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There are several articles that have been nominated for a peer review. The Projects peer-review page can be accessed with the short cut WP:RUPR. Could people please review some of these articles! They can be directly accessed from the {{WPRU Announcements}} template (that's at the top of the page). Currently some of the articles have not been reviewed by anyone, and those that have it's only been one or two people. Please please can people help review some of these articles?!? Thanks. - Shudda talk 04:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1888-1889 New Zealand Native football team matches

I've nominated this to be a Featured List, please add your comments here. Thanks. Shudda talk 07:08, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Twickenham Stadium

Given that City of Manchester Stadium managed FA status without being especially long, does anyone think Twickenham Stadium would make a good collaboration of the fortnight? It probably needs to be expanded a bit, and a coy-edit plus references. Does anyone own, or have access to Twickenham: The History of the Cathedral of Rugby? - Shudda talk 11:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This could be FA with a little work! Goldman07 16:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Playing rugby union

I've copied relevant sections to a new article. The idea is that various sections of the rugby union article need to be summarised. Any help appreciated.GordyB 12:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Archive

Shouldn't this page by archived by now? Its too long and does have old unrelated information that can and should be archived..----Cometstyles 11:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done.GordyB 12:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fusion

Ddfree 20:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New collaboration of the fortnight

There is a new collaboration of the fortnight - Australia national rugby union team. I have added instructions on how to change the collaboration. I've done this because it seems that either others don't know how to change the collaboration, or aren't willing to (see here).

The last collaboration, France national rugby union team, has been nominated for good article status and was very successful with quite a few people contributing. Anyway hopefully the new one is successful; the nomination got the four necessary votes very fast so hopefully we get lots of contributors for this one as well. Anyway get contributing! - Shudda talk 10:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

David Wilson (sportsman)

Wallabies

Churchill Cup

I was adding the England result to the Churchill Cup page and also updated the England Saxons squad page. I don't know very much about club rugby, but there are several players on the England Saxons page who don't have Wikipedia profiles, I was wondering if somebody who knows more about club rugby than me would be willing to create new profiles. Andy4226uk 11:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

France national rugby union team

France national rugby union team has passed GA (apparently without any problems). I had nominated it once the collaboration was over - so congratulations to all those people that contributed. It has clearly been one of our more successful collaborations. - Shudda talk 23:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have now requested a peer review. Please help with this by commenting here. - Shudda talk 00:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Italian and Georgian rugby sevens teams.

Hi, I have created the Italian national rugby union team (sevens) and Georgian national rugby union team (sevens) to accomodate for their recent participation in the 2007 London Sevens. These two articles need expanding by somebody who is more knowledgable about Georgian and Italian rugby than I am! Andy4226uk 08:49, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

France national rugby union team

France national rugby union team is now a GA, and I believe it's ready to be an Featured Article Candidate. There have been no comments at it's peer-review. So I have discussed this with GordyB and he agrees it's ready. Gordy is willing to nominate it and try and take the article through the FAC process, but we both think that the red-links may need to be fixed up. I have been creating some articles recently but would appreciate some help. They are nearly all biographical articles. I'm going to list them here, and hopefully everyone will create one or two each. Info can be found on most of these players on the net, but prob not much more then a stub for each one. Here is the list, in a rough order of priority:

Current squad:

Former coaches:

Also the list of notable players, although this may be culled in the FAC process (depending on comments). Thanks. - Shudda talk 23:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is actually not very difficult to do. If you don't know the player (and even if you do), all you need do is put the name into google and you should be able to find enough data to write a decent stub at least. If you use at least two sources and copyedit them thoroughly then there won't be any copyvio problems.GordyB 05:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article is now a Featured Article Candidate. You can add your comments here. - Shudda talk 11:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Possible Vandalism

User 203.211.123.47 has made some edits to some rugby pages I believe they're vandalism but could someone with more knowledge on the subject please confirm this. --Jpeeling 11:05, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can remove it as vandalism.. the IRB Awards hasn't taken place yet :)..--Cometstyles 15:58, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

France national rugby union team FAC

There have been no comments at the France national rugby union team's FAC. You can comment here. A support or oppose (with reasons) from some of you would be greatly appreciated. This article has been a recent collaboration of the fortnight and was made a Good Article without any problems. Please do add your comments. Thanks. - Shudda talk 02:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Largely thanks to Shudda, it is now close to getting FAC status.GordyB 17:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It has now been promoted. This article was a collaboration of the fortnight, and would not be featured if it were not for everyones contributions. Thanks to all those that contributed and congratulations! - Shudde talk 04:08, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All Blacks

