Talk:Xbox 360

Xbox 360 table core information

uh shouldnt the controller for the core system be at the least "partial" due to the fact that it is not wireless unlike the other versions of the 360? just asking —Preceding unsigned comment added by Storms15 (talk • contribs) 21:01, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Right..... all controlers are wierless. unless you count charging, but thats a little overboard(220.236.187.71 (talk) 04:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC))

well now they are, before they had breakaway on the core. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.66.110 (talk) 16:29, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

what do you mean i got a early console and it had wierless controlers. it not changed eather —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.31.189.93 (talk) 13:37, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Just for the record, the 360 Core did originally come with a wired controller (see here for proof); though I'm not sure if that was changed just before it was discontinued. Thingg (talk) 01:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

The SRP in the UK is now 259.99 for the Elite, £199.99 for the Premium and £159.99 for the Arcade, so it needs to be changed... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.241.164 (talk) 20:00, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

XBOX 360 Ultimate

May just be rumours at the moment, but a website, located here has information on the "XBOX 360 Ultimate". It is as follows:

Bill Gates and the Microsoft crew are rumored to be planning something big for next week's Consumer Electronics Show, but we've got nothing but speculation to tide us over until then. Gadget mag Stuff, however, thinks it has—or genuinely has—the scoop on what's coming down the product pipeline from Redmond. The Xbox 360 Ultimate, Stuff writes, will be hitting store shelves by this autumn and feature "1080p HDMI output, built-in Wi-Fi, hi-def audio output, cooler 65nm hardware architecture and a near-silent fan." On top of all that, the IPTV service that MS touted at last year's CES will be good to go.

Also included in the Ultimate? A 320GB hard drive and HD-DVD drive. While we have our doubts about the authenticity of the details, the news seems a bit too matter of fact to ring false. Is someone at Stuff simply letting the cat out of the bag early? Perhaps we'll know more this Sunday, when we report directly from CES '08.

Is it a rumour? Is it true? You be the judge. 69.156.176.163 (talk) 00:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

It's a complete waste of time and should not be included in the article unless a reliable source actually quotes microsoft on it.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 13:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, if it's true, I'll be owing you an "I told you so", but as well, I'll be wanting an XBOX 360 Ultimate. 69.156.176.163 (talk) 01:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's another quote on this subject:

We’ve already had the Xbox 360 Premium and Elite. Both are, of course, fine gaming machines with the best games catalogue in the next-gen field. But come autumn 2008, we predict both will be rendered obsolete by a new model. We'll call it the Xbox Ultimate.

If our guesstimate is correct, this PS3-mauler will benefit from all manner of killer features, including 1080p HDMI output, built-in Wi-Fi, hi-def audio output, cooler 65nm hardware architecture and a near-silent fan.

Once the Xbox IPTV service is in full swing, we're hoping you'll be able to record TV shows to its beefier 320GB hard disk and watch live TV shows via your broadband provider.

But the piece de resistance? Well, fingers-crossed for a built-in HD DVD drive. Let Round 12 with the PS3 commence...

There you have it. 69.156.176.163 (talk) 08:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

A rumour really has no place on Wikipedia. Once a reliable source confirms this new model (ie. Microsoft) then it can be added. BeShaMo (talk) 15:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Upscale Dvd player?

Can we include some information about the xbox 360 upscale dvd player, as in, which editions have it and which don't? --Uselesswarrior (talk) 18:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that would be a little too in-depth for the audience of the article, but DVD upscaling is available on all versions of the XBox360. However this feature is only enabled when the console's display setting is in HD and a VGA or HDMI cable is used. Upscaling is not enabled over any Component cable (like the one that comes supplied in the box as standard) because of licencing issues with the Component standard and not because Microsoft couldn't do it if they wanted to. --Decompiled (talk) 00:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hardware revisions

Should there be a hardware revision section for the the 360 as there is for the ps 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS_2#Hardware_revisions)? To date there have been 3 motherboard revisions, three drives and there are two different power supply wattages, the original 203 watt, and the newer 175 watt that is only for the "falcon" motherboard. Typhoon87 (talk) 03:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)Typhoon87 January 07, 2008

Are they really that different? Maybe a table would simplify the information enough to fit in a single section? -- ReyBrujo (talk) 01:11, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

that would work. Here is a rough list (would need rewording and cleaning up)

The launch board "Xenon" the first version of the board suffered high rrod failure rates.

