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ABM

If you could copyedit A Beautiful Mind (film) really quick, I'd appreciate it. :) The Filmaker 02:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As a small note, I'd prefer that you had brought up your oppositions to the article in the peer review rather than waiting till I brought to FAC. However, I'm assuming that you just didn't get a chance to get a good luck at the article, or just plain didn't think of them at the time. Either way, no worries. The Filmaker 14:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Halloween

Are you planning on going to see the remake? I've been having some trouble with the plot section and some editors who believe an 1100 word plot is better. I trimmed it to 600 words, but they want the other and think I should trim again, but around their words. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm currently playing it his way, and going through his version and removing or trimming things. It gets ridiculous when you have sentences like "he's moping around". BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:52, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Think this covers it? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 19:23, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, yeah. I realize that I probably make additions to my user page and you guys don't see them anymore because of the subpages that feed this one. Glad you got to see that. I think I run into enough people that could fill that section up, but I don't generally think about it until someone usually mentions it again to me. You're spread out on far more pages, I'm surprised yours hasn't filled up faster (not saying that you do a lot of stuff to cause problems, just that the law of statistics says you have a better chance of it). BIGNOLE (Contact me) 19:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A lawyer? Oh please, you have to find that one. lol. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 19:56, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I never saw Grandma's Boy, but holy crap thanks for showing me another page with a huge plot summary. LOL. I assume you may be speaking of Spartaz? If they don't wish to respond then I have no qualms about contacting another administrator to review the case. This is a time where I feel someone is not only getting away with 3RR, but almost a complete gross disregard for Wiki etiquette. They refuse to hold civilized discussion, practice a bit of OWN on the article in question. I just find it odd that they are showing making this AfD seem so personal to them. If an article improves, that shouldn't be a problem. They're refusing to even let the information pass on another page (like that makes a difference in the AfD). I cannot tell if they think the information should be deleted or if they think the page should simply not exist yet. Either way, their actions going about it concern me. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had to go read everything because I'm seeing warnings for not citing information (completely unlike you, and I couldn't find validation anywhere for it--proves my point I guess), edit warring (saw 2 reverts from you, no where near an edit war on your part, at least in my opinion of what an EW is), and Variety and Hollywood Reporter being unreliable--I trust your judgement when it comes to official information and scooper information so I couldn't find issue there either. It was a very interesting argument to read (er, find since it mysteriously deleted in some places. ;) ). BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I did not want to respond immediately to Spartaz, as he seems to be using the threat of blocking you in an effort to clean this matter off his door step. I will let you see my response, but unless you say so, I shall not respond to him because his behavior (which I'm noticing isn't new, from his talk page) makes me think he'd just as easily block everyone just to shut them up and claim "fairness". His are italics, mine are bolded.

The first revert was removing an infobox. That's not the same as the last 3 edits. Ergo the 4 reverts are different. Only 4 diffs were presented for review and I'm neither expected nor required to do your homework for you. If I block him, I also have to block Erik to be fair as both of them made the same 3 reverts. I might end up giving Erik a shorter block but I'm sure you really don't want me going down that path do you? 3RR is for relatively straightforward reports - its not the place to address complex behavioural issues. That's what RFC, mediation and talk pages are for. Complex cases belong on ANI not AN3. (Spartaz)

Are we talking about the same page? The general Dragon Ball Z page? Erik's first edit was not a revert, it was the addition of completely new information (cited). Unless you are counting the fact that he used two of bits of information that were originally removed by Folken as a revert (but that is really debatable). Also, Folken didn't remove just an infobox in the article, he removed entire paragraphs (when you scroll down in that diff you see the rest of the paragraphs he removed). Even if you skip that one, he's had 5 other reverts. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC) [reply]

I just checked the article talk page history - there has been no discussion of this today - by anyone. Spartaz Humbug! 00:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC) [reply]

The discussion has been (from the beginning) on Folken's talk page. Check his history for a completely report, since he's deleted some of the initial attempts at communication. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can assure you there's been no discussion from Erik on my talk page about transfering the disputed content of an ongoing AfD in another article.

