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When listing a template here, don't forget to add {{tfd|TemplateName}} to the template or its talk page, and to give notice of its proposed deletion at relevant talk pages, as per the TFD Instructions.

August 7

Template:OriginalResearch (and Category:Original research disputes)

"The novelty of research or terms used in this article is disputed." This is a rather obscure (and mostly unused) form of dispute resolution, and we already have far too many confusing variations on {{disputed}}. Radiant_>|< 08:53, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

  • Seems like a perfectly appropriate way to identify cases of alleged original research. Also I don't see how it's a form of dispute resolution, since it simply directs users to the talk page. Thus, unless it actually does overlap with another template, keep. -- Visviva 13:38, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 6

Template:US Trade Representative

Delete, Unneeded overspecialization of Template:Succession box. I have converted everything that used it so succession box so it is completely uneeded. gren グレン 20:18, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:MP3Search.Ru

Delete. Unused, currently blank. Created by Mike garcia, never correctly debugged, as far as I can see. From November 2004. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Template:The West Wing (TV)

Delete. Unused. Currently blank. Has been replaced in article with a table. No likelihood of ongoing use. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Template:Please leave this line alohehehehene (tutorial sandbox heading)

Delete. Unused, daft, currently blank, probably regrettable. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Template:Stub-stub

Delete. Unused, daft, regrettable. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Template:Alsace infobox

Redundant with Template:Infobox French Région that could be used on Alsace instead. For a discussion see also WikiProject French régions. -- User:Docu

  • The template Template:Infobox French Région was used for only 3 of the 26 régions of France, whereas the other 23 régions have each a specific infobox which is more detailed and better laid out than the generic Template:Infobox French Région, so I am puting specific infoboxes for the three remaining régions. It's better to have specific infoboxes for each région rather than a generic infobox for all the régions because each région has its own peculiarities, and one generic infobox cannot do the job (some régions need footnotes, some don't, some régions are made up of several départements, while some régions are monodepartmental, etc.). Hardouin 15:52, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep-This infobox is much better laid out then Template:Infobox French Région and it is also much more detailed. If Template:Infobox French Région really is only used on three articles, I think IT should be up for deletion. Sometimes, people here try too hard to standardize things and over-standardization (is that a word?) can sometimes lead to decreased quality, as is shown with Template:Infobox French Région IMO. --Gpyoung talk 16:14, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Didn't all Regions used to use Template:Infobox French Région? It is fairly easy to add additional fields to the infobox. If an infobox can be made for all countries it should be easy for French regions.-- User:Docu
  • Like Gpyoung rightly said, sometimes people try too hard to standardize things, for no real reason. Individual infoboxes take more time to design in the first place, but then they are much more flexible in use than a generic infobox. Besides, I would like to point out that the infoboxes for French régions were all designed with the same format, so if you check several French régions, you'll have the impression the infobox is a unique standardized infobox, whereas in fact it is specific to each région. So we get both the benefit of standardization (uniform format) and the benefit of specific infoboxes (flexibility). Hardouin 16:40, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Switzerland infobox

Unused. Redundant with Template:Infobox Country used on Switzerland. -- User:Docu

Template:Liechtenstein infobox

Unused. Redundant with Template:Infobox Country used on Liechtenstein. -- User:Docu

Template:FOAL

A misspelling of the Template:FAOL (Featured Articles in Other Languages) (see Wikipedia:Featured articles in other languages. CG 09:24, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Template:U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs

Template:Democracy

August 5

Template:Scientific classification

Delete, well-meaning, but inappropriate way to generate taxoboxes. Currently linked by two articles that I will soon have converted. Circeus 16:44, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

  • Conditional Keep-It seems like a good idea and a good thing to have. If it isnt quite up to speed, I think it can definatly be fixed and brought up to standard. I dont quite understand your link about the Taxoboxes, so that is why I voted conditional keep. If you can show that there is a better way to do it, I will change my vote. --Gpyoung talk 17:47, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chicagoland

Delete: This template is unnecessary. We already have one for the City of Chicago and one for the state of Illinois which lists both the Chicagoland region and most of the cities in the regions. Having potentially three regional templates on a page ({{Chicago}} {{Illinois}} and {{Chicagoland}}) just seems excessive. Plus, the template isnt even fell formatted. --Gpyoung talk 03:24, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. Parts of Chicagoland lie within Indiana and Wisconsin. — Instantnood 14:50, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The template is informative. The easy solution is for {{Chicago}}to replace {{Chicagoland}} in articles about Chicago. --goethean ॐ 15:35, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think the base problem here needs a better solution. Very often you have a city and other governments that frequently go by the name of the city or other names. There is a lot of overlap. I hope this discussion becomes a step on the road to fixing the overall problem. In looking at the template in question, I don't see it as a big issue so I'd vote Keep but maybe someone needs to make sure that only one of the two local ones listed above is used in an article. Vegaswikian 19:53, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. As Instantnood mentioned, this template is helpful for those regions of Chicagoland stretching into other states. --BaronLarf 18:36, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose Keep. Chicagoland comprises a significant proportion of the Illinois population as well as serves a navigational purpose for many chicagoland related pages. — oo64eva (Alex) (U | T | C) @ 18:39, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. Could people please use Keep or Delete, rather than Oppose? It makes it harder to know if you are opposing the templates nomination (i.e. want to Keep it) or opposing it's existence (i.e. want to Delete it). I think it is usually the former, but I would rather not have to interpret every comment just to be sure. Thanks. Dragons flight 21:39, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete and categorize. An uncertainly defined list, as the discussion of Rockford, Illinois on its talkpage shows; without the advantage of a list article in discussing doubtlful cases. Septentrionalis 21:50, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Chicagoland has over 8 million residents. I think that it would deserve a template. --67.173.128.161 03:23, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, which I've already taken the liberty of doing, into Template:Chicago. I think it looks much better and is more compact this way.--Pharos 04:07, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Useful template. If too many templates is the concern, there is already a link to Chicagoland in Template:Chicago, so eliminate Template:Chicagoland from City of Chicago articles. Suburb articles would not have Template:Chicago, so again, only two templates. If formatting or content is the concern, these could have been discussed on talk or changed (compliments to User:Pharos on the latter). HollyAm 22:20, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 4

Template:Minplan and Template:Minplan2

No longer useful, as the Template:mp and Template:mpl do exactly the same thing and are better shorthand. Urhixidur 22:30, 2005 August 4 (UTC)

Template:Warning

"This category lists articles that may be illegal in some jurisdictions". That's very nice, but WP:NOT censored so this doesn't require a template as such. Also, looks like article text, and isn't actively in use. Radiant_>|< 10:45, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

  • Comment: This is probably an issue that requires the Foundation to get involved in. There is definately information on the Wikipedia that is illegal in some form, and other info that is probably borderline. Is it better to have the warning, or should we assume that only the laws of the US apply? BlankVerse ∅ 14:57, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This should be handled by a general disclaimer. Who is to decide which articels need this warning? Are we liable if we put it on soem articles but not others? If a vandal removes the wrning for a time? This template is not the way to handle such issues, IMO. DES (talk) 15:12, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, until the Foundation resolves this kind of thing for us. At which point, add a mention somewhere prominent in the interface. -Splash 19:42, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The big problem area I see is Nazi-related stuff being displayed in Germany, but this is the sort of thing that needs an official decision by teh Foundation, not an ad-hoc tagging effort. --Carnildo 22:45, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Looks like another disclaimer template. --cesarb 14:32, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Major Cities of Tamil Nadu

Very subjective box. People have started including their cities arbitrarily. District headquarters in Tamil Nadu or some such list would be more objective. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 03:54, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Book info

Infoboxes are useful when there is some information to tabulate. Not really the case here. Fairly trivial information that can be included in a short paragraph.

