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Non-specific September 11th articles --> User talk:Wshun
Judeofascism --> Talk:List of pejorative political slogans
Christian views of women--> Talk:Christian views of women#VfD
Project for a New American Century on Iraq --> deletion holding pending improvements promised on Talk:Project for a New American Century on Iraq

October 5

Jumpin' Jack Flash, Street Fighting Man. Do these really need their own pages? Can't the personnel involved be listed with the LPs? I don't think either of these articles involve enough information to constitute unique pages. Kingturtle 08:43, 5 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Street Fighting Man has some interesting story and some covers behind it. Don't know about Jumpin' Jack Flash. BL 13:30, 5 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - None of this "interesting story" is in the article. dave 22:04, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Both are major songs. There's a lot to write about them. Quinoaeater 06:02, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - But this isn't in the article. Tell the original author to at least provide an outline of what else could be written about the song...
- I don't see anything wrong with them. Wiwaxia 18:00, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- I also don't see anything here which merits its own page. dave 22:04, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

October 6

Luis von Ahn - (vanity page)
- This doesn't really fit the pattern of a vanity page addition; usually the same person adds a link to the vanity page; this hasn't happened here. Maybe a reword should be in order --Dysprosia
  - Then it probably isn't a vanity page. He did do some real computer work, according to everyone's comments here. Donnie Ng 00:21, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. -戴&#30505sv
- Del. --Menchi 07:25, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Andre Engels
- Delete. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 14:04, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Louis and Nicholas must be roomies. Delete bioth - Marshman 18:41, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Del. If we delete this (and Nicholas), we should de-wikify their names at Captcha, so that these stubs don't reappear. -- Minesweeper 01:22, Oct 8, 2003 (UTC)
  - Wait a minute . . . it says at the article for Captcha that Luis von Ahn invented the word! Why didn't he just say so at the Luis von Ahn page? If that's true, then that's what should go on von Ahn's page, not this junk! (Check it out, it does say he invented the word!) Wiwaxia 18:20, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Both get hundreds of Google matches. Both have published papers. And if they are both mentioned at Captcha, then they are clearly of interest on the Wikipedia, too. So why shouldn't we have information on who they are? And, as well as campaigning against the term "unencyclopaedic", I'm going to start a campaign against the term "vanity page". As well as being blatantly offensive, it's irrelevant to the subject of deletion. Reagardless of whether or not the subject is suffering from a surfeit of vanity, information should be treated purely on its own merits. Is the information not verifiable? It appears to be, to me. That's the most (only?) important issue. -- Oliver P. 05:40, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - Delete. Too many times I see people judging the worldly importance things based on the number of Google hits. My name has a lot of google hits, and I may have a journal paper out soon, however, I do not think I deserve a Wikipedia article for myself (save for my user page). dave 22:11, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Convinced by the weight of arguments by Ms. Dysprosia and Mr. Pereira. -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen 13:12, Oct 9, 2003 (UTC)
- Save. Evaluation doesn't have to be crabbed. Given that there is no objective measure, no method for identifying the approporiate threshold, then we ought to be a bit more generous.
- Keep. The news reports on the individual suggest merit to this article. JamesDay 21:27, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep; plenty of relevant Google hits. Evil saltine 04:08, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- If they're real people with real achievements, keep. Quinoaeater 20:33, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. -- Cyan 21:03, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Wartortle 22:16, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Nicholas J. Hopper - (vanity page)
- Delete. 戴&#30505sv
- Same pattern not followed above; again, maybe a reword needed Dysprosia
- Del. --Menchi 07:25, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Andre Engels
- Delete. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 14:04, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Del. See note above. -- Minesweeper 01:22, Oct 8, 2003 (UTC)
- Again, hundreds of Google matches, and again mentioned in the Captcha article, so therefore must be of interest. See notes for Luis von Ahn above. The most (only?) important issue is whether or not the information is verifiable. -- Oliver P. 05:40, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Like previous entry. -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen 13:12, Oct 9, 2003 (UTC)
- Save.
- Keep. The news reports on the individual suggest merit to this article. JamesDay 21:27, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- If they're real people with real achievements, keep. Quinoaeater
- Keep. -- Cyan 21:03, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Wartortle 22:16, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Meta-complex number (and Meta-complex Number redirect) - No hits on Google, hopefully someone can explain exactly what this is.. I mean.. umm.. I dunno. Maybe I'm just too tired to read it correctly. Evil saltine 13:17, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Probably best to call it original research, which is not what WP is about. I think the contributor is well-meaning so we shouldn't be too harsh on him but the content should be deleted. (P.S. It says: a meta-complex number is a pair such that each element of the pair is either a real number or another meta-complex number. It is possible to define a commutative multiplication operation on meta-complex numbers as follows... (I haven't checked whether that operation really is commutative)). Pete 13:34, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - Oh, okay, I thought it was talking about a pair of complex numbers. Evil saltine 13:37, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Seems a bit hard to read any of it, and agree it should go, but is it at all related to surreal numbers? Κσυπ Cyp 13:39, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC) (Posted via edit conflict.)
- Huh? If it can be folded into something else (somehow) that;s OK, but this article should go. And they did ask for help at the bottom of the article "I hope this is good. If is no good, tel me"-- BCorr ¤ Брайен 14:09, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)Брайен ]] 14:04, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - Seems this person is defining a set M, such that:
  - $R\subset M$
  - If $a,b\in m$ then $[a,b]\in M$
  - Which are then added and multiplied through:
  - $[a_{1},b_{1}]+[a_{2},b_{2}]=[a_{1}+b_{1},a_{2}+b_{2}]$
  - $[a_{1},b_{1}]\cdot [a_{2},b_{2}]=[a_{1}a_{2}-b_{1}b_{2},a_{1}b_{2}+a_{2}b_{1}]$
  - A real number $n$ behaves as if it were $[n,0]$ when multiplied with a non-real supercomplex number. Probably $x$ and $[x,0]$ should simply be identified, that might lead to nicer mathematical properties, but the induction is harder to define.
  - And yes, this multiplication is commutative, as can be easily shown through induction.
  - Still, this looks like original research rather than established mathematical definition (and is written quite badly too). Delete. Andre Engels 14:06, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - I made that page. I think that it shud not be deleted. The notes abuve is corect about wat it is about, maybe sumbudy shud just fix it and type it beter. If you want to delete it becuse the original research dusent go here, then tel me wy, and tel me were it dus go insted. - 24.207.69.51 23:57, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    - Wikipedia is not a place for original research, in mathematics or any other field. It should go to any peer reviewed mathematics journal. Once it has been published in an appropriate place, it will become a suitable subject for an encyclopedia article.Vicki Rosenzweig 01:15, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- This is not original work. It describes the Cayley-Dickson construction. Other than the source code, it's a duplicate of (some of) that information. See also for example http://homepages.cwi.nl/~dik/english/mathematics/numc.html. Onebyone 10:01, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - It's clearly not supposed to be the Cayley-Dickson construction, since it claims that multiplication is commutative, which is not the case for Cayley-Dickson (beyond dimension 2). In any case, it's very poorly written and "meta-complex number" seems to be a made-up term, so it should be deleted. --Zundark 10:28, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - Good point. What is described by the code there is Cayley-Dickson (and hence not commutative) - a mistake by the author I guess. The actual structure discussed is the union to infinity of successive constructions, which is not an object I personally have seen discussed elsewhere. So maybe that's new, maybe not. Onebyone 10:05, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- I don't see anything wrong with including this article. Wiwaxia 18:20, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Well, it's original research, or it would be if it didn't duplicate a mathematical construction created about 150 years ago which already has its own article. Delete. -- Cyan 21:48, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- I don't know much about these numbers but if you can prove they got it wrong...then delete. Donnie Ng 00:21, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)