Congratulations to everyone who contributed to this Article because it is Today's Featured Article Good Job everyone.. ...--Cometstyles 12:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some Rugby Union templates nominated for deletion

Please see Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 June 25#Rugby Union templates. Mike Peel 21:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sue Day and England Women's Rugby

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%C3%A9gorie:Joueuse_anglaise_de_rugby_%C3%A0_XV

Why there is no woman created ? It is temporary... Ddfree 12:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All Blacks on German wikipedia

By pure chance, I found that the All Blacks article on German wikipedia is actually a featured article candidate! Looks like it might pass as well. Looks like there are some german rugby enthusiasts out there. I think it's mainly the work of Voyager. See the German page here, and it's featured candidacy here. - Shudda talk 01:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It got promoted. A Rugby union article featured in German! - Shudda talk 04:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there

Hey there fellows! I'm new (sort of) to this project and am excited to be working with you fine fellows on rugby union articles! I came across someone who makes these cool banners for WikiProjects, Miranda and was wondering if you guys would be interested in asking her to make us one. Cheers guys gaillimhConas tá tú? 22:29, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the project! What kind of banner are you suggesting? - Shudda talk 23:03, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article about list of rugby union terms

Im trying to create an article about list of rugby union terms and brief explanation of laws similar to List of cricket terms article.Here is my sandbox for the article.Any help in adding,defining and organising terms would be really appreciated. Ganesh s86 05:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scrum

I have been working on the rugby union section of the scrum article (see Scrum (rugby)#Rugby union) and am hoping for some feedback. I've only started, but am trying to make it more clear how a scrum is formed and how it works. It's a very difficult thing to explain to someone (imagine if you had to explain is to someone who had never seen one before!). Any help or comments would be appreciated as this is a fundamental and iconic aspect of rugby. - Shudde talk 06:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2007 World Cup squads

You can try this template! --necronudist 10:16, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merger discussion

Some of you may be interested in this merger discussion here. - Shudde talk 00:28, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

England national rugby union team

I think this article is very close to GA standard. All that is needed is the lead expanded a little and some references added to a couple of paragraph's in the history. If anyone can help me find those references that would be great. Thanks. - Shudde talk 06:56, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Country templates

There is a simpler way to do the templates than to create a new template for every country. I am in the process of implementing these templates across many different pages. these are the {{ru}}, {{ru-rt}}, {{ruw}}, {{ruw-rt}} and the soon to be created {{ru7}} and {{ru7-rt}}. Simply place the country code like this: {{ru|ENG}} and you get this:  England.

The {{ru-rt|KAZ}} puts the flag to the right like this:  Kazakhstan. What do people think? If this can be implemented across the board, I believe it could simplify things and replace up to 300 individual templates, whilst standardising across the board. --Bob 01:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. - Shudde talk 07:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, I've already installed this on football articles, obsoleting and deleting about a thousand individual templates in the process. I have been working sport-by-sport, so I'm glad you've already noticed {{ru}} and have started with the replacements. Thanks, Andrwsc 19:40, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

past WCs squads

You should try to find out past WCs rosters, it's a bad missing. --necronudist 13:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

National team articles

I was hoping that we could push to get more national team articles to good article and featured article standard. Especially the tier one countries. At the moment All Blacks and France and FA standard, and England is GA standard, but it would be good, especially at the World Cup is approaching to improve some others. Currently Australia is the Collaboration of the fortnight, but it hasn't been getting worked on much. I've been working on Wales, and have a todo list up on the talk page if anyone wants to help. Anyway it would be great if some contributors could adopt a team. It doesn't matter if there are several people working on the same article. That way we could get some collaboration going to improve these articles.

Anyway I'm going to list some national teams here, if you would like to help with one put your name beneath it. It's not formally organised so once you've decided you are going to help, be bold and start editing!

Shudde talk 01:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Use All Blacks and France national rugby union team as the formats the articles should aim for. Thanks. - Shudde talk 01:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Rugby

As part of the WikiProject Rugby league we have noticed that our parent WikiProject Rugby is defunct. It only has 4 members of which 2 no longer edit Wikipedia. The original purpose of the Project was to oversee both the union (this) project and the league project (ours). However it is our belief that both projects have enough support to be going on with and it is our wish for the project to be simply refer to both projects like below.

For the project on rugby league see WikiProject Rugby league.
For the project on rugby union see WikiProject Rugby union.