The first revision "Zepher" added HDMI connector, changed the x-clamp (in an attempt to reduce board flexing and reduce RROD), saw slight hardware changes on the mother board and would see a new version of the heatsink, was only used for about 7 months saw little reduction in rrod hardware failures. About two months into the production of the zepher revisions run the power brick was changed from a 3 prong to 2 prong end. This board was first used to launch the elite model as it had an HDMI port. Slightly later in the production run the core and premium were quitely changed over to use the new board later the core was replaced in the product lineup by the arcade.

The current revision "Falcon" (refrence http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3152) further slight revisons to the x-clamp, main chip die shrink, video chip die shrink, eram die shrink, slight changes to the motherboard layout, newer build dates have 175 watt power bricks instead of the older 203 watt bricks most of the changes were an attempt to reduce rrod and other hardware failure issues. (Note: 175 watt power brick had a diffrent key end on the end that plugs in to the 360 making it impossible to use a 175 watt supply on an older machine.) This revision has been predicted by many to bring the amount of RROD failures to a much more reasonable number although as of the writing (02/08) the revision has not been on the market long enough to prove this. It also helps Microsoft reduce the cost per machine. Typhoon87 (talk) 00:23, 16, February 2008

It's been 2 months since someone requested, and no one has added it to the article. why? This is information that the article is missing. what are you waiting for? --MarioV (talk) 23:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Xbox 360 Arcade paragraph, and quotation marks

I find most of this paragraph to be confusing. I think a little cleanup could make it clearer and more effective, but I hesitate to do so because I don't want to cloud any of its meaning. If someone would care to take a stab at it, I would be appreciative.

The Xbox 360 Arcade,[15] priced at US$279.99,[16] is the replacement for the "Xbox 360 Core".[17] It was publicly revealed (though it was available in stores far earlier)[18] by Microsoft's president of Entertainment Devices devision Robbie Bach to the Financial Times on October 18, 2007,[16] and officially announced on October 22, 2007.[19] It includes a wireless controller, 256 MB memory unit, composite AV cable, HDMI 1.2 output, and 5 Xbox Live Arcade titles.[20] Holiday 2007 consoles, with packaging labeled "Go Play!", are bundled with Boom Boom Rocket, Feeding Frenzy, Luxor 2, Pac-Man Championship Edition, and Uno on a single disk, which also includes a "Welcome Video" and several game trailers/demos.[21]

I also think that the usage of quotes to denote the types of Xbox should either be used uniformly in the article or not at all. Thanks. DeftHand (talk) 08:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

8bitjoystick and the Inside Source on RROD Truth

There has been some confusion as to wither the interview over at [8bitjoystick] should be included in the article, so I thought it best to start a talk topic about it.

As I understand it after reading Wikipedia:Verifiability, the validity of the interview as a source is in question as anybody could have written that interview. 8bitjoystick did predict the Ms and Bungie split and I am not against Blogs as a source of information, but without something that can be verified as a fact we are essentially left with a very well written theory. Now on the Wikipedia:Verifiability page under Reliable sources it says:

All articles must adhere to Wikipedia's neutrality policy, fairly representing all majority and significant-minority viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in rough proportion to the prominence of each view. Tiny-minority views and fringe theories need not be included, except in articles devoted to them.

Which suggests that Xbox 360 is not the article for this theory because it isn't verifiable. However for the Xbox 360 technical problems article, the source is perfectly fine because all that article has to go off, is theories.