Also Bignole, it's not nice to ignore all my comments and answers to Erik that I wrote in the AfD. I deleted Erik's comment on my page because I didn't think it added more to the problem than we had already discussed in the AfD. Besides, I didn't like his tone, regarding me as an ignorant of the matter we were discussing, and not considering what I had already told him.Folken de Fanel 00:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Erik, I read that comment. There were a couple things that entised the "that's kind of condescending" synapses of my brain, but as a whole it wasn't (and I like to think I know a little about it, as you've seen plenty of comments from me that were less than favorable and most of your tone wasn't that bad). To Folken, I didn't read the AfD, I read the article. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was what it was, no lasting injuries I would assume. lol. Take it easy. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:07, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Smallville

Thats fine. Thanks for the note on my talk page and sorry I missed the fact that it was promoted. I found the FAC from WP:TV so I've removed it from the tasks section there.--Opark 77 11:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Voltron (film)

I reverted the redirect back to article status since we have news references that an actual movie is in the offing, as well as an official announcement on Voltron.com back in June. (click know). VoL†ro/\/Force 05:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

well, isn't this news sufficent enough? VoL†ro/\/Force 06:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute?

I wasn't aware that he had made Point edits to 300 (he also made them to the Reagan article, which I just came across). I think he's doing it because he got spanked on some citation issues in the John Lennon and May Pang articles, and might be seeking some payback. My reply, caught up as it was in edit conflict with yours, was meant as a deflection. I know he was doing it to try and make a point that I am this guy who unfairly asks for citations in Wikipedia articles for that information which he thinks is common knowledge to all.
I am not really concerned about the person, as I haven't done anything wrong. In fact, I have been somewhat more restrained than in the past, and have made numerous attempts to point out the need for citation in the article, which he studiously ignores. After three attempts, I pretty much ignored the guy. If he wants to parrot my actions - especially those actions where I am doing the correct thing, who am I to question if he understands that he's getting it right on at least some occasions. Even a chimp will get the square peg in the square hole once in a while. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 16:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good point on the other thing. I'll replace the comment onm the other user's page. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 16:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Schindler's List

Yup, there's in my documents now. Good reads, sometimes they fail to make a point (is the movie good or bad?!) but interesting. You'll be honoured to know I'm going to model the article off your work on Road to Perdition, a film similiarly reliant on its cinematography. Alientraveller 18:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm waiting for someone to review Eva Green. How hard can it be to review an article on an actress? I also want to work on Schindler's List and Titanic, although I no longer really am bothered by FACs, considering they're too slow. I like the idea of "Themes" and "Interpretations", and will do so. I also want to work on some articles about spiritual concepts in Transformers, like the Allspark, Creation Matrix and Primus for something smaller, and a bit of a referencing exercise.

Late 2007 seems ok without too many big films to attend to, until mid-2008 when the blockbusters reign demanding my research. I'm not too bothered about Iron Man really: but me want Hulk to finally smash! And Prince Caspian, Indy 4 and TDK will demand my attention for their predecessors too. I have a notepad of everything on Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe's DVD. Alientraveller 19:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dragon Ball Z

did you get my dragonall z live action movie page deleted. that is not cool. and then you make your own article about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cman7792 (talk • contribs) 16:21, September 6, 2007 (UTC)

Eric, i copied the dragonball z live action film page and put it into the dragonballz article. I feel that the dragonall z article could be really good, but the categories are thrown all over the place and unorganized, and the entire thing is pretty much a mess. I think the article would be much better if you fixed it up because you are an expert and you have been doing this for a very long time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cman7792 (talk • contribs) 16:02, September 7, 2007 (UTC)

check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Z -cman7792 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cman7792 (talk • contribs) 20:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alright Eric, you know what you are doing. I'll back off the the dragonballz cancellation page and let the processing go through. -cman7792