  • Delete. ed g2s • talk 01:12, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (maybe closer to a Weak Keep). I agree, the information can be included in a free text statement. From a database point of view, though, organizing information in this manner assists in determining the shape of Wikipedia's coverage in this area. Therefore, I support a keep not on the notion that it greatly assists the reader, but on the basis of the potential assistance provided to editors and researchers. Courtland 10:03, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
    • That's not what infoboxes are for, this is why we have categories. ed g2s • talk 12:13, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Categories cannot accomplish what I stated. Infoboxes, template tags, and cross-referring wikilinks provide a fine level of detail which is accessible to database queries that categories do not reach and should not, as categories are primarily (in my opinion) for the assistance of readers finding related articles and high level organization of topic spaces. Courtland 20:32, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong delete Many books have multiple editions, with different editions having different publishers, different years, and different numbers of pages. There is no way for such an info box to accomodate that in a reasonable space, I think. I presume that this box is intended for use only when a book is the actual subject of the article, but that is precisely when the issue of multiple editions is most likely to come up, because it is in such an article that that info is most relevant. Also this template doesn't include a space for the ISBN, but that is also edition-specific. A template that gives a text rendition in a nice standard format for putting in bibliographic lists (and handles missing info well) would be a good thing. This template isn't the way to go, IMO. DES (talk) 15:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per DES. But I think some standard way of representing the information in textual form for each edition would be a nice thing to design. -Splash 19:42, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete There is the possibility that it can be useful for the more popular fiction books, however, since these are being reprinted over and again, the given stats may not be completely accurate. If this is kept, it should be restricted to the original publication of the book.
    While I'm on the subject, re DES, {{Book reference}} isn't suitable enough for the use which {{Book info}} is being used. The former was created for reference lists, not general book details. --JB Adder | Talk 09:59, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment Oh I agree that {{Book reference}} isn't suitable for use on an article about the particular book, I was mentioning it in response to my own comment above about A template that gives a text rendition in a nice standard format for putting in bibliographic lists which I took Splash to be agreeing with. This is really a side issue as far as this template goes, however. As for use on popular fiction books, see for example Aubrey-Maturin series and the various "editions" sub-sections. Actually this might be more use on the sort of large academic books that are rarely if ever re-issued. But no kind of book is guarenteed to appear in only a single edition. If this is kept, I would advise adding a line for the ISBN. DES (talk) 15:08, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 3

Template:Rebellion

A huge template attempting to list every rebellion in history, and being placed in each of their articles. Is someone reading about the Great Jewish Revolt really going to be interested in Pontiac's Rebellion? - SimonP 14:50, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Delete. The choice of rebellions is arbitrary, the template is far too long and unwieldy, so it turns the articles into a mess. -Ghirlandajo 15:00, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I read "Some consider it to be the first modern revolution" at Revolt of the Comuneros and thought some perspective would be useful. At Rebellion I found a list of rebellions and thought it would provide a useful context in a template in each listed rebellion. There is too little understanding of historical context. Everything is called the first or the greatest or the sole this or that. There is a continuity and repetiveness in historical events not appreciated and therefore not looked for. If its tucked away somewhere the typical reader won't even know to look for it. Retitle to famous rebellions maybe? shorten maybe? break into more than one template maybe? All quite reasonable possibilities. Meanwhile I'll stop adding the template to articles until a consensus forms. WAS 4.250 15:11, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete It might well be approipriate to have a link to Rebellion in each of these articles, that readers could follow for historical perspective. When a sentence such as the above appears it could be deleted with a mention of the list to give perspective, unless the statement is sourced -- If some people are documeted to really consider that "the first modern revolution" then their views need to be reported, although reasons why others hold other views should be included, and the facts pointed out for historical perspective. But this template is much to blunt a weapon for this purpose. DES (talk) 15:18, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I do think that a template linking to Rebellion and Category:Rebellion would be useful; but this is not it.Septentrionalis 15:43, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. It is basically a list of non-related events which may be called as rebellion. A list may be useful, even if the term itself is vague, but to put it as template in every article is clutter, keeping in mind that in fact there were hundreds of rebellions. mikka (t) 16:12, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Link or Category would be useful instead. - The sentence:"Some consider it to be the first modern revolution" was omitted, why? You may disagree with the opinion, but even the template list actually would support a view that this position might be a valid one to argue about. Was it the first modern one? There would be a lot to discuss, a topic for a seminar perhaps. But why not leave the sentence in and challenge the reader at least to think about this? You do not have to agree.Ekem 16:30, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The template is absolutely unnecessary. A category would probably be enough. KNewman 16:45, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong delete. This is why we have categories. The list is much too long, and it is entirely incomplete. There were over 60 rebellions in Germany in the 13-14th century alone. There are 1000s and 1000s of Rebellions. They are only meaningful as a group when put into context, for example Popular revolt in late medieval Europe.
  • Delete. and/or move the information to an ordinary page like "List of rebellions" as suggested by mikka. One problem though is that not all rebellions are seen as rebellions by all because it presupposes that the uprising is against a legitimate government which is not always the case and that opens up POV disputes. -- Philip Baird Shearer 17:59, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • 'Comment I would call an armed uprising agaisnt a regime that was in effective control a revolt or a rebellion, regardless of the ligitimacy or otherwise of the regime. The action by the inhabitants of the Wassaw Ghetto agaisnt the Nazi occupying force I would call a revolt, althouhg it is hard to think of a less legitimate "government". That said, the user of the terms "rebellion" or "revolt" does sometiems involve PoV issues. But no more than with many issues involving war and government. DES (talk) 18:32, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to List Page. Dragons flight 18:40, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
    • Delete -- the information would make an appropriate list and Famous Rebellions or Rebellions a good category, but the template is a case of "too much information." WBardwin 19:52, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Categorify and delete, or just delete if there is already a cat. -Splash 19:35, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete jengod 21:47, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

The consensus is clear. I humbly suggest that those who have shown they know better than I how to handle this issue lead by example rather than words. I assure all I will follow such behavior. WAS 4.250 22:43, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 2

