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Need help to undo a redirect

Hi! Maybe you remember me: recently you closed a GA Review for an article of mine. Sorry for bothering you, but I need an admin because of the article János Vitéz. It's a very simple thing: I changed János Vitéz into János Vitéz (poem), but then a user in this discussion made me see the error of my ways, so now I need to change it back. But I can't undo the redirect unless an administrator deletes the empty page János Vitéz. I checked WP:AFD but I'm not sure which category it belongs to. Can you delete it? It's really not questionable at all. --Zmaj 10:28, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Silly me. Thanks anyway. I'm sure you'll be an admin pretty soon (if you want the hassle, that is). --Zmaj 10:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

== Recent edit to T:TDYK ==

Hi, I'm sorry, but I had to place back your removal of the July 22 nom. July 22 has expired; it is 8 days old, and five days is the limit. Please pick articles from only the last five days. Please do not add this to the next update. regards, -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 15:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Gosh, you're right! I had multiple windows open and grabbed from the wrong spot. Thanks for the save! That's too bad though, the article would have been a good one for DYK. --JayHenry 15:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

== Request to Stop ==

I rewrote the article with the verifiable sources that Wikipedia requires. HoulihanLokey 16:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

You introduce heavy POV to the article, it qualifies for speedy deletion under CSD criteria A7 as blatant advertising. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 16:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

When I wrote this, I tried to parallel the writing style of the other links on the page "List of Investment Banks" but please let me know if this is the type of edit you are looking for:

Today, Houlihan Lokey is a middle-market investment banking firm that consistently ranks among the top 10 U.S. M&A advisors as tracked by research firm Thomson Financial. The firm has led Mergers & Acquisitions Journal’s annual M&A fairness opinion advisory rankings for the past seven years. Houlihan Lokey was named IFR European Restructuring House in 2006 and has advised the creditors’ committees in three of the largest U.S. bankruptcies – Enron Corp., WorldCom Inc. and Conseco Inc.<sup>1

1</sup> Berry, Kit (November 7, 2005). “Houlihan Officers Sell Shares as Part of Orix Takeover,” Los Angeles Business Journal.
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I placed the text with citations in the userspace. Let me know if you see anything that needs to be edited. Thank you

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If your name is Anonymous Dissident...

...doesn't that mean, at least technically, that you aren't anonymous anymore? HalfShadow 06:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh damn. I was hoping that would create a logic loop and you'd short out and/or explode, like in Star Trek... HalfShadow 06:47, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

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wow, certianly backlogged. Could you get the suggestions put on the next update for me ?I could tak eit from there. Wizardman 23:50, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Alright, done. I had to leave for about an hour, and was very disappointed to find otu that it STILL hadn't been updated. Needless to say, it's done now, lol. Hey, if you promise to update this every so often, I'll gladly nom you for adminship in a few weeks :P Wizardman 01:28, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Some advice:stop advertising that you are 12 years old

There is some nervousness about children under age 13 revealing their ages (Internet safety and all that).

Also, when you next go for your RFA, don't advertise your age. Let other people assume that you are an adult. If your edits don't give away your age, why should you.

--Richard 06:58, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you, but I also disagree. I am not particularly bothered too heavily with internet safety - I have only revealed my first name, a very ambiguous approximation of where I am usually located, and the fact that I am 12. But, since you have provided some good advice about RFA in the past, I will do as you say and not 'advertise' it any more. Thanks for the insight. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 07:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, I wouldnt say that advertising is the best word; perhaps 'mentioning' is better - its not like I'm 'showing off' or anything - I used it to provide an example and some context at WT:RFA. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 07:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Understood. That's why I didn't mention it earlier although I considered doing so. The "Internet safety" thing is probably a non-issue. However, it's obvious that mentioning your age will hurt you more on RFA than help you. Why give people an excuse to be age-ist? --Richard 07:08, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

No reason, I suppose. I guess there are certain unchangeable details that will invariably prove 'hurtful' in certain situations, and where a non-mention will prove the better course of action. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 07:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