Do you (yes you reading this) have any thoughts? --Decompiled (talk) 00:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Is 8bitjoystick a reliable site? If it is, the information can be included in the technical problems article, no need to have it here. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 00:49, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll point to my comment over on WT:VG, but basically, these blog entires in no way are reliable. Wikipedia:Verifiability says that all statements like the one Dibol is adding should be supported by verifiable, reliable sources. If the sources don't meet policy and guidelines, it should be removed from the article, no exceptions. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 00:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I already posted repeatedly that this ex-employee attempted to talk to numerous news outlets in the Verifiability page and completely paraphrased the guy's sentence word for word for why it was not possible. According to him, this is the only way he can give out this information since all of the "official sources" are sitting on their hands thinking they have better things to do.

Here is their response:

Hi everyone. I understand the questions you all have. I hope you understand that it's a bit overwhelming to try and answer everything in real time. After tonight, I'm going to ask Jake (or Jacob?) to field your questions and funnel them to me for answers. Then we can do that in an organized way. But for now, I'm going to try and answer some that I thought were most important.

First, why the secrecy?

MS knows who I am. That's why I'm not concerned about self identifying to them in these postings with details only they would know, as some here have pointed out. The people who founded Xbox hw number 10. 1 left to go be the VP of manufacturing at Qualcomm, 1 left to go be the GM of engineering at Zune, 1 left after only 2 months in ‘99 due to conflicts with toddhol. He works on Surface now. The rest still work on Xbox. I am the only one who left the company entirely.

I am not concerned about MS knowing who I am. They are worried about me revealing their problems. Not the other way around. Plus, I have contacted every single attorney who has filed a lawsuit against MS and offered to help. Some have accepted, and that work is in progress. We'll talk about that in another post. It's very interesting, I just don't want a bunch of fan boys trying to hack my home PC (that I use for work). Harass my kids, call my house, etc.

Second, why now?

Well, it's not just now. I've been reaching out since before the product went into manufacturing. I left before launch. But many employees continued to contact me about the problems with the product and its launch. I did my best to help them figure out how to mitigate the problems caused my bad management decisions, and test the boxes right. Sometimes my ideas worked, sometimes they didn't. I then started to contact reporters. Sometimes it went no where. Sometimes, it resulted in a spectacular thing, like the ambush interview with toddhol just before MS admitted guilt. But still, it happened too slowly for me. That's one reason I'm doing this now.

When those articles were posted last July, I chimed in as a commentator. That's when Jake invited me for an interview. But I didn't see it then. It was only recently when I goog'ed "xboxfounder" on a whim that I found that old invite. So I contacted him to see if he was still interested. I sent him a current resume from my current work email account, and he believed me. If you guys don't, then tell me what you need to see as proof. And I will provide that.

Last: My motivation.

I have always been in a position to stand up for the customer. MS stopped me from doing that. They need to pay the price now. If you guys won't get together and make that happen, you have no hope for the future with them. It's not my fight, but I am here fighting. You decide what you want to do. And then do it!

Established facts: Ex-employee attempted to go through proper media channels, attempted to talk to news outlets, but attempts were for nothing. There's also the fact that Microsoft knows who he is and did not want the early problems to get leaked to the public. He offers to provide testimonial aid to parties suing against Microsoft due to the defective 360s. This is the closest thing you'll get for a reliable source other than whatever lawsuit proceedings there are on cases filed against Microsoft.Dibol (talk) 01:00, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Copying full text can be considered copyvio, so try not to do it. At this time we only care whether 8bitjoystick.com is a reliable source or not. I don't care if this undercovered guy is Billy Gates or if he invented the interview himself. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 01:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

8bitJoystick is a blog, and self-published one at that. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 01:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

If it is not reliable, then it cannot be included. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 01:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry he couldn't media attention for the the problem, but that still doesn't mean he gets a free pass from WP:V and WP:RS. How are we supposed to verify that he's telling the truth about the claims, how he went to the media and got ingored, or even the claim that he's an ex-employee of Microsoft? With the sources you're presenting to us so far, we can't verify anything he said. For all we know, this could be somebody playing a huge hoax on 8bitjoystick. Since it can't be verified, the statement and source has to be removed per Wikipedia:Verifiability. These sources don't get a pass simply because nobody in the mainstream media wanted to talk to this anonymous person. NeoChaosX (talk, walk) 01:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