Template:Lynch

Another director template, same reasons as the previous directors templates see the previous discussion here. Categorize and delete. ∞Who?¿? 18:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Keep!. I've used the same argument every time a template for a major film director has come up (and will keep using it). Many of the average vistors to the Wikipedia who will look at one film by a director will also want to look up one or more other films by the same director. Instead of forcing that to be a two step process (either going to a category or to the director's main page), it is much easier to work with a well-designed navigation template. BlankVerse ∅ 12:57, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for consistency. I very much agree with BlankVerse, and the deletion of the other templates does decrease the wiki's navagational functionality. However, if we are voting on this template, there is no reason why Lynch should have one if Spielberg, Hitch and Kubrick are denied one. The JPS 13:25, 3 August 2005 (UTC) Keep pending advanced discussion. The JPS 17:57, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Same reson as for the shark template below, interesting that BlankVerse has a strong keep for this and a delete for the shark one. The only different is that there are 350+ species of sharks, but there will never be that many wikipedia articles. I think we need to do something about nav templates, as it is now this is very chaotic and non consistant, I suggest to implement a list of related articles that can be under the 'in other languages' box. Then it will not take much space and can be much longer than a nav template today. Not sure if it can be done with wikimedia today, I asked at Wikipedia:Bug_report, no answer yet. Stefan 04:14, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep For better overview and navigation. --ThomasK 09:20, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment: There needs to be some policy on director's templates. The wiki should be consistent, and this template shouldn't be kept if Hitch et. al. were deleted. Again, I vehemently agree with the keep votes. The JPS 15:48, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very Strong Keep For ThomasK's reasons and the fact that any sort of easy-to-read template always makes the wiki more user-friendly and presents information immediately. I also urge very, very strongly to reinstate the other deleted director templates, which I felt were very helpful and I was shocked to see them go. It's a shame we have people who actually think that making the wiki less legible is a good idea. KEEP THESE TEMPLATES!!! Gsgeorge 16:23, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional delete. While I'm unhappy that useful director templates keep being deleted, it's unfair if this template stays and other director templates go. Either delete this template or undelete Spielberg, Hitchcock et al. --Titoxd 22:52, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is a problem, yes. This TFD has generated quite an interest for the 'keep' camp, and it might be worth continuing it elsewhere to achieve some sort of consistency. Hopefully we can get the other templates reinstated, and the deletionists/anti-template brigade will leave us alone. The JPS 23:04, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per Hitch, Spielberg, etc JW 22:53, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stong Keep. The template aids in user naviagation, conveys information and is compact. "Consistency" can not be a reason to delete this template, since the other director template have only been remove recently, and discussion has only just begun. --Commander Keane 06:43, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
  • Categorify and delete for consistency and easier navigating. Radiant_>|< 16:55, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
    • Clicking an additional link each time a user wants to switch articles is meant to be easier? Keep the category too: we should maximise the wiki's capabilities. The consistency argument (to which I was a subcriber) is redundant now that there are more keep participants (for a possible undelete and wider policy discussion) The JPS 17:14, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:NMGovernors

Why is this needed? Many of the pages don't even exist that are listed in the template. --WikiFan04Talk 3:11, 3 Aug 2005 (CDT)

August 1

Template:Sharks

This template have not been deleted but removed from all articles by Gdr. The template is a navigational template, it have been discussed before and now GDR thinks there is a consensus since one user was agains and one for removal adding his agains that was a consensus, so he used his bot to remove (not delete) it. See discussion at Template talk:Sharks. I have stated my point there as has he, or stan opinion that GDR agrees with. I can not start a edit war with a admin with a bot so I found this place and though this was a good place to discuss. Also see my suggestion to add nav links under language links? not sure if possible, probably better than this template but that is not the vote. This vote is either for deletion and not usage of the template or for keeping and adding the template back to the articles where it was removed from. Stefan 13:05, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Preview

Delete: It is listed as a template message for the user talk namespace, but it is too large to put on a user's talk page. It is also just a redirect to Wikipedia:Show preview, which makes it somewhat redundant. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 01:59, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

July 31

Template:Noteworthy Artscene Groups

Should be deleted per WP:CLS#Article_series_boxes. Lists six out of nine arbitrarily selected groups from Category:Artscene groups. Only two users have ever edited it, it's clearly POV. --ZeroOne 13:56, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Stuyvesant High School infobox and Template:Stuyvesant High School infobox2

Delete: Not used anywhere. Presumably Template:Stuyvesant High School infobox2 doesn't need to be a template either? I haven't listed this second one, but surely the code should just be dumped into the article itself? (sorry - my first time in the TfD zone!) Bobbis 22:40, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete move used one to article sub page, or use other available template boxes that perform same function. Redirect un-used one to sub-page. ∞Who?¿? 00:38, 1 August 2005 (UTC) update vote ∞Who?¿? 04:48, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Subst: and delete, obviously only subst:ing the used one (infobox2). These are specific to one article. I have added the other one to this TfD too, there's no need to separate them. I have also notified the article's talk, the creator's talk and the templates' talk pages. -Splash 01:34, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the second one but move it to the first one's name. Templates used on only a single page are permissible if the content they represent is sufficiently complicated as to clutter the page source and interfere with editting. I may have an unusually low threshold for judging this, but 30+ lines of table code right at the start of an article is sufficiently complicated for me that I would rather see this kept as a template. Dragons flight 02:40, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
    • Ah, did you see the code that is now on Stuyvesant High School page? It's been changed to an infobox. Therefore, there is no need for either of these two templates. -Hyad 05:47, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
      • Okay, if they want the infobox version then delete both. Dragons flight 23:12, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Personal opinion: There should be a Wikipedia Policy that any single-use template for an article should be a subpage of that article and then transcluded from there. Therefore my vote is to move to article subpage(s). BlankVerse ∅ 15:25, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am persuaded by User:BlankVerse's argument. So Move to subpage per User:BlankVerse. for the template in current use. Delete the currently unused template. DES 15:31, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • User:BlankVerse's idea is an excellent one, and I too am persuded by it. So Move to subpage per User:BlankVerse, for the template in current use. Delete the currently unused template. -Splash 15:34, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move the one being used to a subpage and then Delete the redirect and other name per User:BlankVerse. Vegaswikian 00:19, 2 August 2005 (UTC) Speedy Delete both. Neither one is being used and they are too specific to be used in any other articles. Vegaswikian 19:37, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. There is no need for either template as both the html text has been converted to a wiki-friendly infobox on the Stuyvesant High School page on August 1st. -Hyad 05:47, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete both The Stuyvesant High School article—if it exists—should be using the one of the school infoboxes, not creating their own. --JB Adder | Talk 10:13, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete both. Can't seem to agree that this a template. Agree with the aboveLacrymology 10:34:26, 2005-08-05 (UTC)

July 30

Template:Technical limitation redirect

A strange reversed version of {{wrongtitle}}. See [1] for an example of how it was being used, and Talk:Pokémon#Redirect due to "technical limitations" for previous discussion. --cesarb 23:40, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Japanese

