Jump to content

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/archive May 2004

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
< Wikipedia:Votes for deletion

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Jamesday (talk | contribs) at 23:53, 24 November 2003 (reply on Monday report). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.


Please read and understand the Wikipedia deletion policy before editing this page

Votes for deletion (VfD) subpages: copyright violations -- foreign language -- images -- personal subpages -- lists and categories -- redirects

Deletion guidelines for administrators -- deletion log -- archived delete debates -- undeletion -- blankpages -- shortpages -- move to Wiktionary -- Bad jokes -- pages needing attention -- m:deletionism -- m:deletion management redesign -- Wikipedia:Cleanup

November 16

November 17

  • Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/August 21, Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/August 22, Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/August 23, Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/August 25, Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/August 26, Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/August 28, Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/September 3, Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/September 6 - I wasn't here when these subpages were made, so I don't know what discussion went into creating and then later abandoning these pages. Some subpages (which I have NOT listed) were declared resolved and redirected to this main VfD page. These ones still have some listings. Are they resolved or what? These pages should be blanked/redirected/deleted if all their listings have been resolved so that these listings aren't left outstanding. --Minesweeper 10:56, Nov 17, 2003 (UTC)
    • Hmmm... interesting question. I'm fine with just nuking them. I don't think there's any point to relisting entries or temporarily storing the information here to preserve history, whatever. Just deleting is fine with me. Daniel Quinlan 10:59, Nov 17, 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep. They now redirect here, and the page history of the previous discussions may be useful in future. Angela
    • The difference between redirecting back and not is simply in who processed them - I redirected on finishing, others blanked, others deleted. Sometimes I do look through past VfD listings (esp when someone relists a page previously listed here), so I'd vaguelly prefer to keep. Martin 18:26, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Move discussion of kept/redirected articles to their subpages, then delete all. There's no need to keep these pages as redirects. --Jiang
      • Gah! Well, if you want to do all that moving! (yikes!) Martin 23:44, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
      • I don't see the need to clutter up talk pages with stuff that, in most cases, is no longer relevant, so keep as redirects just in the case the page history is ever needed, but don't move the old content anywhere. Angela 14:41, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete them. Why make them redirects? Nothing links to them. They just make clutter and possible confusion. Kingturtle 21:24, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)



