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This article is about a leading faculty member of one of the most prestigious music conservatories in the USA. In addition to his musical contributions, he is playing a significant role in introducing innovative technologies to enhance the performance, pedagogy and cultural dissemination of Classical Music.

Are you Hugh Sung? -FisherQueen (Talk) 04:12, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this article was authored by Hugh Sung

Please refer to credentials on the Curtis website here:

How do you think that the WP:AUTO guideline applies to this article? -FisherQueen (Talk) 04:15, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All events and references in this article are accurate and verifiable. I can delete questionable adjectives to maintain a more neutral tone if necessary (ie, "passionate", etc.), but given the direct connections to numerous established classical musicians and institutions contained in the subject of this article, i would request consideration to maintain its presence in the Wikipedia. Many thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hughsung (talk • contribs) 04:20, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How do you think that WP:COI applies to this article? — Timotab Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!) 04:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your inquiry - upon reviewing the WP:COI guidelines, i can understand why self-authorship can pose serious questions regarding the neutrality of the article. I would certainly be open to suggestions on editing the article to be more in compliance with the spirit of Wikipedia - this is my first article and quite a learning experience! Thanks in advance for your help and suggestions. -HughSung —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 04:45, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The simplest way is to not edit the article itself, but to suggest any edits, along with reliable, third party, sources to back up this information here in the talk page. In fact, right now, I would suggest that you find such sources for what's been written so far and put them here. Then other editors can review, discuss, and add them as appropriate. — Timotab Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!) 04:50, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some source references for your consideration:

Philadelphia Daily News article reference collaboration between flutist Jeffry Khaner and Hugh Sung

Listings of CD recordings available through Amazon.com

Article from www.Sequenza21.com in reference to Hugh Sung's experimental work with live visualization techniques for classical music performance

Review page containing reference to Hugh Sung's participation in developing piano modeling software Pianoteq

References from composer Jennifer Higdon's website to Hugh Sung's participation in CD recordings of her work

Reference to Hugh Sung's bio from violinist Aaron Rosand's website

Liner notes from violinist Hilary Hahn's CD referencing Hugh Sung's collaborative participation in the project

Journal article from Hilary Hahn's online journal referencing collaboration with Hugh Sung

Interview by www.TabletPC.it Italian online news site with Hugh Sung

Article from www.GottaBeMobile.com

Please let me know if these references suffice, or if you need more information/sources. Many thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hughsung (talk • contribs) 05:04, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Additional records available through Avie Records - collaborations with flutist Jeffrey Khaner

-HughSung —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 05:10, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Evaluation

This looks like a good start, I, and some other editors will need some time to go through and check them out. One thing I want to reiterate though, to help avoid others accusing you of WP:COI issues, I recommend that you don't edit the article any more at all whatsoever. Not even to add categories or other templates. The only exception to that would be if there is something defamatory that is unsourced - then, of course, feel free to remove that. (However, if something appears that you don't like, but someone provides a reliable source for it, do not remove it) Thank you for your willingness to work with us in this. Not all editors who want to have articles about themselves (even if they are legitimately notable) are as gracious as you have been once you've learnt a bit more about how things work here. One last thing, when you make a comment on a talk page, please sign it by using four tildes (~~~~). Thank you — Timotab Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!) 06:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have added initial evaluations of the sources, denoting which are appropriate, and which are not. The policies and guidelines covering this are the reliable sources policy, and the verifiability policy, as well as the external links guideline. Some can be used, and the question of notability is to me, at least, fully satisfied. However, I would encourage you to refrain from editing the article yourself, as it has been explained, it would be very difficult for you to be completely neutral. Any and all suggestions that you have here on the talk page would be wonderful, and there are more than enough editors around who will gladly take them into account and add them to the article if appropriate. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it is not for self-promotion, it is just to report facts, and as such, the article may not be as "flashy" as what you would see on other sites such as blogs or personal websites. While your enthusiasm is most appreciated, and we hope that you'll continue to contribute, especially I think you'd be of great help with music related articles, with this article specifically, as it is about you, I think a cup of restraint, and a teaspoon of patience will be helpful. If you're amenable to this, I'd be more than happy to go through all of these sources, and format the article per the manual of style, citing the references where available. Any other news articles you can obtain would be most helpful, especially any that discuss your early life, etc., as those things need to be verified, per the biographies of living persons policy. I also wish to thank you for your civility and understanding at what must seem to be some very strange policies, and I look forward to discussions in the future. Cheers, Ariel♥Gold 07:39, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm deeply impressed by the high level of integrity and scholarship required for wikipedia articles, as well as the careful scrutiny by so many editors! This is actually inspiring me to seriously consider making further contributions about other noteworthy musicians and composers that are deserving of inclusion in this body of knowledge. Thanks all for being patient with me as i slowly learn how to write and present references in a neutral, non-biased format. Hopefully i'll do a better job when i start writing and contributing info about other subjects in the classical music field (as well as technologies for classical musicians). In the meantime, i'll try to work on more references for this current article that hopefully comply with your stipulations. Thanks again for all your time and effort - and especially your help! Hughsung 12:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[user:hughsung|Hugh Sung][reply]

Quick question: may i add photographs to the current article? i would like to include an example of the work done with the Visual Recital projects already referenced. No text would be altered in the current article as requested, only the addition of a footnote with the added picture if allowed. Please advise - the picture looks like this:

Visual Recital performance by Hugh Sung in Recife, Brazil 2006

Hughsung 13:12, 29 September 2007 (UTC)Hugh Sung[reply]

We'd love to have you stick around- we can always use good editors who know about classical music. You might find Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music an interesting bunch of people who are working on those articles together, too. I stuck a standard welcome message on your talk page, with links to assorted information that's useful for new editors- please feel free to ask on my talk page if you have questions or issues. -FisherQueen (Talk) 13:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for being so welcoming (with high standards!) All the very best, Hughsung 13:20, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ICU tag

I've added the {tl|icu}} tag because in its current state, it is in danger of being deleted. I'm more trying to bring it to the attention of others who want to improve it rather than making a judgment on its potential. — Timotab Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!) 19:34, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Regarding your question about images. Basic pages for you to review: Help:Images, uploading images, image copyright tags, Image use policy, and fair use. Items such as album covers especially, will require extensive fair use rationale, explaining why they should be included, and that is an area that you'll really want to read through and understand. Also, the bottom line is that first, this is an article about you, the person. It is not an article about your albums or concerts, although certainly, those are components of the article. But images serve to better illustrate the subject, and as such, generally speaking for most medium sized biographies, only one image is needed, that of the person who is the subject. I'm going to go in and do some work to the article, and hopefully get it looking a bit more like most biography articles. Ariel♥Gold 20:34, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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