P.S. good luck —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cman7792 (talk • contribs) 22:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Folken is a very oppinionated person and he is stubborn. I've been listening to you about staying off the page and letting the process going through. Is there anything i can do to help right now? -cman7792

eric, i tried to put the dragonballz live action movie history on the dragonallz article, like you previously did. but that folken guy deleted it and he is pretty much going out of his way to start an edit war with me. u could tell by the comments he put on the dragonballz article histroy page. -once again, good luck -cman7792 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cman7792 (talk • contribs) 01:14, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

eric, i just removed all the info about the dragonall z live action film from the dragonball z page like you told me to. -cman7792 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cman7792 (talk • contribs) 01:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eric, someone blocked Folken de Fanel. So he is out of the picture for 24 hours. -cman7792 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cman7792 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I went on Folken de Fanel's discussion page and on the bottom of his page, it said the user is blocked for 24 hours for violating the three-revert rule. --Cman7792 15:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Allright, I removed my comment from User talk:BrenDJ discussion page. He actually reported me, but I could care less. I'm not going to get in troulbe for that.--Cman7792 23:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Primary Sources, lack thereof

I am curious, if you could help... It seems that the majority of, for example, star trek and other television related articles, contain vast amounts of original research. It is my understanding that until a reputable third party has taken the time and effort to, say, document an episode of a television show, the article on that episode must only use verifiable information, such as tv guide summaries. As I understand it, someone watching an episode of a TV show, and then writing an article about that show, constitutes original research. The fact that these articles ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Experience , as an example), contain so much uncited information is worrisome at best. If you could offer any kind of advice or input on this, or at least on flagging articles containing largely original research, that would be very helpful to me. Thankyou. 204.100.184.135 23:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Hi Erik, thanks for the offer. :) Uh, would that require e-mail or anything, coz mine is kinda broken at the moment? Sorry, I'm not real smart when it comes to computer stuff. :/ But yeah, that sounds helpful, so as long as it's not too much trouble for you. Thanks. Paul730 14:13, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I just created an e-mail thingie at Yahoo Mail. Although my own, real, e-mail is still broken. :( Oh well... yeah, that would be great thanks. Anything specific to characters (Buffy, Faith, Angel, Spike, Willow, Xander, Dawn, Giles, all the main ones), in particular character creation, impact on pop culture, general characterization. My Yahoo address is paul730buffyverse@yahoo.com. Thanks, this is really nice of you to help like this. :) Paul730 14:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to let you know that I recieved and printed out those sources you sent me. I still have to go through it with a highlighter to find the stuff I'm going to use, but at a glance there's loads of good info there. Lots of stuff about Buffy being a feminist icon and stuff, which is going to make a great article. Just wanted to say thanks again, especially since I contacted several editors (some of them admins, and several members of Wikiproject Buffyverse) for help writing my sandbox and received zero response. I'll stop gushing with gratitude now. ;) Paul730 00:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, yeah. I was looking through some of the sources User:Kweeket left me, and it mentioned all these historical figures and people I've never heared of. Confusing. And yes, collabaration is a must. Bignole, you, Kweeket, and User:Zythe have all been invaluable help. So anyway, have fun living the college life. :P Paul730 00:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Future films

No, I wouldn't think it should be a task force, at least not called that. Task forces generally should be concentrating on a specific type of article (and by that I mean something constantly inherent to the subject; articles falling within a task force shouldn't have much cause to no longer fall within the task force scope, assuming the scope remains constant). But it could be a Department. The thing with Departments is that they tend to concentrate on larger issues such as Translation, Assessment, Categorization - general project-wide issues. I would actually say that the Future film patrolling is more of a maintenance task, and therefore could just be listed as a standing project task. Girolamo Savonarola 21:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DBZ movie

Please do not add content without citing reliable sources. Before making potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. If you are familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources please take this opportunity to add your original reference to the article. Contact me if you need assistance adding references. Thank you. Folken de Fanel 22:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussing with Folken