November 20

  • Hypofixx "Hypofixx is a heavy metal musician based out of New York City. His music is just beginning to garner national attention" (emphasis orthogonal's). How about we wait until he's actually garnered national attention, so as not to unduly influence the nation's taste by allowing Wikipedia to be used as his free PR firm. orthogonal 01:49, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • I'm seeing the pattern here. Delete - Marshman 02:43, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • And it looks Bradfordistic. Delete. —Frecklefoot 15:19, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Daniel Quinlan 19:31, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep. This VH1 bio suggests there's merit to about this much coverage of this artist at present. Jamesday 19:19, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
      • A little googling suggests that the bio is posted on the VH1 site, but was written by Hypofixx or someone doing PR for Hypofixx. The same text shows up at http://www.hofrec.com/hfx/bio.shtml, Hypofixx's label's web site. As it seems unlikely the label would appropriate copy written by VH1, it seems a case of VJ1 re-printing the label's press release. orthogonal 21:24, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Maximus Rex 04:07, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Influence - dictionary definition already copied to wikitionary. - SimonP 02:43, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
  • Practically Einstein and Brad Pugh - local band and its lead singer. More Bradfordistic vanity. As the band page contains little more than a link to the band's web site, seems an advertisement designed to take advantage of Wikipedia's high Google ranking. orthogonal 05:04, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Bmills 15:57, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Daniel Quinlan 19:31, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep the group. Press at [1] and [2] suggest that this degree of coverage is about right at the moment. Redirect the lead singer to the group - doesn't seem to merit individual coverage. Jamesday
      • Please note the header on the second link (emphasis mine) "Self-publishing by and for the Metro region's music community" orthogonal 22:11, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Maximus Rex 06:12, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Critique of e-Bay business model - a critique is POV by nature, no? Isn't something like this better suited to be written in http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml ? Kingturtle 08:06, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. "How ebay could improve their business" isn't really our area of expertise: we're not business consultants. --Delirium 08:19, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete DJ Clayworth 15:24, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Agree. This in an inappropriate venue for this approach to improving the world - Marshman 17:07, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Original essay. Daniel Quinlan 19:31, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete - I wrote this before I was aware of WP policies. Also, the people at eBay have already seen it. mydogategodshat 00:44, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Grafici climatici is just a collection of bar-graphs concerning weather. -- Khym Chanur 08:37, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
    • In Spanish as well. delete Secretlondon 09:56, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
      • Actually it's in Italian, even the title. Bogdan 14:39, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. DJ Clayworth 15:24, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • It would be really nice to have these climate graphs (in English), but without any source information, I'd suspect they have been lifted (copyvio). Delete - Marshman 17:05, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Not English. Daniel Quinlan 19:31, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
    • Ciao, I'm the author of these graphs, I utilize a template that I have drawe with "paint", the template is now insert with the other. I thik that it is no so difficult to make some green rectangle or a blue line. If the problem is that are all in italian, I remember you that italian wikipedia haven't a space to insert italian picture and the only way to have image in our encyclopedia is use english space as support. Bye Renato
      • Renato is saying that those graphs were hand-made, thus original and not copyvios. Please don't delete them. The Italian wikipedia is still running on the old UseModWiki software, and the only way for us to include images is to upload them somewhere on other wikipedias and link them using html. As soon as the .it will be moved to the new software, the images will be moved there too, and deleted from this one. I'll move this page under Renato's personal page. If I have the time, will look into an automatic program to generate similar graphs in the various languages - they are nice. At18 11:54, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep where they are now, for reasons above. Renato, can you make 2 versions, one with no text and one in Italian? If you do this, other people will be able to use them for Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries by adding labels for each language.
      • If it's to be kept, it should be moved to meta. RickK 00:33, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Hearst doctrine -- a google search suggests there isn't such a thing. This doctrine supposedly delineates the subset of the Bush Doctrine which calls for American military power without equal (making reference to Hertz corporation's purported "We're Number One" slogan). technopilgrim 10:32, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • gotta love it when people try to make an article out of a pet phrase and then don't even get the phrase right. Delete. Jgm 13:29, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Reads like it was totally made up - Marshman 17:02, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Bogus article and title. Daniel Quinlan 19:31, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep. It's real US policy, though it needs to be moved to Hertz doctrine. Jamesday 19:52, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. made up. Maximus Rex 04:09, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete! --Minesweeper 13:37, Nov 24, 2003 (UTC)
  • Quebec Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms - Source material -- JeLuF 16:29, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete, agreed. Daniel Quinlan 19:31, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
      • Not sure why. Is the excerpt of the law too long? I thought of putting only the preamble at first and write something like: "See external link to read the full document". However, I also did think that people would want to know what's after the preamble so I included the first few articles. Is putting only the Preamble more reasonable in your opinion? I mean, I don't see why a government would sue us for putting an excerpt of a law especially since the reference to Publication Quebec (official editor of the Quebec State) is at the bottom of the page. Mathieugp
      • This is item 14 of Wikipedia is not, which unfortunately doesn't give the reasons. I can't remember where they are discussed, but the gist is that (1) encyclopedias do not contain large quantities of source text, they contain information about important texts, and (2) the wide-open nature of Wiki isn't really appropriate to storing source texts, where every dot and comma must be preserved without modification. Onebyone 11:02, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Remove the source text, include and external link to the source text, and this is fine. --Minesweeper 11:06, Nov 21, 2003 (UTC)
    • Agreed, without the source text it's a reasonable stub, keep. Onebyone 11:21, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
      • Ok. I'll remove the excerpt. I'll add a paragraph detailing the history of the Charter instead. -- Mathieugp
  • Kafe_44 just some bar in Sweden. No contents, just link to its website and chefmoz. Mrdice 19:11, 2003 Nov 20 (UTC)
    • Delete. orthogonal 19:16, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete, probable advert, not encyclopedic anyway. Please, let's not create advertisements for every bar or restaurant everywhere. Daniel Quinlan 19:31, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
  • EPortfolio - advertisement added by person who sells a product trade named "EPortfolio". Not encyclopedic either. Daniel Quinlan 19:24, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep. Can you provide any evidence that it is a product trade named ???. ePortfolio is a concept derived from portfolio that is currently leading many innovative initiatives in the field of education and life long learning. (see [[3]]). If the 'style' is 'not encyclopedic', the content certainly is and I would certainly be eager to use a more 'canonic' form of writing if you would be kind enough to point out my mistakes Serge Ravet 19:24, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
      • This has been rewritten to explain what ePortfolios are. It's not an advert. ePortfolio isnt any particular product. It should be kept. Angela 18:44, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)