October 7

Beginnings of the 2003 California recall. This article just has duplicated, cutted-and-pasted text from the main article (2003 California recall), and furthermore from an old, more POV version. -- VV 23:09, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Fuzheado 23:21, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. This page can possibly be re-instated when 2003 California recall becomes more final and then only if it grows too unwieldy. Unnecessary for now. -- Minesweeper 01:17, Oct 8, 2003 (UTC)
- Delete --Jiang
- Delete. -- Jake 08:53, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. We already have it elsewhere. Quinoaeater 20:41, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Wartortle 22:16, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

October 8

XQ Mesa - This is a Justin Weaver article. Presumably he just forgot about it when he requested deletion of his other vanity pages. -- Cyan 04:43, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)

List of people who have had homosexual experiences
- I think this should be deleted, since it's not defined what exactly a homosexual experience is. However if someone could move this page to a more well-defined name that would be fine too. Evil saltine 04:50, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. --Daniel C. Boyer 00:11, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete.Ark30inf 04:53, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- So you want the title to be "People who have had orally or anally insertive homosexual sex experiences"? I think the title is pretty clear, it's not a matter of determining what "is" is. This is a list of people who may not necessarily define themselves as gay but who have stated that they have had same-sex sexual experiences. Keep, with or without a name change. -- Outerlimits 05:23, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. While similar lists may have been of some marginal benefit in making clear what is a useful article, they have ignited much useless debate and provided zero useful content. Kosebamse 05:30, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Trollbait: verification can be difficult and contentious. -- Cyan 05:34, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. This is journalism, not encyclopedia material. Same goes for List of people who have bungie jumped and List of people with unresolved issues with their father if they ever appear. -- Onebyone 10:09, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. This list can never become complete or accurate. It's hopeless, so delete. Paige 16:57, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. What's the point? -- Viajero 17:52, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- DeleteSmith03 22:03, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. This is just nonsense.Vancouverguy 01:54, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep, only if the persons in the list actually described having one homosexual experience on press or television. Antonio The Puerto Rican Cigar Martin
- Delete. -- Jake 08:53, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 23:14, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. ThereIsNoSteve 01:31, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. As long as rumours are kept out and only verifiable cases are included, I see nothing wrong with having this list. -- Oliver P. 06:52, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - Do you see anything "right" with having this list? dave 22:26, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Wartortle 22:16, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. dave 22:26, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

