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| WA-importance = [Low|Mid|High|Top]

(changed section heading from incorrect "Medium" to correct "Mid" - apologies if I've broken some links. Hesperian 02:31, 22 April 2007 (UTC))[reply]

The {{WP Australia}} template has had a WA-importance argument for a while now. But it appears that this parameter has only ever been used twice. Perhaps this is because no-one knows about it? Or is it because everyone (including me) keeps forgetting to make use of it?

Well, anyhow, if you're assessing article importance for WP Australia, please take a moment to ascribe a WA-importance too. Hesperian 01:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For mine and others edification, why won't it work at Talk:James Stirling (Australian governor). —Moondyne 01:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Because the template is a disgusting mess of spaghetti code. In this case, someone had supplied a rating= argument instead of class= argument, and for reasons unknown this was preventing the WA-importance= argument from doing its job. Hesperian 01:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, Thanks. Is see that it doesn't actually change the appearance of the template though - it only populates the sub-categories of Category:Western Australia articles by importance. —Moondyne 02:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently so. :-( But the real benefit to us is the categories and the bot-generated statistics. Also, I keep Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Western Australia articles by quality log on my watchlist. Hesperian 02:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Western Australia articles by quality and importance
Quality Importance
Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total
FA 2 5 41 48
FL 1 1
FM 1 1
A 2 2
GA 8 17 59 84
B 7 40 103 435 1 586
C 16 92 338 2,023 2,469
Start 8 72 500 8,682 9,262
Stub 10 81 5,181 1 5,273
List 9 65 805 1 880
Category 1 24 1,977 2,002
Disambig 1 4 36 41
File 48 48
Portal 6 6
Project 3 128 131
Redirect 2 7 131 672 812
Template 282 282
NA 1 7 8
Other 2 2 4
Assessed 31 236 1,120 17,398 3,153 2 21,940
Total 31 236 1,120 17,398 3,153 2 21,940
WikiWork factors (?) ω = 89,739 Ω = 5.06


Obviously Perth would be top and the major regional cities would be high, but what importance should WA give to towns (major/minor), suburbs (hub/non-hub), councils/shires and the 9 regions? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Orderinchaos (talk • contribs) 04:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]
I wouldn't disagree with those. If major regional cities=High, I suggest major towns=Medium, minor towns=Low. Be bold! —Moondyne 06:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll 2nd that 2nd. BTW I think Stirling, Yagan, O'Connor and J.Forrest as top are there any other people as significant these 4. Gnangarra 07:02, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'd add John Curtin to that... if he's in our project at all. I'd also take Alan Carpenter, so long as I can jump off the bandwagon as soon as he ain't premier any more. Hesperian 07:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
[edit conflict] :::Logically, the WP:WA100 bio's should all be either Top (say: Stirling, Forrest (both of them), Yagan, Vlamingh, O'Connor, Mitchell (maybe)) or High (the rest of them). —Moondyne 07:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
with premiers the person in general should be high-if elected, mid-if they took over midterm, with exceptions(inc incumbent at top). WP:WA100 default mid, high for the notable, top exceptional and BB only if we all get a phone. Gnangarra 07:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
IMHO high schools should be mid including all PSA ones, UWA as top, with the other Uni's at high. exceptions on a case by case Gnangarra 07:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
[bad joke removed] —Moondyne 08:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't Curtin merit top as well on that basis, given it's almost the size of all others combined and has international profile? Orderinchaos 07:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
UWA as being above the other was due to being only WA member Group of Eight (Australian universities), Gnangarra 07:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For geography I'm going to go for:

  • Perth, Fremantle - top
  • Major regional cities (>10000 + Esperance, Collie, Pinjarra, any others which merit High through historical or economic importance) - high
  • Other large towns - Medium
  • All other towns - Low
  • Major suburbs (Joondalup, Midland, Armadale, Cannington, Subiaco, Cottesloe, Scarborough, Rockingham, any others?) - Medium-High
  • Other suburbs - Low
  • Councils - medium (urban ones plus Cities outside Perth, and Shire of Busselton which is soon to change status) to low except City of Perth.