November 21

  • Bromley Contingent. "consituted the fashion avant garde of the early UK punk rock movement". They constituted' the avant garde? There was nobody else? RickK 05:21, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)~
    • I dont think it should be deleted, maybe reworded? The bromley contingent were an important part of punk history! Steeev 21 Nov 2003
    • Needs editing but deleting this is almost unthinkable. Bromely Contingent were very important. --Daniel C. Boyer 14:03, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Even I've heard of 'em, and I'm a Yank. Reword and keep. Malcolm McLaren probably ought to be mentioned as well. -- Smerdis of Tlön 23:41, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
      • Replaced vfd note with stub warning. there is no reason why this article shouldn't be included on WP. the article as it stands is mot inacuarte either, the Bromley Contingent WERE the avant garde that pushed the pistols into the limelight. Granted article could be fleshed out alot (I will do it if I get time), but in the meantime I vote it's better than owt. quercus robur 00:56, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)
        • You know, although I have no problem with leaving the article in, I strongly object to removing the VfD notice before the article is removed from this page, which is supposed to be 5 days, right? I'm going to restore the VfD notice until it's removed from this page. RickK 19:31, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)~
    • I've heard of these folks too (in a book on hair, of all things). Keep. Martin 19:07, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • HMPS. Another school that doesn't need its own article. RickK 05:52, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Please do not delete. It is an important school. will shortly update it. Hemanshu
    • It's no more an important school than any other school in the world. No elementary or high school needs its own article. RickK 07:44, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • What about Eton? ;) How important is this HMPS? -- Tarquin 17:29, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep unless it is decided at Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy/schools to delete all schools. Angela 18:10, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Courtisanerie - this was in CLEANUP for ages. Is it encyclopedic or dictionaric? Kingturtle 23:32, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Move to Wiktionary. Rossami 17:00, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Seems like a dictionary entry. Moved to 21st from 19th after I added the VfD notice for the first time today. Jamesday 16:27, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • DCide "is a Washington, DC based independent record label most noted for releasing various compilations of unsigned artists in the Washington, DC area." There are lots of independent record labels, given how inexpensive it is to press CDs with modern technology. This seems another case of Wikipedia being used for Google-farming. orthogonal 00:22, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep. We have List of record labels. Some labels certainly have much more historic importance than others, but I have no objection to NPOV articles about lesser labels if someone cares to add them. Wikipedia is not paper. -- Infrogmation 16:56, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • It's v. stubby, and they don't have a huge web presence. 50/50, I think. Martin 19:08, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Gregor Brand and Siegfried Alkan - vanity page, self-advertising by same internet persona. Only 63 hits on Google, 1000 if you include German pages. He added a page about an ancestor of his, Siegfried Alkan, who only gets 3 google hits from Brand's own free web-hosting pages, so it poses verification problems. Advert also includes link to a genealogy site claiming he's related to another historical person. User has also linked his article into a variety of list articles over the last few days from a variety of IP addresses: User:193.159.25.80 User:212.185.253.71 User:193.159.25.22 User:62.227.254.4 User:62.158.143.175 and more for the other article. Daniel Quinlan 01:13, Nov 21, 2003 (UTC)
    • Since I'm no expert on .de poetry, I hesitated. But adding himself to 1957 makes my decision much easier. Is "Brand" German for Bradford? Delete. orthogonal 12:08, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Speaking for myself: Why should a poet who is listed in more than 10 national and international literature lexica or biographical works (See the page: www.angelfire.com/art/gregorbrand/Biographie.html)have no entry in Wikipedia? I don´t see this as a case of vanity. GregorBrand
      • Correct me if I'm wrong, but your user name isn't an homage to Brand, is it? You're actually the person in question. So I guess you are literally "speaking for yourself". Bad form, old boy. And very clearly vanity. If you're actually of note, someday someone who isn't you will come along and note you. Let us hope for the arrival of that happy day, but not anticipate it. orthogonal 21:49, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Vate - a Mexican electronic music outfit. They are linked to from the list of notable electronic music artists and DJs despite the fact that they don't seem to have made any significant contributions to electronic music (unless those contributions are simply unknown outside of Mexico). Their main repository for mp3s is mp3.com, and they only have 13,000 views there. -- Tlotoxl 04:26, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Power level DragonBall, but too generic to be a redirect. DJ Clayworth 20:48, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete, of course! wshun 23:26, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Hexaware Technologies - unwikified advert, first edit by anonymous IP. Daniel Quinlan 22:34, Nov 21, 2003 (UTC)
    • Lir has transformed the original advert into a reasonable wiki entry, so I think the question is, is Hexaware Tech significant enough to be in an encyclopedia? My thought is, no. Delete. orthogonal 22:46, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • I think that most of the information is suitable for a small article, but realistically the info on their alliances is irrelevant. A simple statement of what they do, where they are based, how many employees they have woudl suffice. I fail to see how linking to technology etc is useful. Most of the information on teh page is erroneous or unverifiable. Its an obvious advertisement. And LIR, do not edit other peopels entries. AQBachler 01:04, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep, a company which employees 1700 people is encylopedic. Lirath Q. Pynnor
    • Can't see any strong argument for deletion. Keep. Jay 06:49, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)

