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John Wells' designations

John Wells' designation from the Crisis Compendium were foreshadowed from this webboard, many of the list reproduced verbatim there.

http://obscure.dcuguide.com/Board/BatmanChars4.htm

And now, here's a few Batman-related parallel worlds, starting and ending with ones that were named by DC --

EARTH-12:

A somewhat demented variant of Earth-1, whose residents include most of Earth-1's heroes as well as the Inferior Five. Its first definite appearance was in SHOWCASE # 62 (May-June, 1966) and it was named in THE OZ-WONDERLAND WARS # 3 (March, 1986).

Appearances: THE ADVENTURES OF BOB HOPE # 94 THE ADVENTURES OF JERRY LEWIS # 92, 97, 105, 112, 117 All-NEW COLLECTORS' EDITION # C-53, C-60 CANCELLED COMIC CAVALCADE # 1 (GREEN TEAM # 2-3), 2 (PREZ # 5) FIRST ISSUE SPECIAL # 2 THE INFERIOR FIVE # 1-10 LIMITED COLLECTORS' EDITION # C-33, C-42 THE OZ-WONDERLAND WARS # 3 (mention) PLASTIC MAN [second series] # 1-10 RUDOLPH, THE RED-NOSED REINDEER [first series] # 1-12; [second series] C-20, C-24, C-50 SHOWCASE # 62-63, 65 SUPERGIRL [first series] # 10/1 SUPERMAN MEETS THE QUIK BUNNY SWING WITH SCOOTER # 5

"EARTH-27*" (named after ANIMAL MAN # 27):

Home of variant versions of Animal Man, Batman, and B'wana Beast and historical divergences such as Hitler's hanging for his war crimes and Edward Kennedy's drowning at Chappaquiddick (ANIMAL MAN # 27-32).

"EARTH-32" (named after GREEN LANTERN # 32):

An Earth similar to Earth-1 but with numerous variances. Among the deviations, Hal Jordan married Carol Ferris early in his Green Lantern career and characters such as Luthor, Robin, Speedy, and the Flash II had origins that differed from their Earth-1 and Earth-2 counterparts. First revealed as a distinct world in GREEN LANTERN [second series] # 32 (Oct 1964).

Appearances: ACTION COMICS # 279/1 ADVENTURE COMICS # 209/3 THE AMAZING WORLD OF DC COMICS # 11 THE AQUATEERS MEET THE SUPER FRIENDS BATMAN # 32/2 BATMAN (Power Records) # 27, 30 BATMAN: BELT 'EM FOR SAFETY BATMAN: THE JOKER'S LAST LAUGH BATMAN: THE LAST ANGEL BATMAN: THE PERIL OF THE PENGUIN BLACKHAWK [first series] # 203, 242-250 THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD [first series] # 90, 99, 131 CANCELLED COMIC CAVALCADE # 1 (FIRESTORM # 6), 2 (THE VIXEN # 1) DC CHALLENGE # 1-12 DC SUPER-STARS # 14/1 THE FLASH [first series] 167/1 THE FLASH VS. DR. POLARIS THE GOLDEN AGE # 1-4 GREEN LANTERN # 32/1 HAWKMAN [first series] # 22-27 JUSTICE LEAGUE AMERICA VS. AMAZO SUPERBOY # 59/2, 158 SUPERGEAR COMICS SUPERGIRL (American Honda) # 1-2 SUPER HEROES: PRISONERS OF THE STARS SUPER HEROES: THE SECRET OF THE SINISTER LIGHTHOUSE SUPERMAN [first series] # 78/3, 330 SUPERMAN (Power Records) # 28, 34 SUPERMAN AT BLOOMINGDALES SUPERMAN: LUTHOR'S IMPOSSIBLE CRIME SUPERMAN SPECIAL [first series] # 2 SUPERMAN: TERRA-MAN'S SKYWAY ROBBERY SUPERMAN: THIS ISLAND BRADMAN SUPERMAN VS. METALLO SUPERMAN'S GIRL FRIEND, LOIS LANE # 59 SUPERMAN'S PAL, JIMMY OLSEN # 36/2, 109 SUPER POWERS [first series] # 1-5; [second series] 1-6; [third series] 1-4 SUPER POWERS COLLECTION # 1-23 VIEWMASTER MINI COMICS # 1-9 Wonder Woman [first series] # 167/1, 170/1 WONDER WOMAN (Power Records) # 35 WONDER WOMAN AND THE STAR RIDERS VS. PURRSIA WONDER WOMAN: THE ANGLE MENACE WONDER WOMAN: THE CHEETAH'S JEWEL CAPER WORLD'S FINEST COMICS # 223, 227

"EARTH-40" (home of non-canonical Golden Age stories and named after the 1940s):

A world on which Billy Batson became a hero named Captain Thunder. Also the home of a Superboy who was raised in Metropolis and a Wonder Woman who was active during World War Two and participated in several adventures that were similar to those of Earth-2's Diana. By the early 1960s, Bruce Wayne had retired to make way for "the second Batman and Robin team." First seen in BATMAN [first series] # 32/2 and revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM # 2 (February, 1999).

Appearances: ADVENTURE COMICS # 120/1 BATMAN # 32/2, 131, 135, 145, 159, 163 BATMAN: THE DAILIES # 1-3 BATMAN: THE SUNDAY CLASSICS THE LEGEND OF WONDER WOMAN # 1-4 THE SHAZAM! ARCHIVES # 1 SUPERMAN [first series] # 46/3 WONDER WOMAN [first series] # 50/1, 156, 159-165, 168

"EARTH-61*" (named after the year in which the story begins -- 1961):

A world where a female Joker named Bianca Steeplechase killed Robin in 1961 and where Bruce Wayne was inspired to become Batman and join Batgirl in 1962 (THRILLKILLER # 1-3; THRILLKILLER '62).

"EARTH-85" (home of post-Crisis stories that later fell from grace and named after the year the Crisis took place -- 1985):

An Earth where Batman had a child with Talia (BATMAN: SON OF THE DEMON), a murderous Catwoman owned a nightclub (ACTION COMICS # 611-614) and Captain Marvel operated out of San Francisco (SHAZAM!: A NEW BEGINNING # 1-4), among other deviations.

Appearances: ACTION COMICS # 588 ACTION COMICS WEEKLY # 611-614, 623-626 BATMAN: BRIDE OF THE DEMON BATMAN: BROTHERHOOD OF THE BAT BATMAN: LEAGUE OF BATMEN # 1-2 BATMAN: SON OF THE DEMON CREATURE COMMANDOS # 1-8 DETECTIVE COMICS # 569-570 HAWKMAN [second series] # 1-17 POWER OF THE ATOM # 4 SHADE, THE CHANGING MAN [second series] # 1-70 SHAZAM!: THE NEW BEGINNING # 1-4

"EARTH-96*" (named after the year KINGDOM COME was published -- 1996):

An Earth whose metahuman population ran out of control, culminating in a catastrophic nuclear strike (KINGDOM COME # 1-4. Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM # 2 (February, 1999).

Appearances: GOG (VILLAINS) # 1 THE KINGDOM # 1-2 THE KINGDOM: KID FLASH # 1 THE KINGDOM: NIGHTSTAR # 1 THE KINGDOM: OFFSPRING # 1 THE KINGDOM: PLANET KRYPTON # 1 THE KINGDOM: SON OF THE BAT # 1 KINGDOM COME # 1-4 KINGDOM COME: COLLECTED EDITION KINGDOM COME: REVELATIONS (text) THE TITANS # 22-25

"EARTH-97*"(named after the year TANGENT COMICS debuted -- 1997):

A world that was radically changed by Arthur Thompson's emergence as the Atom during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962 (TANGENT COMICS/THE ATOM # 1). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM # 2 (February, 1999).

Appearances: TANGENT COMICS/ THE ATOM# 1 TANGENT COMICS/ THE BATMAN # 1 TANGENT COMICS/ DOOM PATROL # 1 TANGENT COMICS/ THE FLASH # 1 TANGENT COMICS/ GREEN LANTERN # 1 TANGENT COMICS/ JLA # 1 TANGENT COMICS/ THE JOKER # 1 TANGENT COMICS/ THE JOKER'S WILD # 1 TANGENT COMICS/ METAL MEN # 1 TANGENT COMICS/ NIGHTWING # 1 TANGENT COMICS/ NIGHTWING: NIGHT FORCE # 1 TANGENT COMICS/ POWERGIRL # 1 TANGENT COMICS/ SEA DEVILS # 1 TANGENT COMICS/ SECRET SIX # 1 TANGENT COMICS/ THE SUPERMAN # 1 TANGENT COMICS/ TALES OF THE GREEN LANTERN # 1 TANGENT COMICS/ THE TRIALS OF THE FLASH # 1 TANGENT COMICS/ WONDER WOMAN # 1

"EARTH-136" (named after WORLD'S FINEST # 136):

An Earth without a Batman. Its population included Bruce (Superman) Wayne and a Lois Lane double named Vicki Vale (WORLD'S FINEST COMICS # 136).

"EARTH-148" (named after WORLD'S FINEST # 148):

A world characterized by heroic counterparts of Clayface, Luthor, and Mirror Master and villainous versions of Batman, Flash, and Superman. Existence revealed in WORLD'S FINEST COMICS # 148. Also seen in THE FLASH [first series] # 174 and SUPER FRIENDS # 23.

"EARTH-153" (named after WORLD'S FINEST # 153):

An Earth whose Batman, ultimately killed by Luthor, had wrongly blamed Superman for the deaths of his parents (WORLD'S FINEST COMICS # 153).

"EARTH-154*" (named after WORLD'S FINEST # 154):

Home of a married Clark Kent & Lois Lane and Bruce Wayne & Kathy Kane and their heroic sons (WORLD'S FINEST COMICS # 154, 157).

"EARTH-167*" (named after WORLD'S FINEST # 167):

Home of Lex (Superman) Luthor and Clark (Batman) Kent (WORLD'S FINEST COMICS # 167).

"EARTH-172*" (named after WORLD'S FINEST # 172):

A world where Bruce Wayne was adopted by the Kents and became Clark's brother. As Batman, he relocated to the Legion of Super-Heroes' 30th century (WORLD'S FINEST COMICS # 172).