He seems to be insisting on discussing the matter on the DIsucssion page. Maybe trying that out, pointing out how the cites you are using are valid, might help a lot to deflate the situation. (S)He tends to go off half-cocked sometimes, so explaining what's what beforehand tneds to address the problem. Don't put up with any uncivil behavior, though. You aren't a vandal or an ass-clown, so you don't have to be treated as if you are. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 22:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Report him. Some people respond a lot better to the stick than carrot. I know you are a great and forgiving guy, but sometimes you need to pull the 'unforgiving bastard' hat out of the closet and wear it while you kick the bum to the curb. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 22:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Erik, I don't think drawing attention to the fact that, in order to game an AfD process, you're trying to transfer content from an article that's almost certainly going to be deleted because of "non verifiability", in another article, would be good for you. Nor would be to show that you're revert warring to force disputed and unverifiable content into the article and that you've ignored the comments at the AfD...Folken de Fanel 23:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I removed you're comment...You were talking to me as if I was just an ignorant. I know what Variety is, and I know that it can have its weaknesses. Telling me Variety is a trade paper and all that is useless, and a proof you haven't read a single word of what I wrote earlier. I know that nothing is to be immediately trusted when talking about the DB movie. In that case, there was no confirmation from Fox, and Fox confirmed they could not confirm the allegations from Moontreal gazette. That's not enough verifiable for WP, that's all.

Beside, I've never told you to start a revert war and to choose the AfD result you like, you've done it all by yourself, so don't try to put the blame on me.Folken de Fanel 23:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If there is something else you want to add, beside that you blindly trust Variety, why not ? But will it get us anywhere ? Folken de Fanel 23:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I told you, something else than saying that you blindly trust Variety to the point that the world ending tomorrow seems more likely to you than Variety being mistaken once since its creation. I know what you think about Variety, but I also know what i think of it, and in the case of the DB movie, it's unsubstanciated, that's all.Folken de Fanel 00:04, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, how do you know it ?

You see, that's precisely what I've been saying all along, and that you refused to take into account. There's no proof of anything, it's unsubstanciated, niether of us knows the truth, so while we've no definite answers, and while Fox keeps forgetting to confirm, or refusing to confirm, we should just see at as another rumor. We'll know very soon if it's a rumor or not, because if according to you Fox accepted to give info to Montreal Gazette, then it's because they're planning to make concrete announcements to the movie very soon. We'll find out then. But for now, it's just rumors denying what other rumors are denying...Just not notable enough.

Now, after talking all the night behind my back and trying to get me blocked because I stand in your way, could you just try to work "with me" (as someone else said) ? Folken de Fanel 00:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's you're opinion, and I don't agree with it. You don't agree with mine either. Period. Now, would you respect my opinion, instead of trying to impose yours by disrupting an ongoing AfD ? Folken de Fanel 00:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And Variety is an unreliable source which has been unconfirmed for 3 years, thus not notable for Wikipedia. Yes, Variety, as every source, as to be proven right, because there's no such thing as absolute truth. Good night.Folken de Fanel 00:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If I might ask, what is the AfD? As well, I was wondering if you could point me in the direction of the wiki info that regards Variety as unreliable/unconfirmed for the past three years? I have never heard of that, and I wouldn't want to make a mistake about adding a Variety reference. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 02:05, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not involved.

It just struck me that the article basically just said 'This movie might be happening, but maybe not', which didn't really seem like something verifiable to me and commented as such. I simply don't care. Beyond my comment, I have no involvement whatsoever. HalfShadow 23:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In essence, I primarily felt there wasn't enough (or really any) verifiable information to 'waste' an article on. The thing was literally a single paragraph; there's next to no information to report. As a section to the DBZ article, perhaps (though there's almost no information other than 'this might happen sometime'), but as it's own article it really would have been a wasted page without at least some meat to add to the bones. As I said, though, I'm not really involved; I just came across something and gave my two cents. HalfShadow 23:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Dragon Ball Z