November 22

  • Monday Report - from Cleanup. Reads like a press release, about a TV show to be aired in 2004. Secretlondon 14:26, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
    • From Wikipedia:Cleanup:
      • Monday Report
      • - reads like a press release Secretlondon
      • - Bah, it isn't even on the air yet. It's an ad. I vote for deletion, it can come back when some people have seen it. Tualha
        • I'd previously fixed it to not be a press release, and I've reverted to that revision. Keep. Morwen 14:36, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Daniel Quinlan 19:31, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep. The other edits by this IP are fine (though use of preview would be nice!) and that suggests that this one will be updated when the show is broadcast. It appears to be a genuine contribution rather than a deliberate ad. Jamesday 03:43, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • The anon contributor has now created Rick Mercer's Monday Report with the exact same content, apparently to avoid deletion. -Minesweeper 16:13, Nov 22, 2003 (UTC)
      • and blanked the original Secretlondon 17:59, Nov 22, 2003 (UTC)
      • Given the absence of a VfD notice in the article, it seems more likely that the contributor found that the show name was wrong and didn't know how to fix it. Jamesday 03:34, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep. We have long had articles on upcoming films. - SimonP 16:25, Nov 22, 2003 (UTC)
    • Noticed it had no VfD notice, which may explain why the anon doesn't know about this process. Added it and moved from 20th to today. Jamesday 03:34, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
      • author has removed redirect from Rick Mercer's Monday Report to Monday Report, blanked Monday Report and is continuing to edit the former. Because of his/her changes no page has a VfD notice on anymore Secretlondon 23:28, Nov 24, 2003 (UTC)
        • Thanks. So I saw. Our due process reason for the VfD notice seems to have been satisfied, so I'm making it redirect to the longer form. Now, lets see whether the anon will behave like a spammer or a contributor... Jamesday 23:53, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)