Any comments? SpecialWindler talk 11:59, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PROD nominations

Rationale

Can someone place an appropriate rationale on Image:Dave_Gallagher_Trophy.jpg? (Note I know nothing about it, just that it was sent to a former editor's user talk page and would otherwise have escaped notice) Orderinchaos 04:12, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jaranda/Notabilty (sports)

Hi, I strongly recommed this project to give your notabilty guidelines for a new notabilty proposal that I'm creating on my userpage, once it is completed, I will move to wikipedia namespace for the community to decide. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 22:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Offering proofreading services

I've been away for a while but I'm back now and I feel the best way I can help out is with proofreading of FA and GA articles. Just send me a note if you want a particular article checked over. GringoInChile 00:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

England national rugby union team now a featured article candidate

England national rugby union team article is now a featured article nominee. I've done this after addressing the one concern of the GA reviewer, and having had the article copy-edited (by GringoInChile). You can add your comments here. Thanks. - Shudde talk 02:48, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John Daniell

I am trying to gather material to expand the article on John Daniell, who was captain of Somerset County Cricket Club for 13 seasons between 1908 and 1926, and secretary (and virtual dictator!) of the county club for many years in the first half of the 20th century. He was also a cricket Blue at Cambridge University. I don't have problems finding cricketing information on Daniell, and cricket is likely to be the main thrust of the article, since that sport dominated his life.

But Daniell also played international rugby union for England as hooker seven times between 1898 and 1904, and (I think) won Cambridge Blues for rugby as well as cricket, and it would be good to get some more information (aside from these bald facts) about his rugby career into the article. I don't for example know which teams he played for, or whether his involvement with rugby continued after he returned to England from three years on the family tea plantations in India at the end of 1907. Are there rugby contributors who might know more, or rugby references where I could find some extra material? Johnlp 21:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Soviet Team

I have created the article "USSR national rugby union team". Can a few of you have a look at it please, and add extra detail. I have mainly dealt with the successor teams.

Also if someone can put in pictures of their strip etc, please. --MacRusgail 16:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby union/New articles

I've made Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby union/New articles, a place to put any new rugby articles. This is designed so that other users can check the new entries if necessary.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Montchav (talk • contribs) 15:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby World Cup 2007

Hi rugbymen, I think it important we have an article for everyone who appears in the World Cup, or at least for all the players who have scored. I've added a few for recent scorers anyway. --Montchav 14:17, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Titles

I know it would be a big job, but shouldn't the titles read (for example) "French national rugby union team" instead of 'France'? It reads quite badly as it currently stands. I apologise if this discussion has been had before. Iorek 02:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This naming convention is consistent with football (soccer - see Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams) and with rugby league. I don't really have a preference, but because this seems to be the convention adopted over a number of sports I see no reason for us to do things any differently. - Shudde talk 09:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Although the suggested name makes more sense, we do need to be consiatnt with the rest of Wikipedia.GordyB 13:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Why can't the Rugby Union WikiProject set the the standard? Just because other projects have got it wrong, doesn't mean you have to. Is wiki project Football the "head" project? Or is there a higher one? I'm just trying to find somewhere to suggest the change so that I won't get told "but X project, which we're based on, does it like this, so no change." Or is it a catch 22? Iorek 01:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If we really wanted to I don't see a reason why we could not change it. However I don't think it's necessary, and think it's more trouble then it could possibly be worth. So I'm with GordyB in opposing a change. - Shudde talk 01:12, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

England national rugby union team FAC

Hey everyone. This article has been an FAC for over two weeks now. I've had some constructive feedback so far regarding the article, but would appreciate if more people could look at the article and add their support, or oppose (with reasons). Please do this if you can. You can add your comments here. Thanks. - Shudde talk 08:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bratley Langenhoven/Bradley Langenhoven

What is the correct way of spelling Mr. Langenhoven's name - Google searches favour Bratley, MSN.com searches favour Bradley, Metacrawler has roughly the same, Yahoo massively favours Bradley, Official RWC site Bratley, scrum.com Bradley, Namibian RU Bradley. Which way does it go? --Montchav 12:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. Anybody has his ID card? ;) --necronudist 15:06, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IRB vs. IRFU all-Ireland flags

