Talk:American Idol season 7

Carly Smithson/Hennessy Situation

Do you think this controversy should be mentioned? It's gotten quite a bit of attention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.130.212.136 (talk) 01:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Revision

I wanna know who redirected the "Jason Castro" article to this article? And who the hell made a spurious revision of the Jason Castro entry in this "American Idol (Season 7)" article? Totally uncalled for and should be corrected by the perpetrator. —Preceding unsigned comment added by StyngerSmash (talk • contribs) 15:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I made several changes to the article and improved the way it currently looks, the references however aren't pointed to the reference link correctly so hopefully someone will correct that. I also moved a few things around and organized the article. I modified the "2008 Articles" section and renamed it to Facts and Trivia. I also removed the incident with "Daughtry" as it was irrevelant to the main article. I added the reference tag to the main article because the references aren't correctly placed. I also think we should lock this article from new and unregistered viewers so that we can avoid vandalism. -Vlad (talk)

OK, I've further changed it. The items that were in 'reaction' from Lythgoe and Cowell were not reaction, they were things said before the show even aired. That being said, they actually do fit in the 'additions and changes' section, so I moved them there. While the reaction section is small now, as more episodes air there will be more citeable sources and ratings to add.Gwynand (talk) 18:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Is it not the case that the Top 24 was filmed at The Orpheum in downtown Los Angeles, as opposed to the Pasadena Civic Center, as the article states? I thought that might be the case because of http://www.americanidol.com/videos/?vid=538 that link. Can someone confirm? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.118.75.151 (talk) 09:55, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

2008 Online Articles

In the first place, do we need this section? That is because they look like reviews rather than a proper article section. If it must be retained, can someone cleanup this up for everyone? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 14:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I don't like this section. I see that it is sourced, but it just looks like non-notable comments made in the press. The ratings would have a place, in a reception section, but not here.Gwynand (talk) 16:08, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

"Notable" auditioners

Per season 5 & 6, we shouldn't have a list of auditioners on here. Unless they make the top 24, they really aren't "notable" except that they appeared on television for 2 minutes. It's a massive waste of space. Let's wait until we get to the top 24 before we add lists of contestants. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

• I was the one who put them on in the first place. I don't agree with Woohookitty that it is a massive waste of space. As we have seen in the case of William Hung, they can be almost as memorable as those who do well on the show. I am asking for permission to list a limited number of the worst or most unusual auditioners (e.g. Alexis Cohen, Renaldo Lapuz) on this page. It will be clearly marked that these are the failed auditioners. - Desmond Hobson (talk) 07:25, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

  I just don't see what the bad auditioners have to do really do with anything though. Do they have a single thing to do with the outcome of the show? They don't. So I don't think they should be here. I think even the show only puts them on for novelty effect. Outside of the finale, they aren't really ever mentioned again. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 04:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Consult WP:Note first. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 11:35, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Bug Hung wasn't notable until after auditions were over and the show was halfway finished. Woohookitty is correct. Wait until after the show to put auditioners up until the smoke clears, there will be plenty of time (and accompanying references) after the show is over. --Hourick (talk) 14:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
• Thank you. I accept your decision. But some of those people are funny! Did you see Renaldo Lapuz and how the judges (except Simon) had fun with him? - Desmond Hobson (talk) 17:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Final cut

We should organize the final cut section. It looks so sloppy. Va girl2468 (talk) 02:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I followed the other seasons and started the semi-finals list. We usually don't do a whole lot with it until a week or two has gone by. See here for last year's format. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 08:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think we should add that section untill we know for sure who's on the show. Melbrooksfan101 talk 06:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

We do know who is on the show. The semi-finalists were announced last Wednesday night. http://www.americanidol.com/media/top24/meet_top_24.jpg if the official picture. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 08:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Delete the Distribution section?

I've seen the Distribution section, and I think it is inappropriate for this section to exist it should only cover the United States. Should I remove the section or not? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 10:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. It's sort of pointless. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 11:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree with this. The global airtimes and channels don't warrant inclusion, and it's an overly long list and hard to maintain anyways. Gwynand (talk) 13:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Should we remove the "Noted Contestants" section? I don't think it is also relevant in this article. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 03:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll remove it. Trust me. It'll be back. :) For awhile, "notable auditioners" were listed in the AI articles but they are just not notable beyond their 5 minutes on tv during the auditions. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:09, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protection?