November 23

To lists for deletion: List of schools by country. List of schools. List of schools in the United States
To redirects for deletion: Pre-industrial

  • Quebec Provincial Police, Ontario Provincial Police - Wikipedia is not a web directroy -- JeLuF 19:36, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • keep. Just beef it up with more content, like a history of the OPP. Hell, I'll volunteer to do it. It should go under 'page needs work'. ZviGilbert 19:40, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep. Two articles created and listed here on 22 November. I have a feeling that police forces with a century of existence can have something useful written about them and incidents they have been involved in. Jamesday 04:49, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Added missing VfD notices on 23rd; moved from 22nd to 23rd. Jamesday 04:54, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep, they are pretty important, just sparse at the moment. Adam Bishop 23:16, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep, valid topic with confirmable info. Just because it does not have world-wide importance doesn't mean somebody reading those city articles won't find these type of articles useful. --mav 06:49, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Lake Clifton Eastern High School. Another bogus article about an unimportant school. If you'll read the article, you'll see that it even says in the article that the school will soon no longer even exist. RickK 01:33, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • "Unimportant" is a very subjective critereon to be using (I doubt it being unimportant to the kids who go there). In any case, the article claims it was the largest high school in the US when it opened, which surely makes it notable on some level. The fact that it will eventually cease to exist in its current form isn't really relavent - people die and borders change, but we still have articles on people and countries. I think the article is fine to keep. --Camembert
    • Keep unless it is decided at Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy/schools to delete all schools. Angela 02:12, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • You've probably guessed already, but I think we should keep this. It's a real school. Anyone who wants to read about it in the Wikipedia should be allowed to; anyone who doesn't can always choose not to go to the page. -- Oliver P. 04:38, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep, former largest school in US, now largest on east coast. Jamesday 04:57, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
      • How could it be the largest school on the east coast with only 2318 students, that's medium-sized at best. Maximus Rex 04:59, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
        • That page has "enrollment" = 2318: I think that means 2318 students enrolled this year, so for total size you need to multiply by number of year groups. Not sure, though. Martin 17:24, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep, well written and confirmable. --mav 06:49, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • It is confirmable, I was the one who submitted that entry, go here to see the school listed on CNN. To see how large the school is, go here for an arial picture of the school, courtesy of MapQuest.com, the large complex in the middle of the photo is Lake Clifton. -- User:KSweeley 24 Nov 2003.
  • Nik Swider - Unverifiable idiosyncratic advert. "Credited with the Corealism movement". Corealism has been deleted 4 times now with similar reasoning and the same IP created this article, possibly to work around that deletion. Nik Swider Corealism search on Google gets three hits: two Wikipedia and an artist directory entry open to public editing. Daniel Quinlan 03:12, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)
    • I vote to delete. A sidenote: the individual appears on Wikipedia:Requested articles. Lord Emsworth 03:23, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. More Boyerism (the Daniel C. kind). Nik Swider was added to Requested articles on 8 Sep 2002 by (surprise) User:Daniel C. Boyer. It took Boyer a long time to write it, guy must not be very important, even to Boyer. Maximus Rex 03:52, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
      • I didn't write it. Check the page history. --Daniel C. Boyer 13:46, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Bradfordistic and bizarre "Painting was traded for a lifetime of free hair-cuts and reportedly destroyed by David's mother." Delete. orthogonal 04:44, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Looks like a vanity page. --mav 06:49, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Sunset High School. For the usual reasons. Undeleted by User:Minesweeper without discussion on the Votes for undeletion page, in order to prove a point. RickK 03:36, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Hold on, I didn't undelete anything here. Once I saw it restored, I thought I'd include the missing information to see what kind of school-disambiguation madness we're starting here. --Minesweeper 03:40, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)