List of people who have denied being gay
- Delete. created by the same user as the previous. InanimateCarbonRod 04:51, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - Delete it because I created it? That's good solid reasoning. -- Outerlimits 04:55, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. I'm not sure what such lists accomplish, similar lists have become nothing but troll bait in the past.Ark30inf 05:09, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - Wikipedia is supposed to be able to keep trolls at bay. It shouldn't censor content "because trolls like it", and its a shame that in so censoring Wikipedia aligns itself with the trolls. -- Outerlimits 05:23, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Evil saltine 04:59, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Moved to publically denied to emphasize the content. Keep. BL 05:02, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. -- Outerlimits 05:23, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete - see above. Kosebamse 05:30, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep under new title. More pop culture stuff, but what the hey... -- Cyan 05:34, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Let's at least see where it goes, right? Paige 16:57, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete Smith03 22:03, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. -- Viajero 17:52, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Vancouverguy 01:54, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete -- Fuzheado 08:32, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. -- Jake 08:53, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- All these "list of people who x" articles are stupid and pointless (I would have thought they are invasions of privacy as well). Adam 12:25, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 23:14, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. ThereIsNoSteve 01:31, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- It's been moved to List of people who have publically denied being gay, so the privacy concern has been dealt with. As long as rumours are kept out and only verifiable cases are included, I see nothing wrong with having this list. -- Oliver P. 06:52, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. All of this has been factually confirmed. And besides, we have a "gay" list, so why not?Quinoaeater 20:41, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. This is completely ridiculous. Is List of people who have denied being involved in the conspiracy of international Jewry next? --Delirium 21:58, Oct 13, 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Wartortle 22:16, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. IMHO, Wikipedia is not a tabloid, and this article is "tabloid trash". dave 22:31, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion and Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion
- The votes for deletion system seems to me to be cumbersome, opaque and utterly "un-Wiki". I think it should be discontinued, and replaced by the far simpler, easier and more transparent Wiki system that has been suggested on meta:Talk:Deletion management redesign. Please also see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy. GrahamN 12:11, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - I've read and commented on your proposal at Wikipedia_talk:Deletion policy and essentially agree with it. Of course under the better new world you're proposing, we wouldn't delete this page, we'd just blank it, or if we thought a lot of people might be interested in, and watching, this page, we'd just comment on the talk page that we intend to blank this page and blank it a little later if there is reasonable wiki-consensus to do so. In all seriousness, why does deletion have to be different from any other wiki-decision (thoughts to Wikipedia_talk:Deletion policy) Pete 13:32, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - We had this already: [1]
- I vote to keep. But why were several votes favoring deletion removed here? -- Infrogmation 21:17, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. The proposed "Cleanup" policy is unintelligible and impossible to implement. RickK 19:47, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 23:14, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. -- Quinoaeater 20:41, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. It seems to me one of the founding fathers (Jefferson?) described democracy as a bad form of government and the best available to humans. I say ditto for the VfD policy--certainly flawed and subject to trouble, but far better than the alternatives. Jwrosenzweig 22:47, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete this own page? Are you kidding? Donnie Ng 00:21, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)

October 9

Spectator Club - non-famous high school club. Evil saltine 01:50, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Also Lynbrook High School, the high school where the club exists. Adam Bishop 01:51, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - Keep high school. --Daniel C. Boyer 17:37, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - Delete both. I was trying to come here to list these last night when the database was locked. RickK 02:44, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - I'm not sure I see a problem with a crisp article about a particular High School, as this seems to be -- is there a particular policy about what levels of institution make acceptable entries (there are some High Schools that are more notable than some Colleges, for example)? The club article should be deleted, since there is a link to the HS website in the main article, where such transient details could go. Jgm 13:03, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    - axe it, axe it good. Poor Yorick 02:48, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- I'm sympathetic to deletion, but a high school has a higher population than many other places with Wikipedia articles: list of places with fewer than ten people. Martin 11:46, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I vote to keep both, merge info on club into article and keep as redirect. Inclusionism is getting to me. -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen 14:48, Oct 9, 2003 (UTC)
- While it seems inconceivable that every school (highschool, secondary, etc.) should be in here, I really cannot think of any reason why not. Keep - Marshman 05:01, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC) Actually, I meant merge article into highschool and keep highschool article. - Marshman 06:01, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Yet another thing we need to decide on: Does every high school in the world belong in Wikipedia? Seems like we're going to need a formal policy on this kind of stuff. (I vote no.) Axlrosen 19:00, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - I would vote no as well...otherwise I'm going to have to write an article about my high school, it's famous because the former bass player for Kittie went there! Adam Bishop 21:21, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - I can suggest as a general rule: no schools below colleges. Place a link on the appropriate town article to the school's website instead. - Marshman 03:10, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    - General rule, with exceptions, like, perhaps, Columbine High School. RickK 19:41, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep Lirath Q. Pynnor
- Delete the high school as well. There's nothing about it that makes it especially well known; maybe a better idea would be to put high schools on the respective town's page. Evil saltine 06:19, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete both. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 23:15, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- "Yet another thing we need to decide on", says Axlrosen. Not at all! There is no point in having lots of separate arbitrary rules for different types of articles. We only need one all-encompassing general rule: keep anything that can be verified; remove anything that's can't. I can't imagine that any school in the US could be founded without somebody somewhere writing about it. Therefore there is bound to be verifiable information about all of them. Therefore we can keep all of them. QED. :) This school gets about 3,650 Google matches, by the way. That's quite a lot. (The club, on the other hand, only gets 8 matches, and its own website provides only about a sentence of usable information, so I can't imagine how to get an article from that.) -- Oliver P. 06:52, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- I would like to propose merging this article and the high school into San Jose, California. er.. yeah.
  - The problem with that sugestion is that Santa Clara County, California has 37 high schools, with the majority either in or near San Jose. For larger cities like Los Angeles or New York, the merging of info from high school articles would be unmanagable. In this case, I say delete the club and the school articles, yet keep the option of letting truely famous schools in open. (I hope that my two aunts who graduated from Lynbrook don't get offended) Gentgeen 08:35, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    - I agree with your first two sentences, but counter your third suggestion with that old favourite, m:Wiki is not paper. -- Oliver P. 10:39, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Wartortle 22:16, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Tristan Jones - vanity page Morwen 10:51, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- In case the author registers with a user account it should be moved there. I already contacted him by email. andy 10:57, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 23:15, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Wartortle 22:16, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