This template is a Japanese language table. The idea has been brought up before at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_for_Japan-related_articles#Template_for_articles_Japanese_terms. People who responded were unanimously opposed. --Tokek 23:01, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep. It looks like the discussion you've linked to was related to {{Japanesename}}, not this template. Skimming the discussion, it seems the opposition was focused on the fact that the other template was cluttered due to the extra transliterations. Perhaps this smaller, less cluttered box with only one transliteration would be more acceptable. If it were used consistently, I think it could be useful. —HorsePunchKid→龜 (かめ, kame ;) 23:48, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I applied this template on the Suikoden article if people want to see what it looks like in context. I think it's fairly unobtrusive. I will revert here if consensus is to delete the template. —HorsePunchKid→龜 00:03, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • The discussion linked was about the exact same idea. As mentioned in the older discussion, the format "term (kanji romaji)" suits Japanese-related articles well, while for other languages, a table might add value. If Japanese tables are to be kept, however, merge {{Japanesename}} and {{Japanese}}, or delete one. --Tokek 04:50, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the discussion was about the same basic idea, but as I said, the objections appeared to be largely about the fact that the box was cluttered (due to excess transliterations). My point was that because this template is substantially different in that respect, the unanimity in rejecting the other template is not as relevant as you implied. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. I agree that one or the other should go, in any event. —HorsePunchKid→龜 05:15, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the arguments made against the idea of using tables still hold irrespective of table size. "Lesser obtrusiveness" would be a reason for me to vote "slightly weaker delete." --Tokek 08:47, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: This may sound silly, but I think that if these templates are kept and merged, the final name should probably be something more like {{kanji-info}}. As BlankVerse has pointed out, Japanese is too vague, and Japanesename is too specific (not that that would necessarily limit how people apply it). I think kanji-info would be a good target name, since (presumably) the only people who would be adding this template would know the term kanji, and further, kanji-info makes it more clear what the purpose of the template is. —HorsePunchKid→龜 02:51, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
As an alternative, maybe a template like the one I've put up in my sandbox might be more appropriate. It contains basically the same information. The only problem is that both the wiki markup and the output are necessarily rather large. —HorsePunchKid→龜 03:09, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Er... that's a pretty spartan template... also doesn't reference katakana 132.205.44.43 19:31, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think kanji-info would work too well, if the kanji portion said "none" to inform the reader that this cannot be rendered in kanji... 132.205.44.43 19:38, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for commenting! The version I made is spartan specifically so that it can be used inline, perhaps as a way of ensuring consistent formatting in articles with Japanese terms renderable in kanji in their titles, if that makes any sense. There is no reference to katakana because they are not (as far as I'm aware) used for furigana, except possibly to distinguish on and kun readings, which I don't think is important here. But we could just have the link go to kana instead of hiragana, if it's an issue. —HorsePunchKid→龜 05:06, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. — Instantnood 14:54, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. It's possible that there are specific articles where this would come in handy. Until then, it isn't doing any harm, and it isn't likely to be confused with anything else. -- Visviva 13:50, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

July 29

Template:PD-awio

This template seems to misunderstand the concept of public domain. kmccoy (talk) 06:31, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Agree with Kmccoy. Evil Monkey∴Hello 06:38, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Assumes that when released info will automatically will be public domain, seems like a misunderstanding of public domain. Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 06:44, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Agree, this is apparently a misunderstanding of PD.--Pharos 06:46, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or at least rename. The authorities release these images into the public domain, but if people are uncomfortable with the p/d bit perhaps the tag could be called "released for information" minus the p/d part. I'd say that these images -are- public domain myself because the owners of the image intend for it to be used everywhere, to gain publicity. --PopUpPirate 19:05, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
    • "Public domain" and "display everywhere" are two very different things. If an image is in the public domain, you can modify it to make derivative works. If it's released for display everywhere, no modification is permitted. --Carnildo 19:15, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • They are not public domain. Frequently, a press releases or similar material is disseminated without restrictions on copying (i.e. encouraging broad distribution), but users are forbidden from modifying the material or making excerpts from it (except as allowed under fair use, etc). Material released by the US government and related agencies is public domain under {{PD-USGov}} however. Dragons flight 19:19, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
      • Material created by the US government and related agencies is public domain. Saying "released" makes it sound like an image released by the FBI is automatically PD, which it is not, for the reasons noted above. kmccoy (talk) 19:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, as above. Dragons flight 19:19, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Non Notables In Image

Pure madness.--Eloquence* 02:50, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Test7

Unnecessary and confrontational. We've done fine up until now with templates test and test2-test5. Jtdirl has created Template:Test6 and Template:Test7 with no discussion. Test7 is particularly problematic because we never ban IP addresses indefinitely, except in the case of open proxies. Calling someone a "serial vandal" is not likely to make them change their ways. Rhobite 01:05, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

  • keep This template was created to deal with a specific problem over a user who repeatedly appeared to write comments on the page of a user who is gay, accusing him of being a faggot, and implicitly accusing him of child abuse. He has already been blocked indefinitely by other users. Tonight I imposed a 24 hour ban. He promptedly came back under a new IP and began adding in other homophobic abuse on pages. (The user being attacked on principle does not like people protecting his page.) But something had to be done to stop the vandal. This problem does occasionally occur. No amount of polite appeals were going to stop this individual. Nor was the vandalism a minor matter. Some people might see the vandalism and going on the old addage about no smoke without fire might think, utterly incorrectly in that case, that the user in question had engaged in, or was a defender of, under-age sex with children . The best tactic in this case was to put an explicit, graphically designed statement making it quite clear that Wikipedia knew what the vandal was up do, knew he was jumping between IPs to make the attacks, was not going to tolerate it and would impose indefinite blocks on him to stop it. It left him with two choices: continue to change IPs and come back to add in homophobic comments on user pages and so find himself blocked every time, or, if he wanted to be a real contributor, stop. The message worked. He stopped. In this case he was a serial vandal making potentially slanderous and highly damaging attacks on a respected user.
Both templates are not likely to be regularly used. Both are aimed at extreme cases. One reminds someone engaged in serious vandalism that if, when they come back after a block expires they start back at the vandalism they may be blocked for a longer period. (Two such examples occurred recently which I had to deal with. One guy is on his third block.) The other was aimed at someone jumping between IPs and warned them that their actions were known and would be dealt with. Only a tiny number of cases would need either message. In those extreme cases, the messages are there for use if necessary. (BTW I don't know where you get the idea that Wikipedia never bans IP addresses all the time. It does so all the time. Indefinitely means for an undefined period of time. In reality most such blocks I impose I unblock after a day or two. Wikipedians do impose such blocks many times a day.) Fear�IREANN\(caint) 01:29, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment You are aware that IP banning a dynamic IP is inneffective and pointless, right? First of all, they change with every logon, so you never can succesfully block the user until you've blocked every potential address at their ISP. Second of all, blocking these addresses also locks out legitimate editors, whose only crime is that they happen to share the same ISP. I don't deny that there are times where this template may be of use, but these would be rare indeed. I believe that there are already templates for these "special cases" were such a block would be warranted. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 01:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • You block IP addresses indefinitely? Do you trust yourself to remember to unblock them? Why don't you just block them for a number of hours or days? Rhobite 02:01, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
Because I make a list and have it beside me. And the reason I don't specify a timespan is because sometimes I play it by ear and give it a few minutes, sometimes an hour or two. Also the location of the vandal may make a difference. In some timezones the odds are they'll be logging off shortly. In others they could be on for a few hours. It depends on whether it was just some asshole messing and who after he found himself blocked would go off and find something else to play with (maybe himself!) or whether, like the pillock above, it someone acting seriously and making slanderous and abusive comments that could hurt the reputation of someone here. Now that he has stopped I will be unblocking his IPs. If he was still at it I'd wait til he stopped coming back, then unblock one and see would be use it to revandalise. If he didn't, then I'd unblock the lot. Fear�IREANN\(caint)
  • Delete. Unnecessary, and maybe Judge Roy Bean there ought to reconsider his working methods. --Calton | Talk 02:35, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Uneccessary and confrontational, if you really need something for a specific circumstance you can always create a subpage and transclude it by using {{user:USERNAME/subpage}}, there's no need to create a global template for one circumstance. Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 06:38, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Templates should be in wide use; you don't need to use a template message when blocking a user, you can tailor your own. Since this is going to be a rarity, a template in not neccessary. --Scimitar parley 16:27, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - as said, it's just not needed. Dan100 (Talk) 17:42, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as per Scimitar. Joyous (talk) 22:55, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