"EARTH-178*" (named after WORLD'S FINEST # 178):

Home of a Superman who lost his powers and adopted the costumed identity of The Nova (WORLD'S FINEST COMICS # 178, 180). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM # 2 (February, 1999).

"EARTH-184*" (named after WORLD'S FINEST # 184):

A world whose Robin was caretaker for a mentally impaired Batman and a blind Superman (WORLD'S FINEST COMICS # 184).

"EARTH-216" (named after WORLD'S FINEST # 216):

A world where Superman and Batman each had namesake offspring who often operated as the Super-Sons (WORLD'S FINEST COMICS # 215). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM # 2 (February, 1999).

Appearances: WORLD'S FINEST COMICS # 215-216, 221-222, 224, 228, 230-231, 233, 238, 242, 263

"EARTH-353*" (named after SUPERMAN # 353):

A world on which Kal-El was adopted by Thomas and Martha Wayne, eventually becoming Superman and, as Bruce Wayne, marrying Barbara Gordon (SUPERMAN [first series] # 353, 358, 363).

"EARTH-391*" (named after ACTION COMICS # 391):

An world on which Superman and Batman each fathered heroic sons and on which Superman, Jr. eventually succeeded his father (ACTION COMICS # 391-392).

"EARTH-395" (named after the month and date -- March, 1995 -- that KAL was published):

An Earth where the Kryptonian known as Kal fought and died as an armored knight and where a bat-man known as the Dark Knight fought on behalf of Merlin during King Arthur's final days. First seen in SUPERMAN: KAL and revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM # 2 (February, 1999).

Appearances: BATMAN: DARK KNIGHT OF THE ROUND TABLE # 1-2 SUPERBOY [third series] # 61-62, 64 SUPERMAN: KAL

"EARTH-494" (named after the month and date -- April, 1994 -- that DETECTIVE ANNUAL # 7 was published):

A world where a pirate Leatherwing fought alongside allies such as Alfredo, Robin Redblade and Felina hundreds of years in the past. First seen in DETECTIVE COMICS ANNUAL # 7 (April, 1994):

Appearances: THE BATMAN CHRONICLES # 11 DETECTIVE COMICS ANNUAL # 7

"EARTH-500" (named after DETECTIVE # 500):

A world with no Paradise Island or Krypton that contained a young Bruce Wayne training to be become his Earth's Batman (DETECTIVE COMICS # 500).

"EARTH-898" (named after the month and date -- August, 1998 -- that THE NAIL was published):

A world where a genetically-altered Jimmy Olsen threatened Earth's entire metahuman population until the hero destined to be known as Superman rose up to stop him (JLA: THE NAIL # 1-3). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM # 2 (February, 1999).

"EARTH-1098" (named after the month and date -- October, 1998 -- that ELSEWORLD'S FINEST: S & B was published):

A world whose preeminent costumed champions are Supergirl and Batgirl, members of a Justice Society that also included Ambush Bug, Barda, Interceptor, Revenant, Vectron and others (ELSEWORLD'S FINEST: SUPERGIRL & BATGIRL). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM # 2 (February, 1999).

Appearances: ELSEWORLD'S FINEST: SUPERGIRL & BATGIRL SUPERBOY [third series] # 61-62, 64

"EARTH-1099" (named after the month and date -- October, 1999 -- that GUARDIAN OF GOTHAM was published):

A world where Gotham City's greatest heroine was the Catwoman and its most notorious villain was The Batman (CATWOMAN: GUARDIAN OF GOTHAM # 1-2). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM # 2 (February, 1999).

"EARTH-1191" (named after the month and date -- November, 1991 -- that RED RAIN was published):

Home of a Batman who was transformed into a vampire by Dracula. First appearance in BATMAN & DRACULA: RED RAIN (November, 1991).

Appearances: BATMAN & DRACULA: RED RAIN BATMAN: BLOODSTORM BATMAN: CRIMSON MIST.

"EARTH-1289" (named after the month and date -- December, 1989 -- that the Batman comic strip debuted):

An Earth where Batman and Robin fought the Riddler on their first formal case and where Harvey "Two Face" Dent was ultimately rehabilitated. First seen in COMICS REVUE # 41.

Appearances: COMICS REVUE # 41-66.

"EARTH-1889" (named after the year that GOTHAM BY GASLIGHT took place):

A world on which Bruce Wayne began his career as Batman in 1889. First appearance in GOTHAM BY GASLIGHT. Also seen in BATMAN: MASTER OF THE FUTURE. Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM # 2 (February, 1999).

"EARTH-1927" (named after the year the "Metropolis" had its theatrical release):

Home of the clockwork city of Metropolis where the Super-Man once fought Lutor and Bruss Wayne-Son took the alias of the Nosferatu. First seen in SUPERMAN'S METROPOLIS.

Appearances: BATMAN: NOSFERATU SUPERMAN'S METROPOLIS

"EARTH-3839" (named after the years that Superman and Batman debuted -- 1938 and 1939):

A world where Superman and Lois Lane were the parents of children named Joel and Kara and where Batman was succeeded by Dick Grayson and, later, his own son. First seen in BATMAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA and revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM # 2 (February, 1999).

Appearances: BATMAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA BATMAN: GOTHAM KNIGHTS # 2, 9, 12 SUPERMAN & BATMAN: GENERATIONS # 1-4 SUPERMAN & BATMAN: GENERATIONS II # 1-4

Enda80 20:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)Enda80

John Wells designates in Crisis Compendium

In the Compendium, John Wells states that the Wonder Woman from WW#175 was from Earth-148. Aside from that, he set 'Tec#500 as Earth-5, not Earth-500. Earth-15 also confirmed. Earth-146 was confirmed. Earth-1889 for Gotham By Gaslight and Master of the Future. Earth-54 for earlier Tommy Tomorrow stories. Earth-216 for the 1970's published Super-Sons.

I have no idea if the Compendium is considered canon, but if it is, have you thought about including some of this in the article and not just the talk page? CovenantD 00:32, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Compendium was published by DC, so it is canon. 19:03, 20 May 2006 (UTC)Enda80

Earth- Zero and Earth-Qward

is earth Qward official?

earth-zero is the proposed name of post zero hour earth? can anyone cite this. we know for a fact that earth-zero was shown in ic5 with the bizzaros i'm gonna go ahead and change that.24.127.233.230 09:03, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, Earth-Zero's only been used by fans. As far as Earth-Qward, I'd just call it Qward. It's the counterpart to Oa, not to Earth. The Earth introduced in Morrison's "Earth 2" is seperate from Qward, as shown by JLA/Avengers (yes, it's in-continuity) and issues of JLA. It chafes me, but I suppose Htrae is now known as Earth-Zero. --DoctorWorm7 09:58, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Infinite Crisis section

This is actually the best summary I've read of the events in Infinite Crisis, but the grammar is occasionally a little confusing. I fixed it up in a couple places, but some things I couldn't fix because my understanding of Infinite Crisis is too poor and I couldn't figure out what was being said. This sentence in particular has me totally confused: "Former Earth-Two characters were transported there as well as removing all locations and continuity from the post-Crisis and Zero-Hour Earth."

Where is "there"? The recreated Earth-Two? And the second part...just, I don't understand. Did the Earth-Two characters do the removing? Or was this a part of the storyline. In which case, I still don't understand, but maybe it should be another sentence? And what do they mean by removing locations and continuity? I thought that Crisis on Infinite Earths was about removing continuities, and Infinite Crisis seems to be about bringing them back.

Anyway, just a suggestion, that someone who understands Infinite Crisis might want to rephrase some of the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:69.123.178.200 (talk • contribs) .+

Earth-B and Other Possibilities

In his fanzine Omniverse (published in the early '80s, although I no longer have a copy from which to make a formal citation), the late Mark Gruenwald postulated that "Earth-B" was not only the "Brave and the Bold" universe, but also that of the Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman stories published in the 1950s whose characterizations and histories matched neither the Golden Age/1940s nor Silver Age/1960s versions of the characters -- the smiling Batman with multiple and multi-colored versions of his costume who time- and space-traveled; the Superman who frequently had other surviving Kryptonians visit for single stories; and so forth. This may also have been the universe of the Lois Lane who appeared in her own comic who was constantly trying to find out Superman's secret identity, and acted nothing like the Lois Lane in Action or Superman comics.

Some time in '89 or thereafter there was an issue of a Batman or Detective comic which involved Batmen from multiple time-periods and universes; the cover depicted a couple of dozen Batmen whom you could differentiate by their cowls. One was clearly the Adam West television cowl, one looked like Michael Keaton's, and some others could have been the cowls from the two motion picture serial versions. Presumably these exist in their own unnamed universes -- and the same would be true of the live-action Supermen, Superboy, and Flash.

Davidkevin 00:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Earth--616

Can we come to a final decision on wether or not Earth-616 belongs in this list? --Veemonkamiya 05:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep I just remembered that it's not the Marvel Earth I am against being here, only the Marvel alternate realities that have been listed here several times. Because JLA/Avengers has affected continuity, it should be kept alongside the Wildstorm universe. I can't think of any other such examples, although the Superman Madman Hullabaloo stayed in Madman continuity. --Chris Griswold 07:00, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep, JLA/Avengers was in current continuity and i think Marvel vs DC was, although only JLA/Avengers was later specifically mentioned in storylines (Syndicate Rules). Exvicious 07:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe Marvel Vs. DC is in continuity, but DC's co-ownership with Marvel of the character Access lends itself to Marvel's staying on the list. --Chris Griswold 09:09, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep albeit reluctantly, as it technically is not part of the DC Multiverse, but rather part of its own distinct multiverse. However, due to the two publishers' predication towards frequent crossovers in the last few years, I can concede the reason to allow this entry. NetK 23:47, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Although it is not official, marvunapp.com [1] has a detailed write-up on marvunapp.com (an unofficial index to the Marvel Universe, yet is consistantly the main source for Marvel Index publications. The main Marvel Earth-616 does not have DC (or other publisher) characters in existance or knowledge and should not be the main location of these stories.--RedKnight 14:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Watchmen note

Question#17 or so, guest-starring Green Arrow, showed that Watchmen was a comic book in the mainstream DCU.

