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List of warez groups

Always going to be POV; limited encyclopediac value. Talrias (t | e | c) 01:16, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. I am entirely fed up with the opinionated 15-year olds going around on the article talk pages, vandalizing my talk page for protecting it, and other stuff. IT has no value, because we can't list every single group out there. Unless you want to start from scratch and only add groups with a news article source, my vote stands. — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 01:18, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Abstain for now. Don't know enough about this. But I see we have Category:Warez groups. Maybe a list could be made out of only those (i.e. notable enough to have a WP article. But then again, that list would be slightly redundant, so I don't know really. Shanes 01:40, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It's redundant then. Like I said earlier, if it's kept it needs to be started over from scratch and only w/ groups with notable sources. — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 01:43, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Probably what we should do is just trim the list down to groups that have articles on here, that will clear up about half of the page. In the last section, everything is red links except for one. No vote from me yet. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 01:42, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Wikipedia is not a repository of everything ever known. --Phroziac (talk) 01:49, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, category is sufficient. Dcarrano 02:01, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - agree with two previous voters, a category would be best, if anything at all. -- Joolz 02:07, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - This is what categories are for. --Woohookitty 02:08, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm inclined to agree with the nominator. A few examples in the main Warez article should be sufficient for our encyclopedia. This "list of" article adds little value and is creating obvious problems. Delete. If kept, I do agree with Zscout370 that the list should be pared down to only those truly notable groups. A reasonable proxy is having an article. A redlinked site (or worse, a redlinked site that no one could be bothered to even describe) is unnecessary. Rossami (talk) 02:11, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Almost entirely unverifiable. --Carnildo 02:16, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, but only the stuff that can be verified. Note to warez people: if you can be verified by us, then the authorities will be able to also. Have fun in jail! - Ta bu shi da yu 02:59, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above 66.167.144.200 03:10, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Most of these groups are verifiable. The ones that aren't should be removed. Rhobite 03:15, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. The Category is enough. --Eliezer 03:38, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete redundant, category is better. Friday 04:07, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The list with short descriptions is value added over a simple category, but the list should be strictly limited to groups that are sufficiently notable and verifiable to have their own wikipedia page, i.e. no red links. Dragons flight 05:08, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
    Addendum Comment: I went through and found the following wares pages which recieved keep/no-consensus VFDs: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7]
    I would say this is fairly good precedent that at least some warez groups are encyclopedic. If one accepts that premise, it is not much of a stretch to believe that a list of notable warez groups is also encyclopedic. Dragons flight 08:41, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not encyclopedic. --Malathion 06:20, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Not encyclopedic. I'd even go so far as put the category up for deletion. Almafeta 07:23, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - unlike the category, it seems like this table provides pretty good concise summaries / short descriptions of the groups. Agree with Dragons flight above on the necessity of limiting the groups to sufficient notability, though that of course carries the caveat of flame wars, vandalism, etc. when someone decides that warez group X or Y is not notable. Verifiability, IMHO, should not be too problematic, either. RidG (talk) 07:34, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak delete, there are a couple of notable groups on here but mainly it seems to be a magnet for vanity of NN ones. Radiant_>|< 08:26, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Some of the information doesn't seem like it could be easily and instantly verified. TheMonkofDestiny 10:01, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, but let the redlinks stand. The category is sufficient at this time, but if at some later time enough articles are added to warrant a list, I have no objection the this page being re-created. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 10:03, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, mostly harmless unverifiable (sorry, I have Earth on my watchlist). I'm with Ilyanep on this one. Either this article gets deleted because it's too secret, or it gets kept, but only with groups that are verifiable through news sources. Even if this article gets deleted, one can always recreate it, but only with verifiable groups. --Deathphoenix 12:06, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - not notable. Even a so-called "notable" warez group hardly is, I'd say, any more than any other cartel of fraudsters or copyright violators. CDC (talk) 17:17, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - Not to overtly criticize, but that's a rather unsophisticated comment. 95% of all released warez comes from a small number of well-established groups, with anywhere from 2 to 5 groups vying for the top position in a specific niche (i.e., PC games, DVD movies, etc.). Given the attention that piracy receives in this country and others, I would argue that such major contributors to piracy are indeed sufficiently notable. Infamy does not warrant lack of inclusion to the Wikipedia, at least as far as I am aware. RidG (talk)
  • Keep - agree with RidG Ravedave 19:47, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, as per Ta bu shi da yu. --Conti|✉ 22:00, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - not encyclopaedic, fest for 15 year old IRC kiddies who think that being able to edit a .ini file makes them a 1337 Hax0r!1!!!!!1111! --Kiand 22:04, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Amusing. :D — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 00:45, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep please but only the parts which can be verifid Yuckfoo 22:21, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, non-notable information. Martg76 22:35, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the list ordered information provides a useful comparitive summary of organisations. The criteria for inclusion in the list should be a WP article which itself meets the notability criteria. Fifelfoo 00:29, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bicycle keep. As it clearly states atop this article, this is a list of warez groups for the parent article on warez. It was created because the list of names was becoming too long for the main article and it was appropriate to export it; I believe this is an acceptable reason for the creation of a list on Wikipedia. If non-notable or non-verifiable groups are added they can always be removed, but that is certainly not a valid reason for the deletion of the entire list. Secondly, this list serves to document notable groups which do not yet have articles rather than create a host of stubs. Alkivar is out of town, so I'm not sure if he'll be responding before the close of this vote. —RaD Man (talk) 03:45, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • It was created because the list of names was becoming too long for the main article So what? It was worthless in the main article, and it's worthless by itself. --Calton | Talk 13:35, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Non-encyclopedic. WP is not a web directory. --Calton | Talk 13:30, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and cleanup. Reluctantly, because there's no way this will ever get cleaned up and stay cleaned up. An annotated list is not redundant with a category. I would be more comfortable with this if it did not include freebie links with redlinked entries. (Seems like an open invitation for vanity additions.) It would be useful if there were some kind of objective criteria that could be applied (Alexa ratings? I don't know enough about the topic). -Aranel ("Sarah") 23:14, 16 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, cleanup and annotte'. This may be one of the few pages that needs semipermanent protection. Rich Farmbrough 00:52, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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