User talk:Wik

User_talk:Wik/Archive July-August 2003

Thanks for all the info on Albania. I only have one minor quibble and that is that it would be great if you would mention something in the Summary as to what the edit was. I found it annoying myself, but it helps in keeping track of things. See for example: Summary field --Dori 22:57, 1 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. It's annoying but useful. I'll try to remember. --Wik 00:29, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Wik ar eyou shore the presenter of ESC 1957 is spelt "Anaid Iplikjan"? most sites i have seen spell it: Plikjan? the 1956 is more spread out equal so possibly just another way of spelling it. - fonzy

Yes, quite. And no, the 1956 is not "another way of spelling it." Fihpello is definitely wrong (looks like an OCR error). --Wik 20:00, Sep 3, 2003 (UTC)

ok, but could u tell me why you know the 1957 one is spelt Iplikjan and not Plikjan? - fonzy

Because all Plikjan references obviously derive from the same erroneous source. Just exclude the word "Sendesaal" in the Google search and Iplikjan will be ahead. This narrative is also convincing. --Wik 20:33, Sep 3, 2003 (UTC)

Wik that doesn't really answer my question. How do you know that it is correct? u could say all Iplikjan sources all derive form the same errounous source. I do want to know the correct one. Do you know who the person is? -fonzy

No you can't say that. The Iplikjan sources are varied. The Plikjan sources almost all have this Sendesaal info, suggesting they're just copied from each other. --Wik 08:29, Sep 4, 2003 (UTC)

Dear Wik: Instead of putting diacritics in the Partido Nuevo Progresista page, you should go to Rafael Hernandez Colon, Luis A. Ferre, etc etc and remnme those pages with the diacritics, since my computer cannot do that. I am writing with an American computer because I live in the United States, so I can not do that myself. But you seem to be able to. Im a Puerto Rican and I had to write about those people with the equipment I have, because I want the whole world to be able to know about Puerto Ricans who have made an impact. By putting the diacritics in the PNP page instead of renaming the proper, biographical pages with the correct writing, you might lead other people into believing that these Puerto Ricans have no article, which they do.

Thanks, and God bless you!

Sincerely yours, Antonio Puerto Rican power Martin

I can't do all at once. That's no reason for you to revert. And your computer most certainly can do it. If you don't have those characters directly accessible on your keyboard, you can still use ALT combinations (e.g. ALT-164 -> ñ) or just cut and paste. --Wik 10:52, Sep 7, 2003 (UTC)

Good work! While I understand you can't do it all at once, I had to revert because I didnt want people to go through the work of writing about these people when we already had, in fact, an article about the person. I hope you understand that.

I guess Ill try using the ALT combi's. Thanks and God bless!

Sincerely yours, Antonio all but one screw gone Martin

Daniel C. Boyer

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts at Talk:Daniel C. Boyer/move to user:. Thanks! -- Oliver P. 01:43, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Hi Wik. I've just put together a register of Wikipedia developers, including phone numbers, email addresses, etc., which Wikipedians can use to contact developers in case of server failure. On the basis of your copious contributions, you have been selected to be one of about 20 people to receive this list. The only problem is that you don't have an email address registered which I can send it to. Could you please email me at t!starling#physics!unimelb!edu!au (or something like that, I can never remember the right punctuation) -- Tim Starling 03:16, Sep 13, 2003 (UTC)

Re: Presidents of Ecuador, this is largely based on my not knowing very much about Ecuadorian history, and thus not knowing what the people are normally called. I could easily put the metronyms in, if that's the best option, but I don't know enough to take out obscure middle names, so that'd have to be up to you. john 22:54, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Why, most lists will have the common names rather than the full names. See for example [1]. I think listing full names without indicating what the essential parts are and what the obscure is more misleading than useful. --Wik 23:17, Sep 16, 2003 (UTC)

Rulers.org does not list the most common names. it takes off any part of the name that follows an "y", but doesn't remove extra last name that doesn't follow an "y". I agree that shorter names is probably better, which is why I probably shouldn't have made a list of Ecuadorian presidents, but I just hate those red links (especially on the lists of incumbents page - people shouldn't create links there unless they're either in the process of creating a list, or a list already exists.) john 23:48, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I don't see that about the "y". The site has "Sixto Durán Ballén" (without Cordovez, although it doesn't have a "y"), and it does list "Antonio Borrero y Cortazár". I don't know if it's really the most common name in each case, but it seems like a good basis. Otherwise just use this Ecuadorian site: [2]. --Wik 00:26, Sep 17, 2003 (UTC)

Please explain reversion of the link to George Hamilton-Gordon, 4th Earl of Aberdeen!? Mintguy 18:22, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I I see my mistake now. I read his entry too quickly. It was referring to his grandson. Sorry. Mintguy 18:29, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)

When I write M'Arthur I mean M'Arthur. Dr Adam Carr 10:50, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I don't think it's a question of how he himself spelled his name. This M' is just an old way of writing Mc in general, sort of like the old "long s". Both were gradually given up, but that doesn't mean individual people changed the spelling of their names. Different newspapers at different times changed from M' to Mc and from the long s to the standard s. And we wouldn't mention it in an article either that a person once had a long s in his name, we just write it with the standard s. --Wik 15:54, Sep 20, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Wik, I've been very favorably impressed with your contributions. Keep up the great work! I hope we can take care of our differing views of what belongs in the Yucatan article, if we havn't already. In my opinion, it's better to add more information on history than to take it out! Cheers, -- Infrogmation 22:14, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Sure. I just thought the original version was rather misleading in simply saying "Yucatán was an independent republic" when this was never recognized. I see you have much improved it now. --Wik 00:22, Sep 21, 2003 (UTC)

Wik: I know Korean names are spelled on inverse. But look at all the websites and news places, and his name is written exactly how I wrote it. A couple of them did write it on inverse, but since most of them had it the way I put it, I dont wanna say Im right or wrong about how the name is written, but anmybody would think my way is the right way to write it!