By the way, when are you going on adminship again? I've already got Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Anonymous Dissident 2 watchlisted, and it's still a red link... --Dark Falls ^talk 10:55, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Anything less than 2 months interval is a recipe for getting a boatload of opposes. 3 months is a better bet. Don't be in a hurry. --Richard 22:03, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with that. I'm always wearing of an RfA that comes hot on the heels of the previous one, as it shows a certain amount of over-eagerness that makes several people wary. Time is needed between RfAs to fully address any issues that may have come up in the previous attempt, and only time will show if those changes actually stick.
Also, as an aside, it never occurred to me that you might be 12. I would agree that there's no point in bringing this up; while you don't present yourself as a typical 12 year old, which is good, there's no reason to give people ammunition. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I was suprised at your age too, but yea, seriously, when you bring out your age in the middle of an argument like you did, it either drops your credibility because people believe you, or drops your credibility because people think you are trolling. That being said, I have seen your work many times before, and I would support your next RfA. aliasd·U·T 17:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Military history of Gibraltar during World War II

Hello again. I think I've got the article all ready and sorted now - the lead looks much better to me. If you have the time, have a look and let me know whether you see any other areas requiring improvement, perhaps there is some glaringly obvious flaw that I've overlooked. Otherwise I think I may nominate it for GA. Cheers, Chris.B 10:23, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Nah it's ok, I wouldn't mind if it fails. Nominating it is probably a better way of getting feedback anyway. I normally work with featured pictures candidates so this would be something new for me. Thanks again, Chris.B 10:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

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Good morning or evening (depending on your location) Anonymous Dissident^Talk. I just wanted to take a moment and thank you for your comments on my Rfa application. I believe I now hold the record for the quickest closure! However, that does not negate the input and insight gained. Once again, thank you and have great day. Shoessss |  Chat  12:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

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		I would like to recognize User:Anonymous Dissident for his contributions to DYK and the feat of creating and writing 98% of them.Bakaman 23:30, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Returning the favor :).Bakaman 23:30, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks-Apple River

Thanks for the compliments and it was no problem, it still needs some work before I take it to GA but the basic expansion is done and the article gives a decent overview of the event. As always it needs copy edits and other tweaks but that's nothing too tough. Images might present a slight problem but I am confident that can be overcome with the wealth of resources available in my area, it'll just take a bit of legwork. I can understand being overwhelmed, the topic has a tendency to do that. What got you interested in it or did you just notice the red link? IvoShandor 10:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Excellent. I have found a few discrepancies in some of the sources, I usually like to note those in their own section, so that's one way to expand the article. There are other sources out there, scour Google Books with searches like: Apple River Fort Black Hawk, and you will surely come up with some interesting sources, sometimes I get stuck reading 150 year old books for hours. In addition I have a book on order that is supposed to arrive this week and its a recent publication about the Black Hawk War so I am hoping it will help to clear up a lot of the discrepancies between some of the older histories. Good luck, I am sure you are up to the task. : )IvoShandor 10:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

You have Apple River email. IvoShandor 18:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Art

Sorry to have a go, but I thought it preferable here than slicing up your articles with fact tags (and I haven't got time either). Your recent painting articles are being turned out at fair old rate, but the quality is suffering as a result, which is a real shame as I've seen you turn out good work. The Delaroche article was inaccurate and the Brig "Mercury" and Wanderer Above a Sea of Fog appear to be both largely your own analysis unsupported by the sources you cite. Where are the "rocks" in the Brig "Mercury"? Do you mean the other ships on the horizon? Where is the water in the 'Sea of Fog? The foot note in the Brig "Mercury" is incomplete, the Wanderer has "Brig" in front of the title, and they both need a copy edit. The only "easily perceivable differance" is the colour of the flag? (That's the Turkish flag by the way). Really? Not the number of decks or masts? Link brig and you'll be able to tell which is the Brig "Mercury". You have the whole history of the attack in one of your references, yet hardly mention it (not even to place it in a specific "sea or ocean"). As to the paragraph about the ships being similar or perhaps identical...Yomangani^talk 10:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I've just seen your message, and now I feel really bad, but I hope you take the comments in the spirit they were intended. You aren't doing yourself justice with these articles. Yomangani^talk 10:56, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

You could get them up to spec before they are due. The Delaroche one doesn't say much but I gave it a clean up yesterday. With a little work, the Brig could easily be a good article before it hits DYK. Yomangani^talk 11:10, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, a bit more detail. I took out the inaccuracies in the Bonaparte article. Unfortunately I haven't got time to look up references (and they are probably packed away) so you'll have to try and dig these out of Google books or somewhere, but Delaroche was a stickler for historical accuracy, so what Nappy is wearing and the clothes of the guide were probably researched in some depth. Delaroche looked like Napoleon (or believed he did) which is one of the reasons he was sympathetic to him. His painting was produced on the back of a revival in interest in Napoleon after years of his name being a dirty word (that's why David's painting had been taken out of storage and rehung in the Louvre). Interestingly it was David's painting that broke the tradition of representing Napoleon realistically, so the reworking of that painting in a realistic setting brings the story full circle. The Brig would benefit tremendously just from having the info on the attack added. Your source gives enough detail to give some background, identify the ships, and perhaps even identify the point in the battle (if you can't find info on Aivazovsky then don't try padding it). Wanderer needs to be placed on a mountain top above a sea of fog rather than a next to the ocean, and your analysis needs cutting unless you can provided some sources. Yomangani^talk 11:25, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't see any rocks (and judging from the source on the battle they were in open water). That's not to say that they aren't supposed to be rocks, but unless somebody else says so I wouldn't put it in. I hadn't even noticed the Archers. I'll try and have a look later. Yomangani^talk 11:44, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