It won't matter if I change my vote to keep or merge, since the page is too little to warrant a page, it will be merged or redirected anyway. I'll admit it looks better than before. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:27, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's very wrong to ask someone to consider a vote, see WP:CANVASS. Even though you may be calling out to few users such as myself, you should let them decide by theirselves. I still stand by my vote, why don't you just scrap the info. there onto the DBZ article now if you're worried about a loss of information? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

by the way, the hobbit page has a plot that is too long. do you think you can fix it up, because you are good at these things. this is my final comment. --Cman7792 20:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

re: Hello

Hi Erik! Pleased to meet you. If I need any help with something, or need some proofreading done, I'll be sure to remember you! You're certainly more experienced, with an incredible 17,000 more edits than I...Thanks, Green451 23:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spoiler tag

I wasn't, thanks. I do think people might not be perceptive as the consensus seems to be, but that's OK...no more {{spoiler}} tags for me at the top of Plot sections :) --Lukobe 17:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do highly recommend 3:10. Now I want to see the 50-year-old original! --Lukobe 17:54, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

BB recep

I finished the reception section (not saying it doesn't need tweaking). I'll let you and Alien look it over before implementation. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:19, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm newly hesitant to use Metacritic and RT's percentages, because of the varying number of reviewers that show up per film on their pages. If one film only gets 75 reviews, does its percentage weigh against someone that got 200 reviewers? How many reviewers on there? It makes me wearing. I could grab more positive ones if you like, is it uneven? I tried to make it equal in number, but then again I had to ditch 3 reviews because they sucked (and they were from some big magazine and news organizations). What about citing RT, but just not putting in that percentage..that could verify the positive response to the film. Or do you think we should put the percentages in? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll put in the RT information, and see about adding some more positives (how many more do you think should be added?). You sure about Metacritic though? It's pretty much RT's cream of the crop, with a few extra "creames". I don't really care where the plot comes any longer. If it works better coming after production, then that's cool. It seems that even if you do that, there will be someone that comes along and says "the plot should go first" and swaps it. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:27, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That was kind of what got me to thinking more about the inclusion of RT, or the lack of inclusion as I was taking. I tested it's place out on the reception section. You can see what it looks like here. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. What about Meta? Should I go ahead and include them? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:46, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Like so? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing. Do you think I should simply add them, or replace them with one of the ones already there? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Take your time. I still have that one you gave me from awhile back (check the top of the talk page). I hadn't gone through it when I finished (actually forgot about it till a little while ago). BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll look into it. I also have Paul's Total Film review and Gothetic Oedipus article you gave me awhile back. I'm going to move them over to the sandbox so I don't forget about them. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 05:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's no problem, I know how it is. I actually have 2 quizes and a reaction paper I have to write, which are due tomorrow. I'm postponing as long as I can. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I tried. I saw the comment about Ted (somebody). That's pretty interesting. I like when the actual people who are involved in some of these topics (if it can be proven that they are who they say they are) try to add things from their memory, which we cannot verify. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 21:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Be bold. It says do, and if there is opposition, then discuss. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 21:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Indiana Jones

Shia Lebouf confirmed the title at the VMAs dummy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.239.218.205 (talk) 02:17, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Indy

That's alright! I'm not so good with references (as you probably could tell), so I appreciate that you fixed it. -theblueflamingo^Squawk 04:51, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm excited. But what is a crystal skull? Alientraveller 08:08, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the film is gonna be fun, I don't have any overwhelming expectations, as I never speculated over which plot device, but I just want to see a film that is how they used to make 'em. Alientraveller 16:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh honestly, are these people still confusing rumours with reliable news? Alientraveller 15:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John Carter of Mars (film)

Wow. What a mess. Ideas? Girolamo Savonarola 07:27, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

May I ask another favor?