James J Brown - looks like self-promotion of insignificant artist. --Wik 21:09, Oct 9, 2003 (UTC)
- Delete - I get more Google hits that he does. Axlrosen 18:57, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 23:15, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)

User:Cyan/Internet child pornography - this article was deleted prematurely, so I undeleted it and moved it to my user space. I have a feeling this one may become contentious, so let's do the commenting at User talk:Cyan/Internet child pornography -- Cyan 22:50, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Since the article no longer exists in either the normal wikipedia article or your talk page, we might as well delete this entry in the VofD page. User:Raul654 23:31, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Um, it is still available at the above link, as far as I can tell. I prefer this listing to remain here, so that people realize that a deletion debate is going on. -- Cyan 03:58, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Please note that the discussions and vote are currently taking place at User talk:Cyan/Internet child pornography rather than here. -- Oliver P. 08:32, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

October 10

Sadie Law - non-existent person; was having one of those moments when I typed the name in (should have been Sadie Frost, Jude Law's estranged wife.) Zannah 04:18, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- So why not just make it a redirect? Reason please? - Marshman 04:59, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. "Sadie Law" scores 77 on Google. "Sadie Law"+"Sadie Frost" scores 3, "Sadie Law"+"Jude Law" 12. Sadie Law isn't her name and never has been. An encyclopedia doesn't need an article/redirect for every possible mistake a user might make. -- Onebyone 09:38, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - Sorry. It is a simple matter to make it a Redirect and not take up space or time at VfD for this kind of mistake (which is one anyone could make - not a typo) - Marshman 17:44, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    - But a redirect is still cruft. At some point someone might think that Sadie Frost is sometimes known as Sadie Law. If it's really a mistake on the part of the author, it seems like deleting it is better than leaving this redirect around until the end of time.
      - If the mistake was made once, it's a real mistake that will likely be made again, and redirs record the fix in the "community memory". If you're concerned and want to leave a breadcrumb, add a note to Talk:Sadie Law and Talk:Sadie Frost. Stan 23:47, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Redirect is fine. Keep. RickK 07:03, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Wartortle 22:16, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Image:Floppy disk 5.25 inch.jpg - mistake by me (real image is Image:Floppy disk 5.25 inch.JPG). Evil saltine 04:20, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Wartortle 22:16, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Janet Lynn McCurdy. Non-famous. Angela 06:43, Oct 10, 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Evil saltine 11:09, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Axlrosen 18:51, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Deeeleeete! Definitely not someone I'd wanna meeet! Antonio Hollywood Martin
- Delete. Orphan article, too. --Morven 20:38, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)

University Pro-Independence Federation, in Spanish, unwikified and point of view. Maybe it needs to be translated, but (my point of view here) is that this organization doesnt merit a wikipedia article. Antonio El Sensacional Martin

Wikipedia:Cleanup
- This new system, which seems plausible on the surface, but actually makes no sense at all, was suddenly sprung on us fully formed and "operating". The people who sprang it on us, and their friends, are the only ones who claim fully to understand it. GrahamN 16:06, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - I haven't personally claimed I understand it fully; nor could I, since it is still far from finished or fully formed. It is nothing but a strapling, waiting to grow and form itself. We can all mould it (or "mold" it, if you like). -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen 16:37, Oct 12, 2003 (UTC)
DELETE! How is this different from Wikipedia:Pages needing attention *or* Wikipedia:Possible copyright infringements? Cleanup is redundant, And why was Wikipedia:Pages needing attention removed from the utilities list on recent changes? Kingturtle 17:44, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- - WP:PNA was taken off RC because a request was made that Cleanup be on there, and I thought it was better to replace PNA than to replace VFD. That said, PNA had a long enough name, that there is still room for another Utility with a short name. I had already typed in Wikipedia:WikiLove, but then I remembered that it is not a utility. -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen 16:37, Oct 12, 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. An attempt to impose unneeded layers of bureaucracy on us. RickK 19:32, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Liable to suffer the same probems as TTBMTW. Angela 23:47, Oct 11, 2003 (UTC)
  - Not voting either way, but as I see it, the page should not be deleted for the sins of TTBMTW. Don't really see what the problem exactly is with that page anyway, since I haven't really used it. IMO the page should be deleted if there is a better way of breathing life in to the utilities which Angela and Kingturtle list. I think cleanup could even reduce the number of pages ending up on Pages needing attention, if we are lucky and it catches on. As for bureaocracy (sp?); the page is intended to be a wholly non-bureaucratic training-ground for newcomers, who may have difficulty navigating the bureaoucratic system we already have, or at least ease their way up the learning curve to our community editing procedures and exception handling methods. Anyway, its fate is very much up to wikipedianship at large, vote as you like, but vote! -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen 14:16, Oct 12, 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. It's in use. The fact that it duplicates other functionality is irrelevant in my opinion. Wikipedia can survive having multiple schemes for urging people to work on bad articles. -- Onebyone 10:17, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