Wondering if others think that we should ask for semi-protection. I know from previous experience that once we get into the semis (and especially in the finals), we're going to get nailed by vandalism and people wanting to add external links. And almost all of them are going to be from anons. Just in the last day we've been hit by multiple link additions. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 17:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Just reverted 2 more sets of vandalism. Sigh. Patrolling these AI pages is harmful to your health. :) And unfortunately, it's going to get worse. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 02:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I am for it Krushdiva (talk) 03:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I am against it. This article is going to be watchlisted by many people. We should be able to revert all but the most intense vandalism. We'll play it by ear. Remember, protecting a page should not be pre-emptive. When vandalism gets bad enough that the people watching the page can't keep up with it, then we can protect it. I will try to keep an eye on the vandalism level and this talk page and if it gets bad enough, then I will sprotect it.↔NMajdan•talk 14:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I am for it, lock it so that unregistered/ new users cannot edit. I just watched this page get pounded by vandals after tonight's announcements. --JD79 (talk) 02:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Rumors

Unless I'm reading WP:RS wrong, reality tv websites aren't really considered reliable, especially those which do alot of rumor mongering. The whole section on Carly Smithson bothers me for that reason. Citing votefortheworst makes me queasy. It's not reliable by any measure. Citing Yahoo and Wall Street Journal's site is ok since Yahoo gets info (generally) from reliable sources. But votefortheworst? --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:33, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I removed the citations for VFTW. It'd be great if people watchlisting this article also watchlist Carly Smithson, which is having similar issues. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Chikezie/Chikezie Eze

American Idol now states that he is going by just Chikezie [1], so I think in the list he should be listed as Chikezie not Chikezie Eze. Anyone else's opinions? Aspects (talk) 04:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

We usually go by the show. See Mandisa and Trenyce. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

That is what I thought but I can see an edit war happening because 17 minutes and 27 minutes after I removed his last name it was added back into two different places in the article. Aspects (talk) 06:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Not sure if it's an edit war or just typical editing patterns. The AI articles are always heavily edited, so it's really hard to tell what's a war and what's just heavy editing. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 07:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I also repointed Chikezie here as well, since that would be his article location (Chikezie Eze would be redirected there) if he makes the top 12 or becomes notable post-Idol. CrazyC83 (talk) 01:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Well it is definitely an edit war now, because despite there being hidden notes people keep adding his last name without an edit summary. Not only are they adding his last name back they are deleting the hidden note, so they are obviously reading it but purposefully ignoring it. Aspects (talk) 04:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

His last name should be listed SOMEWHERE in the article, not in all circumstances where his name appears, but even with Mandisa and Trenyce, their last names were at least mentioned. Batman2005 (talk) 15:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

This is absolutely ridiculous. His last name is notable. It needs to be listed somewhere in his short biography, and a mention that he goes by a single name. See Cher, Ronaldo, Madonna and all the other one name people. Even Mandisa on the season page has her entire name listed. His last name is entirely notable and needs to be mentioned. Batman2005 (talk) 04:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Please watchlist David Archuleta as well

Given his fanbase (and the fact that he's someone who had a fanbase BEFORE he appeared on American Idol), expect heavy activity and fancruft on David's article. So please watchlist it. It's been a page for just over a day and yet we're over 50 edits already. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 09:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Song writers

Should the name behind each song be the name of the writer of the song or the original performer? —BradV 19:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

We usually do song performer. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 02:15, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Controversy Section

I'm curious to know the reasoning behind the items in the Controversy section. The section is a list of prior work the contestants have done, but why is it controversial? Maybe it's just because I'm new to the whole AI thing, but it doesn't make sense (to me) to state the item without saying why it's controversial. (Is there a rule against former professional appearances or something?) Can this section be edited to explain the controversy? Abinidi (talk) 03:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Not necessarily controversial, but certainly noteworthy. Quacks Like a Duck (talk) 04:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

There is no assertion in the article why this is controversial. Now the section has been expanded to list almost every contestant. Perhaps we can rename the section "Contestants" and include some background information for each contestant, including prior work. (Perhaps we can merge David Archuleta into that section as well.) Thoughts? —BradV 19:03, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