We don't care if he is saying the truth or not, we only care if he is reliable himself, or is saying it backed by a reliable site. Remember Wikipedia:Verifiability: The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 01:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I have read the article, and my gut feeling is that the anonymous insider is speaking 100% the truth, all the details he is telling are correct. But then , that is just my humble opinion. But why are we assuming that a blog is per definition an unreliable source, true a blog can publish a complete falsehood, but so can a "reliable source". WP:V does not mention blogs as being per definition unreliable, but rather states "In general, the most reliable sources are peer-reviewed journals and books published in university presses; university-level textbooks; magazines, journals, and books published by respected publishing houses; and mainstream newspapers. As a rule of thumb, the greater the degree of scrutiny involved in checking facts, analyzing legal issues, and scrutinizing the evidence and arguments of a particular work, the more reliable it is". If anything a blog is "peer reviewed" to a degree seldom seen in other media. Note also that bloggers now often are seen as having the same status as regular journalists. What I am saying is this, a blog -can- be an unreliable source, if its just an average hobby blog, but there are blogs with a reputation for publishing well researched facts, and this one certainly has that reputation Mahjongg (talk) 01:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

By definition blogs are unreliable, yes. Seldom, they are accepted as temporary sources when relating current news that are not against our policy (but knowing one will pick information later, as determined in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Israel-Lebanon). Sometimes, blogs from the topic of the article can be used (like using the blog of a singer in his article) at the discretion of the editors of the article. However, I don't see this specific blog as trustful, and I ask others whether they think it is or not. The disclaimer in the blog reads Editor's note: This is a P-I Reader Blog. P-I Reader Blogs are not written or edited by the P-I. They are written by readers, for readers. The authors are solely responsible for content. In other words, the media is not supporting the claims of the author. It is like using my personal page at GeoCities in the article about GeoCities because I said there were approximately 1,000 pages with the "ffkdk" string. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 01:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I still think it's a bit steep to call a blog per definition unreliable. Yours was one of the hobby blogs I as referring too, not all blogs are equal. The disclaimer is just standard practice, but the anonymous source is still responsible for what is said so there is also the consideration that if nothing is true of what this source is saying, then why isn't Microsoft suing? Here you can read a bit more about the reliability issue of this particular source of information. [1] Mahjongg (talk) 01:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and what to think of this Wired blog? [2] many more "official" web media are using blogs now. Mahjongg (talk) 02:01, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

(ec x 3)Mind you, I believe there are some trustful blogs, like the Antivirus companies, blogs from programmers, etc. However, for Wikipedia self-published material may, in some circumstances, be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications. Now comes the tricky part: Is he an expert? Has he have previously published works in third party publications? Dean Takahashi is an expert who has published highly technical books about the Xbox family. N'Gai Croal is a highly respected video game columnist at Newsweek, usually contributing to several other very important outlets. Chris Kohler is an expert in video games who has published two books. I am not sure whether the blog owner is considered an expert or an authority about Xbox to have it included as a reference. However, the blog in Wired could be included (however, as I said, it is at the discretion of the users editing the article). If consensus is accepted that Wired Blog is fine enough, I have no problem with it. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 02:06, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

yes, if anybody thinks that 8bitjoystick.com is too "shady" to be a reliable source, then we can just refer to this Wired blog. Its all about referring to what is reported by a reliable enough source, -not- whether what is reported it -true-. I think that for anybody a source of information directly endorsed by a leading magazine (Wired) should be considered a "reliable source".

The problem isn't 8bitjoystick, but the fact that the information has come from an anonymous disgruntled possible-ex-employee. Every blog which has covered this has labelled it with "rumour", because the statements are unfounded. There have been rumours that Barack Obama is a fundamentalist muslim, keen on destroying American from within. It's not a reliable enough source in the slightest. - hahnchen 17:46, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't matter, you still do not get it. We are not reporting it as a fact all in itself, we are reporting that there -is- such a rumour floating around. and we are getting that information (that there is this rumour floating around) from a reliable source, namely wired. Again, see Wikipedia:Verifiability: The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth.. Also for the web-sites calling this a "rumour" is simple self protection, given the volatile nature of this "rumour". Regarding your Barack Obama example, who says we are not reporting about that either! see Barack_Obama_presidential_campaign,_2008#False_claims_concerning_Obama.27s_religious_background Mahjongg (talk) 22:34, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

8bitjoystiq has started a rumour, any mention should include language to clarify the dubious nature of the rumour. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wageslave (talk • contribs) 20:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually the source for my article had only talked to one other reporter covering Microsoft before talking to me.