A different flag seems to be used officially by the IRB; see here: http://www.irb.com/unions/union=11000001/index.html. It looks like the 4prov flag with something in the middle? Maybe the big logo on that page? —MC 01:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's a great find. This should be brought to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby union for discussion. If we can get an SVG image created from those components, we would have an appropriate replacement. We did the same thing for the field hockey team (Ireland) once a team flag was found. Andrwsc 03:55, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Seems to be this flag. --StuartBrady (Talk) 11:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like the right one. Chandlertalk 13:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry Chandler, but your super-mega 22px sign is really annoying. D'you have a low self-esteem? Uh? --necronudist 17:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"super-mega 22px sign" yeah.. I dont know what you have but my sign doesn't go more than 4px over the normal text. so stop your whining. Chandlertalk 06:10, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That is the flag they use, however, it contains a non-free logo, so we would not be able to use it as a flag in templates. Bob 08:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Can't a flag without the logo be used? With the shields from the 4prov flag. Or maybe use the 4prov itself? According to Template:IrishFlags, the IFRU does use the 4prov flag. [1] —MC 18:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I took the flag used by the IRB from the IRFU website, here it is: [2]Image:IRFU-Flag.jpg. It's the official one, I didn't make it, even the EA Rugby games use it. Ciais 14:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
EA Games pay money to the IRFU and other organisations for the rights to use their logos and such like. Wikipedia does not. I don't think we could justify using it without permission.GordyB 15:41, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the standard that has been used for sometime now is Ireland. There was a discussion some time ago about this. You can view it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby union/Archive 1#Flag of Ireland - Shudde talk 22:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Templates

This subject was brought up a while back and their was some opinion (if I remember correctly) that the templates at the bottom of the articles be cleaned up - I was the main opposition, but have since come around. I have created a template to use ( {{Navboxrugby}} ) and will be implementing this across the articles slowly - tis a lot of work, please bear with me. Opinions about the standard style and colour scheme is obviously wanted. I have started with the same scheme as in the player/competition infoboxes. --Bob 19:00, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think having Union instead of Federation is a good idea? Nearly all national governing bodies are called blah blah rugby union, rather the federation aren't they (the French are an exception). Apart from that I think they look very good. - Shudde talk 23:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. It is kinda 50/50 depending on the language roots (latin tends to federation), I guess I went with instinct in that I speak French... Governing body? --Bob 23:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, i woould be ok with governing body or union, either is prob better then Federation. - Shudde talk 23:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Images/logos

It would be a good idea to verify that the images you have uploaded to use in articles have been tagged correctly, and if a logo of a club, a fair use rational added to the image page (See: Image:LyonOU.jpg for an example. Many are now being deleted without warning to the uploader. Remember, for each instance of use, a fresh rational has to be added to the image page. --Bob 18:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's a very convenient rationale template, {{logo fur}}. Conscious 05:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Minor rugby nations - Africa, Europe

Hello, just making a comment about minor rugby nations, which is an interest of mine, especially in Africa and Europe. Am finding even on the official IRB site, and particularly the CAR website, information is scant, and sometimes contradictory. Results are missed, and the dates and scores of matches often change depending on where you read them. Anyway, at some point I want to write at least something on all national teams that currently have red links on the national teams template, e.g. Burkina Faso. A number of these countries compete in the Castel Beer Cup, sometimes called the CAR Super 16 - usually divided into 4 regional groups of 4 in Africa. Anyone who can shed any light or find sources is obviously a friend of mine. Cheers Stevebritgimp 16:29, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RugbyData.com - Lots of results of games here.GordyB 16:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, lots of results there, but I think some countries are completely absent, e.g. Iran, Kyrgyzstan, while keeping on top of results is hard for any amateur site, e.g. Rwanda's results only go up to 2005 there. Rugbydata is certainly one site I've used, but you often have to try and check several sites, and see how they agree/disagree, and the one place you'd expect to be definitive, the IRB, doesn't have a 100% listing.Stevebritgimp 19:08, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of All Blacks

An anon keeps adding a template to delete this article. The template is only supposed to be used if a consensus exists over deletion. In this case it clearly does not, so could people please keep an eye on this page. Its ok to removed the template if you don't think the article should be deleted. If this person feels so strongly they should take it to AfD, but I see that as a waste of time. - Shudde talk 23:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New Collaboration of the Fortnight

After someone pointed out to me there were four support votes, we have a new collaboration of the fortnight. Gareth Edwards — it would be great if we could get a lot of editors contributing to this article, he is widely regarded as the greatest rugby player of all time (this coming from an All Blacks supporter!) so please help as much as you can. Thanks. - Shudde talk 23:14, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

England national rugby union team

England national rugby union team is the project's newest Featured Article! Congratulations to all those that contributed, and I'd like to especially thank those that helped copy-edit the article. Good work. - Shudde talk 01:13, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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