Talk:Gil Grissom

The wording in the last sentence paragraph 3 in the "Personal Life" section is a little shaky. Just a comment. Russ_Frank 28 Apr 07

I have heard rumors, and up until the Sara Sidle romantic shocker at the end of this season, that Grissom may be gay. This is backed by his habit of not dating, or talking about his private life, and his initial rebuff of female characters (including Sidle and Cathrine Willows). It would also explain his apparent ease at the somewhat kinky world of Madime whatshername.

Bytebear 19:15, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Grissom has dated in the seris a few times. Ok, maybe once. And... it wasn't really a date. But just because he doesn't have an apparent social life doesn't mean he's gay.70.30.158.135 03:03, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Beard

When did he began shaving that ridiculous beard?

I believe he had that beard at the start of Season 4 and kept it until the start of Season 7. He had that beard again after he returned from his sabbatical, but had it shaved soon after. - 上村七美 | talk 04:54, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Grissom's education

The article states that he is a Ph.D. I have not seen every episode, but wonder about the source for this. The CBS biography only states that he went to college. 72.73.85.77 20:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

He's frequently referred to has "Dr. Grissom," but I don't know any more specifics than that. Presumably his Ph.D. is in entomology. --75.42.220.217 13:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

In the first season, a suspect asks Grissom to give him a prescription for a "spider bite" (actually the victim's dental impression), to which Grissom replies "I'm a PhD, not an MD." 86.143.162.224 14:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Leaving?

Grissom is not leaving , He's on sabbatical.

I saw the previews for the new CSI episode, and it looks like Grissom's leaving. Do you know any more about this? I did mention it in the article though. Karrmann 01:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

IPA change

Under trivia, its says that he pronounces the "v" in "Nevada" as IPA [β]. I changed that to [v]. [β] is a bilabial fricative, and, although I am not an expert on American dialects, I am unaware of any English spoken there that uses bilabials consistently. I think that a labiodental [v] is more likely. Besides which, wouldn't the different pronunciations of "Nevada" depend more on the vowel? (As in [nə'vædə] vs. [nə'vadə])

Nonsensical sentence

This sentence

    He possesses a Moriarty-like nemesis, Paul Millander, over whom ultimately defeats him in death ...

doesn't make any sense. I'm not sure what the writer is trying to convey. Anyone have any suggestions? --75.42.220.217 13:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe the user means to imply that, like Holmes, Grissom was responsible for his nemesis' death. The comparison is inaccurate, though; Milander committed suicide, while Holmes was directly responsible for Moriarty's death at Reichenbach Falls. I'm going to modify. Konczewski 13:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Bruno the Dog

In the trivia section it mentions that Grissom has a dog... in what episode/season is this mentioned? I've never come across bit of trivia before and to be honest I'm slightly suspicious of it's validity. Crydwyn 213.78.53.8 02:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

He definitely had a dog, but I can't remember an episode ref. More pressingly, gotta kill that trivia section. Editus Reloaded 19:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Muahahaha! Die trivia die! Sorry, sorry... Editus Reloaded 19:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

The dog appears in the seventh season episode "Leapin' Lizards." Bruno, the dog that appears in the episode, is apparently the actor William Petersen's dog. I doubt it's significant enough to mention in this article, though. --Bookworm857158367 12:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

"Other Significant Events"

I deleted this section - basically, it was just a really short recap of the events of a few episodes. Now that we're seven seasons into the show, I didn't see the significance of these particular episodes (or this particular serial killer) over other episodes, killers, and events. In fact, I'd say that this information is so trivial as to not be necessary in a character bio at all (it certainly belongs in the episode articles, and the informatin is already there). Also, this section could become dangerously similar to a trivia section, which has already (and rightly so) been eliminated, with the information integrated into other sections of the article.Soojmagooj 04:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

204.16.43.47 01:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)== Grissom autistic or Asperger's? ==

I've seen this theory in several places. He's a loner, not very social, sometimes awkward, and has seemingly narrow interests. Has anyone ever heard anyone from the show state that he's supposed to be autistic or Asperger's? I personally think he's too good at subtle facial expressions, which is usually a problem for people with Asperger's. Of course this is probably because William Petersen is good at facial expressions.

GA fail

I have quick-failed this GA because it has no references. The lead section is very short as well, and needs to conform to WP:LEAD. Wrad 21:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

i've expanded the lead section and the references section. i'm renominating this article.Yamanbaiia 09:08, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

One thing that this article is missing is how the character was created. He's talked about as if he were real. We need to know more about the actor. How was he chosen for the role? Why did writers make him the way he is? Also, how is the character received by the general public? Is he popular? What have reviews said about him? Wrad 20:04, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

GA Fail

I have quick-failed this GA because none of the previous issues have been addressed. The article is written as if Gil is a real person and as Wrad mentions, nothing about how he was cast. There are still too few inline citations and this needs to be corrected before any further GA nomination. Centy – – 22:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I've gotta say, though, references are pouring in fast, this article is improving quickly. Wrad 22:30, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

tell me about it, i can't believe how much time i spent doing all the references. i'm determined to make this one a featured article. By the way, i had renominated the article before Wrad's revision, sorry about all the things that were missing. I am now using Jack Sparrow and Pauline Fowler as models for Gil Grissom. Yamanbaiia 16:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