There are some excellent sources for the seemingly one-sided battle of the 18- or 20-gun Russian brig Mercury against two Turkish ships of the line - the 110-gun Selimie (flagship of the Kapudan Pasha) and and the 74-gun Real-bey - on 26 May 1829.

There is a different painting of the same battle at Russo-Turkish War (1828–1829), for example, and there is a monument to the captain - Alexander Kazarsky - in Sevastopol![1]

As for The Archers, archery was undergoing a revival as a popular passtime at the time. There are lots of sources on the painting, its subjects - John Dyke Acland and the diplomat Dudley Alexander Sydney Cosby, later 1st Baron Sydney - and the battle to keep the painting in the UK.[2] -- !! ?? 13:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[3] might be useful for The Archers. I'd never seen that painting before, the composition is wonderful, somebody must have written about that. I can see a potential FA hidden in this article, there's a good bit of background, lots to discuss in the painting and the fight to keep it in the UK will round it off nicely. The DYK hook says that Joshua Reynolds never achieved great success or recognition during his lifetime, which isn't in the article, and isn't really true. He was 1st President of the RA, was knighted and held in high regard by some of his contemporaries. He was vilified by the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood but that was recognition in itself. Yomangani^talk 15:50, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I know I haven't got anything on either of those paintings other than perhaps a paragraph in some general art books unless I have something that I've never looked at (which sounds shameful but isn't really). I'd never seen the Archers before. I'm sure there are a lot of sources out there for it though. The link I gave has a bibliography listed, you might try there. It's a lot more interesting than Bonaparte which really only has the comparison with David's version and the back story going for it (there's not a lot to talk about in the painting itself). Yomangani^talk 00:04, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

The Archers is good, but the back story to the Brig makes it the star for me. There is a good Russian page on the boat and the historical incident at: ru:Меркурий (бриг). -- !! ?? 09:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd agree if you can find any commentary on the painting. The Archers has a lot more going for it in the picture itself, but there's probably less of a back story. Yomangani^talk 12:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Thankee! :)

Thank you so much for the kind words, dear Josh! Like I just told Riana, I can't believe it's been that long already... I swear, I feel old! :) Now, we must plan the appropriate time for you to get your own mop and join us, the past generation of admins at the trenches ;) Thanks again, my friend! Love, Phaedriel - 05:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Re; DYK

Done. 11 hour backlog, et one of the shorter backlog I've done, sadly. Wizardman 17:10, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

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Military history of Gib

I thought you would be interested to hear that Military history of Gibraltar during World War II passed the GA nomination with some very positive feedback. So thank you for suggesting it in the first place. Cheers, Chris.B 09:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

 Thanks Chris.B 10:02, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

DYK - Bonaparte Crossing the Alps

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DYK - "Mercury"

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Swedish speedway 1950s

Hi, I'd like to ask you to reconsider your AFD nomination here, the page is not obvious vandalism, but clearly a recently begun page by an editor with no blocks, and minimal edits. I think you would have been better advised to ask them to improve the page rather than jump to AFD. It's not the only solution, and in this case comes across as a bit hasty if not hostile. Mister.Manticore 19:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I did apply forethought, when you consider the content of the first diff. I have now withdrawn the nomination, but I feel, after reading your comment on the AFD, the need to fully explain myself. It meets criteria A1 of the CSD as of the first diff, so it could almost fairly be deleted with the latter reasoning. It provided no context whatsoever, and consisted only of: a rephrasing of the title, and a large amount of wikitables with no explained content. I was not biting the user. He was new, but so are the other new good faith users who create articles that are removed all of the time. I hope you understand.

