throwing some people off, This club isn't just a boxing club, it is a collegiate secret society/final club and has relevence to the list of collegiate secret societies. It's isn't just a sporting club, but rather a collegiate secret society that used athletics and boxing imagery as symbols for their society. This group is very significant. Don't let the name throw you as if it is were some typical university sporting club. It is a secret societ just like Skull and Bones etc. that was attached to The Sacred Order of Skull and Crescent, and ultimately will lead to Crescent being shut down on campus, so a page on P.C. will fill in the gaps for SOSC as well.
Comment. I'm beginning to think that this page is only the tip of a more elaborate hoax, involving, at least, the articles The Sacred Order of Skull and Crescent and Barbaro family. User:Tiki-two, who created both this article and the Skull and Crescent one—and who has, along with various 65.54.xxx.xx IPs, been practically their only substantive editor—has also made many, many edits to Barbaro family, inserting, among other dubious information, material about one Vitus (or V. V. or Vitus Sebastian) Barbaro, a "very, very important person" also mentioned in these Purdue articles. A Google search for "Pugilist Club"+Purdue yields zero non-WP hits, as do searches for "Vitus Barbaro," "V. V. Barbaro," "Vitus Sebastian Barbaro," and ""Sacred Order of Skull and Crescent." If I'm wrong, I owe this guy an apology; but I think it's about time that we 86ed all this balderdash. Deor 22:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, unless reliable sources are provided. Part of a pattern of hoaxes all revolving around List of collegiate secret societies from a group of anons who feel they can slap anything they want in there without sources and then become hostile when challenged. Corvus cornix 22:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This may well be part of a larger hoax, but even if it isn't - the page as it stands fails the notability and verifiability tests. And the other pages created by the author deserve equally close inspection. Terraxos 23:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am Tiki-two- and no respond to this page untill I post because I am trying to respond and keep getting edit conflicts. wait till I post!

Please explain how the Pugalist Club, founded in 1991, had anything to do with Project Blue Book, which was shut down in 1969. Corvus cornix 23:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]