Talk:Durrani Empire

Towfique Sadozai

What's the connection between this person studying in the United States and the subject of the article? Is this self-promotion? Corlyon 19:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)Corlyon

Edit War

I think that an edit war may be brewing over whether this and other articles should have the Template:History of Iran or the Template:History of Afghanistan. I have deleted both pending discussion. --Bejnar 20:32, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

There is in fact an edit war. Anoshirawan has even gone so far as to restore previous versions with grammatical errors in them that had already been corrected; see, e.g. the edit of 01:29, 8 August 2007. --Bejnar

• After review, since February, and consulting with other editors, it seems that the specific template History of Afghanistan is the correct one for this article. That template is more specific than the History of Greater Iran template. See also the comment of Rangeley on 13:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC) at Talk:History of Afghanistan since 1992. Further insertion of the History of Greater Iran template into this article will be considered vandalism. --Bejnar 16:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Clarification needed

The Durrani Empire was a larger state that included modern Afghanistan, Pakistan, parts of eastern Iran and western India. Which specific part of Western India was part of the Durrani Empire?? This information should be clarified, not overtly simplified as it is as current.Devraj Singh 05:40, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

it was punjab, which is now half in eastern pakistan and other half in western india. so the indian punjab is the specific part of western india. here are 2 separate maps of durrani empire >>>map, map2.Mirrori1 04:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Greater Iran?

What's with arbitrarily labeling all Afghan related articles with Greater Iran tags? Since when was Greater Iran an actual entity? It's just an abstraction that has recently been applied to the region by Pan-Iranists. User: Anoshirawan, why do you insist on cleansing every article of any references to Afghanistan when they are clearly about Afghanistan?

from Abdali to Habibullah the official name of this country was Khorasan nor Afghanistan. Greater Khorasan was part of Greater Iran.

Reference: Tarikh Ahmad Shahi(in farsi) by Al munshi

Abdullah Khan Popalzayee uses the word Khorasan when Ahmad Shah Abdali created the new city of Kandahar (of that time):

دمی که شاه شهامت مداراحمدشاه به استواری همت بنای شهر نهاد، جمال ملک خراسان شد این تازه بنا زحادثات زمانش خدا نگهدارد

Afzal Khan minted the following on his coins:

دوفوج مشرق ومغرب زهم مفصل شد امیر ملک خراسان محمد افضل شد

Here is another Book in english which mentions Afghanistan not being an official name and the gov't uses other terms.

Cabul or Afghanistan by Philip Robinson

"و اما اسناد رسمی برای کلمه « خراسان » که نام قدیم افغانستان بوده خیلی زیاد است و از قرن پنج تا قرن نزده میلادی مدت یک و نیم هزار سال بنام خراسان مسما بوده تا دوره احمد شاه درانی هم که نامبرده با کلمه « امیر خراسان » مهر و امضا می کرد. نام افغانستان نه در کدام لویه جرگه و نه رفراندوم انتخاب شده و نه احمد شاه درانی که خود را شاه خراسان مینامید انتخاب شده، بلکه این نام در قرن نزده که یک بخش این سرزمین را انگلیس ها کنترول میکردند در اولین نامه اکلند انگلیسی وایسرای شبه قاره هند عنوان شاه شجاع بکار رفته است."

TRANSLATION FROM FARSI:

".....For over 1500 years the name of this country or land was Khorassan. Ahmad Shah Durrani, whom Afghans consider to be the founder of "Afghanistan", called himself "Amir-ul-Mulke Khorassan" and didn't have any idea what "Afghan" and "Afghanistan" were.... and with “Amir-e Khorassan” was how his papers were signed and his coins were minted. The name "Afghanistan" was not chosen through a "Loya Jirga" or a referendum, nor Ahmad Khan Abdaali, who considered himself to be a Khorassani, chose or came up with it, but this name was mentioned in a treaty between the Viceroy of the Indian Sub-Continent Lord Aukland and Persians in 19th Century and in correspondences with Shah Shujah".....