I also took a look on the essay your recently wrote. I feel that you are strongly correct on many of the bases you covered there, but it was obviously inspired by me, and my noming of the article. I think that perhaps you created it without understanding my reasoning for nominating the article. It was not vandalism. I never even considered that. It was not solely because it was unreferenced, but that further brought to me the suspicion that it may not be good for the project. It was because it provided no context - I could not possibly divine what the article was talking about, what it was describing, as of the first diff. Thats why I nominated it. I did assume good faith, and I fully trust that the editor can become a great Wikipedia user. But, in the end, it all comes down to the article's original lack of context. Finally, I will say that no tag would have been appropriate for that article - cleanup tag would be inappropriate because messiness was not the issue. Wikify - perhaps, but again, not the main problem. There are no tags I know of dealing with absolutely no context, and thats why that particular criteria is part of Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion.

Thanks for your message, and for expressing your concerns. I hope you have a nice day. Regards, -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 22:19, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I have sent a friendly message to the user further explaining the issue. I hope that this is to your liking, and satisfies your concern about my perceived hostility (by the way, the truth is that, while you wanted me to assume good faith, you were not assuming good faith for me, but labeling my nomination as a hostility. I do not edit with hostility, or I try not to. I try to operate with a clear head. I would never nominate an article, or do anything on Wikipedia, if it were fueled by a force of bad will) Thanks -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 22:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I see no evidence of forethought or examination on your part to the extent that would be appropriate. There is absolutely nothing in the article that speaks of vandalism, there's even a reference in the first diff. Those are things that tell me that more consideration needs to be given to the article than just rushing to the delete button. You need to learn to tell the difference between an article that is a problem by its very nature and one that's just developing. Only in the former case would I recommend the precipitous and hasty action you made. And I hope you don't find this offensive, but your protests only serve to convince me that you don't realize your mistake. There is little chance deletion would be appropriate here, let alone CSD. CSD is not to be used for things that are not obviously problems or that might be valid. While I'm glad you do recognize that your nomination was ill-considered, I think you're not truly recognizing your mistake, and are trying to defend yourself. That's not good. So you can't tell what the article is about. Did you try to ask the editor what they were trying to do? No, you didn't. Did you look up the subject at all? I can't see that you did. I don't even know if you performed a google search. I did. I got enough results that I was able to understand that there was something to do with motorcycle racing. Was it really so hard for you to go to news.google.com and search for "Swedish Speedway" ? Knowing that much, I'd have gone to the talk page of the editor and suggested they provide an explanation for this being a sport. You can say it's the burden of an editor to prove things, but I feel it's also the burden of any editors to take reasoned actions instead of automatic responses. (And it doesn't help you that there was a reference in the first edit).

So basically, while I might comprehend your actions, I believe they were highly mistaken. You chose the wrong actions. As for your protests that there was no appropriate template message to use, I'd consider that {{context}} would be appropriate, but um, since when were you limited to template messages anyway? Did you consider a message on the talk page? Or to the user? If you didn't, then that represents a mistake on your part. So next time you see a page like this, try at least one of the steps I suggested. Will they always be required? No, but you'll have to use your judgment. Just try to realize you have more options. I see you consider this a lack of assuming good faith on my part. I am making the good faith assumption that you made a mistake and didn't know there are other things you can do. I consider this to be a problem for you, but this doesn't mean you are a problem. It just means there's something you need to correct in yourself. Countering this concern with a lack of AGF on my part makes me think you're worrying way too much about defending your actions and not enough about correcting them. Trust me, I am not ascribing malice on your part, I am however, not sure there's sufficient awareness of the nature of your actions. Mister.Manticore 22:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

And actually, my inspirations predate your nomination by a considerable bit. In fact, you can look at the history and note that it was created BEFORE your nomination, as I first made the page at 02:10, your nomination was not until several hours later. And I can go back to oh say, the 23rd of July to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Civil marriage in Israel for an earlier example. Not to mention the more recent Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/North China craton and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Western Block (North China Craton). Sorry if I'm deflating your vanity, but I've seen this problem before, and the only thing you're doing is reinforcing my belief that it is a problem. Which is why I do feel it's important to write the essay. Though it's not like there isn't existing material such as WP:AFD#Before nominating an AfD Mister.Manticore 22:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello Josh, I see you're 12 years old and, while your work on wikipedia is admirable, your youth means you have to be careful about nominating things for deletion simply because you haven't heard of them. If you'd Googled terms like 'speedway' or 'craton' you'd have seen they were notable things. Being too trigger happy creates a lot of work for other people and makes them doubt your competence. As Mr Manticore points out there are a lot of things it's suggested you can do about an article you have doubts about written up on the AfD page, before you nominate something for AfD. I'm sure you've got a lot to offer. I removed the AfD tag from the article in question seeing as you'd withdrawn the nomination but 'dearly wanted to see some clean up'. You're allowed to clean up an article yourself you know, even if you had nothing to do with its creation. If you want to be an admin then users will look for little incidents like this and maybe use them in discussions about your suitability so it's in your own best interests to think twice here. These were exactly the same concerns which meant your first RfA failed. For instance