Antonio Yes and No Martin

I can't believe you're still missing the point. Yes, the whole name is correctly Lee Kyang Hae. And that means that Lee is the surname and Kyang Hae the given name. You, however,

referred to him in the second instance as "Kyang Hae" as if this was the surname, instead of "Lee",
alphabetized him under H in the list of famous suicides, instead of under L.
and listed him as "Hae, Lee Kyang" in the list of people, instead of "Lee Kyang Hae".

Get it? --Wik 06:34, Sep 21, 2003 (UTC)

Your page has exceeded 32k, please archive it. Re: Coca-Cola: if the company says there has never been any cocaine in their product; then it would be inappropriate for us to say that, with absolute certainty, that there is, although, Im not sure how Coca-Cola can make that denial... Pizza Puzzle

Read the paragraph again. The company does not deny that there was ever cocaine in it, they just weasel around it by saying it was never used as an "added ingredient" (meaning it was just a byproduct of the coca leaves). --Wik 23:24, Sep 21, 2003 (UTC)

Blanking articles

Hello, Wik. If you'd like an article to be deleted, please list it on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion, and add the Vfd warning (which you can find e.g. at Wikipedia:Boilerplate text) to the top of the article to alert others to the fact that the article has been nominated for deletion. Blanking a page will not get it deleted, unless of course someone happens to notice your edit summary when you are blanking it. But really you shouldn't expect other people to be watching out for your messages and doing the work for you. The blanking is in any case not helpful, as it hides the content of the article, which is the very thing that people need to be able to see in order to come to a decision on whether or not it should be deleted. Thanks for your attention. -- Oliver P. 02:53, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I really can't be bothered to place patent nonsense on VfD. I find that admins usually notice my edit summary and then delete it. --Wik 03:13, Sep 22, 2003 (UTC)

The article I was talking about was Iain McCallum, which wasn't "patent nonsense" under the definition to be found at Wikipedia:Patent nonsense. That only covers stuff which doesn't make sense. (Logically enough!) The page didn't fit into any of the categories for which speedy deletion is an option (for which see Wikipedia:Deletion policy), and so it should not have been deleted without being listed on Vfd for a week first. So really it would be better if you would list similar pages there in future.

In any case, even if a page is patent nonsense, by blanking it you hide that fact, and force the would-be deleter to look into the page's history to check what was there before. So really you are only making extra work for people. If you think that a genuine piece of patent nonsense has been missed by a sysop, and you wish to draw attention to it, it would be better to add a note to the page (saying "please delete this" or whatever) than to remove the offending content. That way the content would be left in view for any sysops to see and make a judgement on. -- Oliver P. 03:26, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

For me, this was patent nonsense, and I find the idea that such should be listed for a week on VfD ridiculous. So if others believe some nonsense is not obvious enough to be immediately deleted, I let them list it on VfD. And I'm blanking nonsense precisely so that it is not immediately visible. Sysops check the edit history in any case before deleting a page. Adding a note instead of blanking would make no difference there. But in case they miss it entirely, then at least the page is blank, which is second best to a deletion. --Wik 03:38, Sep 22, 2003 (UTC)

The term "patent nonsense" has an agreed meaning on the Wikipedia, as described at Wikipedia:Patent nonsense. If you would would like to get that definition changed, please feel free to discuss it on the relevant talk page. Until such a time as it is changed, it would be helpful if you would use the term in the same way as everyone else, to avoid misunderstandings. (Personally, I think it makes perfect sense to restrict the use of the term "patent nonsense" to content which doesn't actually make sense; any extension of the term would be counterintuitive.) In the meantime, please list pages that you want to be deleted on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion as usual. As you point out above, deletion is preferable to blanking. Thanks. -- Oliver P. 00:43, 23 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Ah, Laming Worthington-Evans! I knew "Lamar" was wrong, but couldn't recall what it actually was, so guessed "Lamer", a rather unfortunate choice. john 05:32, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Why do you have an agenda against me? Theres always someone who tries to make life impossible when one is doing a good job. Thats all I have to say to you so dont even bother anwering cause I am not listening to you anymore.

Antonio Last Word Martin

Do it yourself

Wik, why not become a sysop? Then you can block vandals yourself. --Uncle Ed 22:39, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I don't know if that's a good idea. I'm sure some people would complain that some of the "vandals" I blocked weren't really vandals or that some patent nonsense I deleted wasn't really patent nonsense. --Wik 14:02, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Why did you change the dates of reign of Qianlong Emperor of China? These dates do not match those of the table of Qing Dynasty. According to my source (The Rise of Modern China by Immanuel C.Y. Hsu), the dates of his reign are 1736 to 1795. olivier 23:20, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Does your source have exact dates? According to my source the reign is 18 Oct 1735 - 9 Feb 1796 ([3]). --Wik 23:30, Sep 25, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks. Let's move the discussion to Talk:Qianlong Emperor of China. olivier 00:06, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Wik, check the recent discussion on the WikiEn (Wiki English) discussion group. Also contact Jimbo Wales. EntmootOfTrolls has a history of vandalism and making death threats, in order to push his anarchist-anti-Semitic-anti-capitalist-pseudo-leftist views. He is an extreme looney, and we are considering contacting the FBI. This is no joke. RK 14:24, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)