As you might be able to see from my user talk page, I seem to have inadvertently gotten into a tiff with Blofeld. During my attempts to tag for the task forces, I decided to start on the Argentine task force and came upon a giant mess at Category:Argentine films - the vast majority of the pages were italicized (aka redirects) that led to the lists like Argentine films of the 1950s. Essentially, almost every Argentine film had an article, but most of them merely redirected to the lists. Blofeld's solution to this is to just delete the cats from these articles, but I think that it's a big problem to keep vast swathes of redirect articles that are essentially acting as placeholders instead of redirecting for structural reasons such as titling or merges. If we don't have a real article for film X, it should have a red link, so that we know that we need to do that article. To get an idea of the damage, go to any of those Argentine films of the X's articles and look at the "What links here" section (I recommend the 500 at-a-time option); you'll see the damage. Should these go to mega-AfD? Also, I seem to have been a little less tactful (a weak spot of mine); would you be interested in joining the discussion? I'm just concerned that while Blofeld has many ambitious projects, most of which are useful, oftentimes the problem with things like this is that there is no community consultation - he just initiates it and then gets very defensive when editors like myself question the implementation. This is especially irksome in cases like this and in the past with the categorization mess, where mass reversion can take days. Anyway... Girolamo Savonarola 22:19, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Roll call

I've been having a discussion with Girolamo Savonarola to set up the roll call, and just wanted to check with you on it since you were one of the main editors involved in the discussion on the WP:Films talk page. We're thinking of having the message point out that there are task forces that they can join which they can see in the sidebar on the main project page. Additionally, for the coordinator positions, Girolamo is planning on setting up a proposal page. The roll call message will include a notice directing members to take a look at the proposal if they wish and to join in on the discussion on whether or not to create the positions. We can then send another notice down the line once we have reached consensus and if there are elections. You can see the full discussion on Girolamo's talk page. Does this sound reasonable to you? --Nehrams2020 03:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting edits on From Within (film)

I noted you once again have re-added the information after I removed it. While that particular citation does include that particular cast member, the cast was lated updated after the publication of the article, and Jake is no longer a cast member (as evidenced by IMDB). In addition, I removed a fact in the article that has been said to be false, reading the article on that shows it (the article is poorly worded). I got these complaints via OTRS from somone involved in the production of the film. I would appreciate it if you did not revert me again, thanks. ^demon^{[omg plz]} 14:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

comeon!!

I was talking on the talk page for the movie "the seeker" and you erased what i said. You said your reason was because it was not for general discussion. Well tell me something, what is another word for talk? Discuss is the word, and a discussion is a general talk. It says talk on the page I talk on that page. Come on!! Also I was talking about the movie, because i was writing about it and comparing it to other forms of media. Is that something to delete over???? I request you undo what you undid what i wrote or I will undo what you undid that i wrote. Btw, this is a talk page is it not?? do you see me deleting things on talk pages? that is very rude very!!! You tell me before you delete my discussion. Aka Paradox 21:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use

I know you love fair use image debates, and I have one at the Superman Returns article. I think there isn't a reason to have the Superman flying image in the plot, we have enough images of Superman around the article already, but the uploader disagrees. Could you bring your unbiased opinion to Talk: Superman Returns#Fair use? BIGNOLE (Contact me) 23:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good job

