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Permission

I emailed the user who claims this was with permission. Did anyone else contact them? This has now been on WP:CP for a very long time. —Morven 00:22, Jun 26, 2004 (UTC)

Followed up and received this response:

I' ve put the article myself, and there was a piece of the article which I have in my website. If there is no problem you can live the article, or I will do a new one with the specifications of the aircraft and I will put a link to my website!!!

Thanks very much for your contact and the interest of wikipedia about copyrghts!!!

Sincerely

Leandro Maldonado

I think this is sufficient proof to revert back to the original posted text, though it needs a bit of Wikification. —Morven 00:40, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC)

Saab involvement

Regarding the B3LA; the project actually started as a joint Swedish/Italian design. When the Swedish government pulled out, Aermacchi continued the project and rehashed it into the AMX with the new (but still similar) requirements from the Brasilian government. If you're already sitting on a more than half-finished design for a product, it makes no sense to scrap it and start on a blank page if the new requirements are very similar of the previous one. Here is a picture of the proposed B3LA http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRHeft7X/FRHeft79/FRH7903/FR7903c1.JPG —Preceding unsigned comment added by T96 grh (talk • contribs) 13:35, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As I mentioned in my edit summary, that's fine--but we need a source for that and your source does not mention that level of involvement. And besides--it may look similar to the AMX, but so does the Aermacchi MB-339.--Dali-Llama 15:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cited from the webpage "The B3LA was cancelled on cost grounds, instead a simplified trainer/attack version of it was suggested, and this got the designation A 38/Sk 38. It was cancelled as well, but sort of a 'B3LA' flies today as the Aeritalia-Aermacchi-Embraer AMX. (Saab cooperated with Aermacchi during the development.)" Since the aircraft had received a Sw. AF designation (B3LA/A 38/SK 38), it means that the project had proceeded quite far along - just short of a first prototype awaiting a go-ahead from the Swedish govermnent (which never came). This 'just-short-of-a-prototype' was what Aermacchi continued with Aeritalia and Embraer to refine into the AMX with new operational demands from other governments. T96 grh 16:57, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Concur with Dali on this. "Sort of" is not a strong term. In addition, the source doesn't say the development was "just-short-of-a-prototype", just that Saab cooperated with Aermacchi. In addition, the website is not specific about where the info came from, other than to state it came from a magazine. You'll need to cite the particular issues of the magazine to be used here, and the source will need to be much more specific on the nature of Saab'se involvement with in the AMX project. - BillCJ 17:25, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bill beat me to the reply. =) Don't get me wrong--I have absolutely no problem in crediting Saab with any role they may have had in the aircraft's development, but I think that needs to be more precise than the source makes it out to be. Especially considering this is the only source I've seen so far that even mentions SAAB was involed with AMX.--Dali-Llama 17:41, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have asked the author of the webpage to look up the magazines he bases his article to so that I (or he) can more properly reference the text on the wikipage. I also base my statements on personal discussion with former Saab engineers involved in that project, but I suppose 'personal communication' is not 'kosher' on Wikipedia. T96 grh 17:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]