Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Georgia Institute of Technology athletes

List of Georgia Institute of Technology athletes

List of Georgia Institute of Technology alumni (a featured list; its nomination is here) was becoming unmaintainably long, so I decided to split off the very comprehensive Athletics section into its own list. Note that since the alumni list's nomination, numerous redlinked articles have been written, and several other articles (esp. College Football Hall of Famers) have been added. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 05:29, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, I'm concerned about linking. For example, there's no links to any of the things mentioned in the headers - no links to the Olympics, and the NFL and MLB are only linked in the tables, and there's no links to American Football. Conversely, the baseball table is inconsistently linked, with random "Major League Baseball" links but mostly "MLB player", without any context what MLB means. These sections, I believe, need much more prose than they have now between the section header and the table; that's where you could hide the links. On a similar note, "MLB Player" or "NFL Player", the P should not be capitalized. So, long story short: I think you need prose for each section. --Golbez 10:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I went ahead and fixed the really picky concerns of the above user, but this list is a direct port from an already featured list in order to make both more manageable. I support this decision as it makes both lists more readable and more maintainable and was an overall good move. This list is incredibly well-sourced and amazingly comprehensive. The topic sortable list format makes it really easy to find and/or analyze the information presented and is a neat touch. Personally, I find some of the information presented in the lede superfluous as this is a list and as such is meant to present information with minimal explanatory prose (which I think this list does rather well), but that is more of a stylistic/editor preference than something that I view as a shortcoming. LaMenta3 18:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

_{Disclosure: I am a member of WikiProject Georgia Tech and made some minor stylistic edits to this list as per another reviewers suggestions, but aside from that I have not had any involvement in the development of this list, and I have made only minor contributions to unrelated sections of its parent list.}

Sorting by reference is kinda weird. Please double-check that the links go to the right page, I had to fix Horace Allen. I'd like to see a column for "position" for team athletes, e.g point guard, would this be possible? Kappa 15:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The "position" column sounds possible. Perhaps an optional column in {{AlumniStart}} and {{Alum}} would do the trick. As far as sorting goes, I don't know how to disable it for a specific column. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 17:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorting by reference could have its uses. For example, doing so would group together all of the individuals who are in the GT Hall of Fame. It also allows for someone who cares about such things to easily see all of the people mentioned in a single source. Leaving the sort option for that column doesn't pose a real problem with regards to the readability of the list nor is it detrimental to the content. LaMenta3 19:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I have two concerns: What is the rationale for including current players? I don't necessarily see how they are notable. Why are there some red links in the list? If they are notable, shouldn't they have articles of their own? ludahai 魯大海 11:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

_{Disclosure: I am a University of Georgia alum, but I will endeavor to maintain objectivity on this list discussion.}

Most of the athletes were added per recommendations as to completeness in the previous list's FLC. I'm fairly certain that all of the redlinked individuals have played professionally, and (therefore) are notable enough for an article. I've made several of those articles, but there are certainly many redlinks remaining. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 17:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also to that point, current players are considered notable under WP:BIO: "Competitors who have played or competed at the highest level in amateur sports (who meet the general criteria of secondary sources published about them)." It is mostly agreed upon that playing at the college level (particularly NCAA-1A) is considered the highest level in amateur sports in the U.S. Combine this with Georgia Tech's definition of alumni as being anyone who has completed a semester in good standing at the school, any current athlete who is at least a second semester Freshman (academically, not "redshirt") is considered alumni provided s/he completed that semester in good standing. As to the redlinks, many of those are players who played professionally a long time ago, making reliable sources that provide more detail than they played professionally in X sport somewhat hard to find. The lack of coverage about these individuals on Wikipedia is more a result of a systemic bias than because they are not notable. Sure, we could make a whole lot of stubs, but it seems to me that we (WikiProject:Georgia Tech) rather wait until we have enough sourced information to create at least a start-class article than have to wrangle (and most likely defend pending the discovery of more sources) a large number of stubs, which diverts resources from the expansion of articles which are more easily sourced. I hope this satisfactorily addresses your concerns. LaMenta3 19:33, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]