July 28

Template:Speedyimage

Bogus speedy deletion template (there is no such CSD criteria). Delete. --cesarb 21:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

July 27

Template:SOWL

Obsoleted by Template:Consonants.  Denelson83  23:12, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - I am not a linguist. However, the two templates look radically different and are presumably trying to do different things. I note however that very few pages link to the template proposed for deletion compared to Template:Consonants.--AYArktos 23:45, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • No vote. I don't fully understand the obsolescence here, but I'm no linguist/grammarian. Can the nominator explain a little further? -Splash 00:01, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and/or expand {{Consonants}}. Right now, Consonants simply can't replace SOWL completely. As someone more than passing familiar with IPA, even I am not sure exactly where all of the places of articulation are in the IPA table. I have to hover over the links to see "velar fricative" and whatnot. On top of that, the SOWL template will get you to information about vowel sounds; this appears to be totally absent from Consonants. In summary, it's very hard for me to see how Consonants makes SOWL obsolete. —HorsePunchKid→龜
  • Comment: I'm no longer sure about my vote. It looks like Denelson83 has already taken {{SOWL}} out of every page that it showed up on. I think that action was limited to consonant pages, in which case it's certainly fine. I would like to see the {{Consonants}} template updated to match {{Vowels}} a little bit more closely; in particular, I'm still interested in seeing the articulation labels added as in this standard chart. Certainly Consonants still doesn't obsolete SOWL; it's just totally different. So my question is: Are there any pages that would be served better by SOWL than either Vowels or Consonants? (By the way, I appreciate the improvement since this got listed here! Perhaps the points I've brought up here would be better addressed on the template's talk page?) —HorsePunchKid→龜 06:02, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I have just obsoleted Template:SOWL further by actually caving into your opinion and putting articulatory labels into Template:Consonants.  Denelson83  07:17, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I think the new version looks great and provides all of the information I would like to see. I hope you're not just "caving in" to shut me up, though! If you see any specific problems with having the labels there, please elaborate, though it might be better done on the {{Consonants}} talk page. With the vowel and consonant templates as they currently are, I no longer see too much value in SOWL. Let's delete it. —HorsePunchKid→龜 04:28, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Integral theory4

Delete: Fork of {{Integral theory}}, not used anywhere. —PrologFan {Talk} 21:23, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Movecat

This is borderline duplicating of Template:Cfd, and it also, when placed prior to the cfd discussion closing, encourages people to empty the category, in direct violation of the Cfd notice: Please do not remove this notice or empty the category while the question is being considered. --Kbdank71 16:41, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Agreed, this confuses the issue more than helping it. Courtland 18:31, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment doesn't this indicate a category that has already undergone CfD approval for merger or rename, and thus indicate a category that will only exist long enough to move articles out of it before being deleted? 132.205.3.20 20:58, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • It would appear to indicate that yes. However, the CfD notice usually remains on the cat until it has been fully dealt with, and that contains a link to the CfD page/discussion. Generally, cats are moved/renamed more or less on the spot either by human or by bot, so this notice doesn't have much of a life. -Splash 00:01, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete; risks being placed during discussion, is not used in the CfD process and would only be appropriate very transitorily. -Splash 00:01, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Otherlang

This template was proposed as a test (see Wikipedia_talk:Featured_articles_in_other_languages#Template) but It has been replaced by Template:FAOL. CG 08:17, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Nn-bio