October 11

Hermann Wolff - Seems to be some useless biography of an Unimportant Person™ . --snoyes 00:00, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- He certainly seems to be a real person - google search produces over 400 hits, mostly on pages regarding opera, music, etc. Remove the POV, perhaps, but otherwise the information seems perfectly acceptable. 80.255 02:12, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep, though move to Werner Wolff because it seems to be mostly about him. Evil saltine 12:08, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 23:19, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep Werner Wolff. Lots of information to be found via a Google search, and he even wrote a book! So lots of verifiable information out there. (And can we set a new policy that votes placed on here without an accompanying reason can be ignored?) -- Oliver P. 06:52, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - I think I'm becoming sloppy in my old age. In fact I can't find more than a dozen or so pages that mention Werner Wolff. (See here and here.) And I can't find even a single webpage that confirms that he was the son of Hermann. But maybe he was well-known locally in Chattanooga. Maybe there are books on local history there that can tell us... Oh, if only people would cite their sources... -- Oliver P. 10:39, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Why is Hermann Wolff now a redirect to Werner Wolff, when the Werner Wolff article explictely states that Herman is his father? If, for example, someone were to look for marie curie, why should they end up at Irene Curie's page? --Raul654 09:25, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - Because the text was originally at Hermann Wolff, and has been (rightfully) moved to Werner Wolff. The situation is not the same as your Marie Curie example - we have information on Marie Curie other than that she was the mother of Irene Curie and the wife of Pierre Curie. Nevertheless, delete the Hermann Wolff redirect page (I'm making no statement either way on whether to delete Werner Wolff at this point in time). Andre Engels
- Keep. Wartortle 22:16, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

R P Sandbox - I don't know where this should be, but surely not in the article namespace. Angela 00:23, Oct 11, 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Evil saltine 12:08, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 23:19, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- User:Mike Dill/Sandbox seems to be the correct place, but since Mike Dill has not been on Wikipedia since August 2001 (when there were no namespaces yet), deletion seems to be the way to go. Andre Engels
- Keep.Wartortle 22:16, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Mediation Committee - was a redirect to User:Mediator/candidates, which is inappropriate, since redirecting from the Wikipedia: namespace may appear to give it unwarranted authority. --Camembert 02:05, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- delete. Martin 15:07, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. No longer points to the controversial User:Mediator/candidates. There is a useful notice on it and some discussion on the talk page. — Alex756 19:35, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Sparkling Generation Valkyrie Yuuki - fails Alexa test. See this link. -- Cyan 06:27, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. RickK 06:54, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Who is Alexa, and who made her dictator? I don't see why this is any less real or less worthy than any of the other sites on the List of web comics. If we can have a List of Pokémon, we can have an article on this webcomic as well. Keep. -- Smerdis of Tlön 22:22, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - The Google/Alexa test doesn't overrule consensus, of course. It's just a way of saying, "I didn't think the topic was famous/important, and evidence from some webcrawling software seems to bear that out." -- Cyan 21:41, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 23:19, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- All those sites at List of web comics deserves a line or two of description even if they are not so important. But putting all those stubs on the list-page itself would make it really large. BL 05:35, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- I don't think the Alexa test is the correct way to go with this kind of thing. Google test seems better. Google gets to ~800, not sure whether to judge that as a 'keep' or 'delete' though. Andre Engels 13:32, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Parts list for the '61 Studebaker Lark. No content. No point. Angela 10:55, Oct 11, 2003 (UTC)
- Delete, would just be a verbatim copy from a manual or another source. Evil saltine 11:36, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete if no content added after the 7 days. It may be a pseudo-stub to advertise the external link. Dysprosia 11:40, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Surely it is a joke, see October 5, List of international direct dialing codes - Ark30inf's comment above.
  - I'll have to learn to keep my mouth shut.Ark30inf 20:58, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete as per Dysprosia's comment. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 23:19, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Yep, what Dysprosia said. -- Oliver P. 06:52, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

User talk:Alex756/mediator
User talk:Anthere/mediator
User talk:Tillwe/mediator
User talk:Stevertigo/mediator
User talk:Angela/mediator
User talk:Eloquence/mediator
User talk:Oliver Pereira/mediator
User talk:Toby Bartels/mediator
User talk:Cyan/mediator
User talk:Mydogategodshat/mediator
User talk:Lsolum/mediator
User talk:Kat/mediator
User talk:GrahamN/mediator
User talk:The Cunctator/mediator
User talk:Mirwin/mediator
User talk:Maveric149/mediator
User talk:Louis Kyu Won Ryu/mediator
User talk:172/mediator
User talk:Wshun/mediator
User talk:Fred Bauder/mediator
User talk:Sjc/mediator
- Spam. Martin 15:07, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Andre Engels
- So, I understood in personal sub pages, there was the word "personal". I think it is to each of these users to decide himself/herself whether to delete or not to delete. Keep and let each person decide. Anthère

