User talk:Gadget850

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FL on Dartmouth College alumni has over 200 footnotes and is 120K+ in size. We should be okay for awhile.Rlevse 02:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

SAJ excahnge

You are wonderful, thanks Ed! Chris 16:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

FA Harry S. Truman

		The Golden Wiki Award
		For your exceptional contributions to article quality on Wikipedia, especially on getting Harry S. Truman to Wikipedia:Featured Article status. Rlevse 22:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Honor medal list

What are your thoughts on starting a "list of Honor Medal recipiants" Boy Scouts of America?

Profberger 15:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I would recommend "Recipients of the Honor Medal (Boy Scouts of America)." Do you have any reliable sources? --Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

• not really - I was thinking of a "build it and they would come" type strategy? Thoughts?

Profberger 17:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC) -

P.S. We could contact NESA as a start?

Profberger 17:04, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

It might be best to start this as a user subpage and invite folks to help flesh it out. If you publish this with only six entries, it might get knocked for notability. I would not think NESA would have any references for the Honor Medal. The only Scout I know of with the Honor Medal was Arthur Rose Eldred --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:08, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

• • Ok maybe we are talking at cross purposes - I mean the "Boy scout Honor medal for saving a life" not the "Medal of Honor". I have recieved the former but not the latter.

Profberger 17:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Profberger 17:17, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

• • whoops - spoke too soon. I see that you were referring to the Honor Medal. Surely there are literally hundreds if not thousands of awardees that are out there? maybe BSA has a list - not just councils? Maybe Steve Fosset could help. I'll write him if need be?

Profberger 17:17, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

OK- I was trying to figure that one out :-) With my military and Scouting backgrounds, I am well aware of the difference (even though I don't have either). Just for some background on notability issues, see Talk:Recipients of the Silver Buffalo Award; that list was pinged for notability an hour after I created it with 664 entries. Before we add a list, we really need an article on the Honor Medal itself, establishing its notability, at least equal to the Silver Buffalo Award article. I do have a copy of the 1967 Annual Report (back when it was a real report the size of the Patrol Leader's Handbook) it may show HM recipients for the year and give us an estimate of the number of recipients. If it runs into the thousands, then we would need to pick the notables. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

• Exactly my thoughts. What I propose is an Honor Medal page - the add a list - then build a history if that sounds right for you. You do have much more experience than I do at this.

Profberger 19:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

First step is to get some history on the origins. Who was the first recipient? What did he do? Are there any notable recipients or incidents? Eldred's bio says he was awarded the Bronze Honor Medal, which is no longer awarded. Would you have a better image than Image:Honor Medal.png? What is the text on the medal? What does the design mean? I have all but one handbook- I can skim through those and see what I can drag up. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

BTW, Steve Fossett may not answer for a bit- looks like he went missing. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

The 1967 report shows that the Honor Medal was presented: 1963 - 17 1964 - 31 1965 - 37 1966 - 12 1967 - 17

That averages to 23 per year, times 97 years gives us a total guesstimate of about 2200. It does not show crossed palms. It does list all of the recipients, but none stick out to me. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 00:06, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• Geez - I just had an email from Steve three weeks ago - its a bit of a shock for me - Concerning the history of the medal, I'll contact some of my mates at NESA after this gets resolved - hopefully positively - and see what they have. I can certainly make an image of mine - I'll also do a bit of basic groundwork on the history - categories - how its changed - major events and or well known recipients.

Profberger 11:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• Yes, that was... interesting. If you want to send me a good scan, I will integrate it with the current image. I need to redo the palms device- I made a guess from a bad image, but it looks like I got them oriented wrong. Are you Lee R. Berger? --Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• yes I am. I found this at [scouting.org] as a background. there is also an image there.

Profberger 12:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes- I believe that is the reference I used in Advancement and recognition in the Boy Scouts of America. Frankly, if we do one, we should do the whole series of Lifesaving and meritorious action awards, as we did the Distinguished service awards. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 12:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok - I've just written the Boy scout museum asking for a list and details of the origins. When they get back to me I'll forward on the info.

Profberger 12:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

We just need to ensure we have previously published sources. I have a fair library of historical Scouting material that I need to skim through. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 12:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Explorer box

I think you forgot to fix the left column of the new explorer box, it still says APO, Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting/Userboxes.Rlevse 22:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the catch. I just found it. Had to remove the non-free image, and there are a few other issues (Explorer Scout?), but I will look at it later. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 22:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

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Just popped by...

I took your advice on the knots, and popped by to see your personal site. Very impressive, I noticed that you too are from Virginia. I just moved into the Manassas area myself. Thanks for all your suggestions. RobHoitt 18:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome! --Gadget850 ( Ed) 12:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Awards

Template:Infobox Awards Here is how to use Infobox Awards with knots. Your choice as to separate them with a space. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 21:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Looks sharp. I like it. That will look good for when on the article I am working on. Thanks for making the template! RobHoitt 02:58, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. We were using tables in articles, but I wanted something simpler and more readily used by the average editor. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 03:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it works well, and suits the application quite well... What I'd like to do when I have more time is work on Sea Scout Insignia, and some of the older badges that you don't see too often. I think I can make up some clear illustraions which will make it easier to show what they looked like. I figure a project like that should take me a while... I have to take a break for now due to work sending me all over hither and yon, but I'll be at it most likely closer to the holidays. If you have any requests, let me know. RobHoitt 04:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah- with no experience in Sea Scouting, it took me a while to figure out the ranks and positions. I think the images in Sea Scouting (Boy Scouts of America) came out well. I do wish I had a better scan of the Image:Skipper's Key.png. What sort of "older" badges? --Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)