19:08, 20 May 2006 (UTC)Enda80

Equals messed up, because Superman is a comic book character in Watchmen--Chris Griswold 21:41, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Had not thought of that. Hmmmm.....Well unlesss somebody in Watchmen says that they know Clark Kent is Superman, then we can chalk that up to a clever touch on the part of the DCU Alan Moore, that he posited an alternate world where Superman was fictional.

Ok, I checked Wathcmen. Hollis Mason refers to Clark Kent's relationship with Lois Lane, but that is public knowledge, and he never says that Clark Kent was Superman's dual identiy.

Enda80 16:57, 21 May 2006 (UTC)Enda80

From the Question (comics) entry: "The Question #17 (1988) had Vic Sage read Watchmen; He initially sees Rorschach as being quite cool, but gets beaten up after trying to emulate his brutal style of justice. He concludes that 'Rorschach sucks'."

Multiverse Pic

what's a good picture to represent the Multiverse? ross/perez crisis cover? IC#5 with the supermen fighting? Exvicious 04:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Retroversing

Where might be a good place to put the fanon theory of retroversing? The belief among some fans that not the DC multiverse is only temporarily destroyed? In Crisis on Infinite Earths the writer Marv Wolfman claimed Anti-Monitor destroyed all of the infinite alternate realities except five, and those five were merged eventually into one. However, it's mathematically impossible to destroy something that is infinite. If something that was infinite can be subtracted to a one or a zero, by definition it must have always been finite.

Fans of retroversing propose that while even Anti-Monitor may have thought he destroyed millions of alternate realities, he actually didn't destroy any more alternate realities than those he could see, and that unbeknownst to everyone, there's actually a time before the "Dawn of Time" that the great battle against the Anti-Monitor occurred in the Crisis. Even if there are mere nanoseconds, it means there was time before the point where realities were merged into one, so there's points of time before the point at the Dawn of Time where Spectre & Anti-Monitor had that test of wills. I submit that time actually diverged from the DC multiverse for purposes of its storytelling not when the climax of the DC reality began, but at the nanosecond that Anti-Monitor appeared in the past. Time moved forward for him and all the heroes who followed after him to the beginning of time. So what makes the DC universe different from all other alternate realities is that some of that alternate time's own inhabitants went back in time to change it, and for that reality it will always and has always been that way.

If one were to go back before the nanosecond where Anti-Monitor appeared in the dawn of time, thus changing time for that reality, one would find oneself in an alternate reality, in which Anti-Monitor may or may not appear, and in that instant, one would either create a new alternate timeline, or appear in an alternate timeline in which one was always destined to appear. Fans of retroversing think of all the DC universe alternate realities as strands of time weaved together comprising of the metaphorical equivalent of one strand of hair on a large furry creature, or one grain of sand on a very long beach. Anti-Monitor may have gone back in time to destroy all reality, but he only managed to almost destroy one tributary of a much larger river; a tributary that was not necessarily meant to never split again beyond that, into it's own multiverse of millions of alternate realities, slightly different from one another sometimes in subtle ways and sometimes dramatic, but every possible thing that could have happened after the moment Anti-Monitor appeared, did has and will happen. Eventually the multiverse will be repositioned into DC continuity, and every story that was ever written and published by DC will become accepted. No more retconning. No more selective amnesia about the parts of the past that are deemed inappropriate now. It all happened somewhere, somewhen.

...

Where's that go in this thing? ZachsMind 05:11, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Due to Wikipedia's policy of WP:NOR you'll have to reference this theory with some published work, either hardcopy or from an internet resource (not including any discussion boards or fandom websites). Thanks. NetK 05:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow, man. Just wow. Is this supernerdy thing actually written anywhere? Or is it just a message board thing? I notice it doesn't even have an entry. --Chris Griswold 06:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Vandal Savage note, also Crisis Compendium

A fb to ancient Sumer shows that Vandal Savage was informed of the presence of alternate Earths (including Earth-1) by a seer. See Action Comics#516

The Crisis Compendium was published by DC to go with the Absolute Edition of the Crisis.

Other than that, the Starheart that forms a part of the origin of Alan Scott originated in the Earth-1 universe and travelled to Earth-2 per Green Lantern# 108-109, thousands of years before Uncle Sam.

15:23, 19 June 2006 (UTC)~~Enda80

Enda80

Enda80, please reenter your most recent addition after the above. Somehow when you entered it, all the spacing and context of the above contributions was garbled within your response causing it to be unreadable. Thanks. NetK 04:59, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Blacklion chimes in

Regarding Earth-8 discussion, see http://blaklion.best.vwh.net/retcon.html ... although I never finished the page, maybe all of these characters ought to be on Earth-8 ... what do we know about its Golden Age? Currently I have them scattered around the multiverse as so noted.

Are there scans available of the three Aztek/Mayan characters?

I also need scans of some of the one-page or one-panel Earths shown in INFINITE CRISIS, and designations if available. 15:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)~~Enda80

From John Wells

Hi, Michael!

Here's the list that ran in the Compendium. Bob cut a few of my entries, like those referencing DC/Marvel crossovers and film adaptations (though he let Earth-988 slip through).

All the best,

John

EARTH-1:

Home of most of the DC action hero stories published from the mid-1950s to 1985.

Early representations of Earth-1 include Superboy, Tommy Tomorrow, and Captain Comet. Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE FLASH [first series] #123 (September, 1961) and named in JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #21 (August, 1963).

EARTH-2:

Home of most of the DC and Quality action hero stories published from 1935 to the mid-1950s.

The first appearance of a hero known to be from Earth-2 was Doctor Occult in NEW FUN COMICS #6 (October, 1935). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE FLASH [first series] #123 (September, 1961) and named in JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #21 (August, 1963).

EARTH-3:

An Earth whose past contained several sharp deviations from our history and whose present included a metahuman population made up primarily of villains rather than heroes. Its universe also contained a Krypton, whose Jor-El escaped to its Earth-1 counterpart.

Existence revealed in JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #29 (Aug., 1964).

Appearances:

ACTION COMICS #320 ALL-STAR SQUADRON #14-15 CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #1 DC COMICS PRESENTS ANNUAL #1 JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #29-30, 207, 209, 232 THE SECRET SOCIETY OF SUPER-VILLAINS #13-14 THE SUPERMAN FAMILY #194 SWAMP THING [second series] #155

EARTH-4:

Home of the Charlton action heroes of the 1960s. Revealed as a distinct parallel world and named in CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #1. First definite appearance in Captain Atom story in SPACE ADVENTURES [first series] #33 (March, 1960).

"EARTH-5":

A world with no Paradise Island or Krypton that contained a young Bruce Wayne training to be become his Earth's Batman (DETECTIVE COMICS #500).

EARTH-6:

Home of Lord Volt, Lady Quark, and Princess Fern. Existence revealed CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #4.

"EARTH-11":

An Earth where men landed on the moon in 1952. A nuclear war took place here in 1966. (TEEN TITANS SPOTLIGHT #11)

EARTH-12:

A somewhat demented variant of Earth-1, whose residents include most of Earth-1's heroes as well as the Inferior Five. Its first definite appearance was in SHOWCASE #62 (May-June, 1966) and it was named in THE OZ-WONDERLAND WARS #3 (March, 1986).

Appearances:

THE ADVENTURES OF BOB HOPE #94 THE ADVENTURES OF JERRY LEWIS #92, 97, 105, 112, 117 All-NEW COLLECTORS' EDITION #C-53, C-60 CANCELLED COMIC CAVALCADE #1 (GREEN TEAM # 2-3), 2 (PREZ # 5) FIRST ISSUE SPECIAL #2 THE INFERIOR FIVE #1-10 LIMITED COLLECTORS' EDITION #C-33, C-42 THE OZ-WONDERLAND WARS #3 (mention) PLASTIC MAN [second series] #1-10 RUDOLPH, THE RED-NOSED REINDEER [first series] #1-12; [second series] C-20, C-24, C-50 SHOWCASE #62-63, 65 SUPERGIRL [first series] #10/1 SWING WITH SCOOTER #5

"EARTH-15":

An earth populated by stone giants (JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #15).

"EARTH-19*":

Home of a married Clark and Lois Kent, the parents of super-twins, Larry and Carole (SUPERMAN'S GIRL FRIEND, LOIS LANE #19-20, 23, 60).

"EARTH-20":

An Earth without a Superman that was visited by Earth-1's Superman in an attempt at a lifestyle change (SUPERMAN'S GIRL FRIEND, LOIS LANE #20).

"EARTH-23":

A world created by the Time Trapper for the purpose of manipulating the Legion of Super-Heroes. Its residents included a Superboy and, years later, a Supergirl and a heroic Luthor. First appeared in LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES [third series] #23 (June, 1986).

Appearances:

ACTION COMICS #677 ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN #444 LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES [third series] #23, 37-38; [fourth series] 61 SUPERMAN [second series] #8, 21-22 VALOR #22-23

"EARTH-25*":

Home of a married Superman and Lois Lane, the parents of super son, Larry (SUPERMAN'S GIRL FRIEND, LOIS LANE #25, 39).

"EARTH-26*":

A world on which Superman married Lana Lang and bequeathed her with super-powers (SUPERMAN'S GIRL FRIEND, LOIS LANE #26).

"EARTH-27*":

Home of variant versions of Animal Man, Batman, and B'wana Beast and historical divergences such as Hitler's hanging for his war crimes and Edward Kennedy's drowning at Chappaquiddick (ANIMAL MAN #27-32).

"EARTH-32":

An Earth similar to Earth-1 but with numerous variances. Among the deviations, Hal Jordan married Carol Ferris early in his Green Lantern career and characters such as Luthor, Robin, Speedy, and the Flash II had origins that differed from their Earth-1 and Earth-2 counterparts. First revealed as a distinct world in GREEN LANTERN [second series] #32 (Oct., 1964).