      • Then I apologize. But that's even worse, it was undeleted anonymously. RickK 03:45, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
        • I undeleted after Oliver listed it on VfU. Anyway, anonymous undeletions have not been possible since November 5 when Brion implemented the logging of undeletions. The undeletion policy states that I should have told you about that and listed the page here, but that wasn't the policy until 02:47 and I undeleted it at 02.20. Angela 04:02, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Please tell me we have a rule against writing about undistinguished high schools. Is there at town/city page where this particular non-article can be merged into? Maximus Rex 03:55, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Now a disambiguation page. Original content (but not the history thereof) moved to Sunset High School (Portland). The disambiguation page is useful for looking up where there are schools called "Sunset High School". -- Oliver P. 04:38, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep as disambig. May need the red links removing, but doesn't need to be deleted. Martin 17:29, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Sunset High School (Portland).
    • Delete. OliverP is out of control. I have a reason, the reason that I have for all schools and lists of schools, and I don't think I need to keep repeating it. RickK 04:11, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
      • I'm sorry, but you do need to repeat it because I don't know what the reason is. I cannot imagine any reason why these should be deleted. --Camembert
    • Thank you, Mr. Camembert. :) -- Oliver P. 04:38, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Abstain on Sunset at present. Jamesday 04:44, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Either keep, or merge and redirect with Portland, Oregon. Doesn't need deletion. Martin 17:29, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • I agree with Rick that it's unnecessary to have an article on every high school. Adam Bishop 23:16, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Essentially all the content now lies at Beaverton School District. --Minesweeper 06:29, Nov 24, 2003 (UTC)
      • Should it not be kept as a redirect then? Martin
  • Sanacja (1999), a political party of 39 members which has yet to achieve significant popular support or awareness. Too soon to be here. Jamesday 04:44, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • I agree, and therefore beg to Delete. Lord Emsworth 04:51, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete, currently immensely insignificant. Hell, I could probably start a party with 39 members. Maximus Rex 05:01, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete DJ Clayworth 03:30, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Quick Reference Handbook - ambiguous; Google search shows this could mean a lot of things [4] (this listing is from CLEANUP) --Minesweeper 06:24, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)
    • I'd say delete; I think this is unlikely to contain any particularly useful information: a Quick Reference Handbook is a handbook used for quick reference in some situation, by the mere definition of the words in the phrase. The fact that there are thousands of such handbooks doesn't seem worth an article. --Delirium 07:00, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)
  • Mohammed Rafi - the claims in this article are poppycock. delete. Kingturtle 11:26, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • I vote to delete. One will notice that the article, furthermore, is extremely biased towards one Point of view. Lord Emsworth 12:38, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)
    • I've Wikified and given a NPoV; though I can't speak for the verasity of the claims Andy Mabbett 17:13, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Claims should be verified, but the singer is well-known, so keep. --Delirium 22:20, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)
  • Towelie - TV series episode plot -- JeLuF 22:44, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • There are other episodes of various TV shows that have their own plots; I think it was decided some time recently that there was no need to delete them because "wikipedia is not paper." (I happen not to agree with that, but there is precedent for them to be kept...) Adam Bishop 23:16, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Maximus Rex 23:18, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)


