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Plaease, send comment at the bottom. Thankss!

Hi and welcome to the English wikipedia :)

I found your article on Esteban Terradas i Illa and have given it a bit of rewrite (please see the talk page if you want to see why). I think it could still do with a bit more work, especially since I am worried that I may have removed some information from it while trying to make it read better, but it looks like it is the start of what will eventually be an excellent article! VivaEmilyDavies 23:57, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Quick note on Catalan/Catalonia and NPOV

Hi again, thanks for your reply! I can see you are proud of your Catalan heritage :) However, be careful about the way you refer to Catalonia, or you may be accused of "POV-pushing". A good model to use is how en.WP refers to Scotland and Scottish people, another historically independent country, now largely autonomous, with its own cultural heritage. It's okay to say "X was a Scottish/Catalan mathematician" even though he was actually born in, and a citizen of, the United Kingdom/Spain. (It's a bit more complicated with "Basque" because you need to mention whether the person was French-born or Spanish-born or living at time of Basque independence). However, it's not a good idea to talk about Catalonia as if it is an independent country - that might be regarded as "Catalan-nationalist POV-pushing". For example:

  • Bad: He worked in his native Catalonia and also in Spain.
  • Good: He worked in his native Catalonia and also elsewhere in Spain.

Here, the "bad" example suggests that Catalonia is not in Spain.

  • Bad: He was born in Barcelona, Catalonia and died in Madrid, Spain
  • Good: He was born in Barcelona, Catalonia and died in Madrid
  • Also good but unnecessary: He was born in Barcelona, Catalonia and died in Madrid, Madrid Province

The "bad" example seems to make "Catalonia" and "Spain" equivalent political units. (Note that "Madrid" is a city so widely known that I think it's acceptable just to say "Madrid" rather than "Madrid, Spain" - similarly it's okay just to say "London" rather than "London, UK" or "London, England".)

Hope that this helps :)

Also, I don't know how this works in the Catalan WP, but be careful with sectional subdivision. Although in English newspapers and magazines, articles are often split up with the section title only refering to the first sentence or two of the next section, in WP and most encyclopedias sections are all on the same subject. Have a quick look at William Shakespeare and Tony Blair for example. If you want to break down a biography into sections you really need to do it in two steps: (1) Order the part of the biography after the introduction into distinct sections. They might deal with different aspects of his life and work (like the Shakespeare article) or they might go in chronological order (like the Tony Blair article) (2) Then give each section a title that refers to the entire section e.g. "Scientific research" or "Involvement in industry" (if you are going to split it up by aspects of life) or alternatively "Early life and education", "First professorship", ..., "Years in Latin America" etc if you are going to split chronologically.

Also, a common mistake you seem to make: in English, we use "on" for an exact date (on 3 March 1678), but "in" for a less exact one (in March 1678, in 1678). You also make mistakes with "drive" and "projected" - "projected" actually means "threw" or "thrown" (consider the word projectile). "Drive" is a rather complicated word (it has several possible meanings), and might it be better to avoid to it. You might want to try words like "lead", "run" or "organize" instead. :)

There are a few things that I don't understand: "turn of plan brick". By turn, do you mean "tower", or is it an architectural term that I hadn't heard of before? Also, do you mean "plan" or "plain"? VivaEmilyDavies 19:57, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Image:Esteban Terradas.jpg

I noticed you tagged this image as Public domain and credited the catalan WP, but the image there -[1] has no source or license. I wondered if you could clear this up. If you have any questions, give me a shout on my talk page. Cheers. Burgundavia 08:47, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

  • If you wouldn't mind noting the date and the source on the image, that would be great. Also you can sign your name with ~~~~. Burgundavia 06:58, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

Junipero Serra

Why did you move Junípero Serra to Juniper Serra? Junipero Serra [2] receives 106,000 google hits, Junípero Serra [3] about 10,000, and Juniper Serra [4] only 1,900. It seems that either of the Junipero names is much more common, while Juniper might not even be recognized by some readers. Gentgeen 20:19, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia policy is to name an article by the most common name in English. The name in the native language should be mentioned, but the article is at where it will be easiest found in the language in question. In Serra's case, 40 million English speaking Californians have learned in the fourth grade that Junipero Serra founded the California mission chain. In the Catalan Wikipedia, the appropiate title would likely be Juniper Serra.


Gaspar de Portolà

With regard to Portola, I did a google search, and Portolà is prefered to Portolá about 2:1, so the article should end up at the first name. I'll make the changes in a little bit. Gentgeen 23:09, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The policy in question is at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles), where it states "Most general rule overall: use the most common form of the name used in English" (the emphasis is in the policy page, not added by me). To clairfy, I've moved the article on Gaspar to de Portolà, as that version is correct and does appear more often than the á version. As far as Serra goes, in english usage Junipero is much more common (50:1) than Juniper. As Junípero is a correct spanish spelling, and is the most common version used in the English language, the policy states that the article should reside at Junipero or Junípero. Gentgeen 05:41, 10 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Victòria dels Àngels

Hello, please don't change "Victoria de los Angeles" to "Victòria dels Àngels". This singer is known in the English-speaking world under the Spanish name. As a Catalan, you may object to this, but Wikipedia naming principles dictate that we should call things by their most familiar names. Thanks for your understanding. -- Viajero 20:37, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You knew her? Wow! You must have seen her perform many times, no? It is said she was a superb actress. Do you ever get the chance to go the the Liceu these days? I've been to Barcelona several times but not been able to attend an opera there. -- Viajero 21:43, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
She was a familly friend, a natural and exceptional person, and participated in many familly events.--Friviere 21:50, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Victòria dels Àngels right spelling

Another [[Talk:Victoria_de_los_%C1ngeles#I_cannot_agree|point here]]

The correct writing, as of the Barcelona music school, that honours her memory is Victòria dels Àngels and not Victoria de los Angeles. I understand there may be some confussion for non accented language speakers.

References to prove that are:

If that's not enought, please look at her authorised biografies:

http://web.gc.cuny.edu/BrookCenter/Mompou_Biblio.htm University of New York, Barry S. Brook Center for Music Research and Documentation

And many other I can add upon request.

Therefore, both pages should be swaped.--Friviere 14:08, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Pic

Hi! You probably wonder how I found you. Well it's simple. I googled myself and found a picture of mine among others in the Catalonia encyclopedia, which was, of course, a copy of wikipedia. When I looked the diff pages in the history of the article Catalonia, I found out that you were the one to put my picture in the article. God bless you. Where are you from? I'm coming down to Catalonia again in 2 weeks or so, so maybe we could meet?! With regards --Dungodung 00:34, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Today I returned from the trip and I wasn't in Girona at all. I went to Lloret, Barcelona and Figueres and today I returned. You asked about the picture. Well, precisely, I was refering to my photograph of a river in Girona (I think it's Onyar). Bye --Dungodung 13:21, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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