Appearances:

ACTION COMICS #279/1 ADVENTURE COMICS #209/3 THE AMAZING WORLD OF DC COMICS #11 THE AQUATEERS MEET THE SUPER FRIENDS BATMAN #32/2 BATMAN (Power Records) #27, 30 BATMAN: BELT 'EM FOR SAFETY BATMAN: THE JOKER'S LAST LAUGH BATMAN: THE LAST ANGEL BATMAN: THE PERIL OF THE PENGUIN BLACKHAWK [first series] #203, 242-250 THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD [first series] #90, 99, 131 CANCELLED COMIC CAVALCADE #1 (FIRESTORM # 6), 2 (THE VIXEN #1) DC CHALLENGE #1-12 DC SUPER-STARS #14/1 THE FLASH [first series] #167/1 THE FLASH VS. DR. POLARIS THE GOLDEN AGE #1-4 GREEN LANTERN #32/1 HAWKMAN [first series] #22-27 JUSTICE LEAGUE AMERICA VS. AMAZO SUPERBOY #59/2, 158 SUPERGEAR COMICS SUPERGIRL (American Honda) #1-2 SUPER HEROES: PRISONERS OF THE STARS SUPER HEROES: THE SECRET OF THE SINISTER LIGHTHOUSE SUPERMAN [first series] #78/3, 330 SUPERMAN (Power Records) #28, 34 SUPERMAN AT BLOOMINGDALES SUPERMAN: LUTHOR'S IMPOSSIBLE CRIME SUPERMAN SPECIAL [first series] #2 SUPERMAN: TERRA-MAN'S SKYWAY ROBBERY SUPERMAN: THIS ISLAND BRADMAN SUPERMAN VS. METALLO SUPERMAN'S GIRL FRIEND, LOIS LANE #59 SUPERMAN'S PAL, JIMMY OLSEN #36/2, 109 SUPER POWERS [first series] #1-5; [second series] 1-6; [third series] 1-4 SUPER POWERS COLLECTION #1-23 VIEWMASTER MINI COMICS #1-9 WONDER WOMAN [first series] #167/1, 170/1 WONDER WOMAN (Power Records) #35 WONDER WOMAN AND THE STAR RIDERS VS. PURRSIA WONDER WOMAN: THE ANGLE MENACE WONDER WOMAN: THE CHEETAH'S JEWEL CAPER WORLD'S FINEST COMICS #223, 227

"EARTH-34*":

An Earth where Lois Lane and Lex Luthor married and became the parents of a son who ultimately married Superman and Lana Lang's daughter (SUPERMAN'S GIRL FRIEND, LOIS LANE #34, 46).

"EARTH-36*":

A world where Lana Lang left the twentieth century to marry one of Superman's descendants after the present day Superman and Lois married and became the parents of super-twins (SUPERMAN'S GIRL FRIEND, LOIS LANE #36).

"EARTH-39":

A world devastated by pollution and war characterized by, among others, Jonathan and (a non-super) Clark Kent (NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERBOY #39).

"EARTH-40":

A world on which Billy Batson became a hero named Captain Thunder (SHAZAM! ARCHIVES #1). Also the home of a Superboy who was raised in Metropolis and a Wonder Woman who was active during World War Two and participated in several adventures that were similar to those of Earth-2's Diana. By the early 1960s, Bruce Wayne had retired to make way for “the second Batman and Robin team.” First seen in BATMAN [first series] #32/2 and revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM #2 (February, 1999).

Appearances:

ADVENTURE COMICS #120/1 BATMAN #32/2, 131, 135, 145, 159, 163 BATMAN: THE DAILIES #1-3 BATMAN: THE SUNDAY CLASSICS THE LEGEND OF WONDER WOMAN #1-4 THE SHAZAM! ARCHIVES #1 SUPERMAN [first series] #46/3 WONDER WOMAN [first series] #50/1, 156, 159-165, 168

"EARTH-43":

An Earth on which Superman and Luthor died in battle unbeknownst to the general public. A replacement Superman was groomed in Kandor but he eventually traded places with the Kal-El of Earth-215. The latter's Lois Lane had been killed, leading him to propose to the Lois on this world. Evil counterparts of the Legion of Super- Heroes existed in the 30th century of this world's timeline. Existence revealed in SUPERMAN'S GIRL FRIEND, LOIS LANE #43. Also seen in SUPERBOY [first series] #117/3 and SUPERMAN [first series] # 215.

"EARTH-47*":

A world whose greatest heroine was Krypton Girl, alias Lois Lane, the last survivor of the doomed planet. (SUPERMAN'S GIRL FRIEND, LOIS LANE

1. 47)

"EARTH-51*":

A world on which Superman married Lois Lane, Lana Lang, and Lori Lemaris, all of whom died soon after their respective weddings. (SUPERMAN'S GIRL FRIEND, LOIS LANE #51)

"EARTH-54":

A technologically advanced Earth, whose Tommy Tomorrow became the first man on Mars in 1960. First seen in REAL FACT COMICS #6 (Jan.-Feb., 1947).

Appearances:

ACTION COMICS #127-147 REAL FACT COMICS #6, 8, 13, 16

"EARTH-57":

An Earth on which bigamy is legal, where Superman is married to both Lois Lane and Lana Lang and Supergirl is married to Jimmy Olsen. First seen in SUPERMAN'S PAL, JIMMY OLSEN #57 and revealed as a parallel Earth in SUPERMAN'S GIRL FRIEND, LOIS LANE #57)

"EARTH-61*":

A world where a female Joker named Bianca Steeplechase killed Robin in 1961 and where Bruce Wayne was inspired to become Batman and join Batgirl in 1962 (THRILLKILLER #1-3; THRILLKILLER ‘62).

"EARTH-64*":

A world where concert pianist Lex Luthor posed as Lexo and married Lois Lane before his death. (SUPERMAN'S GIRL FRIEND, LOIS LANE #64-65)

"EARTH-72":

Appearances: SANDMAN [second series] # 54 VERTIGO VISIONS: PREZ # 1

"EARTH-85":

An Earth where Batman had a child with Talia (BATMAN: SON OF THE DEMON), a murderous Catwoman owned a nightclub (ACTION COMICS #611-614) and Captain Marvel operated out of San Francisco (SHAZAM!: A NEW BEGINNING

1. 1-4), among other deviations.

Appearances:

ACTION COMICS #588 ACTION COMICS WEEKLY #611-614, 623-626 BATMAN: BRIDE OF THE DEMON BATMAN: BROTHERHOOD OF THE BAT BATMAN: LEAGUE OF BATMEN #1-2 BATMAN: SON OF THE DEMON CREATURE COMMANDOS #1-8 DETECTIVE COMICS #569-570 HAWKMAN [second series] #1-17

POWER OF THE ATOM #4 SHADE, THE CHANGING MAN [second series] #1-70 SHAZAM!: THE NEW BEGINNING #1-4

"EARTH-86":

An Earth that was devastated by an atomic war in October, 1986. Its heroes included the Atomic Knights and Hercules. First appeared in STRANGE ADVENTURES #117 (June, 1960) and revealed as a distinct parallel world in WHO'S WHO '85 #10 (Dec., 1985).

Appearances:

HERCULES UNBOUND #1-9 STRANGE ADVENTURES #117, 120, 123, 126, 129, 132, 135, 138, 141, 144, 147, 150, 153, 156, 160

"EARTH-89*":

A world where Lois Lane and Bruce Wayne married and had a son (SUPERMAN'S GIRL FRIEND, LOIS LANE #89).

"EARTH-91*":

Home of a blind Lois Lane and a disfigured Superman who married and became parents of a super-daughter (SUPERMAN'S GIRL FRIEND, LOIS LANE

1. 91).

"EARTH-95*":

A world on which Jor-El, Lara, and Kal-El sought refuge after Krypton's explosion, which they eventually abandoned for Krypton II (SUPERBOY [first series] #95).

"EARTH-96*":

An Earth whose metahuman population ran out of control, culminating in a catastrophic nuclear strike (KINGDOM COME #1-4. Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM #2 (February, 1999).

Appearances:

GOG (VILLAINS) #1 THE KINGDOM #1-2 THE KINGDOM: KID FLASH #1 THE KINGDOM: NIGHTSTAR #1 THE KINGDOM: OFFSPRING #1 THE KINGDOM: PLANET KRYPTON #1 THE KINGDOM: SON OF THE BAT #1 KINGDOM COME #1-4 KINGDOM COME: COLLECTED EDITION KINGDOM COME: REVELATIONS (text) THE TITANS #22-25

"EARTH-97*":

A world that was radically changed by Arthur Thompson’s emergence as the Atom during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962 (TANGENT COMICS/THE ATOM #1). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM #2 (February, 1999).

Appearances:

TANGENT COMICS/ THE ATOM #1 TANGENT COMICS/ THE BATMAN #1 TANGENT COMICS/ DOOM PATROL #1 TANGENT COMICS/ THE FLASH #1 TANGENT COMICS/ GREEN LANTERN #1 TANGENT COMICS/ JLA #1 TANGENT COMICS/ THE JOKER #1 TANGENT COMICS/ THE JOKER’S WILD #1 TANGENT COMICS/ METAL MEN #1 TANGENT COMICS/ NIGHTWING #1 TANGENT COMICS/ NIGHTWING: NIGHT FORCE #1 TANGENT COMICS/ POWERGIRL #1 TANGENT COMICS/ SEA DEVILS #1 TANGENT COMICS/ SECRET SIX #1 TANGENT COMICS/ THE SUPERMAN #1 TANGENT COMICS/ TALES OF THE GREEN LANTERN #1 TANGENT COMICS/ THE TRIALS OF THE FLASH #1 TANGENT COMICS/ WONDER WOMAN #1

"EARTH-116":

Home of a Superboy who sports an emblem whose colors are the reverse of his Earth-1 counterpart. (SUPERBOY [first series] #116)

"EARTH-117":

An Earth on which Jor-El, Lara, and Kal-El escaped Krypton's explosion. Capes were a status symbol on this world (SUPERMAN'S PAL, JIMMY OLSEN

1. 117).

"EARTH-124.1*":

An Earth where Wonder Woman, Wonder Girl and Wonder Tot existed as separate entities. First appeared in WONDER WOMAN [first series] #124 and revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM #2 (February, 1999).