This article isn't going to make FA if it can't even make GA. References aren't the primary issue here, it's how the article is written. Since he's a fictional character, we need to write the article as Wikipeida requires us to write articles based on fictional characters: for example, the first thing that we need to get rid of the status and birthdate. That is something that goes on a fansite, not on the Gil Grissom Wikipedia article. The article needs to be written from an "out of universe" perspective, which means not writing the article like a biography, but writing the article by explaining his development in the series as the creators'/ producers' developed him.--VorangorTheDemon 13:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Tom Haviland+Gil picture

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the picture showing Gil signing to "Tom Haviland," the character is cited as being played by Chad Michael Murray, whom looks NOTHING like the person in the picture. Unless a young guy was done up a LOT to look like an older person (which afaik hasn't been done in CSI), is this reference correct? Unless there's ANOTHER CMM and this one is simply linking to the wrong article...--TheSweet 07:42, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

My mistake, Grissom is not with "Tom Haviland" but with "dr.Phillipe Gerard" (actor Raymond J. Barry). Though Murray does appear in The Accused is Entitled. Sorry for the confusion, no make-up artist is that good!!Yamanbaiia 17:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Pre-GA review

This is in response to Yaman's request. I really like how the references are coming. It looks a lot better. Here are a few things I might fix before renominating:

• The Lead contains information not in the body of the article. It's also really short. Could this be expanded so that it summarized the article as a whole? See WP:LEAD for more on how to improve the lead.
• A lot of the character descriptions and plot summaries could be cut. I would say even by about half. I don't really care if he gets migraines every year, do you? Try to keep it to the most important and basic information.
• Is there any information on reception of this character by viewers?

[ Good luck on GA! Wrad 22:35, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

"Lead" expanded, "public reaction" section added. i didn't delete much, the "biography" section seems to me pretty concise. Probably a lot could be cut out of the "relationship" and" personality" section but some GA articles describe absolouteley everything about a character, so i don't see the dammage of this one having too much information.Yamanbaiia 01:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Wow! Now it's starting to look like a GA. I probably was overreacting to the length of character description a bit. It looks better now that it has a reception section. I only see two sections unsourced: "Evolution through the years" and "Comparison to Sherlock". Also, I'd put the new reception paragraphs after the character description. It makes sense chronologically. Wrad 02:20, 7 October 2007] (UTC)

Some quick thoughts: The section about Holmes looks like original research and should probably go unless you can get a reference to someone inside the production saying that was their intention. However, that is the only major issue. One minor niggle - quite a few reference links are given as a full URL and formatting them within single square brackets with a title would not only be useful but in the double column format, at my screen resolution the long links in the first column overlap with the second column (obviously adding a title, and probably using the URL cite template, would also make it easier for people to read and understand what the link is before clicking). Those two things should really help tighten things up. (Emperor 02:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

All good points. Wrad 02:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I see this has now been nominated for GA and that last set of changes has really tightened things up a lot and it is looking really solid. Yamanbaiia has done a lot of solid work on this and I think it stands a great chance of going through this time (and if not then it is in a good state for a quick tighten and it should be set). Fingers crossed. (Emperor 21:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC))

Sherlock

I feel bad for deleting the Sherlock part because probably a lot of people added to it, all the comparisons are based on facts, but i cannot find any confirmation that the producers (although they probably did) meant Grissom to be a 20th century Holmes. I'll save it on my hardrive and if i ever find a source i'll add it again.

(wish i could use uncyclopedia as a source: "Holmes called on some favours owed to him by Doctor Who and travelled to the 21st Century where he became an actor and played Gil Grissom in CSI.")Yamanbaiia 10:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

If you want drop the section in here and if people can source it they can put it back. I wouldn't feel too bad - if you hadn't removed it I would have. It may all be based on existing facts but facts arranged into a new shape is still original research. (Emperor 12:29, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

The unsourced section in question:

That entire section is both speculation and WP:OR --VorangorTheDemon 13:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Parallelism with Sherlock Holmes

Gil Grissom has a more than passing similarity to Sherlock Holmes. Like Holmes, Grissom is dispassionate with a fierce devotion to logic and little regard for societal norms of behavior; Grissom once smashed mustard jars in a grocery store to illustrate a theory ("I-15 Murders"), similarly, Holmes once practiced spearing a pig at a market to determine how strong a man would have to be to transfix a man with a harpoon.

Grissom possesses a Moriarty-like nemesis, Paul Millander, whom he pursues in several episodes ("Pilot;", "Anonymous;" and "Identity Crisis"). Coincidentally, "Paul Millander" has the same initials as "Professor Moriarty." There's also a woman, Lady Heather, in whom he takes an unusual interest, their relationship is similar to that of Irene Adler and Holmes. Both Irene and Lady Heather enchant Holmes and Grissom with their beauty, their wit and their resolution. Lady Heather is, almost always, wearing victorian dresses which are reminiscent to Holmes' era ("Slaves of Las Vegas", "Lady Heather's Box", "Pirates of the Third Reich" and "The Good, the Bad, and the Dominatrix").

Yamanbaiia 12:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Editing problems

Does anyone know what that "cause of death" "allign left" junk that is at the top of the aritcle? I'm trying to get rid of it, but when you go into edit, it isn't there. --VorangorTheDemon 12:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I think I figured out the problem. One of the templates in the table was deleted, therefore it's screwing up the table itself. All the CSI article have this issue. Should we switch to another table? --VorangorTheDemon 12:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)