Note this is only a proposed hierarchy so if you disagree let me know, I'm not ultra-committed to the above and more interested in getting it right :) Orderinchaos 07:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd add kwinana, Clarement and Guildford to the major burbs Gnangarra 07:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

National parks

I'm hoping to make a concerted effort in coming weeks to improve our articles on national parks, and have found some good sources. Using the 1980 book by Jenkins (p72-73) as an initial guide for which ones to start with, and collecting gazettal information, Green Book information (1974) and stuff off Naturebase as well as any specialist material. The first ones out of the box will probably be Alexander Morrison National Park, Tathra National Park, Cape Range National Park, Kalbarri National Park and Millstream-Chichester National Park. If anyone has any suggestions apart from the above to improve these, feel welcome to offer them :) Thanks Orderinchaos 12:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nambung National Park

petedavo 03:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Somerville Ecovillage

Needs attention if anyone has time. —Moondyne 15:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Interwiki

We should probably keep a watch on what goes up on the other wikis, but I noticed Cossack is up for deletion on the Italian Wikipedia - it's basically the first line of ours. Anyone know Italian? :P Orderinchaos 02:27, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I actually dont think we should, basically it.wiki has its own requirements and if an article doesnt meet them then it'll get deleted. Unless your a contributor there it's be inappropriate to voice opinions at deletion discussions there, as would the be the case here. Gnangarra 02:48, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I actually meant improve the article to a standard beyond which AfD would be necessary. Orderinchaos 10:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just an update - it seems to have been resolved by User:Frazzone who added two paragraphs to it. Rather than using the en- version it actually seems to have taken a different path, which isn't a bad thing. Orderinchaos 07:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal for new articles

petedavo 03:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rockingham

I've added some pics and other content to Rockingham and would welcome more [non-vandalistic (:-))] additions. Cheers Bjenks 11:44, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

UWA Philosophy

The bottom par at Australasian_Journal_of_Philosophy may interest some project members. Bjenks 04:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Writers

I was just having a look around the W.A.-related material on Wikisource, and noticed that there is was no category structure in place there for the works of Western Australian authors. This got me wondering about Western Australian writers that died before 1954, and hence have public domain material available for upload to Wikisource. Naturally I came here to Wikipedia to check, and to my surprise I found that we do not yet have a category for Western Australian writers category, despite having a very well populated and subcategorised Category:Australian writers.

What do you guys think? Isn't it time we rolled out Category:Western Australian writers or Category:Writers from Western Australia or something? I would do it myself, but I don't have time to think it through and follow it through this month, and besides, deep down, I just don't give a care about literature all that much. Hesperian 11:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hheheh I do care quite a lot the way they are diminished or marginalised by goggle obsessed globalists who cant find them listed there, and have a collection of their works to boot. I would consider Category:Western Australian writers - but limited time to work on the cat for the moment. vive the obscure west australian poets that dont hit oggle and its attendant lackeys! long live lillian wooster greaves memory - and all the rest of them! :) SatuSuro 12:43, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Take that! I liked that latter as it just seems to read better for states like NSW. Populate at will. —Moondyne 14:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I see you've created categories for all states except Tasmania (Apparently all Tasmanians are illiterate, hey, SatuSuro?) Well done. Hesperian 05:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe. But the real reason was I couldn't think of one to kick it off. —Moondyne 06:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Have made the category a sub cateogry of people from western australia which means some writers article have both categories- will clean up later when i have time - cheers SatuSuro 10:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good move adding that Cat, but I don't see a problem with both cats being in an article. —Moondyne 08:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Um 'writers from western australia - and people from western australia - isnt that discrimination that suggests that writer need to be qaulified as people? :) SatuSuro 08:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Opposition leaders