Appearances:

WONDER WOMAN [first series] #124, 128-129, 133, 135, 138, 140, 142, 144-145, 147, 149-155

"EARTH-124.2*":

An Earth where Superboy portrayed Clark Kent as a delinquent (SUPERBOY [first series] #124).

"EARTH-132*:"

An Earth whose astronauts accidentally landed on an intact planet Krypton, home of the hero Futuro (SUPERMAN [first series] #132).

"EARTH-134*:"

An Earth which was abandoned by Superboy on the day of his debut when red kryptonite temporarily turned him into a villain (SUPERBOY [first series] #134).

"EARTH-136":

An Earth without a Batman. Its population included Bruce (Superman) Wayne and a Lois Lane double named Vicki Vale (WORLD'S FINEST COMICS

1. 136).

"EARTH-146":

A world where Earth-1's Superman prevented the sinking of Atlantis and helped evacuate Krypton's citizens to Earth among other feats (SUPERMAN [first series] #146).

"EARTH-148":

A world characterized by heroic counterparts of Clayface, Luthor, and Mirror Master and villainous versions of Batman, Flash, Superman and Wonder Woman. A unique quality of this planet’s Paradise Island causes visitors from other parallel worlds to revert to childhood for the duration of their stay there. Existence revealed in WORLD'S FINEST COMICS

1. 148. Also seen in THE FLASH [first series] #174, SUPER FRIENDS #23 and

WONDER WOMAN [first series] #175.

"EARTH-149*":

A world on which Superman was slain by Luthor (SUPERMAN [first series]

1. 149)

"EARTH-153*:

An Earth whose Batman, ultimately killed by Luthor, had wrongly blamed Superman for the deaths of his parents (WORLD'S FINEST COMICS #153).

"EARTH-154*":

Home of a married Clark Kent & Lois Lane and Bruce Wayne & Kathy Kane and their heroic sons (WORLD'S FINEST COMICS #154, 157).

"EARTH-159*":

An Earth that was destroyed when its sun went nova. Its sole survivor, Lois Lane, was rocketed to an intact Krypton (saved through Jor-El's scientific intervention) through a 'powerbeam' that provided her with superpowers and a career as Supermaid. Kal-El grew to adulthood and battled Len Landor (an alternate Kryptonian male Lana Lang) for her affections, while her nemesis was a villainous female scientist named Lu Thoria. She was vulnerable to fragments of her shattered homeworld, named "Earthite" by Jor-El (SUPERMAN [first series] #159).

"EARTH-162*":

A utopian Earth whose miracles came courtesy of an experiment that split Superman into two beings (SUPERMAN [first series] #162). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM #2 (February, 1999).

"EARTH-166*":

A world whose Superman was the father of twins, one with powers and one without (SUPERMAN [first series] #166).

"EARTH-167*":

Home of Lex (Superman) Luthor and Clark (Batman) Kent (WORLD'S FINEST COMICS #167).

"EARTH-170":

A world where Lex Luthor traveled to Krypton's past in an unsuccessful attempt to prevent Jor-El and Lara from marrying (SUPERMAN [first series]

1. 170).

"EARTH-172*":

A world where Bruce Wayne was adopted by the Kents and became Clark's brother. As Batman, he relocated to the Legion of Super-Heroes' 30th century (WORLD'S FINEST COMICS #172).

"EARTH-175*":

Home of Clark and Lex (Luthor) Kent, adopted sons of Jonathan and Martha Kent. As adults, Lex died saving Superman's life (SUPERMAN [first series]

1. 175).

"EARTH-178*":

Home of a Superman who lost his powers and adopted the costumed identity of The Nova (WORLD'S FINEST COMICS #178, 180). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM #2 (February, 1999).

"EARTH-183*":

An Earth on which Kal-El was raised by apes and where he ultimately became known as Karkan (SUPERBOY [first series] #183, 188; [third series] 61-62, 64). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in SUPERBOY [third series] #61 (April, 1999).

"EARTH-184*":

A world whose Robin was caretaker for a mentally impaired Batman and a blind Superman (WORLD'S FINEST COMICS #184).

"EARTH-192*":

A world where Lois Lane died, survived by her husband, Clark Kent, and son, Clark, Jr. (SUPERMAN [first series] #192, 194).

"EARTH-200*":

Home of Hyperman (Kal-El) and Superman (Knor-El), champions of a Kryptonopolis that survived Krypton's explosion thanks to Brainiac's having bottled it instead of Kandor (SUPERMAN [first series] #200).

"EARTH-215*":

A world where a married Superman and Lois Lane became parents of daughter, Laney. After Lois' death, Superman and Laney moved to Earth-43, where he married that world's Lois while its Superman moved to Earth-215 (SUPERMAN [first series] #215).

“EARTH-216”:

A world where Superman and Batman each had namesake offspring who often operated as the Super-Sons (WORLD’S FINEST COMICS #215). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM #2 (February, 1999).

Appearances: WORLD’S FINEST COMICS #215-216, 221-222, 224, 228, 230-231, 233, 238, 242, 263

"EARTH-224*":

Home of a married Superman and Lois Lane, whose infant son was temporarily transformed into a super-genius (SUPERMAN [first series]

1. 224).

"EARTH-230*":

Home of a Kryptonian Luthor, who became Superman on Earth and fought the villainous Clark Kent (SUPERMAN [first series] #230-231).

"EARTH-238*":

A world that is the mirror reverse (including printed matter) of other Earths (ACTION COMICS #238).

"EARTH-265":

A world whose population evolved from cetaceans (FLASH [first series]

1. 265).

"EARTH-270":

A world whose Steve Trevor vanished while testing a jet and landed on Earth-1 (WONDER WOMAN [first series] #270).

"EARTH-276":

Home of Willie Fawcett a.k.a. Captain Thunder (SUPERMAN [first series]

1. 276).

“EARTH-295”:

An Earth whose futuristic society was destroyed in a “great disaster” that gave human intelligence and dominance to mutated animals. First appearance in KAMANDI, THE LAST BOY ON EARTH #1 (October-November, 1972) and revealed as a distinct parallel world in SUPERMAN [first series] #295 (January, 1976).

Appearances:

THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD #120 CANCELLED COMIC CAVALCADE #2 CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #2-5, 10 DC COMICS PRESENTS #61, 64 KAMANDI, THE LAST BOY ON EARTH #1-59 KARATE KID #15 OMAC [first series] #1-8 SUPERMAN [first series] #295 WARLORD #37-39, 42-47

"EARTH-300":

A world on which Kal-El arrived in 1976, eventually becoming known as Skyboy and Superman (SUPERMAN [first series] #300).

"EARTH-300.6":

An Earth whose Superboy gave up space and time travel following the death of his foster parents (LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES [second series] #300).

"EARTH-332*":

Home of Superwoman and Superboy, who arrived here in the reverse order of Earth-1's Superman and Supergirl (ACTION COMICS #332-333).

"EARTH-353*":

A world on which Kal-El was adopted by Thomas and Martha Wayne, eventually becoming Superman and, as Bruce Wayne, marrying Barbara Gordon (SUPERMAN [first series] #353, 358, 363).

"EARTH-377":

A magic-based Earth, whose populace included an alternate Terra Man. Existence revealed in SUPERMAN SPECTACULAR #1. Also seen in SUPERMAN [first series] #377.

"EARTH-383":

A "negative world" where, "when a person dies on our Earth, his negative double on their world becomes a normal, positive being ... unseen by the negative people and mourned by them as dead." Supergirl's appearance here caused her counterpart to blip out of existence only to return after she left. Otherwise identical to Earth-1 (ADVENTURE COMICS #383).

"EARTH-387":

A world characterized by feral counterparts of Earth-1 residents (ADVENTURE COMICS #387).

"EARTH-388":

A world discovered (and possibly created) by Professor Farlow Nurd that boasted white oceans and day-glo continents. Residents included a married Superman and Lois Lane and deranged counterparts of numerous Earth-1 characters (ACTION COMICS #388).

"EARTH-391":

An world on which Superman and Batman each fathered heroic sons and on which Superman, Jr. eventually succeeded his father (ACTION COMICS

1. 391-392).

“EARTH-395”:

An Earth where the Kryptonian known as Kal fought and died as an armored knight and where a bat-man known as the Dark Knight fought on behalf of Merlin during King Arthur’s final days. First seen in SUPERMAN: KAL and revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM #2 (February, 1999). Appearances:

BATMAN: DARK KNIGHT OF THE ROUND TABLE #1-2 SUPERBOY [third series] #61-62, 64 SUPERMAN: KAL

"EARTH-399":

A world on which Superman died and was replaced twice by clones, both of whom were also killed in battle (ACTION COMICS #399).

"EARTH-404*":

An Earth whose Superboy lost his powers at the age of sixteen during a battle with Luthor. As adults, Clark Kent and Lana Lang were married (SUPERMAN [first series] #404).

"EARTH-410*":

Home of a widowed Superman, whose wife, Krysalla, left him with a son, Krys (ACTION COMICS #410).

"EARTH-417*":

An Earth whose Superman was raised on Mars before relocating as an adult (SUPERMAN [first series] #417).

"EARTH-423*":

An Earth whose Superman fought a final battle with his greatest foes and vanished from public view. First appearance in SUPERMAN [first series]

1. 423. Also seen in ACTION COMICS #583.

“EARTH-494:” A world where a pirate Leatherwing fought alongside allies such as Alfredo, Robin Redblade and Felina hundreds of years in the past. First seen in DETECTIVE COMICS ANNUAL #7 (April, 1994):

Appearances: THE BATMAN CHRONICLES # 11 DETECTIVE COMICS ANNUAL # 7

“EARTH-898:”

A world where a genetically-altered Jimmy Olsen threatened Earth’s entire metahuman population until the hero destined to be known as Superman rose up to stop him (JLA: THE NAIL #1-3). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM #2 (February, 1999).

“EARTH-901:”

A world that’s home to a Batman named Wayne Williams and a Superman named Saldan, among many others. First appearance in JUST IMAGINE STAN LEE WITH JOE KUBERT CREATING BATMAN (September, 2001).