IMO, the information should be merged into the current semi-finalist section as background info on the contestants. (see last season's sections on the contestants.) A separate section isn't really needed. MissMJ (talk) 21:15, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Always good to see ya, MissMJ. Voice of reason. :) Yes that's the way to go. I mean we've done the last 2 seasons basically the same. And it's worked out. Not fantastic articles but adequate. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 23:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Always good to be here, except for when I gotta save the elimination chart from the eager hands of those who don't know how Wikitables work. ;) I suppose I'll see what I can do about that merging business. MissMJ (talk) 02:19, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah it doesn't matter which season it is, we tend to run into the same issues: articles written on non-notable semi-finalists, the table being messed up, false results being added, etc. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 12:23, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Section has been eliminated and its info has been merged into individual contestant bios in the "Semi-finals" section. MissMJ (talk) 03:46, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Good work! --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 12:23, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

imho that was a good idea to merge. it looks much cleaner and organized now. regarding Kristy Lee Cook, her webpage (kristylee.net) was taken down. However, google still has cached her cv, i have no idea how long it will be available, therefore i did not edit the content page. feel free to include any information to her bio if you see it fit. http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:zm96AiLX-sEJ:www.kristylee.net/images/kristy.pdf+Kristy+opened+for+Glen+Campbell&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us if the link didn't work, the google search is: kristy lee opened for glen campbell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.129.83 (talk) 08:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Even if it was still live, it really shouldn't be cited unless it has news on her or whatever. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 09:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

bottom 2

Should we start the bottom 2 yet, or wait until the finals? ♥LilWikiMaster♥ 21:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

There is no bottom 2 yet. Or bottom 3. Who Seacrest brings out with the person about to be eliminated is never said to be in the "bottom" anything. That doesn't happen until the finals, with a few exceptions (he did say Kevin Covais was in the bottom 3 at one point during the season 5 semis). It's sort of like how Idol doesn't do places until the top 12. So even the order in which people are eliminated is random. They never say "you finished in 20th place". Sort of the same idea. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 10:54, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. ♥Shapiros10WuzHere♥ 14:44, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Song info

Could someone add the info on the songs that are being used regularly -- such as the reggae type one the top 24 were dancing to, and the hollywood one. Exploding Boy (talk) 16:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Themes

I see that we still only have last week's theme listed. Has this week's theme not yet been announced? Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 22:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Idol is very hit or miss about announcing themes. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 10:21, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, we always find out what it is the day of. ;) Who wants to bet next week's will be Songs of the 80s? MissMJ (talk) 01:36, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Yep. Seacrest said so on his show on the morning of the 28th. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 03:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Alaina Whitaker song for Week 1

She did sing "More Today than Yesterday". However, it is not The Spiral Starecase version. It is the Diana Ross version. Can someone please change this. The two versions sound completely different. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.74.33.8 (talk) 13:57, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Danny Noriega's ethnicity

Is Danny Noriega Latino or Asian? His face looks like Latino something. -- 09:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Hasn't been said. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 10:21, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Does it really matter what his ethnicity is? All that matters is that he can sing. Naruto 2008 (talk) 01:21, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

And honestly, for our purposes, that doesn't matter either. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 03:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

It's been mentioned that he is either Mexican or Filipino. -- 7:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC) TainaAzteca (talk) 13:42, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Kady Malloy in the bottom 3

The "Btm 3" box was removed from her row with the editor note saying that this isn't the stage of the competition where we start listing the bottom three. However, I don't see the harm in doing so. If we know for a fact that she was in the bottom three, why can't we list it on the chart? The information is completely encyclopedic and relevent to the chart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkMc1990 (talk • contribs) 04:01, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Of course we can add Bottom 3. Just because it's unusual for the semis doesn't mean we shouldn't have it. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 06:05, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

But having said that. :) I don't mean that assume that they order that Seacrest calls people out at this point means a damn thing. It's random. The ONLY exception is with cases like Malloy where he clearly said she was in the bottom 3. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 11:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I removed it because it's a non-point. It means nothing at this stage of the competition and will likely only cause confusion at latter stages when the bottom 3 actually means something. That Ryan Seacrest mentioned it in passing was certainly not a huge part of the show, and no big deal was made out of it. This is not the part of the show where we start listing the bottom 3 contestants, as evidenced by the fact that Seacrest has made slip-ups like this in the past and past season elimintation grids don't list those. I say leave the bottom 3 listing for the portion of the show where it actually means something. Batman2005 (talk) 15:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I concurr with Batman2005. Us including this in wp is borderline original research, as Kady being in the bottom three was little more than an aside by Seacrest which didn't hold much weight as being official. Although we all saw it, I would atleast like a reliable news source to be cited if we would include it. Either way, I agree with it being non-notable at this point in the game, just a piece of info that may or may not be given based on how Seacrest goes about his hosting. Also--and I know this is being nitpicky--but technically we don't know what "bottom 3" Kady was in. It's 99% likely that Seacrest meant the bottom three votes for girls... but it's never explicitly said. Since there is basically no history for "bottom 3 guys" and "bottom 3 girls" it is not the place of an encylcopedia to start interpreting that as being what AI is doing now. Gwynand (talk) 15:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