As an admin who handles CSD I almost speedy deleted this one. Like Template:Db:a1 I put here on TFD earlier, I am very concerned about having specialized CSD tags for each and every CSD criterion. This is instruction creep. The less templates added to Category:Candidates for speedy deletion, the better. Only {{nonsense}} and {{deleteagain}} are useful as extra templates, since they are very common; the rest can get {{deletebecause}}. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:48, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Extreme Delete. more m:Instruction creep. If the folks on RC patrol really think that there need to be some more templates, the should get together with the admins handling CSD and agree on some reasonable templates with reasonable names. Otherwise, as User: Zzyzx11 said, the fewer templates the better. BlankVerse ∅ 10:15, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Agreed, this one is not needed. Sjakkalle (Check!) 10:17, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • See also {{deletevanity}} and its redirect {{dv}}. —Cryptic (talk) 14:00, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I created this as a tool. How is it instruction creep? No one is required to use it, it simply provides a quicker way to do the exact same thing. If soemone objects to the name (which seems fairly clear to me) then suggest a better one, the tempalte can always be moved to a better name if one is proposed. If anyone prefers not to use this template, that person can use {{db}} insted. But this saves a lot of typing when encountering many non-notable-bios, and does no harm. The name is not nearly as esoteric as that of Template:Db:a1 DES 14:34, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I don't see the instruction, so I don't see the creep. Why would you have me type exactly those words out by hand all the time? What would that achieve? -Splash 14:38, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment m:Instruction creep says Instruction creep occurs when a well-meaning user thinks "Hrm ... this page would be better if everyone was supposed to do this". Nowhere does this template say that everyoen is supposed to do soemthing, and nowhere is it even hinted that everyone who wnats to speedy an articel under CSD A7 should or must use this tempalte, so where is the instruction, and where is the creep? An expanded toolset is not the same as an expanded list of instructions. DES 14:44, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply: It is m:Instruction creep when a well-meaning person starts adding all sorts of addition ways to say {{deletebecause}} when that template (and it's very short redirect {{db}}) is sufficient for the task. I think that you should be paying particularly close attention when one of the admins who is responsible for responding to the various delete tags when he says this one is unneeded and unwanted. BlankVerse ∅ 15:46, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep: Extremely useful template. About 30% of newly created articles need this tag. It is needed far more than {{nonsense}}. --malathion talk 16:04, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The template is not necessary. Hall Monitor 16:19, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    Reply {{nonsense}} is not "necessary" either but it is extremely useful. The only difference is that {{nonsense}} is already in common use. I don't see any reason why those of us who regularly babysit Wikipedia for new vanity articles should have to type all that every time. I tagged more than 10 articles in an just hour with it. --malathion talk 16:31, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I'm struggling to see the instruction creep. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 18:34, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Instruction creep? I don't see how. Anyway, it's sure easier than typing all that out. --Canderson7 20:17, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. No instructions, no creep. Handy shortcut for {{deletebecause}}. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickptar (talk • contribs) 15:36, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral as I helped create one of the above templates and would probably constitute a conflict of intrests. That being said, the reason people see a creation for these templates is a) there was a new CSD which partially warrants it and b) vanity pages are so very common on new pages patrol that this is pretty useful to any non-admin. That being said, I don't think EVERY speedy delete category requires a tag but this one is so frequently used that it makes sense to have it's own template. There's my two cents. Sasquatch′↔T↔C 22:32, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong keep The majority of speedies are this one, and I'd rather not have to type this every time I need it. If we're going to get rid of templates, I'd suggest {{nonsense}}, since most articles tagged with it don't fall under Wikipedia's definition of the word. Denni☯ 01:10, 2005 July 28 (UTC)
  • Delete, I would prefer that people take the time to type {{db|reason}} rather than use this. JYolkowski // talk 01:30, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, not instruction creep as it's in no way compulsory for the CSD-marker. Even if we get one template per CSD marker, that wouldn't pollute the template namespace too badly would it? --fvw* 07:06, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep. I find it very helpful. The template contains quite a bit of helpful explanation and a citation of the releved CSD rules, which would be a pain to type out manually. --Pyroclastic 08:10, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep It's faster to type, you don't have to use it so it's not instruction creep. cohesion | talk 09:13, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep per above, this can certainly be useful. - ulayiti (talk) 15:52, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • leep.@@@@
  • Keep. Tools are not instruction creep; that said, make sure that these criteria templates are similar in format and appearance to {{db}}. --Titoxd 20:11, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, but rename. Since one of the complaints about these templates (see also Template:db:a1 below) is that they end up sprinkled throughout Category:Candidates for speedy deletion, making it inconvenient for administrators who are cleaning out the category. Perhaps we can agree on a single prefix for all the speedy deletion templates so that they appear together in the (alphabetically-sorted) category? For example, this template could be renamed Template:db-bio. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 20:36, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • The same should be used for {{{Db:a1}}}, which is up for deletion below. If specialized templates are going to be used, start them with "db-" so they don't clutter the category. --Titoxd 20:46, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but Rename. I think it is a useful template for a very common speedy category (remember these are very common which is why this critera was created to begin with). No one is required to use it so I really don't see any downside to having it around. I do agree with the proposal to rename it though. Its currently a bit clumsy to type/remember. Gblaz 22:10, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
    Reply I suggest using {{dv}}, which redirects to this template and is easy to type/remember (Delete Vanity). --malathion talk 23:29, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete; instruction creep, and unprofessional in the cryptic reference to "CSD A7." (Newbies will call that "proof by intimidation.") Certainly needs a renaming if the consensus is "keep." Also, Blu Aardvark suggests turning this template into a subpage of {{db}}, which I think is an excellent idea, as long as it's actually possible. We could have {{db/test}}, {{db/nonsense}}, {{db/vandalism}}, {{db/again}}, and {{db/vanity}}. As far as I'm concerned, "non-notable" and "vanity" ought to be synonymous; if somebody's making a page about a non-notable person and it's not out of vanity, I want to know why. :) (With the exception of Internet fads like the Numa Numa kid, I guess.) --Quuxplusone 22:43, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    Reply If you think the "CSD A7" reference is bad, please feel free to edit the template, or bring that up on the talk page. Incidentally, I agree that it shouldn't be explicitly named in the template, since the candidates for speedy deletion critera are already linked. As for the subpage idea, I wouldn't mind that, just as long as the template exists in some easy to type form. --malathion talk 23:29, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I've taken the liberty of moving the template to Template:Deletebecause/vanity, to help clear up the category listing a bit. All of the redirects have been corrected accordingly, and you can use either of them. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 08:45, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have moved it back and reverted the edit. The rename makes this useless as a tool, or nearly so, the point is to have soemthign shrot and memorable to type. Having to type "deletebecause/vanity" is worhless. Besiude this is not about "vanity" this is about non-notability or more exactly absence of any claims of notability. The reference to CSD A7 should in my view stay, ther is already a link to the CSD, and this tells anyone seeing this mesage exactly which itme on that page is being referenced. I am trying to assume good faith, but these chages seem like attemps by people who don't like this template to reder it pointless. The explicit mention of A7 is less vital, but the move is rediculous. do we have any other commonly used tool template that is a subpage? Do we have any normal template that is a subpage? Really now. DES 14:37, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    Did you read what he said about the redirects? You do not have to type the full template name, just use one of the redirects (yes, {{nn-bio}} won't stop working just because the template was moved, as long as the redirect is still there). However, having all the delete templates bunched together in the category is less confusing for admins cleaning the category. --cesarb 15:09, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Perhaps I was hasty, but then it seems to me that Blu Aardvark wasa hasty also. does he plan to do tbis with {{[[Template: e | e ]]}} that is really more instruction creep. First, it is much easier to type "{{db|Little or no context}}". Second, all of the CSD tags already say in the second paragraph that if "you intend to fix it, please remove this notice." Zzyzx11 (Talk) 14:14, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Might I add that as an admin who handles CSD, the less templates adding to Category:Candidates for speedy deletion, the better. Only {{nonsense}} and {{deleteagain}} are useful as extra templates, since they are very common; the rest can get {{deletebecause}} or {{db}}. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:40, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This seems like a handy tool for anyone on new page patrol, although I might have called it {{db-empty}} as being easier to remember.DES 14:19, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment (no vote at this time). The reason I added the text the way that I did is that I hope that it will encourage people to expand the articles, and avoid deletion. In other words, I added the extra text for the potential benefit of regular non-admin editors who might stumble upon the article, and choose to expand it. If anyone can see any way the template can be improved, feel free. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 21:27, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I'd just like to state, I do understand the reasoning behind this nomination, and extra templates that clutter up the category can make things a bit confusing. The primary reason I created this template, as I said, was to hopefully encourage people to expand articles that meet speedy delete criteria, and avoid the deletions. But it does raise the issue that, if a template is created for one speedy deletion criteria, what would stop others from being created? If this were to happen, we'd certainly have a cluttered category. I don't really see this template as instruction creep, but I agree that it isn't really needed.--Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 07:41, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (and rename). This is the equivalent of {{db| Article does not appear to contain sufficient information to warrant an article. If you can correct this, please do so and remove this notice.}}, which is not (in practice) going to be used. Don't bite the newbies. Septentrionalis 02:12, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • As I wrote above, if "you intend to fix it, please remove this notice." is already in the second paragraph on all of the CSD tags. Adding "If you can correct this, please do so and remove this notice" is redundant. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:37, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename. Tools aren't instruction creep, since no one is really required to use it, and it sure seems a lot easier than typing all that Septentrionalis wrote! --Titoxd 03:39, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Extreme Delete. They should be using {{db}}. There is no need for a specialized version of that template. BlankVerse ∅ 09:48, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, I don't see where I am instructed or even recommended to use this, so I don't see any creep. If the words on the screen are the same as when I type them out in full manually, what harm is done? -Splash 14:40, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note I have edited this to remove the redundant comment about removing the notice, so anyone who felt that was the major problem with this template might want to reconsider his or her vote. DES 19:31, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, I'd prefer that people use {{db|reason}} to provide a specific reason rather than using this template. JYolkowski // talk 01:32, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note. I renamed the template from template:db:a1 to template:deletebecause/empty to help clear some of the clutter from the category, and perhaps make it easier on the admins. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 01:26, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I don't see any instruction creep here. --malathion talk 01:57, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. See earlier comments for {{nn-bio}}, above. =P Xaa 04:47, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:QOTD

Apparently a template for an abortive Quote of the day project. If this was being organized by the folks at Wikiquote as a daily feature, I'd love to see it. As is, it should be deleted. I'll let someone else have the fun of taking Wikipedia:Quote of the day to WP:VFD. BlankVerse ∅ 12:48, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Moved to Wiktionary

Delete as redundant to {{VFD}} and unused. --Dmcdevit�t 09:02, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Bordered