1. Oppose, user has nominated professional soccer players for speedy deletion as recently as a few hours ago. Wouldn't trust him with the delete button. —freak(talk) 20:32, Jun. 10, 2007 (UTC)

Could you provide an example of this? Anonymous Dissident Utter 20:37, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[1]. —freak(talk) 21:23, Jun. 10, 2007 (UTC)

How could I have possibly known he was a professional? there was no indication of it in the article; I simply took that he was a normal person who happened to play football, thus failing WP:NOTABILITY. Anonymous Dissident Utter 21:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

The mistake is easily understood, given the state of the article at its creation (I would have done the same thing). Pot-shot edit summaries like yours [2] are worse, though (addressing freak). EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:32, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

The mistake is not that easily understood in my opinion. Its a stub, quite simply: he is listed as a player on the team Berwick Rangers F.C.. It would have taken less than 5 seconds to look and see if Berwick Rangers F.C. is a professional team or not. —Gaff ταλκ 21:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Gaff has made a fair point, and I will accept it. I was on a speedy tag run, I saw the article, read it quickly, it looked like WP:NOTABILITY vio, I placed the tag. Now I see that the player is professional, thus passing WP:NOTABILITY. Lesson learnt. Should most definitely read New pages more carefully and analyse more when on patrol. Anonymous Dissident Utter 21:43, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

"Should most definitely read New pages more carefully and analyse more when on patrol." You wrote that in June. Lesson learned? Nick mallory 00:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC) I understand your concern. I understand the time issue. But please do think about the first diff. It could almost fairly qualify for speedy deletion. Instead I nominated it for deletion, but not because I hadn't heard of it. Because it provided no context. It contained a rephrasing of the title, and a compilation of data that was unexplained. When the necessary improvements were made, I closed the debate. I did not opt to add more information because I myself had no information to give. I understand I can clean it up - i might just do that, when I finish my conversation with Mister.Manticore. I hope you understand, I nominated the article because, without context, it was a piece of text that was not understandable, and was not appropriate for Wikipedia as of the first edit. While I may have needed to wait longer before nomination, I don't think that I was unfairly trigger happy considering the content of the first edit. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 00:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, it obviously seems to you that no, the lesson hasn't been learnt. I will say that is has, because I understand the CSD now. i more carefully analyse new pages. And I did analyse this new page. I cannot be expected to analyse future edits of articles that quite clearly meet the criteria for deletion, though, and while I may have needed to wait longer, that can be said of any violative article, that could possibly be improved in a period as long as a year or two. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 00:50, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't care about this article in particular, I'm just thinking about your desire for adminship. This is how you closed your first RfA

Ok. I'm now thinking of closing the rfa, per WP:SNOW. All of your advice has been good, and I hope that perhaps my second Rfa will pass. To sum up, what I have gathered from the critisism is that I need to more intensely study New pages before making a judgement on what tag to place, if any at all. Would that adequately sum up most of the opposes? Anonymous Dissident Utter 23:33, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

What's changed? You might not think you were trigger happy, the point is other people, the people who'll be deciding whether you'd make a good admin, did think that and obviously still do. You can keep acting the same way, and trying to defend it, or just slow down a bit and think twice and help people less experienced than you improve their articles rather than slapping them for deletion. You want your second RfA to pass right? It won't if you haven't taken on board what everyone told you. It's up to you isn't it? As for 'clean up' I really meant removing the AfD tag from the article, you nominated it, you withdrew it, you could remove the AfD tag. Nick mallory 00:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Adminship is a row of buttons. I do not have an overwhelming wanting of them, I just feel I could use them for the communities benefit. I have only withdrawn an AFD once or twice before. A review of my nominations will show most were deleted. I don't feel I move overly fast, else none of my AFD's would end up with a deletion closure. And I don't know if it is fair to say that this was a blatant mistake on my part - surely the reasoning behind the nomination is fairly easy to perceive. This particular nomination resulted in a keep, after good improvements, by you and another editor, were made while I was asleep. I was happily surprised when i found these great improvements, improvements i did not expect. I then closed the debate, content to do so. I'm not sure a great deal should be made of this - I might have made an error in not waiting for a bit, but, despite my statement on my last RFA, I cannot fairly strive to be perfect - even the most policy-wizened and skillful bureaucrats are not ineffable. I hope you understand. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 01:07, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

