Talk:Occupation 101

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This movie is propaganda and is not cool man. You can’t justify terrorism in any form. Israel has a rite to exist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{2}}}|{{{2}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{2}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{2}}}|contribs]]) 11:54, 13 December 2006 John grishem

My personal opinion is that I agree with you. Israel does have a right to exist, and terrorism can't be justified. However, what you and I believe or agree about doesn't matter to Wikipedia. This is an Encyclopedia, we don't call anyone "nut jobs" and the articles are supposed to be neutral and fair to all notable opinions. Please read WP:NPOV. If you want to add criticism, then find a notable source that criticizes the movie, and quote from that source. -- Karl Meier 19:55, 14 December 2006 (UT

There was a notable source used that criticizes them and furthermore this article unedited is deceptive and to be honest a blatant lie. The article claims that they are even handed when they clearly are bias and objective. It is important to an encyclopaedia that they not deceive and manipulate the reader like this article does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by John grishem (talk • contribs)

What the article currently does is basically to mention that it's subject is a documentary on the Israel-Palestine conflict, and then it list what specific issues and subjects it discuss. I don't understand how that should make the article "deceptive and to be honest a blatant lie"? Also, I don't see where the article claim that the creators of the movie are "even handed"? Could you please be more specific about which parts of the article that you believe is not as neutral as they should be? A different issue is that you are (as mentioned) very welcome to (re)add criticism from notable sources, as long as you are very specific about them. Who is it that has criticized the movie and what have they criticized it for? -- Karl Meier 22:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Its the fact that the article gives itself the persona of a even handed film when it really is a crap piece of propaganda. You seem like a smart guy but if you actually see the movie or even just the intro you will see that it is clearly Islamic fascist crap. ow yea they changed their article because they knew that any semi intelligent person would realise its factual inaccuracy and bias. Dean Jenkins is a local San Diego independent film critic. Not internationally acclaimed but this movie isn’t international yet so... Shut up!!

01:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)~ It amazes me the kind of language people are willing to use for their lack of vocabulary and ability to articulate their points of view. The movie was honest, informative, and showed a point of view that we can’t hear or read about in mainstream America. Everyone has the right to say their opinion, make movies that speak for ‘their truth’. Whether you believe that Israel has the right to defend itself against people who are defending themselves (we can argue for days about the cyclic blame game). What I believe is that we are ALL human, and no one no matter what religion, color, or background deserves to be kicked out of their homes, tortured, or disrespected. What I don’t understand are people who think they know what is going on there. Unless you are Palestinian living under the occupation where all you have know is death, blood, and injustice all your life you will understand the Palestinian point of view. On the other hand, only if you are Jewish who have been mistreated throughout history, promised a home and gone there lived there all your life and having to deal with killings on your land that has been home for so long you will understand the Israeli point of you. I am neither, so I have no room to judge. I could sit here and point out the flaws in both sides, but the truth of the matter is that Jews have been mistreated throughout history and they will fight for a land of their own no matter what. The Palestinians had their home, land, and lives shatter in front of their eyes, and for generations children have been raised to know one thing, war, hatred, and injustice. DO we really expect them to behave logically! Israel created generations of Palestinian where their dignity and human rights were stripped. Do you realize how much damage that can cause over time, and then we complain about their suicide bombings! Obviously it is wrong, and YES the Isreali people have the right to defend themselves against such violence, but this violence won’t stop unless the violence against the Palestinians stops in the firsts place. To solve a problem.. The root of the problem needs to be addressed. We need to learn from history and our mistakes. Above all we need to TRULY respect each other, and believe that we are equal.. All of us! 01:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Per soci (talk • contribs) 01:58, 19 March 2007

It seems that we don’t live in the same world here you are obviously trying to make up for your own lack you vocabulary you mendacious asshole. I just used that word because it is not a very commonly used word you should look it up. Your point is very compelling mr um who ever you are. But listen here have you watched the news lately?? I have besides my glances at Fox news there has not been one accuracy described piece of journalism about Israel in a year. (The last one I found was a New York time article that was very accurate during the Israeli-Hezbollah war.) How is it that you can be so blind sided by your own sanctimonious self-righteous mind set that you wouldn’t even question what is before your eyes in the name of political correctness. We have a democratic system that allows us to be able to challenge anything any way we want. I have the right to question any piece of information i deem fit. You actually believe that there are alternate truths in this reality that we live. No get your facts straight son You have to understand that all the major Jewish settlements that are included in Israel today were built on terra nullius land (land without an owner) this was done to minimise harm. The only exception to this was Hebron the establishers of that settlement were very naughty and deserve to be put on the naughty stool for time out. There was no forced displacement of Pal people they moved on advice from other Muslim countries who promised them a home in their countries but were disappointed when they were placed in DP camps. (Displaced persons camps.) Why doesn’t the movie talk about the hundreds of thousands of Pal people still living in such camps today? Political reasons they don’t want to upset Jordan, Arabia of Saudi ect. I do like your egalitarianism though every man was made equal great concept that fully endorse. But the next bit pisses me off. You really think that their living conditions can justify the murder justify the lack of humanity? I specifically hate the part where you say "DO we really expect them to behave logically!" even though it should be a question mark the point is still invalid because they do act logically they = nomads so when they expect an Israeli bomb they move on, or they create a human shield knowing that we wont shoot deliberately at women and children they are very logistical my boy but what they don’t have and what I do expect them to have is a sense of humanity/humility and any form of compassion for human life. Golda Meir said "we will achieve peace when they love their children as much as they hate us."-paraphrased quote. finally what it comes down to is an assessment of reactions if you look at all the response attacks by Israel they mirror the attacks by the opposition once they bombed a train in Tel Aviv so we bombed a train in Gaza ect. Some times you cannot sit on the side line Mr... you have to make a judgment of what is the correct way to do things. i would like to reiterate my acceptance of you equality for all statement top stuff keep it going. From Simon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.132.243.223 (talk • contribs) 00:40, 20 March 2007

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