Wikipedia:Wikipedia.com
- now fixed. Martin 15:40, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Eager Beaver - describes a bar in the movie Striptease. This article should never have existed. -- Cyan 21:36, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 23:19, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Redirect to Striptease (movie). Evil saltine 23:43, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Would have done, if I thought it was appropriate. But such a redirect would hardly exhaust the usage of the phrase "Eager Beaver". -- Cyan 01:30, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - Delete then. Evil saltine 06:06, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Astral. Only content is Being or relating to light as it appear on clear sky with stars. Angela 22:26, Oct 11, 2003 (UTC)~
- Delete. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 23:19, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Evil saltine 23:43, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Mere dictionary definition, and not even correct as such. Delete. Andre Engels

Image:Earth-arch.jpg. No such image. Angela 23:34, Oct 11, 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Evil saltine 06:37, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

October 12

Dmgice. Is this site important enough to have an article? I doubt it. -- JeLuF 00:47, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Alexa ranking. -- Cyan 01:36, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete: Unimportant. --Menchi 03:04, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. It is a good article, and it is not up to Wikipedia to decide what's important. ++Liberal 16:17, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. It is up to Wikipedia to decide what is important enough to include in Wikipedia. Otherwise I'd write an article on my aunt's hair color. Axlrosen 19:59, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 20:48, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Image:Xpmaolaugh.jpg not funny and useless --Jiang 01:02, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Not only an orphan, but one scary picture! RickK 01:54, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete: Bad graphic. --Menchi 03:04, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete: Useless. ++Liberal 16:17, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 20:48, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Image:China (58).jpg orphaned propoganda photo uploaded by User:Paektu --Jiang 01:09, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. It's an orphan. RickK 02:07, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete: Obviously copyrighted. --Menchi 03:04, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. ++Liberal 16:17, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 20:48, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

List of schools in the United States. Please can we delete these lists before they spread? RickK 02:34, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Evil saltine 02:48, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- I think whether this page is deleted depends on what the rule is for having articles about schools. Perhaps cleaer guidelines are needed on which ones are allowed to be articles. Or is it ok to list all of them? Angela 02:53, Oct 12, 2003 (UTC)
  - There are 128,484 schools in the US alone. I think it would be a waste to list every single one. Evil saltine 03:09, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. BL 02:51, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Why? It would help if you had a reason. Angela 02:53, Oct 12, 2003 (UTC)
  - I've been in seven different schools during my time in the education system. Each of those schools were older than 30 years, more than 10,000 persons know about each one of them. If you check your library, I'll bet that you will find a remarkable wealth of information about your local school(s), least I could. Just because it isn't on Google doesn't mean it doesn't exist kinda. BL 03:42, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete: How many elementary schools pass the 5000 test (or even just 500)? Some of those that do pass the test deserve an article (such as those with famous history or have been on the news); those that do not pass the test: Maybe later. --Menchi 03:04, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Being on the news definitely does not make something or someone worthy of an article. A lot of schools would pass the 5000 test but I still don't think that's enough. Angela 03:19, Oct 12, 2003 (UTC)
- My suggestion earlier is that only schools that have some special reason for listing and perhaps all (?) colleges/universities should eventually get articles. All others can be named (listed) with their town, and an external link to the school's website provided there. Otherwise we are in the position of providing websites for these very numerous entities (see what Wikipedia is not) - Marshman 03:28, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - I agree with this. Evil saltine 03:30, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - And if students are interested in writing about their schools, let's push them to instead flesh out the article on their town, which is of far greater general interest. I mean, if you have been in one middle school in America, you have seen them all - Marshman
- Keep, obviously. There is no reason not to have articles on all these schools. Even if we only ever get articles on a small proportion of them, we need the list to keep track of what ones do have articles. -- Oliver P. 06:52, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - Anyone wanting to look up a school will look up the respective town; having info about schools in the town article and redirecting the school to the town is adequate. Evil saltine 07:30, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    - Having all the information about all of a town's schools in a single article is impractical. (See Gentgeen's comment above.) When the list of US schools becomes too unwieldy, it might make more sense to chop it into separate sections for separate towns, and to put the bits on the town pages, but at the moment the list isn't all that long, so I think for now we might as well have them all in a single master list. -- Oliver P. 10:39, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Useful category. Martin 12:27, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- The schools deserve articles, but this list is impractical. ++Liberal 16:17, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - What about a List of schools in (whatever city)? Then people could include elementary schools and universities on the same list, if applicable... Adam Bishop 19:45, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Not everything that is factual belongs in an encyclopedia, even an electronic one. Axlrosen 20:02, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't see the reason to delete the article. It maybe doesn't belong to wikipedia, then redirect or blanking is good enough, no reason to get rid of history. Strive to show the reason to delete the article permanentally not the reason that is not appreciate article. -- Taku
- Keep. I view a lot of these lists as unpleasant weeds, but this one has some potential I think. It might be useful to restrict it slightly to List of notable schools in the United States. That would, for instance, knock nearly all of the current Arkansas entries out except for Little Rock Central. Notable schools both past and present should continue.Ark30inf 20:19, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. And if someone is actually willilng to work on this for the next few month (years?), at least make it a bunch of much smaller lists... -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 20:48, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Reality Hacker. Three dictionary definitions. RickK 03:24, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete Tiles 03:57, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Don't delete articles just because they're stubs. ++Liberal 16:17, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep, improvable. Axlrosen 20:14, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