DYK - Wanderer above the Sea of Fog

On 10 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Wanderer above the Sea of Fog, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Circeus 23:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Thanks for the updates. Made my life much easier :) --DarkFalls ^talk 01:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Your judgement has come

bibliomaniac15 04:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Congrats

I am pleasantly surprised and happy to be proven wrong on my forecast of response at PR for lion - great to maintain the momentum. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Friggin' heck! Where'd you pull that one out of? Great start. Will have a look....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:50, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead and correct me, its okay :)

I thought the word was "Defense" in British spelling, according to Merriam Webster's it is: chiefly British variant of DEFENSE, So that's how I've always thought of the word, for um, well let's just say decades, shall we? Is there a different use for the word, that would change the context? I'm happy for you to tell me, I don't use British English and never have, so I'd have no idea, so no worries that I'd be upset, plus now I'm curious! lol. ^Ariel♥Gold 11:35, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that's right, right? lol. rite? write? omg, AG needs sleep, methinks. But yeah, Defense is US, Defence is British... write? Ahh well it is past my bedtime, drop me a line if you're around when a decision is made, makes no real nevermind to me lol. ^Ariel♥Gold 11:42, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Status

Hi; clearly the entry at WP:EFDP is a light-hearted whimsy, but I was concerned at your request (which I have honoured) for the deletion of a number of your subpages. I really do hope that you are not thinking of leaving wikipedia, are you? --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 12:35, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

See my response to your post on my talk. With that and the above, your clearly have the whole "Brad" cabal looking out for you now. Regards, Newyorkbrad 15:26, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I did recognise, and said, that the WP:EFDP was not a serious page. It was, as you say to Newyorkbrad, just a strange coincidence. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 16:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thanks for the Barnstar. I can be funny sometimes :). --(Review Me) R ^ParlateContribs_@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 18:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment

Thank you for your comment on my RfA, which was successful. Lyrl^Talk _C 01:11, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Raine Island

Please do not remove the tags on the pages - rather, swap them over so that the merge is proposed from RI (Q) to RI. -Malkinann 21:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

RFCUN

Good job on your reports here. However, generally it is expected that you discuss your concern with the user in question before bringing it for comment. Sometimes users are perfectly willing to change their username, and if so there is no need for the RFCUN filing. You can use {{subst:UsernameConcern}} for this purpose, or you can write a personal note outlining your specific concerns. Thanks! i ^said 15:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Ahhh. I didn't know that part of the story. I will remember to do that in future. Thanks for letting me know. :) -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 15:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome i ^said 15:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Hawk-eagle

Good luck with your nomination for main-page mention of this article. It seems to me that what would be interesting is to compare the weight of the eagle with the weight of its prey. Steve Dufour 16:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Tireless contributer barnstar

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Re: Inappropriate ANI posting template

This is re: WT:AN#Improper use of the WP:ANI forum. Thanks for offering to create the template. It could be named template:uw-ani to fit with the other warnings at WP:UTM. Here's an idea of what it could say,

"Thank you for your recent post to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Because that noticeboard is meant for issues that require the urgent attention of administrators, your post has been moved to (linked forum name here), which is a more appropriate forum for your issue."

Anyway, just a thought. Cheers, Flyguy649 ^talk _contribs 03:24, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I assume the way you've written it would require substing, then manually changing the required fields. May I suggest using "if" coding, such as in {{uw-vandalism3}} so that piping could be used. Also a third piping could be used for an optional statement, eg. {{uw-ani|WP:AN|Flyguy649|I have already moved your query}}~~~~ to give:

Thank you for your recent post at Wikipedia:Administrators' Noticeboard/Incidents. However, it has been determined that this is the wrong venue for your particular issue, for any number of reasons. WP:AN would most likely prove more helpful. I have already moved your query. If you require further assistance, I can be contacted on my talk page. Best regards, Flyguy649 ^talk _contribs 15:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Flyguy649 ^talk _contribs 15:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