Appearances: JUST IMAGINE STAN LEE … SECRET FILES AND ORIGINS #1 JUST IMAGINE STAN LEE WITH CHRIS BACHALO CREATING CATWOMAN JUST IMAGINE STAN LEE WITH DAVE GIBBONS CREATING GREEN LANTERN JUST IMAGINE STAN LEE WITH GARY FRANK CREATING SHAZAM! JUST IMAGINE STAN LEE WITH JERRY ORDWAY CREATING JLA JUST IMAGINE STAN LEE WITH JIM LEE CREATING WONDER WOMAN JUST IMAGINE STAN LEE WITH JOE KUBERT CREATING BATMAN JUST IMAGINE STAN LEE WITH JOHN BUSCEMA CREATING SUPERMAN JUST IMAGINE STAN LEE WITH JOHN BYRNE CREATING ROBIN JUST IMAGINE STAN LEE WITH JOHN CASSADAY CREATING CRISIS JUST IMAGINE STAN LEE WITH KEVIN MAGUIRE CREATING THE FLASH JUST IMAGINE STAN LEE WITH SCOTT McDANIEL CREATING AQUAMAN JUST IMAGINE STAN LEE WITH WALTER SIMONSON CREATING SANDMAN

"EARTH-988":

A world whose only super-hero was a college-age Superboy. First appearance in SUPERBOY [second series] #1.

Appearances:

THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERBOY #19-22 SUPERBOY [second series] #1-18 SUPERBOY SPECIAL # 1

“EARTH-1098”:

A world whose preeminent costumed champions are Supergirl and Batgirl, members of a Justice Society that also included Ambush Bug, Barda, Interceptor, Revenant, Vectron and others (ELSEWORLD‘S FINEST: SUPERGIRL & BATGIRL). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM #2 (February, 1999).

Appearances: ELSEWORLD’S FINEST: SUPERGIRL & BATGIRL SUPERBOY [third series] #61-62, 64

“EARTH-1099:”

A world where Gotham City‘s greatest heroine was the Catwoman and its most notorious villain was The Batman (CATWOMAN: GUARDIAN OF GOTHAM #1-2). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM #2 (February, 1999).

"EARTH-1191":

Home of a Batman who was transformed into a vampire by Dracula. First appearance in BATMAN & DRACULA: RED RAIN (November, 1991).

Appearances: BATMAN & DRACULA: RED RAIN BATMAN: BLOODSTORM BATMAN: CRIMSON MIST.

EARTH-1198:

Part of a universe where the infant Kal-El was raised on Apokolips before rebelling during Darkseid’s occupation of Earth (SUPERMAN: THE DARK SIDE #1-3). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM #2 (February, 1999).

“EARTH-1289”:

An Earth where Batman and Robin fought the Riddler on their first formal case and where Harvey “Two Face” Dent was ultimately rehabilitated. First seen in COMICS REVUE # 41.

Appearances: COMICS REVUE #41-66. EARTH-1863:

A world on which the Kryptonian Kal-El (as Atticus Kent) ended the Civil War in little over a month during 1863 (SUPERMAN: A NATION DIVIDED). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM #2 (February, 1999).

"EARTH-1889":

A world on which Bruce Wayne began his career as Batman in 1889. First appearance in GOTHAM BY GASLIGHT. Also seen in BATMAN: MASTER OF THE FUTURE. Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM #2 (February, 1999).

“EARTH-1890”:

A world where heroes such as Diana Prince, Katar Johnson and Kid Kon-El operated in the western United States during the late 19th Century. First appearance in JUSTICE RIDERS and revealed as a distinct parallel world in SUPERBOY #61 (April, 1999).

Appearances:

JUSTICE RIDERS SUPERBOY [third series] #61-62, 64

“EARTH-1927”:

Home of the clockwork city of Metropolis where the Super-Man once fought Lutor and Bruss Wayne-Son took the alias of the Nosferatu. First seen in SUPERMAN’S METROPOLIS.

Appearances: BATMAN: NOSFERATU SUPERMAN’S METROPOLIS WONDER WOMAN: BLUE TRINITY

EARTH-1938:

An Earth whose Superman sacrificed his life at the dawn of his career to save his adoptive planet from Martian invaders (SUPERMAN: WAR OF THE WORLDS). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM #2 (February, 1999).

“EARTH-2020”:

Home of a Superman whose son and grandson -- Jorel and Kalel Kent -- carried on his heroic legacy. First seen in SUPERMAN [first series] #354.

Appearances:

SUPERMAN [first series] #354-355, 357, 361, 364, 368, 372

“EARTH-3839”:

A world where Superman and Lois Lane were the parents of children named Joel and Kara and where Batman was succeeded by Dick Grayson and, later, his own son. First seen in BATMAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA and revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE KINGDOM # 2 (February, 1999). Appearances:

BATMAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA BATMAN: GOTHAM KNIGHTS #2, 9, 12 SUPERMAN & BATMAN: GENERATIONS # 1-4 SUPERMAN & BATMAN: GENERATIONS II #1-4 SUPERMAN & BATMAN: GENERATIONS III #1-12

EARTH-A:

Created by Earth-1's Johnny Thunder, this world's population included evil counterparts of the Justice League (JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA

1. 37-38).

"EARTH-B":

See "Earth-12" and "Earth-32."

"EARTH-B2":

See "Earth-40."

EARTH-C:

An earth populated by DC's funny animal characters, including the Zoo Crew. The first appearance of Earth-C was in NEW COMICS #9 (October, 1936). Revealed as a distinct parallel world in THE NEW TEEN TITANS [first series] #16 and named in CAPTAIN CARROT AND HIS AMAZING ZOO CREW #14.

EARTH-C-MINUS:

An earth characterized by Just'a Lotta Animals. Existence revealed in CAPTAIN CARROT AND HIS AMAZING ZOO CREW #14-15. Also appeared in THE OZ-WONDERLAND WARS #2.

"EARTH-C-PLUS":

An Earth populated by Fawcett's funny animals, including Hoppy the Marvel Bunny. First appeared in FAWCETT'S FUNNY ANIMALS #1 (December, 1942).

EARTH-D:

Home of a racially diverse mix of heroes and heroines, including the Flash (Tanaka Rei), Green Lantern (Jose Hernandez) and a black husband and wife team known as Superman and Supergirl. First appeared, revealed as a distinct parallel world and named in LEGENDS OF THE DCU: CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS #1.

EARTH-I [one]:

An Earth created by Despero populated by insect life-forms (JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #26).

EARTH-I [two]:

An Earth where advances in health and science have led to a world of immortals (WONDER WOMAN [first series] #293).

EARTH-M:

An Earth created by Despero populated by aquatic life-forms (JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #26).

EARTH-PRIME:

An Earth whose population includes several DC Comics staffers who have the ability to control the lives of heroes on other Earths. Two super-heroes (Ultraa and Superboy) eventually came into existence here. First appeared in GREEN LANTERN [second series] #29 (June, 1964), revealed as a distinct world in THE FLASH [first series] #179 (May, 1968) and named in JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #123 (October, 1975).

Appearances:

ALL-STAR SQUADRON #14 BATMAN: SCAR OF THE BAT THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD [first series] #124 DC CHALLENGE #2 DC COMICS PRESENTS #87 DC SPECIAL #5 DETECTIVE COMICS #343, 347, 482 DOOM PATROL [first series] #121 THE FLASH [first series] #179, 228; [second series] 159 GREEN LANTERN [second series] #29, 45 JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #123-124, 153, 207-208 THE NEW TEEN TITANS [first series] #20 SUPERBOY [first series] #182 SUPERMAN [first series] #411 SUPERMAN ANNUAL [first series] #9/2

EARTH-R:

An Earth created by Despero populated by reptilian life-forms (JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #26).

EARTH-S:

A world characterized by the Fawcett comic heroes, notably the Marvel Family, as well as Isis and Kid Eternity. First appeared in WHIZ COMICS #1 (Feb., 1940), revealed as a distinct parallel world in SHAZAM! #15 (Nov.-Dec., 1974), and named in JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #135 (Oct., 1976)

EARTH-TERRA:

Home of a married Lois Lane and Superman and their infant son (SUPERMAN'S GIRL FRIEND, LOIS LANE #94, 96).

EARTH-X [one]:

Home of a villainous Clark Kent (SUPERMAN'S PAL, JIMMY OLSEN #93).

EARTH-X [two]:

An Earth where the Nazis won World War II, despite Freedom Fighters recruited by Uncle Sam from Earth-2 during the 1940s and 1950s. First appeared in JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #107 (Sept.-Oct., 1973).

Appearances:

ALL-STAR SQUADRON #32-35, 50 FREEDOM FIGHTERS #1, 10, 12 JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #107-108 WONDER WOMAN [first series] #292

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22:26, 2 July 2006 (UTC)Enda80

Holy pajamas. This is from an e-mail? --Chris Griswold 04:17, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Merge DCU and DCMU?

Why? Whoever put in the merger tag should make a case, eh? I would tent to feel we should not merge. j-beda 17:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

New Earth

[this is in reference of post-COIE and post-IC being listed seperately.

What I got from Infinite Crisis, was that the post-COIE Earth was that "last" 5 worlds put together. During Infinite Crisis, the Tower split apart the current earth into all the earths that merged with it, apparently consisting of more than the last 5. The destruction of the Tower collapsed the resurrected multiverse back into New Earth. New Earth is the same as post-COIE Earth remerged, but altered.

I think it's the same because of the way Alexander Luthor and Superboy-Prime were refering to it in the last issue of IC.

"This Earth isn't Earth-One. It never was." and stuff like that.

If you consider them seperate Earths, then by that logic, i think we might need a post-Zero Hour earth entry. Opinions? -- Exvicious 06:09, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Many characters were 're-invented' during fast space between Crisis on Infinite Earths and Infinited Crisis, primarily with Zero Hour.--RedKnight 15:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

You're All Wrong

You're ALL Wrong, REALLY. and i'm going to delete and More. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.167.58.37 (talk • contribs) 02:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Tintin?

