User talk:Sam Spade/ - archive/November 2005
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Panentheism
The schools of Hinduism that are panentheistic include Ramanuja, and Kashmir Shaivism, see http://www.kashmirshaivism.org/introduction.html The schools of Hinduism that are panetheistic are those of Sankara. Kasmir saivism rejected the maya theory.
Raj2004 00:53, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
In answer to your question about an example of a school that is neither, Madhva's dualistic school or dvaita is one example. Sam, I also made more changes to the panentheism article with a quote by a respected swami. Raj2004 12:55, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
Sam, I did more research. It is interesting to note that all Vaishnavite schools are all panentheistic. I have edited some changes. Only Sankara's school of Advaita is pantheistic. Many of the Vaishnavite schools hold that the world is only a manifestation of Vishnu's shakti or power but is ultimately part of God. I guess the Vaishnavite theologians do not find it acceptable that the universe is only limited to God but instead the universe is part of God.
Hope this helps.
Raj2004 01:40, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Do you know much about Bharat Mata? I'm very interested in Hindutva and Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, and apparently they worship her. Her article is in very bad shape, and could use any additions or edits whatsoever. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 02:19, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the message. Unfortunately, I do not much about the subjects. I made a minor edit to Hinduvta.
speaking about Hinduvta, please see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4723409.stm
Raj2004 10:43, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
- It would seem some don't feel she is a deity at all, any more than mother russia or "the fatherland" of Germany, or etc... I guess what I need to do is find out what Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh thinks, and if they feel that they pray to a goddess, or simply honor India, at their meetings. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 20:25, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
I agree. I think she's a phony deity. RSS is a Hindu nationalist organization. some of their concerns are legitimate, such as having three laws, one for Muslims, Hindus, and Christians in matters of personal law in a supposedly secular India?
Their other concern: How come there are less than 1% of Hindus in Pakistan? Their other extreme view is that Hindus got one country, India while Muslims have three countries, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.
These are extreme views.
Raj2004 01:00, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
I decided to study them because I found myself agreeing with them so often. I would prefer if they don't think Bharat Mata is a deity however, because I think their 'prayer' is really great, but I'd feel a bit uncomfortable if it was truly worship of such a new (as you say "phony" ;) deity. They say many good things, in this prayer and otherwise, and frankly, I prefer them to any american political party (I am american ;) Politics is very hard on me, because I study and think and feel so deeply its very hard to agree with most mainstream political parties (such as american [republican]]s and democrats). I suppose maybe that makes me an extremist? Not always, however, I disagreed w Hindutva regarding censorship of bollywood films, either for reasons of crime influence,or of lesbian kisses ;) Freedom of information is important, and I wish they would respect this more. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 01:23, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Heavy metal template
I don't find the idea of holding this discussion again very amusing, so would you mind if I reverted the template to its original colors, we held a vote at Talk:Heavy metal music or wherever else and sticked to whatever the consensus say? --Sn0wflake 16:33, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
2-1 isn't concensus, anymore than you by yourself is concensus. As far as chatting about the template, i agree that would be pretty pointless, given past experience. I trust you'll do whatever the hell you want, and I'll do the same. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 20:22, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
- I was not talking about the past, I was rather talking about listening to the opinion of a wide range of people interested on the subject and reaching a definite conclusion, but forget it. I'll assume good faith and suppose you truly believe this color scheme is much better than the previous one, so I'm not going to insist for it to be reverted to the standard-compliant version any further. If somebody else wants to buy this fight, then that's their problem, but I'm out. --Sn0wflake 21:03, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Sounds good, and I have no intent to fuss over it either, regardless of who does what. My wikistrategy is M:Eventualism, in my experience waiting disagreements out, rather than charging in and kicking up dust, works out best in the long run, and pisses less people off. I appreciate your compromising attitude, and fully intend the same in return. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 01:10, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Bharat Mata
As far as I have learned Bharat Mata is a term used for representing India. Being RSS claims to be a patriotic organisation it use this term Bharat(India) + Mata(mother)= Mother India, Patriotically. Earlier this term was used by Indian Freedom Fighters to personify India during the Independence. So Bharat Mata is not a diety. And there in the Bharat Mata Article there is an ancient Hindu verse which was used as a quote to represent Bharat Mata as a diety. I think that, the word 'Bharat' used in that verse was to represent something else in sanskritic terms and glorified it as Mata (Mother).I've read that India earned the name Bharat from the king Bharat.So there are chances for the word Bharat synonymous in other ways. Finally, I can't accept Bharat Mata as a Hindu diety by the things which I've read. And I do not know how, and with which reference Bharat Mata was called as Goddess of fertility - Vaikunda Raja.
- Yes, I also found it a curious deity, but if it is true that people pray to her, than this would make her a deity of sorts. I'll continue looking into the subject, thank you for your assisstance. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 13:20, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
-view representing India:
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mag/2003/08/17/stories/2003081700160200.htm
Interesting points. I think Hinduism faltered under Buddhist influence which encouraged extreme pacifism. To fight against evil , i.e., a just war, was always accepted in Hinduism.
Raj2004 01:32, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree. While pacifism and sanyasa are ok for some people, at some times, I think that most people need to be involved with the world. This is a lesson taught very clearly by the bhagavad gita, that doing what is right is preferable to abstaining. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 01:39, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
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I haven't gone through completely but I applaud you for excellent edits. I made one minor edit by adding Karma in Hinduism As you know, Buddhism is essentially an atheistic religion and the concept of Karma in Hinduism is quite different. Please read and take a look. God in Hinduism is the Divine Accountant and karma is not simply a natural law, like the law of gravity.
Raj2004 02:07, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
- Hmm. I take interdenominationalism very far, and would say that many Buddhists are not atheists. I admit that some are, and that I see atheism as deeply wicked, however. I feel that science and religion are weaker the farther they are apart, so for me, Karma is both a law of God, and a law of nature. That said, I agree 100% w your edit, the page is for Hindu links, not Buddhist (altho some deities are the same).
- On a different topic, what do you think of Purusha? Would anyone have him for their ishta deva? ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 02:13, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Thaipusam
Hai Sam, You placed Thaipusam under the sub-heading Tamil Denominations.Thaipusam is a festival celebrated by Tamil, Hindus. So it should be removed from there and better to create a sub-heading 'Festivals ' and place it inside.And I've asked Mr Tan to suggest his opinion about his edits regarding Tamil People - Vaikunda Raja