My articles on 8bitjoystick.com are Creative Commons Licensed an are free to be used here.

Also Microsoft's Gamerscoreblog.com has 8bitjoystick's podcast linked to on their video podcast page. Here is a photo of me and Chris from Gamerscore blog at PAX 07 on the Gamerscoreblog flickr page. [3]

The Seattle PI has told me that they have no issues with my Seattle PI reader blog Digital Joystick that is a syndication of 8bitjoystick.com. In fact Seattle PI Microsoft reporter Todd Bishop gave me credit in print for me breaking the Bungie/Microsoft split a week early.

In fact that the Seattle PI likes my blog so much that they have it syndicated across the AP press feed lines. Articles that I write on 8bitjoystick.com go out on Google News and other AP news subscribers.--8bitJake (talk) 03:21, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Whoever Erased my Hexic HD edit is stupid

you have Wii sports as 18 million and thats a pack in, Hexic HD is a pack in with any 360 with a HDD, so yes, it has sold as much —Preceding unsigned comment added by PseudoKirby (talk • contribs) 08:35, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

However, Wii Sports is sold in Japan as a standalone game. Hexic HD is a free game, otherwise we would have Minesweeper as the best selling game ever created. Also, Microsoft did not sell 17.7 million of premium or elite packs, they have sold a good amount of core as well, so that Hexic number is wrong. Finally, we don't consider downloadable games in the best-selling lists. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 08:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Your edit also replaced a reference tag name with soemthing else that caused a cite error on the page. I don't know if you intended to or not, but it appeared to be vandalism and was reverted. And ditto to what ReyBrujo said. Lightsup55 ( T | C ) 10:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

If you can provide a reliable source for the number of copies Hexic HD has sold on Xbox 360 then nobody will question your edit. --Decompiled (talk) 15:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Hexic HD is also a purchasable game for those that bought the core

and wii sports could have been a Downloadable game, its simple enough, Nintendo just slapped together something and its crap, but that SHOULD NOT MATTER, its a game, its a pack in, the number of premiums should also reflect the number of copes Hexic has sold PseudoKirby (talk) 21:38, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Could have, but isn't. Please read Wikipedia:No original research whenever you have time. We cannot assume, we need references. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 01:12, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Japan gets 360 arcade sku

The arcade sku is getting released in japan at the same time sony are releasing the "silver satin" PS3. I dont have links as i've only just remembered seeing this - will add it at a later date if no one beats me to it.--DJ Smiley (talk) 12:58, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Game history

No other consoles have there game history on the main page (of that console), only on other PAGES --Jay^Tur₁ (Contribs) 19:27, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

The game libary should be removed. --Jay^Tur₁ (Contribs) 17:02, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:POINT? NimiTiz_e 02:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Why? The problem with that game library is that it is not limited in time. As more games are released, more games will be added, making the section even larger. If it were the launching games, it would be different. As it is, I am afraid more and more games will be added (especially those with many fans). -- ReyBrujo (talk) 02:54, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Xbox repairs

Now that the Xbox core edition has been discontinued, does this mean that the core version will now be replaed with the Arcade version on repair? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.227.138 (talk) 18:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

At this time no, they have a stock of older machines. In the future this may happen. Typhoon87 (talk) 00:35, 26 February 2008

Early xbox 360 Core systems included the "Xenon" Motherboard like the Pro SKU. Then the Core got the "Zephyr" Motherboard when it got HDMI. Now the Arcade SKU packs a "Falcon" Motherboard. You are going to get the same kind of Xbox motherboard back from Microsoft when it gets "Repaired". Actually Microsoft has several million broken Xenons in their hardware repair cycle. --8bitJake (talk) 04:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned peer review