• I ham-fistedly added some "if" functionality. I've never tried to make a template before, so it's not too elegant. Revert it if you dislike it or improve it if you can (which I'm sure you can!) Flyguy649 ^talk _contribs 20:30, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad it seems ok! I just asked User:Wikihermit to comment on it since he is a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject user warnings, the group that developed all the new harmonized warnings, and he seems to be online. As for a template for the ANI itself, I imagine that most users would just add something like "comment moved to WP:whereever, user warned" and either mark it as archived, resolved, or delete the thread entirely. Cheers, Flyguy649 ^talk _contribs 02:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

BTW, I'm wondering where the Canadian Cabal is. We're either a lot more sneaky... or we don't exist yet! Hmmm... Flyguy649 ^talk _contribs 02:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I've also left a note at User talk:R. Flyguy649 ^talk _contribs 19:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 15 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Baths of Zeuxippus, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 19:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 16 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pierre Nicholas Dorsaz, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 01:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Ouch... *Giggle*

Looks like you broke part of that fence you've been hanging around on! ^Ariel♥Gold

Thanks for reverting the vandalisms

on the article for the Great Wall of China. I live in Australia myself and there is a Telstra Bigpond Broadband advertisement on TV showing a dumb father telling his son that the Great Wall is built to "keep the rabbits out". This is very stupid and people always comes on wikipedia to put that into the article. Anyway thanks for reverting the vandalisms! Oidia 06:19, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject coordinator election

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Your comment

Your comment on Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Campbells56 is actually wrong I am afraid. There is evidence that this nonsense religion does not exsist, as it has no mention on google, and the only one is a wikipedia talk page with a warning about the page that was cached. Nothing else comes up, and the user in question has violated WP:BLP into the articles of famous people by saying that they followed the religion in particular when they never. The sunder king 09:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I would say it was wrong; you mentioned only that it was "nonsense", not a "nonsense religion". How could I have known? -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 09:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh Sorry, just check on google for proof no such thing exsists, and if it does. It obviously isn't notable enough. The sunder king 10:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok then very well. The sunder king 10:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

DYK: Epiphanius of Pavia

On 16 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Epiphanius of Pavia, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--PFHLai 18:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

There's a small snag in the referencing. The von Albrecht reference had an incorrect ISBN, and since it,s a two-volumes work, you might want to be a bit more specific with it. Circeus 19:29, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 17 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Protector lock, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 01:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Knud Olsen

Re the Afd[4] for Knud Olsen. I have reduced the article to a stub to remove the copyvio. The article can now be carefully rebuilt with care, avoiding any copyvio issues. Could I invite to reconsider your nomination and withdraw it please? Thanks. --Malcolmxl5 08:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Sure, but there is no getting around the fact that it was a fair and good nomination to begin with. Wikipedia's copyright policy is very strict, and it is quite severe that this content had been there since 05. Copyright violations cannot be tolerated, but thank you for fixing the content. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 08:47, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi there. Yes, I understand why you nominated it and you were quite right to do so. Thanks for closing the Afd, hopefully the author will now rebuild the article using his own words. All the best now. --Malcolmxl5 22:55, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Admin

I would like to nominate you for admin. What do you say? I have briefly scanned your contribs and I see lots of great work. you are already involved in admin stuff like th enoticeboard, rfcn etc and you arev even a great article writer. You are the perfect candidate and should satisfy everyone. Viridae^Talk 01:59, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Europe Proposal

Hi, I see you're a member of the European Microstates project. I was wondering if you would be interested in participating in a new "WikiProject:Europe"? It would cover non-EU pan European elements and more national elements where there isn't a project to cover it (e.g. there is no project for Slovenia). Microstates might also want to become a taskforce of the project to keep down overheads etc as there are just a few members. I am just trying to get an idea of numbers before I propose it but if you have comments on the idea please see the Discussion on WPEU. Thanks for your time! - J Logan ^t: 08:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Congrats on the new changes to your monobook.css!! Like the new message bar! Dissident's Scribe 10:22, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

DYK: Black Hawk-Eagle

On 19 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Black Hawk-Eagle, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--PFHLai 05:33, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

GAC Reviews

Hey Epbr, can you collect numbers attached to each of the top 5, so we have an idea how many reviews the top had? That'd be great. Cheers -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 00:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

• It's worked out by a points system, where each review gets between 1 and 3 points depending on its thoroughness. I'm not keen on displaying the points gained by each reviewer as I don't want to keep getting complaints from reviewers who think their reviews should have had more points. Twenty points is usually enough to win the award each week, and eight points is usually enough to get into the top five. Epbr123 11:22, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Ping!

You've got mail :-) --Boricuaeddie 16:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks Eddie. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 21:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Replied :-) --Boricuaeddie 22:17, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

And again. --Boricuaeddie 22:22, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Nappy

I think there's a lot more to do on Bonaparte Crossing the Alps before you can consider FAC.