  • Six best Waka poet. POV title. Best according to whom? If the article is worth keeping, maybe move it to List of Waka poets, but the resulting redirect should still be deleted as inappropriate. Angela 22:58, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete it. I've copied the content, as NPoV, to Waka, which is itself very brief. Andy Mabbett 23:13, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete, it is a grammatical error, should be "Six best Waka poets". However, It is not POV, it is just their title. There are also "Four most beautiful Chinese woman". -wshun 23:26, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Vote against deletion though it should be moved to "Six best Waka poets". Best according to Ki no Tsurayuki, who compiled the anthology of poems Kokin Wakashu by imperial order. "Six best Waka poets" (Rokkasen) is a historically established term and is NOT POV. --Nanshu 01:10, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
      • Could you find time to add that information to the article? Onebyone 10:58, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep as Nanshu stated. -- Taku 02:24, Nov 24, 2003 (UTC)

November 24

  • Deckchair.com – an article about the office layout of a .com company. As it stands the article needs a major rewrite. However I don't think this company is significant enough to warrant an article, so it ahould be deleted. -- Popsracer 23:21, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep; but needs much work. It used to be Bob Geldof's company [5].Andy Mabbett 01:44, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Worthless as is. --mav 06:44, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Anjouli 08:18, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • How to perform in a play substub, nonencyclopaedic and wrong! DJ Clayworth 03:27, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Frankly, I thought the same thing when I first saw it. I did my best to salvage some sort of information and rewrite the thing, but if it is to go, I won't be shedding any tears. Nullproductions
    • Delete. WP is not a How To manual. (Perhaps the seed of a new Wiki there?) Anjouli 08:16, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
      • There are plenty of how tos on wikipedia. However we now have a better wiki at http//:wikibooks.org wikibooks theresa knott 16:38, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete, but some of the content (it's not all wrong) could usefully be added to Theatre technique, which is currently a bit narrow in focus. Bmills 14:13, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
      • My apologies. This has improved since I wrote 'wrong'. (originally the main advice was to 'watch the movie of the play on video'). Still not sure its encyclopaedic. DJ Clayworth 17:25, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Mount Taranaki legend about a mountain God. Needs work or deletion. Original writer wrote it as factual info. Antonio Devilish Kid Martin
    • It is factual. It is an accurate report of a Maori legend, but does not claim the legend is true. The heading is "Mount Taranaki legend" and the article clearly states "according to legend" and "there are those who say". I recently contributed an article called Pania. If you delete this one, then please delete Pania as well, and to be consistent you will need to delete Robin Hood and King Arthur too. Moriori 07:42, Nov 24, 2003 (UTC)
    • It may need a bit of wikifying but it's worth keeping, I might try to do a bit on it now. Lisiate 08:01, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep. Onebyone 10:59, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • aglet - orphan that can never be more than a dictionary definition, better redirected to Wiktionary. Daniel Quinlan 08:12, Nov 24, 2003 (UTC)
    • Agree. Anjouli 08:19, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Changed my mind after the Java def. added today. Keep it. Anjouli 08:35, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
      • I was just screwing around; I took "can never be more than" as a challenge. I should just get a life. Don't let it influence you. orthogonal 08:41, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
      • Seriously, keep it. I didn't know about the java. That's factual content. Why delete? Anjouli 14:35, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
        • I've just expanded the article into a decent sized stub so I'd like to keep it. theresa knott 15:50, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Is more than a dictionary definition. Keep. Onebyone 15:59, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • I created the 'aglet' page about two days ago (11-22-03), and I'm happy to see its now been handsomely flushed out from the original entence or two I posted. But if it gets complaints THIS early on, maybe Daniel Quinlan is right. Then agin, the tide seems to have turned for keeping it so DO- who knows if, heaven forbid, someone actually has to know what an Aglet is! Litefantastic
  • Ned - inappropriate for an encyclopedia: slang definition about tracksuit wearers... Dysprosia 09:32, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • It's also slang for a skinhead (Scottish) or a Born Again Christian (after Ned Flanders).Anjouli
  • Alligator (fan-film). I feel bad for suggesting this but it's about someone's school project. Filming starting dec 2003 - release 2005. Secretlondon 13:49, Nov 24, 2003 (UTC)