London E17. A list of post codes was bad enough but individual articles for each postcode?? Angela 03:29, Oct 12, 2003 (UTC)
- I voted to keep the list of postal codes, but this is too much. This informatin could be included in an article about that part of London, but has no value just as a postal code, because no one would look up information that way. Use the place name. Delete - Marshman 03:32, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Del. Content is better placed on the list -- maybe then the list will finally become encyclopedic. --Menchi 03:37, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- From London postal district: "Note that London postal districts rarely coincide with the boundaries of London boroughs". So how do we find out what the boundaries are? Why, from their Wikipedia articles, of course! Eventually this information will be added, and maps, too, if we're lucky. In the meantime, this can be kept as a stub, as it provides the very interesting information that the band East 17 was named after the postal district in question. -- Oliver P. 06:52, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete: Pointless to have an article on a postal code. Maybe if the article on the boyband is written, E17 can be a redirect to it, with the article on East 17 having a little bit of information on the postal code. ++Liberal 16:17, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Not surprising that it showed up since the silly list is there to index it. Anyway, delete.Ark30inf 16:07, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- We should not have articles on post codes unless they are important for being more than a post code. Most countries have examples; Ireland has Dublin 4, which is seen as a state of mind, a place where the political, business and cultural establishment live and look down on the ordinary people from. Does E17 have a particular significance? If it does, then keep. The fact that a band was named after the post code certainly gives it some appeal as an encyclopædia article. Our job is to answer questions, and one obvious question is, why was a band named after that post code? Are they from there? Does it have some specific significance for Londoners, the music industry, London youth culture (or given Brian Harvey's antics, London's drugs supply?) etc. A stub on a post code where one is talking about more than merely a post code is perfectly logical so I say keep and expand. FearÉIREANN 16:53, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- I've changed my mind on this. I think postcode articles might have potential. Angela 19:17, Oct 12, 2003 (UTC)
  - I think a case can be made for some post codes, but the vast majority are about places, and the name of the place (town, district, whatever) should be the article with the postal code as info given in that article. - Marshman 23:17, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Wikipedia should not try to replace every other source of information on the planet. There has to be a better source for this information (more compelete, more accurate (no transcription errors), more up-to-date) than Wikipedia. Let's let Wikipedia do what it does best (articles about important topics, not mere data) and let other sites do what they do best. Axlrosen 20:11, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - You are joking! For the last year most of the debates on wikipedia have been arguing the exact opposite. That wikipedia should not under any circumstances restrict itself to so called important topics. The whole point of wikipedia is to be up to date and contain information on more than so-called important topics. FearÉIREANN 21:48, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    - Well if that's the case, not everyone seems to have gotten the message. Look at the votes on this page for Dmgice, Spectator Club, and this one (London E17) - it seems like a at least half the people feel that these topics are not important enough for Wikipedia. Can you point me to the debate where this was decided? Axlrosen 03:33, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Sorry, but this could also grow out of control...and to no real end. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 20:48, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

22nd century and 23rd century (both articles are linked to from Centuries). Right now, the only thing either article contains is a statement of what years they comprise. Can they in some way be salvaged? --Raul654 07:47, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Also, add to that 30th century, which contains more of the same.
- Delete: Pointless. ++Liberal 16:17, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Nicely improved; keep. --Infrogmation 18:59, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 20:48, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- and 34th century BC. Angela 22:54, Oct 12, 2003 (UTC)
- Keep, it's been improved. -- Mattworld 23:58, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Evil saltine 11:57, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Image:Map.bmp - does not appear to link to anything. Vancouverguy 16:04, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Wikipedia_Help_the_Eager_Beaver_Article_Foundation - asking for contributions to stop deletion of Eager_Beaver (a fictional strip club in a movie). -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 20:27, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Was deleted several times already as being outright nonsense. I doubt posting nonsense like that this will help the above case of Eager Beaver. andy 21:46, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Sergei Kopeikin. Non-famous. Only around 600 Google hits. Angela 20:29, Oct 12, 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. I get 921 hits and information that he is a physicist of note. The article should be expanded with a description of his work, not deleted. We need more scientists here, not fewer. --zero 03:45, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Just put in information on his actual work and fame. Donnie Ng 23:17, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Coptologist
- Off-topic. Martin 21:42, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

If - - primary source text. Was originally on VfD/copyvio, but it was determined to have been published in the 19th century, so is not a copyright issue. --Delirium 22:03, Oct 12, 2003 (UTC)
- Move to http://ps.wikipedia.org/ . Evil saltine 04:00, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Agree with ES. Axlrosen 23:10, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