Random comments: Why is there a history of his Egyptian campaign in there? I'm all for a little background, but this has nothing to do with the picture at all. You might want to mention Delaroche's earlier portrait of Napoleon at Fontainebleau (3 versions, at least one of which has the hand tucked in the waistcoat in the same iconic pose as in Crossing the Alps) and Napoleon in his Study from 1838 (which makes another interesting contrast with David's 1812 picture of the same name). The analysis of the painting and the comparison to David's work are patchy at the moment (looks like mostly your own opinion rather than reporting what others have to say). Try to find out which version of David's painting Delaroche saw in the Louvre. It must be one of the two Versaille's versions: Image:Napoleon-david.jpg, or Image:Napoleonpic.jpg as these were the only two in the country, but I don't know which (if either) of them were exhibited in the Louvre. The different versions have different colouring, so saying he is on a white horse is possibly incorrect, and a gold cape definitely is. There needs to be some history of the painting's ownership. There are at least two versions extant: Onslow's was bought by the Walker Gallery and there is one in the Louvre. How did it get to the Louvre? Was that Queen Victoria's copy, or is was there a third version (or more versions)? Any differences between the versions? The "hat" is a bicorne. I'd mention the connection between David and Delaroche through Antoine-Jean Gros (Gros was a pupil of David and the teacher of Delaroche). You might also mention that while the was a resurgence of interest in Napoleon a portrait in the mould of David's still probably wouldn't have gone down well (though you'll need to find somebody else saying that). Bonaparte died in 1821, so you might want to put that in as well as the date of his exile (at the moment it doesn't mention it is a posthumous picture). Any modern commentary on the painting? Yomangani^talk 12:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations

		The Original Barnstar
		Great work. Keep going. P.K.Niyogi 15:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Counts of Galicia and Poland

I declined speedy on this article that you tagged. It had been deleted as copyvio before and the author claimed to be the author of the source page as well. I've put links on the article's talk page if you would like to review them. In any event, the admin who deleted the article as copyvio restored it and it would be probably better if there are remaining concerns to contact him/her directly. Thanks for helping to keep WP clean. Carlossuarez46 21:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

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Tiny and inconspicuous canvassing. Remember, if your eyes are tainted, not my problem. --DarkFalls ^talk 11:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Email

Already replied before you even posted me a talkpage message. Maxim_(talk) 17:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

<confused>I did.</confused> Maxim_(talk) 17:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Break and School

Hello, I just wanted to wish you a good, restful break and a good school year! Cheers, Neranei (talk) 20:33, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, thank you. What grade will you be in? Neranei (talk) 21:39, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I will be in 8th grade- I wonder if there's a cabal of middle-school Wikipedians? That would explain a lot... Neranei (talk) 14:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

RfA?

Anonymous Dissident,

I have seen your name on various projects, and making significant contributions to Wikipedia, and the community at large. I would be happy to co-nom you for an RfA with anyone else (any takers?). contact me when you're ready in September.

Cheers,

Perfect Proposal ^{Speak out loud!} 01:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I would also be pleased to nominate you in September or whenever you're ready. Please email me about a nomination. Is it too tacky to talk about this here?Neranei (talk) 01:35, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

{{uw-ani}}

Since we've had zero feedback on the template, I've posted to Wikipedia_talk:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace#Proposed_new_template:_template:uw-ani. -- Flyguy649 ^talk _contribs 04:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Rfa

Hi, as you can see I have withdrawn my rfa as to be honest looking at it now I probably wouldn't have supported it if I was on the judging, first of all i would like to thank you for you comments and although you did not support I was glad to have a sort of "neutralness" from you, as for the future I will try to address any concerns raised. I will continue most of my regular actives but I am also going to try to get many Linux articles up to GA status as well as trying to get some previous Linux FA back up to FA. As for future rfas i am pretty sure I will try again but I am not going to put a date on it. --Chris  G  12:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

DYK (24 August)

On 24 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Oswald Tesimond, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Laïka 19:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

How the heck do you do that? You are amazing! Congrats! Neranei (talk) 19:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

My articles never seem to be long enough, anyways, congrats! Neranei (talk) 22:58, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, thank you! I just can't seem to meet the length requirements. Oh well. Good luck with your upcoming RfA! Neranei (talk) 00:36, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Good luck! (Also, I hope school is going alright.) Cheers, Neranei (talk) 01:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)