    • The least that can be said is that an article on a film should not be made until after the film is finished. All article on uncompleted films should be deleted, unless there is something very significant about it as screenplay. Delete. --Daniel C. Boyer 14:01, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Might make an exception for, say Harry Potter III. But in this case definitely not. Delete. DJ Clayworth 17:19, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • List of quasi-scientific speculative ideas - this "list" has only one entry, and even that is not even remotely scientific. --Wik 14:16, Nov 24, 2003 (UTC)
    • I wholeheartedly agree that Wikipedia would be happier without this kind of, erm, knowledge, however there should be some way to handle the stuff that all the 211.28.xxx.xxx anons keep adding - just reverting will not work, Wik. I created that page as a sort of dumping ground for total bogus. better ideas welcome. Kosebamse 14:38, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
      • Agree with the above. Keep it just to please all the anons. --Raul654 15:43, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. The information currently contained in this article is duplicated in Gene Ray (and if there's any difference the info can be moved). We have enough lists as it is, without introducing new ones with fewer than two entries. Use Gene Ray to placate this alleged rampaging horde of anons. Onebyone 15:56, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Gene Ray - we don't need an article on every lunatic with a website. --Wik 14:16, Nov 24, 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Anjouli 14:35, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • I wholeheartedly agree that Wikipedia would be happier without this kind of, erm, knowledge, however there should be some way to handle the stuff that all the 211.28.xxx.xxx anons keep adding - just reverting will not work, Wik. Kosebamse 14:38, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • I'd say that Gene Ray is a notable lunatic with a website. Keep, unless he's more obscure in pointing-and-laughing circles than I thought. Onebyone 15:04, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep. TimeCube.com is one of the more well-known kook websites, and Ray is an interesting figure. What other kooks been given the opportunity to preside over a large debate at MIT? 80.58.0.107 15:22, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
      • As much as it makes me want to cry, I have to agree with the above --Raul654 15:43, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Only a lying professor or an educated stupid scientist would think of deleting an article about the TimeCube and its creator! I had heard of TimeCube before I had ever heard of Wikipedia. Keep. -- Smerdis of Tlön 20:58, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. This nonsense is not worth having on a credible encyclopædia. FearÉIREANN 21:21, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • While his theory isn't credible, information about it may be. I'm against Bradfordism and Reptilian Humanoids and Kranism, but Gene Ray and the Time Cube do have a certain notoriety on the web, and an NPOV explanation of it is useful. Keep. orthogonal 22:38, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Realdoll Stub about a particular brand of sex dolls. Read it. Surely, no WP material. Mrdice 14:23, 2003 Nov 24 (UTC)
    • DeleteAnjouli 14:35, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Pointess. Delete. Anthropos 14:42, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. DJ Clayworth 17:19, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Realdoll just a bit more than a "particular brand of sex dolls"? I have a hazy recollection that Realdoll is emblematic of a "particular type of sex dolls", even to such a degree, that it is in danger of suffering the fate of "Thermos", "Aspirin" and "Xerox". Again, correct me if I am wrong. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick 19:24, Nov 24, 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep - very full disambiguation page. Andy Mabbett 22:00, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Oriental languages. There is no such classification. As well 'These use pictograms' is incorrect... actually the page as a whole is pretty content-freeZviGilbert 17:52, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • agreed. delete - its confusing and incorrect to group languages into western and non western (which is what this article seems to be trying to do). There is no such term as 'oriental languages'. Secretlondon 17:59, Nov 24, 2003 (UTC)
      • Disagree, there are about 23,000 hits on Google for "Oriental languages". Some universities devote considerable attention to this classification as an academic topic. --Uncle Ed 19:55, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Ditto, plus it is hopelessly uninformative and superficial. --Kaihsu Tai 18:01, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Make into a redirect for CJK. Morwen 20:01, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete! Not make sense to redirect CJK. --wshun 21:54, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete; it's garbage. --Jiang
  • Onus - dictionary definition -- JeLuF 20:21, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)
  • Setting Default Profiles -- badly written, out-of-context how-to; only linked from Mozilla, along with another, as yet unwritten article (if it goes, so should these links) IMSoP 21:39, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)

November 25

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/archive_May_2004&oldid=1809288"