I haven't seen the source material - is this accurate? Does "Earth-eleven" have the Belgin (not French) Tintin character in it? j-beda 17:04, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• I just got Absolute Crisis, and checked on the comic it referenced as a source (Teen Titans Spotlight #11). The character in question is a strong Tintin homage, but considering his world was devastated in a nuclear war, I think saying it IS Tintin is a stretch. 68.54.171.237 04:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Check Description of Earth-Five

The existing text is nonsense. It might be missing a "not", but I don't know what it is supposed to say. Somebody who does know the material needs to check the description. —Długosz

I just stumbled across this while looking something up. I'm not much interested in coninuity issues -- but I'm familiar with Batman and the story this is a reference to. As far as I know, the first and only appearence of this story is in Dectective Comics #500 -- "To Kill A Legend." I do not recall it appearing in Crisis and I believe the Earth-5 marking is an error. I'm going to repair the information regarding this story and slap a fact tag on the Earth-5 designation until someone can clarify.

Earth-5 is named and numbered in the Absolute Crisis hardcover. 68.54.171.237 04:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I might also add, while I'm here, that I'm skeptical of a number of the Earth-names after... about Earth-6 on our list. Obviously none of us have read every comic out there that pertains to this topic -- but I'm unsure where some of these Earth-#'s are coming from. Citations would be helpful. ~CS 00:58, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Non-Multiverse dimensions

Depending on your definition, "Multiverse" may or may nor include every alternate dimension ever to show up in a DC comic. In particular, if you define the Multiverse in terms of "timelines separated from each other by vibrational barriers", then the Anti-Matter Universe (both pre- and post-Crisis versions), the Fourth World, and the Pocket Universe (of post-Crisis LoSH fame) were never "Earths" of the Multiverse:

The pre-Crisis Anti-Matter Universe was explicitly a world that existed in parallel to the Infinite Earths (after Krona looked at the beginning of time, the matter universe split into the Multiverse, while the anti-matter universe remained untouched).

It's likely that each "Earth" in the Multiverse was actually a collection of related dimensions instead of a single physical reality; for example, the Fourth World may well have been a parallel dimension within "Earth-One". Other examples of this sort of thing would include Bgtzl (the homeworld of the pre-Zero Hour Phantom Girl), the Phantom Zone, the Fifth Dimension, and Gemworld.

Post-Crisis, the Multiverse had been compressed into a single timeline. As such, any worlds, dimensions, or timelines created after CoIE #10 cannot have been Multiversal Earths (save for the retroactive "these would have been Multiversal Earths had the Multiverse survived" concept of Elseworlds and Hypertimelines, and Earth-D). In particular, the Pocket Universe of the LoSH's Superboy and the Matrix Supergirl falls into this category, as does Zauriel's Heaven. Likewise, the Post-Crisis Earth and New Earth aren't really Multiversal Earths; rather, they're two iterations of a condensation of the entire Multiverse into a single timeline.

Dataweaver 16:29, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Earth-Eleven

Earth-Eleven is stated as being first named in Absolute Crisis On Infinite Earths HC, 2006. Where would this Earth first appeared? Any subsequant issues?--RedKnight 15:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I just got Absolute Crisis, and checked on the comic it referenced as a source (Teen Titans Spotlight #11). The character in question is a strong Tintin homage, but considering his world was devastated in a nuclear war, I think saying it IS Tintin is a stretch. 68.54.171.237 04:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

The Flash(Barry Allen)

I may be wrong but doesn't the paperback collection of Crisis have an introduction that says that Barry Allen didn't die? --sono_ryuu_sochi 23:47, 28 November 2006

No, not really. Here's what the introduction, by series author, Marv Wolfman, says:

We always liked Barry, so when we were asked to kill him we planted a secret plot device in the story that could bring him back if someone wanted to. Don't look for it; you won't find it -- but if you corner me at a convention, and I'm in a good mood, I'll tell you what it is.

So, in other words, he has a loophole in mind, but it's not written directly or obviously into the text. ~CS 17:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Should we mention in the article what the loophole is? (I'd know I'd like to know.) --Joe Sewell 18:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

If anywhere, it should probably be addressed over on the Flash page. --sono_ryuu_sochi 23:05, 30 November 2006

It's probably best to wait awhile and see what happens with Barry Allen. The Flash comics have had some hints lately that Barry may be alive somewhere. There seems to be some indication that this will be addressed during 2007, so more info might be coming. CodeGuy 07:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Wolfman's plot device is NOT in any way a method to resurrect Allen. (And you can find this on Marv's website if I'm not mistaken, I did after reading his foreword to the 1998 Crisis HC.) It uses a simple concept that Flash could be plucked from time just before dying, and not knowing when he would be snatched back to face his ultimate death, his life would suddenly take on much more drama -- the need to do everything fast would be much more real to him, knowing that at any moment "his time" literally could be up. Anyway the point is he would still, inevitably and undeniably, die in COIE to thwart the Anti-Monitor. STFmaryville 05:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that was Marv Wolfman's plan that would probably work if we weren't more than 20 years after COIE (I realize with time travel, it can happen any time, but keep reading); however, given that DC is not beholden to using that particular option, it's really not anything to focus on until if/when they do use it. For all we know, they could always "reveal" that Superboy-Prime gave a left-hook to space/time during his sparring session with it behind-the-scenes of IC (finally shown in the Secret Files issue), and brought Barry back, but after he destroyed the Anti-Monitor's cannon - so that remains unchanged - and was supposed to have died (similar to how he was responsible for bringing back Jason Todd, but after he was buried in his coffin - and presumably filled with embalming fluid). And DiDio reportedly retracted his statement that the Flash shown on the Countdown teaser is Barry, so this topic is really going to have to be a wait-and-see for now. Thanks. Starmiter 12:40, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

flash in current Apr 06 legion issue 15 the legion destroyed the anti monitors weapon in issue 15 leaving a live barry allen is this where he comes from to countdown —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.139.142.182 (talk) 23:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC).

Earth-D: which Era?

Earth-D was not introduced until over a decade after Crisis on Infinite Earths #12 was published; as such, it arguably belongs to the Post-Crisis era (and possibly even post-Zero Hour). OTOH, it was introduced in "Crisis on Infinite Earths #4 1/2", a "missing chapter", so a case could be made for declaring it to belong to the Crisis on Infinite Earths Era, much like Earth-Six does - depending on whether or not you consider the "missing chapter" to actually be part of CoIE. Regardless, it does not belong to the Pre-Crisis Era. 69.225.139.115 04:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Earth-D was one of the "infinite Earths" that was destroyed during Crisis on Infinite Earths, albeit via a post-Crisis retcon. Thus it existed pre-Crisis, even though it wasn't introduced until afterward. --Joe Sewell 21:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Random Capitalization of Words

I added the copyedit box because there are too many places in here where capital letters appear as though a new sentence is being started, but isn't. I've made a start at fixing things up, but I just don't have the time right now. --Joe Sewell 21:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Earth-One article

Anyone want to help with an Earth-One article? There's already and Earth-Two article and Earth-One redirects here.

I think it should mostly be on significant events (Silver Age to pre-Crisis) that leads into specific multiverse issues, otherwise there wouldn't even be an article. For example interaction with other dimensions, cross overs with Marvel etc. --Exvicious // + @ 03:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Parody section seems forced

The section on parodies spends a lot of time on the alternate universe episode of Futurama. However, nothing in that episode was specific to DC's multiverse. Everything pointed out in the article is a staple of sci-fi interdimensional stories.

Does anyone else think that perhaps the section on the Futurama episode should be removed?

Removed seems a bit harsh, but perhaps it could be compressed. I'm honestly not that bothered by it, though. JEB215 02:30, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Krypton- 132? Krypton- 159?

I read the Lois Lane/Supermaid story while a teenager. Given that that particular alternate world was destroyed when its sun went nova, wouldn't it be more appropriate to identify that alternate universe by its surviving Krypton, as Krypton- 159, given Jor-El's prevention of the cataclysmic chain reaction that destroyed it in other alternate universes?

For a similar reason, given that most of the action of that imaginary story alternate universe occurred on its intact Krypton, perhaps the alternate universe of Futuro could be designated Krypton- 132?

User: Calibanu 10.56, 01 May 2007

Proposal of "List of DC Comics universes"

The current table of DC Comics universes is becoming extremely large and warrants its own page. I feel this would delineate the minutiae and raw data from the substantive information. With the creation of the Post-52 Multiverse, I think now is the right time to move the tables.--sigmafactor 00:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Post-52 Earth-One

The article states that New Earth has been renamed Earth-1.

JLA 0 earth one found by flash

The "52"

I changed the notes section for the following:

1. All of the "based on" needs some sort of reliable secondary sourcing. If there is an interview with one or more of the writers, Sanglin, or DiDio spelling it out, fine. Other wise those notations are going to become "Appears based on..." and move into the realm of fan speculation.
2. 5 of the shown, the ones that fit pre-Crisis realities, don't have anything solid saying they are the pre-Crisis realities.
3. 3 of those, if the images are used as grounds, don't look like the pre-Crisis realities (No JLN on Earth-X, the CSA is sporting a look that could be said to be derived from the original or Morrison's, the JSA's colors and designs are slightly off)
4. The Wildstorm might be a solid case, but the timing is off. Unless an argument is put forth (with a source like 1 above needs) that the 52 existed prior to IC.
5. "22" runs into the same problem.

And this doesn't even broach the question of "Where's Qward?"... - J Greb 09:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Or even if the Anti-Matter Earth still exists with its version of the CSA - personally, I'm hoping it does, and they try and team-up with the 'new' Earth-3 characters in a kind of warped version of the JLA/JSA team-ups; good potential for a story there. Starmiter 11:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Response - Actually, wouldn't the "hidden message" that DiDio published in DC Nation that states "...the Multiverse STILL [emphasis added] exists..." count as a) official publishing, and b) that these have to be the pre-Crisis realities, since there had only been one Multiverse in DC history to STILL be around? Thanks. Starmiter 17:41, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

DC Nation is a hypepage. I'd much rather see an article from a news site or source, even if it is still hype.

There is also a problem with the "in story" aspect of this. From the story perspective the 51 did not exist prior to Alex's tinkering. Even then, they were carbon copies of "New" until Mister Mind went to work on them.