There is an orphaned peer review that is not listed in the article milestones, see Wikipedia:Peer review/Xbox 360/archive4 (November 2006 apparently). -- ReyBrujo (talk) 22:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Sales

"However, despite these sales figures, Microsoft's gaming division is losing money. Through 2005, the Xbox gaming division had lost over $4 billion.[86] However, Microsoft expects the console will start making money in 2008.[87] The losses are due to the market strategy of selling consoles below cost in order to obtain market saturation and gain profits on software and peripherals that have a much higher profit margin.[88][89] Also notable is that Microsoft has taken a charge of $1 billion dollars on its June 2007 Income Statement to account for the cost of replacing bricked Xbox 360s.[90]" (this is from the sales part of the article)

Definite hint of bias. Terms like "bricked" should be avoided as readers may not understand this terminology. Present tense should be eliminated as it detracts from credibility. Final sentence seems to be defending lackluster earnings, either remove sentence or remove sense of protecting the corporation. Should either be removed or edited to remove bias and subpar encyclopedic writing. ~~Anonymous~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.10.3 (talk) 21:50, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Brick is a word to define the term, if the system is broken or disposed. NimiTiz_e 21:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't read like it has an obvious bias. It is an explanation of what exactly is going on. Selling consoles below cost is a valid market strategy that even Sony uses with it's PS2 and PS3. As for the usage of bricked, I'll have a look into whether it needs clarification or a reference, although I think generally anyone will know bricked means busted. Chan Yin Keen | Talk 10:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Bricked has an entry in wikipedia (as you can see), its a common term. Mahjongg (talk) 13:34, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Machines with heat failure are not "bricked". That should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wageslave (talk • contribs) 20:46, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

The term "Bricked" ususally denotes a software or BIOS problem. While the RROD is a hardware failure such as fried memory or a melted CPU joint. --8bitJake (talk) 04:18, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Is this information still correct? The latest earnings report from Microsoft reported a nice profit from their entertainment division which includes the Xbox 360. Microsoft does not break down this units sales by entity, but it seems the 360 might have actually made a profit last quarter for the first time. See reference here: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080125-gaming-profitable-once-again-as-microsoft-reports-earnings.html It sounds like they've netted $500 million in profits from the entertainment division in the last 2 quarters and expect that number to keep going up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.30.135.1 (talk) 13:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I guess it's time to update the section. Chan Yin Keen | Talk 14:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Xbox 360 user category nominated for deletion

Since the nominator wasn't kind enough to notify anyone here,

The related Category:Wikipedians who like Xbox 360 has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the User categories for Discussion page.

cheers. xenocidic (talk) 14:55, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Xbox 360 has sold 18 Million

John Schappert: I think that we've sold 18 million, the last time I've checked. 18 million hardware units worldwide.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=93248 http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=33415 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.178.97.83 (talk) 18:38, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

http://kotaku.com/359527/18-million-360s-sold-worldwide --Elven6 (talk) 22:43, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Um. No the Xbox 360 only sold 17 million so far. I know Wikipedia would update the Xbox 360 is that was true. Kylee20051 (talk) 01:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

He thinks they've sold that much. Based on the citatable sources, he's not far wrong, but his guess isn't suitable for updating our numbers. Sockatume (talk) 01:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Schappert is a reliable source, he works at Microsoft, has access to the numbers, and more important, he can speak in the name of Microsoft. Therefore, even though he may be doubtful, the number is valid. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 01:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Err, no. "I think that we've sold X" clearly isn't a reliable figure, it's a guess, regardless of who's making it. I'd take "definitely 17m" over "probably 18m" any day of the week, for all the difference it makes to the number itself. Sockatume (talk) 02:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

If it is said by a blogger, it is not. It is said by a Microsoft representant in an interview, it is good enough. We don't require truth, we only require verifiability, and we can verify he said 18 million. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 10:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

The man *works* for Microsoft. And, he checked. The last time he did, they had sold 18M. There is no better sopurce, or no more clear language. I Disagree with Sockatume. As for "kylee20051", he clearly doesnt know how Wikipedia works.