Presently working on articles for Colin Jamieson, Ron Davies (both Labor opp leaders during the Charles Court era) and Barry MacKinnon (Liberal during Burke/Dowding) - if any of you have or know of any source material I can use, would be happy to hear about it :) I have access to the Biographical Register, regularly visit the Battye and have a few books out on loan, and will probably get copies of the "Political Chronicle" from the AJPH for the relevant period as well. Orderinchaos 06:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I recall reading some sparse biographical detail for MacKinnon in the WA Inc/Kennedy Royal Commission report which is available online somewhere or other. —Moondyne 06:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I actually do feel sorry for MacKinnon in a way. He was just there at completely the wrong time. Orderinchaos 11:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Perth Wikimania bid

(Crosspost from WP:PERTH)

The bids are about to close. Per [1], if anyone is of a different opinion to me that we are not ready to bid and wants to improve the bid to an acceptable standard (I'm inclined to support Melbourne in their bid at this stage), please fix it within 24 hours, or it will not be made official. I would hope that if this occurs, that the bid be of a professional standard that does our city proud. Orderinchaos 03:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

[[Western Australia]] on Commons

Do you guys know that [[Western Australia]] is a red-link on Commons? Sure, we have Commons:Category:Western Australia, and it is getting nicely populated. But no-one has attempted to make a gallery.

What would you put in a W.A. gallery? It makes for quite an interesting challenge, does it not? Bear with me while I think this through James-Joyce-stream-of-consciousness style.

It starts easy: a good map, the flag, the coat of arms, the floral, faunal and ornithological emblems. After that, it gets a lot harder.

Iconic places? - Perth and the Swan from Kings Park? Cable Beach? - there's a fine line between iconic and cliched. Valley of the Giants? Karijini?

Politics - Carpenter if we had a picture. Government House. Forrest? Curtin?

History? - a good pic of an indigenous Australian to represent original custodianship. A picture of the Batavia to represent early sightings. The Foundation of Perth 1829. That famous montage of the original Legislative Council. Forrest. Something to represent the gold rush. The pipeline. A digger or two. The wheat belt. ...

Natural history - a photo of each of the Major Vegetation Groups to occur in W.A. should capture the overall feel of the place. Some good coastline pics. Maybe a cave.

Industry - Lots of natural resources stuff - e.g. an offshore rig. Perhaps offset with a picture of some Burrup rock art and a trogloditic mygalomorph ;-)

Culture: The WACA. Dennis Lillee. Northerly. Winton.

And so forth.

Any interest in continuing discussion, and/or being bold and making a start?

Hesperian 05:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like an idea, I've created the page Western Australia, will populate with pictures. I think it should be divided into major regions then we can build specialised galleries for each region as the amount of images increase. Gnangarra 06:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
After quick few edits it has more images than Victoria :) Gnangarra 06:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've done some formatting, stop by and make any suggestions Gnangarra 13:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Urban bushland after a fire would be informative. And some fire. Coastal and marine activities are an angle worth exploring. Fishing, (Marroning too, btw), a very long beach, are the sunsets notable? Events too, a land speed record attempt comes to mind, founding of the colony, et al. Yagan (Statue), I will work up the tram angle. Cygnis insignis 18:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vincent Serventy

Has apparently died a couple of days ago. —Moondyne 00:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a notice from today's Sydney Morning Herald --Melburnian 01:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And page 18 of today's Worst. Hesperian 01:44, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Very sad. A great loss. —Moondyne 02:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Portal

I propose to delete Portal:Western Australia, on the grounds that

  1. No-one uses it;
  2. No-one maintains it; and
  3. No-one gives a toss about it.

Your thoughts right here please. Anyone who suggests I take this to MFD will be subjected to a geriatric rant about what Wikipedia was like in the good old days when a quorum of interested persons could actually make a decision, without needing a pointless bureaucratic process to ratify it. Oops, too late, you got the rant already. Hesperian 02:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I never even knew it existed :) Delete... -- Longhair\talk 03:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not so sure.

  1. No-one uses it;
    How do you know and why do you care?
  2. No-one maintains it; and
    Well, the articles it links to are maintained
  3. No-one gives a toss about it.
    see 1. above.

—Moondyne 03:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm neither for nor against. I'm happy for it to stay, but I don't use it myself so would have no opposition to its deletion. Orderinchaos 04:31, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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