Personally, I'd love someone to find a quote from Johns or Morrison or Waid that the premise is something along these lines: Crisis poured all of the 5 Earths in to one, leaving some of the elements "hidden". Then Alex pulled that out and it forced a reinstating of the pre-Crisis model. When that collapsed, this time the energy replicating the single reality instead of just creating the one. Then Mind's later meddling exposes the remnants of the pre-Crisis realities. It would allow us to move forward with "This is what happened." instead of "This is what we think what happened." - J Greb 18:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

The sad part it, I don't think DC even thought about it as much as here...this reminds me of when fans explained how Khan knew Chekov in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan when Khan's only prior appearance on Star Trek was Season One, and Chekov joined Season Two (they surmised the character's bridge duty started in Season Two, and he was in a different department seen by Khan off-camera). I'm hoping there'll be some kind a "Secrets of 52" issue (similar to what came out for Infinite Crisis that explained - or tried to explain - how the COIE survivors got to the point they were at at the beginning of IC) that helps clarify what it is DC has here, and how it relates to the old multiverse. Thanks. Starmiter 18:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Starmiter, I believe I've seen something to the effect that the collected editions of 52, while just reprinting the main story, should have some bonus material. It may well be that, in the final volume, we'll get a list of who is shown in those 4 pages and how they relate to New Earth and pre-Crisis.

207.61.255.171, As I mentioned below, the Wizard article can be used as a secondary source justifying the "Based on" notes. Without that, or any cite, those notes become a bit weasley and ORish. Going beyond that though, such as "...numbered 10 since 'X' is the Roman numeral for '10'" or "Something has happened in the past 20 years for the Earth-2 JSA to change their costumes.", is an editor here drawing a conclusion. That doesn't fly.

- J Greb 19:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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As for the '5' is 'S' etc., there's this entry on Wizard magazine's website:

• Wizard Magazine

Although, they also mistakenly put New Earth as 'Earth-1' even though the story keeps it as 'New Earth.' It's not a blog, but an official online article, so this may qualify for mentioning in the entry (though they don't cover the 'X' is '10'). Interestingly, they seem to think that the 'Earth-3' here will replace the Anti-Matter Universe CSA rather than co-exist, but nothing in 52 showed that the Anti-Matter Universe was also being affected. No doubt this will be eventually addressed by DC in the future. Thanks. Starmiter 11:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

In Supergirl OYL, it was revealed that the Antimatter CSA's Ultraman managed to escape the cosmic shuffle that took place in Infinite Crisis by hiding in the Phantom Zone, implying (if not outright stating; I have not verified this with my own two eyes, as I don't read Supergirl) that the Antimatter Universe no longer hosts a CSA post-IC. --Dataweaver 15:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing that up; I did read part of that storyline, but from what I've read so far, I don't think it's clear that it's the Antimatter Universe's Ultraman given that he's being manipulated by Saturn Queen, the evil opponent for Saturn Girl from the pre-Crisis Earth-One Legion of Super-Villains (unless DC did introduce a post-Crisis main-DCU continuity version of her that I missed, which is possible). The impression I got was that he was a leftover 'shard' from the re-created Earth-Three as much as she was a 'shard' from Earth-One (I realize there might be actual story-points that specifically state otherwise, but I haven't seen any yet) that escaped being directly merged with New Earth. Given the direct impact that the Antimatter CSA had on the DCU (mainly, the 'Syndicate Rules' storyline in JLA), I'm not sure it would make sense continuity-wise for DC to say, "oh, these Earth-3 versions did all that" since, at this time, no one's supposed to even know this multiverse exists beyond Rip Hunter, Booster Gold, and Supernova (and maybe Skeets). It would've been very helpful if Infinite Crisis could've devoted even a page that specifically showed what was going on in the Antimatter Universe to make this more clear (of course, "clarity" was not exactly the sub-title for the Infinite Crisis series...). I'm hoping they still exist so there can be a kind of 'turf war' storyline with these new Earth-3 versions, but that's just my personal preference. Of course, by this time next year, this will probably be rendered moot as DC does yet-another (sing it with me now, you know the words!) "Universe-Shattering Event That Changes Everything!!" Until then, does anyone have anything definitive about this (not doubting you Dataweaver, just building off of the fact that you haven't verified it yet)? Thanks. Starmiter 15:44, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

The Wizard article comes with a fair grain of salt. That being said, wording akin to "Reviewers have pointed to the '5' in 'Earth-5' looks close to the 'S' in the pre-Crisis 'Earth-S'." with the cite. The cite can also be stretched to cover the "based on" notes as they currently stand.

The LSV Saturn Queen is a bit of a sticky point. She, along with Lightning Lord and Cosmic King were prominent in the "Absolute Power" arc of Superman/Batman. IIRC, that story implied that either we were looking at an aspect of Hyper-time, or the DCU having a fluid time line.

That being said, things start getting dicey for this article if we start making assumptions on how previously published stories slot into the new DC cosmology. Or discussing how the individual realities may be structured. For all we know, since the 51 started out as carbon copies of "New", each and every one may be a duality, with a "matter" universe we saw, and an "antimatter" Qward we didn't. We won't know until DC editorial breaks down and publishes a "DC Multiverse/Megaverse Bible" (remember, Rip used the 2nd term in story) or a writer gets a story published exploring these things. - J Greb 17:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed - and given comments made by the 52 writers in recent Newsarama interviews (of the nature of "the point here is to open up possibilities, not to nail down new restrictions"), I doubt that we'll be seeing anything conclusive from DC for a while.

OTOH, there's the matter of the current Justice League/Justice Society crossover, where the teams are tracking down seven members of the Legion of Superheroes who are stranded in the modern DCU. The seven have been confirmed as belonging to a Legion that bears an uncanny resemblance to the pre-Zero Hour Legion; while this is speculation, it is entirely possible that the Saturn Queen seen in Supergirl came from the same place as the seven lost Legionairres. --Dataweaver 16:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Morrison on the new 52...

At this point one of the 52 writers, Grant Morrison, has given an on record tidbit about the new multiverse:

And the parallel Earths you see in issue #52 are not the familiar pre-Crisis versions. If you think you recognize and know any of these worlds from before, you'd be wrong. We all wanted to do something new with the multiple Earths so what you've already seen in 52 is simply the tip of the iceberg - each parallel world now has its own huge new backstory and characters and each could basically form the foundation for a complete line of new books.

"THE 52 EXIT INTERVIEWS: GRANT MORRISON" at Newsarama about 1/2 way down the page.

If this doesn't nail down that the new Earths are not the pre-Crisis ones returned, just based on them, I don't know what will.

This also means there is going to need to be a lot of re-jigging in a lot of character articles...

- J Greb 17:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

the parallel Earths are pre-Crisis versions mixed together by alex luthor into one new earth then separated into 52 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.227.200 (talk) 16:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Another Alternate Earth

Both stories are reprinted in volume 3 of the LEGION ARCHIVES. The first originally appeared in ADVENTURE #325, “Lex Luthor Meets The Legion of Super-Heroes.” There, Lex uses a "time-and-space super-console" to view various Legionnaires. "Chameleon Boy and his pet, Proty II, are visiting their parallel-world doubles, in another dimension." The panel shows two apparently identical Chams shaking hands, with identical looking Protys (which, given that Proty was a white blob, ain't that significant) on their shoulders. As far as I know, this was the only reference to said parallel world. http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/bobro/96986520063259.htm Enda80 14:04, 27 May 2007 (UTC)Enda80

Wonder Woman#89

Wonder Woman actually travelled to yet another parallel Earth before Flash#123 came out. See this link. http://www.jakanapes.com/Alternity/world.php?worldId=2571 Enda80 22:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)Enda80

52 "Earth-3" revert...

The edit based on the assumption "Earth-3 originally was Earth-Silver Age" ignores the internal story logic. From the story: All 52 Earth were identical prior to Mr. Mind's feast. If the JLA looked "Silver Age", the story logic follows that it is because Hunter has moved to a point in the time-line where the JLA was just starting. - J Greb 08:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Excessive Era-splitting

Do we really need to distinguish between "Post-Crisis", "Post-Zero Hour", and "Infinite Crisis"?

Also, Earth-D first appeared Post-Crisis. The fact that the story that it appears in claims to be a "lost chapter" of the Crisis is irrelevant, as the story is generally [i]not[/i] considered to be part of the official Crisis on Infinite Earths story (evidenced by the fact that it doesn't appear in any "Crisis on Infinite Earths" collections that were put together after its publication). Earth-D should be labeled as "Post-Crisis", with a note indicating the "lost chapter" nature of the story that it appeared in.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.229.226.130 (talk • contribs)

I would argue that it is necessary to distinguish between "Post-Crisis," "Post-Zero-Hour" and "Infinite Crisis" (or possibly "Post-Infinite-Crisis") because these represent events which may have caused such Earths to be created and/or destroyed.— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

I disagree. All of the Earths on the first table are ones that (at least in theory) existed prior to Crisis on Infinite Earths. The only distinction the Era makes is when they first appeared in print. The second table is for those Earths that were created after the first Crisis and before the 52 in Infinite Crisis #6. (Incidently, this is why the "Aztec Earth" that showed up in IC#6 more properly belongs on the second table rather than the first: Alex created it right then and there; it had never existed before that moment.) --Dataweaver 03:18, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Earth 17 (New Gods)

I had two questions about the theory that all of the post-Kirby "Fourth World" tales are from a hypothetical "Earth 17." One was whether or not this classification was ever used within the story of a comic (as opposed to the letter column) and the other was whether these tales took place on Earth at all.

I can't speak to official designations, but whether they took place on Earth at all isn't an issue. Earth-whatever is an Earth-centric naming system, but it's the one we use, flawed though it is.

Duggy 1138 01:41, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Why was this article blanked?

Strange. Don^MEGĂ|60645 19:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Earth-3 Crime Syndicate vs Crime Society

Unless Ingles is doing two CSA-related one-shots I'm assuming that Countdown Presents The Search for Ray Palmer: Crime Syndicate is the "Crime Society" one-shot discussed in the footnotes.

However, since that's uncitable opinion, I've left both versions in there. So if someone finds a source for the name change I guess we're a little stuck with it.

Duggy 1138 01:39, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

<shrug> A good chunk of that should become clearer in October when the primary sources actually see print. - J Greb 06:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)