As meta templates go, this one is pretty egregious - it forces everything to be class="notice metadata" id="cleanup" in addition to the stylistic formatting, which really should be handled in css instead of a template. I've reverted it out of Template:spoiler and Template:endspoiler and pre-emptively substed it in Template:stub, Template:dynamic list, and Template:OntarioSH. Leaving it in the latter three at all was against my better judgement. —Cryptic (talk) 04:21, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as said, CSS should handle this and not meta-templates. violet/riga (t) 09:16, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I believe it is easier to memorize how to put a template in an article rather than the base code for bordered notices. --SuperDude 15:23, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, as above. For starters, naming a template after what it does graphically is a poor idea. Having a template that does little other than put a border around another piece of text has little value. Applying an XHTML ID to such a generic template is bound to cause validation problems, since IDs (naturally) are intended to be unique in a page. You might be able to fix some of the problems, but I suspect that fixing them will remove essentially any value the template might have had. —HorsePunchKid→龜 17:40, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, as above. This is better done via CSS. -Splash 23:56, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Stub-base

Redundant to Template:Metastub. —Cryptic (talk) 03:53, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Redirectbug

And associated category Category:Redirectbug.

I can't figure out why this exists. It is only used on one page, and so I think subst'ing it in should be sufficient. There's no point to a template and creating a category for this. --Dmcdevit�t 00:12, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

  • Subst:, delete...I can't figure this out either! -Splash 23:56, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think this is an (extremely minor) example of WP:POINT. Yes, categories can't be the subjects of redirects. It's apparently a known bug, and might even be fixed in the current (not stable) build of MediaWiki, if I'm reading that bug page right. There's no reason to make a category page about it. Delete. --Quuxplusone 22:50, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. No such bug. Comment By linking to categories with a lead-in colon, redirects work, although there are a few errors in the category display. Example. It works like this: #REDIRECT [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion]]. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 23:00, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's those "few errors in the category display" that are the problem for shortcuts like CAT:CSD (which, being a shortcut, like the WP:WP shortcuts, is far less useful at Wikipedia:CAT:CSD than at its original location, by the way). Uncle G 03:39:22, 2005-07-29 (UTC)
  • keep, even though it is currently only used on one page, the problem it describes is potentially relevant to other pages in the future. If/When a fixed version of wikimedia is implemented then it can be deleted of course, but not before. As any mathematician will tell you, having a set with only one member can be perfectly meaningfull :). Thue | talk 09:13, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Thue. This works as a soft redirect, as the regular redirect doesn't work quite as it should. Apparently, redirects to categories are treated as if they were in the main namespace, and so the category contents are not listed. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 09:22, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Mathematics

This template not linked from any article. The templates {quantity}, {change}, {space} and {structure} mentioned in this template are themselves up for deletion below, it it seems they are going to be deleted. In addition, this template joins topics not having anything in common besides the fact that they are math. As such,

July 25

Template:Gay

Strange anon creation. Kill it. Dragons flight 08:12, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Template:AcademicBoosterism

Created as a joke, being used in lieu of discussion. - Nunh-huh 23:58, 24 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Points are to be raised on talk pages, not templates. - Nunh-huh 08:32, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, as per Courtland. Just another synonym for NPOV, and this template is more likely to discourage productive discussion than encourage it. Having a somewhat inflammatory name for a template that is intended to help resolve NPOV disputes is just silly. —HorsePunchKid→龜 07:48, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
We have a science-fiction stub which is more specific than the general stub, and we have a Star Trek stub which is more specific still. What's wrong with a slightly more specific version of the NPOV banner? Anville 13:35, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Please read my comment again. I think I was fairly clear about my concern. ;) —HorsePunchKid→龜 20:10, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, it does not relate to any part of Wikipedia policy that is not already covered by the various NPOV templates, and it has a design that is pretty unpleasant. -Splash 17:11, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete If the article is not NPOV, tag it as such. This just lends itself to edit wars around the Harvard-Yale football game, for example.--SarekOfVulcan 19:38, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Edit, Keep, Make More. I agree with Courtland and others that this is a strain of POV disease, but I disagree that this is a reason for killing the template. {{NPOV}} and similar templates are warnings to the reader that something may be wrong with the article, however most of these templates do little to explain what the problem is. If we assume that many people read encyclopedia articles about subjects with which they are unfamiliar, then a naive reader may have no way of recognizing what the problem actually is. Because of this I would advocate the creation of either a number of general classes of NPOV templates to identify specific types of problems (of which this could be one), and/or the creation of a template {{POV-because}}, which could take a parameter for giving an explanation of what the POV problem is. I do think however, that all of the NPOV type templates need to conform to a similar style, and as such this would need to be redesigned without the ugly graphic and with a link to NPOV. Dragons flight 20:56, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
I guess I don't have any specific problem with expanding the selection of POV indicators, as long as it is done in such a way that they are visually consistent, non-invasive, and non-inflammatory. This particular one fails each of those criteria but could certainly be cleaned up to conform. —HorsePunchKid→龜 22:21, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. The nature of how an article has strayed into non-NPOV should be described in gory detail (complete with blood stains from the debates) in the talk-space. True, the underlying reasons for putting the general non-NPOV template on are not obvious to the casual reader, but they should be clear to the reader who reads the article deeply and who takes the talk-space as part of the clarification of the article's treatment of the topic. Regards, Courtland 23:19, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
I have gone ahead and created {{POV-because|Some Reason}} for the purposes of having an NPOV template that can note for the benefit of the reader what the issue in question is. I also added it to the page of dispute message templates. If people don't like this, well then, there is always TFD, but I think this fills an important and valuable niche given that the issues in dispute are often not obvious to the reader. The instructions on the template's talk page still say that the issue should always be explained in detail on talk. Dragons flight 21:18, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Improve and keep. Changed vote, see below Yes, it's too big, it's too intrusive. Nunh-huh's comment that it's been used in lieu of discussion is fair. Academic boosterism is, however, a real problem, because it spreads from article to article and keeps reinfecting articles. Every few months I'll see a fresh crop of six paragraphs about "prestige" or U. S. News rankings sprouting up somewhere, and the justification given is always that some other school has done it, and theirs is much worse. The reason why I think it might be appropriate to use this in place of a standard NPOV is that I believe the warning should be weaker than the NPOV warning. Academic boosterism usually does not mean that the article is factually inaccurate. It's more a question of vanity, not bias. Taste, not accuracy. I, for one, want to be able to read about my alma mater without having a bunch of cardinal and gray butt feathers waved in my face, and I believe most other readers feel the same way. Other encyclopedias can talk about colleges without sounding like the admissions department, why can't we? Dpbsmith (talk) 22:40, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • And this template will assist in producing such an article how? It was used to label about ten successive college articles - none of them with any particular issues regarding boosterism-- in a flurry of vandalism, and none of them with any notation on the accompanying talk page. Why should we make that easy? - Nunh-huh 22:54, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. First off, :) the way you (User:Dpbsmith) put things made me laugh. Thanks. I hadn't thought on the notion of a weaker version of non-NPOV warnings, but I can see your point. There was a discussion of "community pride" in some deletion-related debate a while ago and this relates to it in an indirect way; there is no reason for the pride of an author with regard to a topic to compromise the tone or factual accuracy of the treatment in the case of social organizations and institutions .. it is that pride among members that keeps such things in existence and leads them to grow, and to talk about them. I'll have to think some more on that and consider my vote in the context of your comments ... Courtland 23:26, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
      • As I've said elsewhere, this is a matter for a style guide, for reasoned discussion, or for collaborative editing. Applying a disparaging label to someone's enthusiasm for their school, and smashing that label in their face by plastering a template on the article they've contributed to does not seem like a step toward a solution to me. - Nunh-huh 00:45, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Nunh-huh has convinced me. (I hate it when that happens.) Dpbsmith (talk) 13:06, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete!. Redundant with {{NPOV}}. Unnecesary, unneeded. BlankVerse ∅ 13:09, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, as this is a real problem, and as the casual reader cannot be expected to go through everything that's written on the talk page just so that they can be able to read an encyclopedia article without having to doubt everything that's said there. - ulayiti (talk) 16:05, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • So all articles without the template are guaranteed not to have the problem?! Er no! The person who reads an article with the problem should fix it, not add a template. Template like this are a disease affecting the quality of articles of Wikipedia and should be deleted as fast as procedure allows. Pcb21| Pete 16:25, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I didn't say that. It's just that the {{NPOV}} template is effectively a way of saying that 'there's something wrong with this article, but we're not gonna tell you what it is', and, as such, discourages casual users from reading and/or believing what's written in the articles. If there's no template, people will tend to believe it. If there's a template that says exactly what's wrong with the article, people might believe everything else in the article. But if the template is vague like {{NPOV}}, they won't bother. And what comes to your argument that 'The person who reads an article with the problem should fix it, not add a template', then why do we have cleanup templates in the first place? Shouldn't anyone who sees problems in articles automatically fix them within the next five seconds? - ulayiti (talk) 16:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • "there's something wrong with this article, but we're not gonna tell you what it is" — The NPOV template does specifically direct the reader to the talk page for more information about what's wrong with the article. This seems like a very good solution to me. If you are seeing instances of that template with no relevant discussion, perhaps you should remove the template. —HorsePunchKid→龜 20:31, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete.--Eloquence* 02:54, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, this is not the way to deal with academic boosterism (or "school spirit" as we used to call it). --Angr/tɔk tə mi 23:21, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete redundant with other NPOV templates. ∞Who?¿? 12:01, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