Now you just have to monitor all those articles. Hey now, I like a lot of Anderson's movies, they are usually entertaining. AvP, Mortal Kombat, Event Horizon (that one was a really good sci-fi thriller), the Resident Evil series, and Soldier. Come on, getting Kurt Russell to not speak is almost a gift right there. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I admit, it was sharply different from the R-rated movies before it, but it was still entertaining. It was fun...just not scary, or suspensful like the previous Alien movies (Predator was never really either, it was always simply an action movie to me). BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's why I have been putting off using it (just actually opened it to start reading it), and was thinking of asking if you if you thought it would be better suited to a "Themes" section. I think a themes section would be quite relevant, given the theme of "Fear" that plays throughout the film. So, should I go ahead and dump the reception section into the article, because the Oedipus link is the last one I had and I think we probably have enough reviews--unless you think otherwise. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Reception" section replaced, it is. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If we can get it featured before the release in 2008, then what we do (Raul has recently revamped the request page) is request that exact date, and then basically wait. He used to limit specific date requests to 5, but since he's changing the format he may expand that. If he doesn't, then we basically have to sit back and wait for the first available chance to request that date. Anyway, once we request, we just give the reasoning that it will be the release date of the new Batman film, and unless there is something more important requested for that date, it should be a shoe-in. He used to restrict requests to no longer than 30 days before the day you wanted, but since he's changing it I don't know how he will do it...because he removed that 30 day limit thing. You could put in a request relatively close to the day you wanted, so long as he didn't have something already selected and there was reasonable time for him to set it up. If we can get the article FA at least a few months before the release, we'll be just fine. We can put the request in a month or so before the release. At least, by that time he should have set up whatever new system he is working from and we'll know better how we have to request. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a plan (...*shudder*-"plan", that's a horrible term, it means "potential to be broken"). Anyway, that gives us several months to spruce up the article, given the exponential demands of college. Take it easy. I simply have work tomorrow, and since there is that stupid SurfControl, my Wiki business is severely limited. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Incivility

Your use of the term "weirdos" in an edit summary to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of media using the Wilhelm scream was incivil. Please avoid such discourtesies in the future, for all our sakes. --Orange Mike 16:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Valkyrie

Hi, no problem. Any bits of info I get time to look at I'll be more than happy to work into the article. Best regards, Liquidfinale 18:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of From Within (film)

From Within (film), an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that From Within (film) satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/From Within (film) and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of From Within (film) during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Guy (Help!) 12:37, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Indiana Jones

Hey. I noticed you reverted an edit I listed. An unreliable source from a fictitious interview is used as the source that's being used, meanwhile a source relating to Cate Blanchett's actual role as the film's nemesis, which may not be listed as a reliable source, but it cites its reference as IESB, the source is there, and IESB is a reliable source, yet you felt the need to revert the edit, rather than verify the fact. Please assume good faith before simply considering an act of vandalism. I know you have about three times the amount of edits that I have and I should not have to tell you these things, and yet here I am. --linca ^linca 13:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I actually refer to the article on USAToday as having been refuted by George Lucas: he said that much of the interview was fabricated (it happened, but they've made up stuff, kind of a situation akin to the film Shattered Glass), in particular the stuff about Cate Blanchett, which was untrue as she met George Lucas on the set of Lord of the Rings when he was "dropping by" and according to the Empire article I read (I can't remember when, probably about June... the fansite/IESB was the quickest one I could find when I added that) Lucas suggested her to Spielberg. Anyway, I'll try and fin the article rebuttal. I'm sure that about about June or July. --linca ^linca 13:41, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Empires report on Crystal Skull was throwing out rumours for a laugh.Alientraveller 13:49, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The one you're referring to was older: about March or so that Empire was throwing out rumours, but the one I'm referring to was just a general fact-based article. The Empire article said she was dealing in accents (and were implicit about use of plural, I remember), believed she'd be playing a Russian expatriate in China/Mongolia in parts, but that doesn't mean it's set in China or Mongolia, but could be filming there. No name was given, sadly. I'm going to try to find the article, but otherwise, I'm going to back out of this and simply allow time to let the truth unfold. --linca ^linca 13:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Films roll call

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From Within

GMTA. :) By the way, I understand your reasoning for including the link of photos as a source due to the AfD process -- willing to let that play out. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 16:00, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Or as I sometimes say "great mind think alike, but then again, so do we" (though that last part is often muttered sotto vocce). There seems little reason not to fix articles in this situation and improve them, rather than toss them in the trash. WP:NF clearly recognizes that unreleased films that have commenced shooting and have reliable sources meet standards of notability. Hence the source I added and my !vote to keep. Thank you for all of your contributions. Alansohn 16:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator position