October 13

Help Israel - is this anything more than a Yahoo group? --Wik 02:12, Oct 13, 2003 (UTC)
- Delete, unless if can be shown that this is a real organization beyond Yahoo. At the moment it looks like an advertisement for a chat group. (Btw, pretty funny to call an organization with this name "nonpartisan".) --zero 03:45, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 03:51, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Agree with Zero. BTW At the top of Help Israel I added the pointer to this page, as specified in Wikipedia:Deletion_policy. Don't forget to add that when you list a page here. Axlrosen 03:54, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete; groups.yahoo.com is ranked below 100,000 on alexa, and google search for "Help Israel" Yahoo! doesn't have that site for at least the first 7 pages. Evil saltine 03:55, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Not entirely sure. Leaning toward delete: If it is only a yahoo group then it should probably be deleted. It doesn't help that the creator of the article seems to be astroturfing. (Judging by all the University of Western Ontario links and the fact that the group's description says that it is a Canadian student organisation.) --snoyes 04:04, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Google search for "Help Israel" organization found nothing significant. Fuzheado 06:32, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete.

List of famous pedophiles
- Delete. See Talk:List of famous pedophiles#Should be deleted in its present form.—Eloquence 02:12, Oct 13, 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Another one of these lists whose creation motivation is suspect. RickK 02:52, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. -- I've been trying to help with this one but I also am suspicious about the motivation... -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 03:51, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. It is a valid list with useful information. Note that the page was originally titled List of pedophiles and pederasts. -- Drolsi Susej 04:24, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - This user is the primary author of this page.—Eloquence
- Delete. Talk page has it right, pedophilia as a classification is very troublesome. Not the same issues as gay, lesbian, bisexual. Fuzheado 06:32, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete, unless an effort is made to ensure that nobody (alive or dead) appears on the list without scrupulous documentation of the sources which lead to the classification. Otherwise, next will be List of murderers featuring such "debated murderers" as OJ Simpson, Bomber Harris and George W Bush. Onebyone 10:36, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - Agree with the above Raul654 11:48, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Highly dodgy, tasteless and inaccurate page. FearÉIREANN 20:38, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Agree with Jtdirl. -- Cyan 21:34, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Note: I've improved the list. Drolsi Susej 21:49, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Yet another list that could be construed to serve no other purpose than defamation and trolling. It would perhaps not be wrong to mention single persons as pedophiles in appropriate places (if conclusive evidence is provided), but this list is (guess what?) unencyclopedic. Delete. Kosebamse 22:24, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep a list. We have lists for all the occupations and hundreds of different groups of people. Donnie Ng 23:17, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. Apart from the tastelessness of it, the risk that someone will name someone incorrectly (innocently or not) and leave themselves and Wikipedia wide open to a libel action must approach 100%. Do we have an article on British libel law? :) Arwel 23:35, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - There is a disclaimer and the article List of famous gay, lesbian or bisexual people would seem to be open to the same problems, yet it has existed on wikipedia since 2001. Drolsi Susej 00:17, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Daystar - Wikipedia is not a dictionary, much less a slang dictionary. --Delirium 07:31, Oct 13, 2003 (UTC)
- Updated with info bout the clone manufacturer. Dysprosia 09:37, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Steve Rochinski - completely noninformative stub about what appears to be a very minor musician. --Robert Merkel 08:05, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Del. --Menchi 09:41, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- It does say he wrote a book... http://www.jardis.de/artists/steve.htm Evil saltine 10:31, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - 40,000 books are published per year in the UK, goodness knows how many worldwide. I don't think that a person simply having written a book should oblige Wikipedia to keep their article if it would otherwise be deleted. -- Onebyone 10:39, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep, he seems to be a reasonably well known musician and author of books about guitars. [2] -- Popsracer 11:07, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Sophomore. Dictionary definition. Angela 21:31, Oct 13, 2003 (UTC)
- Delete Axlrosen 23:07, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- This page appears to have already been deleted, and was moved to student. If we are going to delete this, we should probably delete freshman, junior, and senior also (and redirect to student). -- Mattworld 23:45, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Thomas Dufferin Pattullo. Nearly empty article, should be deleted. dave 21:47, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. He was a Premier of a Canadian province, it can be expanded. RickK 22:57, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep, improvable. Axlrosen 23:07, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Don't delete, fix. Donnie Ng 23:12, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep, please. I saw it already and marked it on my watchlist: I've the intention of fleshing it out by week's end. As it stands, the one sentence of true information (though sparse) is better than a blank page, though I plan to improve upon it. Jwrosenzweig 23:14, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. I am puzzled: why did you create it, if you were just going to list it here? -- Cyan 23:30, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  - It was an experiment of sorts...I had deleted another B.C. premier's page, which was a short-page like this one, but User:Jiang objected on the grounds that it was against the Deletion policy; however I disagreed. I decided to see what the administrators thought, by creating one of my own and putting it here. It looks like I am in the minority... dave 00:14, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)

An American Foreign Legion. A personal rant. I almost deleted it on sight, but ducked. RickK 22:51, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete, hopelessly POV Axlrosen 23:07, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete. -- Cyan 23:30, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- Delete, it's not an encyclopedia article. -- Mattworld 23:45, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)