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I would say one of the most notable characteristics of the Wordos is the fact that new, non-established writers receive serious critiques from established and respected authors in the field of speculative fiction, and vice versa. This provides the new writers with highly professional polish for their material, and the established writers the ability to capture the direct input from untrained readers who will likely read their stories the way they might be read in a magazine.— Preceding unsigned comment added by GoodDamon (talk • contribs) 08:45, September 17, 2006 (UTC)

...and, as the article states, it is, "one of the longest running speculative fiction critque groups and arguably the highest concentration of speculative fiction talent in the United States."— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bifurcation (talk • contribs) 16:32, October 1, 2006 (UTC)

I would add that individual members of the Wordos have gone on to have significant impact on the world of speculative fiction. Jay Lake, Jerry Oltion, Nina Kiriki Hoffman, and other award-winning members have made notable contributions to the literature after "graduating" through the Wordos. GoodDamon 05:51, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion?

I'm not entirely sure why this article has been flagged. I see other workshops with notable members, such as Sycamore Hill Writer's Workshop and Viable Paradise, that aren't flagged, yet are little more than lists of participants. Certainly, this article could use some cleaning up. But with members like Jerry Oltion, Nina Kiriki Hoffman, and Jay Lake, it certainly seems to meet the notability criterion. --GoodDamon 22:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see who did it, but is it possible that it was someone who went to Wordos and left? Maybe someone just has a grudge against the Wordos. I'm a member of the group, so I'm biased towards it.

JoshEnglish 00:22, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I checked the diffs and see that an anon added the prod tag. I wouldn't assume malice is involved, but I removed it. If s/he wants it deleted s/he will have to take it Afd. This article really does need some more cleanup and references to firmly establish notability. I see the group had a writeup in the Register-Guard--if you can add more citations to things like that it would help. Phrases like "people who work with words in a fiercely Eugenian kind of way" need to be cited. I'm from Eugene, so I understand the sentiment, but without citations it's just opinion or original research. It's obvious the individual writers are notable, but the article needs some work to show that the group itself is notable. Oh and BTW "other stuff exists" isn't an argument that does much good in Afd discussions. Thanks for acknowledging your bias--be sure to check out the conflict of interest guidelines for more information about how to edit articles about subjects you're associated with. Happy editing! Katr67 00:59, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, just realized I didn't make that clear, either. I'm also a member. Fortunately, it's not exactly a controversial topic, so it should be pretty easy to remain WP:NPOV. Anyway, I'll track down those refs and do more cleanup on it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by GoodDamon (talk • contribs) 04:09, August 18, 2007 (UTC)

References

Thanks to those who found and added links to some outside sources. It's better though if these are used as citations in the article, which is still mostly unsourced. See WP:CITE and WP:RS for more information. Let me know if you need help formatting the refs. Katr67 20:41, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ugly formatting for awards

The awards section formatting is pretty beastly. Is there a better template somewhere that we can use to clean it up? Perhaps something more like a table layout, or maybe a multi-column layout? If I come up with a good idea, I'll post it here and see what people think.

header 1	header 2	header 3
row 1, cell 1	row 1, cell 2	row 1, cell 3
row 2, cell 1	row 2, cell 2	row 2, cell 3

That's the standard table format, and it's OK, but there's gotta be a better format somewhere. --GoodDamon 23:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]