Erik, I was wondering if you had considered running for one of the Coordinator spots. I think that you have a good perspective of the forest from the trees and are quite an asset for the project already - it seems like a natural step. Girolamo Savonarola 15:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've replied to your last comment on my talk page. Girolamo Savonarola 18:42, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Mummy 3 and other stuff

Kryptonsite pointed us readers to Rob Cohen's personal blog for the upcoming film (because it's being written, or executive produced by Smallville EPs Alfred Gough and Miles Millar. Anyway, I wasn't aware of whether you knew about it or not, and I think I saw some edits to that page by you before. The "other stuff" involved your opinion of me removing that "The film had generally positive reviews" from the reception section of Batman Begins. I was basing it on my understanding of WP:NPOV's fairness of tone. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 16:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That was kind of why I removed it. I felt saying "it has an 84& approval rating from critics, based on ...." was an objective approach to showing it was positively received, instead of this rather "plant" of "Critics loved this film"-esque type of wording in the preceding sentence. I think the lead would best be a summarization of what they actually said, as you suggested. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 17:12, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So, I've been wanting to replace the images for the Batsuit and Tumbler, with ones that are a little more detailed (and clear in their design). I was hoping to capture some images from the DVD, but for some reason it won't let me do that on PowerDVD. Anyway, I did find these images, though I don't know who owns them. Also, I found these--[1],[2],[3],****,****,[4],[5], ****, ****, [--on Flickr, but I don't know what the license is on any of them. Are you familiar with Flickr? I read that we may have to contact those uploaders personally. One of those is on Wiki Commons (Image:Batmobile.jpg), but it isn't the best one of the bunch. The "****" ones say "some rights reserved", instead of the "all rights reserved" the others state. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:58, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I like the one you picked out, and this one and the second one down on this page. I guess, if we go with FlickR, I could just sign-in (I think my Yahoo account will work for that) and contact that uploader to find out if it's their image and if they will upload it to Wiki Commons or Wikipedia and release it to the public. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 03:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did you get all those sources for your university library search engine? Oh, and I just sent the uploaders of the image you liked, and the second choice that I picked out, on FlickR, a message requesting that they upload their images to Wikipedia under a free license. Here's hoping that they are nice people that like to share. ;) BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:30, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't appear that I have access to it. It requires a login, that I assume is school based (because I didn't see a "register now"), and I couldn't find it associated with Florida State. We have other search engines that are similar, but it appears that we don't have that specific one. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 00:53, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that, but I thought it was just a different search engine that was just similar to the one you used. The signature key is still in the insert box, at least it is on my machine. -- BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And so, shall we replace? lol. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 02:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Valkyrie

Both IMDb and Box Office Mojo have the release date as June 27. It seems obvious that release has been moved up.annoynmous 03:27, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Punisher 2

Could use some help over there, the move wars are getting ridiculous. There's no cite for that being the release title ,but peopel keep moving it. ThuranX 22:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, there were citations given for 'War Zone' being a new working title... but there's been no studio statement that War Zone will be the official title. I searched for them a ocuple weeks ago, found nothing, and we continue to have page moves occur without citations. This 'War Zone' Title was attahed as a new working title at one point, then the rumor sites started using it casually, now most wiki editors seem to think it's official. ThuranX 22:27, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IMDBish Partnership?

Hello Erik - Question for you. Noticed that you just removed all of my posts. And after reading the guidelines, I sadly agree that you were correct in doing so. I was attempting to be careful and relevant, but was breaking the rules none-the-less. So here's my question... ReelzChannel is a new cable TV network with tons of great movie content (interviews, red carpets, festival and award coverage, etc.). How do we set up a partnership with Wikipedia or the editors similar to IMDB (or RottenTomatos, MetaCritic)? I believe that we have some valuable content that could enhance some of your movie entries. Thanks for you time, and sorry for not adhering to the guidlines. Eric —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eparadis (talk • contribs) 20:15, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]