The sales figure most certainly should change to be 18M. In fact, it should be "over 18M" because the 18M mark had been reached "last time he checked".

What we see here is an example of what is the problem with this article. Known, verifiable, reliable information is being mixed in with POV and opinion. Langauge should be used to show what is GOOD information and what is POV and OPINION.

Examples include the speculation on failure-rates and their causes. What MSFT says and what urban-web-legends say should be clearly identified.

Wageslave (talk) 20:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Here's another articel saying that xbox sold 18 million: It's german but from de.msn.com:

http://tech.de.msn.com/spiele/spielenews_artikel.aspx?cp-documentid=7769963 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.62.247.54 (talk) 14:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Xbox 360 Divx Support

I think that this should be added to the Multimedia chapter in this article. Please visit this site as reference:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/xbox-360-divx%5Cxvid-test/xbox-360-divxxvid-playback-tested-verdict-its-almost-perfect-329769.php

By the the way. I try this and works perfectly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Augusto.cabrera (talk • contribs) 20:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable. But don't forget to add in the fact that it's not flawless. One problem will pop up sooner or later. Farslayer (talk) 12:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I've watched several full legnth movies that were DIVX encoded AVIs (That I totally got from legitamate soures) that didn't have any playback problems. --8bitJake (talk) 02:54, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

80 GB model?

On the ticker at the bottom of the screen on G4 over the weekend was a bit about a possible 80 GB model of the 360? Is there any additional information on this possibility? Sadly, I cannot for the life of me remember the source G4 was citing for this what I'm guessing is a rumor, unless it's been confirmed and I am just in the dark. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 01:41, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

It's a rumor at this point. Another rumor is a 60 Gig HD on the pro. We will just have to wait and see.--8bitJake (talk) 20:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 20:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

It looks like the new Hard drive is going to be 60 gigs. It's not official yet. --8bitJake (talk) 04:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

HD-DVD drive

This paragraph:

On February 22, 2008, Toshiba announced that it will discontinue manufacturing HD DVD equipment, which affects the Xbox 360, as it supports HD DVD format. According to Toshiba, this will help settle the war between HD DVD and Blu Ray formats. On February 26, 2008, the price of the HD DVD player for the Xbox 360 dropped from $129.99 to $49.99. This comes just two days after Microsoft confirmed that they would no longer produce the HD DVD player.

References:

Makes claims unsupported by the links, and does not reflect reality. It should be changed and a NPOV restored.

Wageslave (talk) 18:18, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I have removed the paragraph completely for the following reasons: its an accessory not hardware, its mentioned below and it, as you said, is quite innacurate Chocobogamer (talk) 21:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Special Editions

Does anyone know whatever became of the 300 Special Edition XBOX 360? It's not listed with the other two, and I know that it was produced as a "special" edition.Gyrferret (talk) 03:19, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Well both it and the Simsons edition are extremely limited custom runs for promotional purposes and never actually sold to the public. Hello Kitty Crystal Xbox One on the other hand was actually sold on store shelves --8bitJake (talk) 04:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Grand Theft Auto IV edition Xbox consoles http://www.complex.com/blogs/2008/03/20/xbox-drops-500-limited-edition-gta-iv-360s/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.13.57.129 (talk) 04:58, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

That looks Photoshopped.--8bitJake (talk) 05:23, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

The Xbox is white. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.144.195 (talk) 06:43, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

RROD

Its Red Ring Of Doom not Ring Of Light! --BRTman666 (talk) 11:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC)BRTman666

No, its called the ring of light by Microsoft. People call it the ring of doom because of how often the error occurs. Like the blue screen of death. Chocobogamer (talk) 11:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Colloquialisms are not Wikipedia worthy. Goto the page on "Vagina" and see how many times the word "vagina" is replaced by popular slang terms.

"Ring of death" or "ring of doom" should be removed completely from all these pages.

Wageslave (talk) 16:37, 25 March 2008 (UTC)