What other "bottom 3" could he have meant? He explicitly said "[between Alaina and Kady] one of them has the lowest number of votes, one of them is part of the bottom 3 but is safe" and since Alaina was the one that went home, that means she was the one with the lowest and Kady Malloy is the one with the 3rd lowest. I also noticed the bottom 3 for Kevin Covais and Kinnik was removed from the season 5 chart even tho that was clearly and explicitly revealed in the same fashion as they do it in the Finals. MarkMc1990 (talk) 21:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

"I removed it because it's a non-point. It means nothing at this stage of the competition" -- I don't understand how its any less significant now than it is in the finals. Like WooHooKitty said, just because its unusual for them to say someone is in the bottom 3 in the semis, doesn't mean its a not reliable or significant. Our source is right in the episode when Seacrest says "one of them is part of the bottom 3 but is safe." I say include it in the chart. Anyone else have any input? MarkMc1990 (talk) 21:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I was the one that originally put it in (thank you whoever fixed it from green to pink, by the way, smart move) and I think it should stay. Regardless of whether it means something or not, Seacrest said it, so there's no reason to not include it. That's what the chart is there for, for easy tracking of eliminations and placements. An extra table cell isn't going to bring down Wikipedia. :PMissMJ (talk) 19:23, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

It should be included. There's no reason for us not to just because its not the Top 12 yet. A-Supreme (talk) 03:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Seacrest said flat out bottom three, and it should be listed as so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.140.36 (talk) 05:32, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Well the idea that it isn't "official" is a bit silly. When did he say that this wasn't "official"? This is the show that doesn't give out what it's prize money is or vote totals. I mean, anything they say explicitly is official. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 06:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

"Btm" doesn't officially stand for bottom. In fact, not to go all adult, it stands for "b**t the ...", and the number 3 conspicuously looks private when next to this abbreviation. I corrected it to say "Bottom three" and declare a stop to the offensive material. I don't see a reason to change this any further (unless I'm COMPLETELY wrong, of course). edit: Ok, maybe it does stand for bottom more usually, but still...

That abbreviation has been used in every elimination chart with no problems up until now. I don't even see how one can see it as offensive unless one has a really dirty mind, which seems to be more a problem with you than anyone else. ;) There's no need to stretch the chart this way. MissMJ (talk) 01:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Danny Noriega's Birthday

He was not born on December 25, 1989. His birthday is September 29,1989. TainaAzteca (talk) 13:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

So change it and source it. :) MissMJ (talk) 19:24, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Jason Castro?

I've never heard the statement that Jason Castro is in intensive care after a drug overdose. Could someone please verify that and correct it if necessary?

63.236.11.134 (talk) 15:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Article notes

When the top 12 contestant articles are created, there are two with disambiguated redirects: Michael Johns (singer) and David Cook (American Idol singer) - the latter was necessitated as there are two other singers with that name with articles. CrazyC83 (talk) 02:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Order of Eliminated Semifinalists

For the contestants who were eliminated each week (Top 24, 20, 16), how should we order their names on the chart? Consesus for Season 6 was to list them in reverse order of elimination (order they were told they were eliminated in the episode - first person lower, last person higher). Some people think alphabetical. My vote is for (reverse) order they were told they were eliminated. MarkMc1990 (talk) 02:10, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I put them alphabetical in their group as there is no numerical truth to what they say - just they were in the bottom two in their gender. CrazyC83 (talk) 02:15, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd go with Mark on this one just because previous seasons have done it. No numerical anything is given in that section, so I don't think that's an issue. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 07:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

What do the numbers mean by the contestants names?

What do the numbers mean by the contestants names? Cogswobbletalk 05:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Numbers they received when they auditioned. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 07:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Gallery

Um no. :) It seems like a great but the copyright status on every picture is suspect. And it's way way overuse of non free images. Just not a good idea. If people can find free pictures of the contestants, then we can use them. Otherwise, we really shouldn't. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 07:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree to this. No sense putting their pictures, then having them deleted due to copyright issues. Monzonda^talk 01:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)