Dr Kamal Kabuli on historian Faryaar Kohzaad's writings.... www.Kabulnath.de

all the sources you are providing are untrustful or unreliable, they are just personal comments by people who do not know history. you must realize that during the 18th or even 19th century, people living in afghanistan (as well as other parts of the world) probably thought that the whole world was just the small region around them, and they also probably thought that earth was flat, so therefore, we can't rely on those types of thinkers. we go by official records or sources, which is government sources followed by encyclopedic information and famous well known historians that actually travelled to the area where they write about, which "all of these" say afghanistan was created in 1747, and that khorasan was a province of persia (in the northwestern corner of today's afghanistan), where persians inhabited the land. afghanistan was where the afghans (specifically pashtuns) lived, even before 1747 and as far as the 7th century there was afghanistan, it was where the afghans lived and naturally their land was recognized as land of the afghans (afghanistan). today's afghanistan can also be called land of the afghans just as it was called for 1,000s of years. this is why we call it afghanistan, because the name itself means the land where the afghan people have been living, their ancestors are all resting in peace in graves on that land.Mirrori1 23:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

So a book written by Abdali's Personal Clerk(Munshi) is unreliable? May you please name a Book that mentions Abdali being Afghanistan's king(written before the 20th century)? Its obvious you and your buddies cant read farsi or you would know that everything i said is the truth. If you disagree then go and read Akram Osman's own Article(akram osman is half Pashtun) on Khorasan. Go read Wasef Bakhtari's Book or even Professor Javid's book on Afghanistan. --Anoshirawan 00:12, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

books are nothing. i can write a book and claim that no person ever landed on the moon, which would mean nothing.Mirrori1 00:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

For you info, THese are historians from Afghanistan and their works are accepted by Afghanistanis,Iranians and even by Indians. Even Pashtuns respect Prof. Javid.(aKa Pohan Javid).

there is no such thing as afghanistanis, you are only fooling yourself, you will one day look back and laugh at yourself. people from all over the world can read what we type here and you showing them your knowledge or making them laugh at your silly comments. like i said those people who wrote books in afghanistan in the far past did not even know where america was or if the world (earth) was actually round, as they thought that earth was flat. how would they know this if they never travelled to over-seas. you are giving a very good name to persians.Mirrori1 02:09, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

• The issue is not whether the early Durrani called the country Afghanistan. The issue is whether the History of Greater Iran template is more appropriate than the History of Afghanistan template, or not. --Bejnar 17:59, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I have fully protected this article for 1 week because it is becoming increasingly apparent that major edit warring is going on. Please reach a proper consensus in this discussion once the protection is over.¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 20:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

• We are not questioning whether the Persians, and speakers of Persian, called the eastern area from Gonabad to the Pamirs: Khorassan. We are not asserting that this territory was called Afghanistan in any other period but the modern. We are asserting that it is called Afghanistan today. We are asserting the general Wikipedia policy of calling things by their current English (not Persian) name. This includes the History of ... articles. We don't call Mexico City either Ciudad de México or Tenochtitlan. Although traditionally Mexico only referred to the Valley of Mexico where Lake Texcoco was, we apply the term Mexico to the current lands within the boundaries of the United Mexican States (Estados Unidos Mexicanos), or more simply in English, Mexico. The point in naming is not What was, it is What is in English. --Bejnar 15:36, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

My Greek ancestors destroyed the persian empire to tiny pieces, then my Arab ancestors defeated the persians, then my Mongol ancestors completely destroyed the persian empire, by killing or whiping-out 90% of all the persians (in the city of Herat alone, only 43 persian invididuals were allowed to live [1]), then my Pashtun ancestors destroyed the persians (who were no longer persians but mixed-breeds). This means persians had their behind kicked thru-out their entire known history, and as a result of this, they are aggravated by it and trying to find ways to look good in the eyes of historians, by spreading false-hood in Wikipedia and in their persian books, which is something nobody should trust. If it's made in iran, get it out of my site. The people who call themselves persians today only means they speak a language that is persian.--Indian-Greek-Arab-Mongol-Pashtun 07:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)