July 24

Template:Song infobox

There's another one called Template:Single infobox already used on quite a few articles. So delete. -- pmam21talkarticles 02:29, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep, until migration is complete, no? It seems to be on quite a few articles. -Splash 17:13, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • No offense, but it's only used in 4 articles (3 Beatles songs, 1 Rolling Stones). Migration will be really quick. If you're confused, Template:Single infobox is the on used alot, not the Song infobox.
  • Keep until either one template is used or a third is created from a merger. Infoboxes are complicated and useful beasts in general because they encourage the organization of (in many cases) mundane information, allowing the article text to tell a unique story about the topic. The deletion of one just because there is a competing one with overlapping scope isn't in the best interests of Wikipedia. Courtland 00:56, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
    • Similar comment to as above. Of course, templates are good. Anyway, the one up for deletion (Song infobox) is only in 4 articles. It will be quick. -- pmam21talkarticles 11:10, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. These looks like an issue that should be handled by the participants at Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs, instead of here at WP:TFD. BlankVerse ∅ 14:29, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. That's a pretty good idea, a good precedent to start perhaps. Courtland 23:54, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. I'm the original author of the template, and I see here that Template:Single infobox is pretty much the same and it was created earlier, so it should be the one that stays. If I had known that other one existed, I wouldn't have created Template:Song infobox. --Arcadian 16:30, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. Thanks for coming forward to say that, Arcadian. :) Courtland 23:56, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep My reasoning being, we have some songs that weren't released as singles where this box would work. Such as... pretty much every Beatles song article we have that wasn't released as a single. Most are stubs and this box would improve them. Redwolf24 21:42, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Template:Single infobox They're one and the same, but some people will still use this template name. Why...better off asking them. --JB Adder | Talk 05:12, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete If needed I'll do the 4 migrations, god. Do we really need to discuss this if it's been used only 4 times and everyone seems to agree they are pretty much the same? maybe modify Template:Single infobox so it's not only for singles anymore 06:02:20, 2005-08-05 (UTC)

July 22

Template:Asiamiles

This seems very similar to the WorldPerks template, which reached a consensus of categorize and delete. The same should be done with this. Dbinder 16:53, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep unless there's a consensus to delete all airline alliance and loyalty programme templates. — Instantnood 12:35, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
    • No one said anything about deleting alliance templates. I do believe all frequent flyer program templates should be deleted though. Dbinder 13:57, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Are there more loyalty programme templates around? As for the airline alliance templates, these are different in that an airline is only a member of 1 so you do not have issues with multiple templates. Vegaswikian 23:32, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep or general vote to forbid all nav templates, this one is OK. Stefan 14:22, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete for all of the reasons on the Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:Worldperks. Most of the existing nav templates are limited in how many will appear. This class of templates can mean that there are 20 or 30 templates in an article, I don't believe that is the intention of using templates. Not only would that number make navigation more difficult but it would make it more difficult to find information. In any case, if you check Wikipedia:WikiProject Airlines it says these should be articles if required. Oh, and add another 10-20 templates if you then decide to add templates for airport lounges since they will have the same problem. And then we can do it for code shares. Vegaswikian 18:31, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I can see a use for templates for programs which are native to multiple airlines or other businesses, such as Miles & More (shared by Lufthansa, Austrian Airlines, LOT Polish, etc.) or GoldPoints (Radisson Hotels, TGI Friday's). Only Cathay seems to be native to Asia Miles. Second, Asia Miles is a program, not an alliance; half the partners listed have nothing more to do with each other than with partners Citigroup, Nautica, or the Promenade Restaurant in Kowloon. Third, the practical problem of listing mere partners should be self-evident: Alaska Airlines would have 14 airline templates alone. Hertz, which probably awards more Asia Miles than Royal Brunei, would have 68. - choster 23:10, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WP:RM

I'm not sure I understand the point of this template. It's no less simple than the current procedure at WP:RM, has an obscure name and isn't documented anywhere. Talrias (t | e | c) 11:03, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

July 21

Template:Harry Potter spoiler

Delete: This is obselete, even before it was created. We have happily used {{spoiler}} for Episode III and various other big-name books/movies without issue, I don't see why this is any more useful than {{spoiler}} is. GarrettTalk 03:21, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • maybe leave it for a couple of weeks, then delete it and revert to {{Spoiler}}. I think there are many people who will be very annoyed if they find out and the {{Spoiler}} warning may be not noticible enough for newbies. As for Episode III, I think everyone knew what was gonna happen in that. Supersaiyanplough|(talk) 03:30, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I love the Harry Potter series, but the attitude of the people who write about it here is beginning to annoy. The template is needlessly specific. Superm401 | Talk 03:32, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete and subst. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:42, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete a tad too specific. Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 03:46, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep for at least another week or so. This formatting popped up independently on multiple pages, and was reverted after being converted to the normal spoiler template. I created it to ease transition to {{spoiler}} once things slow down on these articles, as clearly explained on its talk page. Yes, it's overspecific, and large, and annoying, and redundant, but it's a much better solution than having this code on those pages instead of a template. Absolutely should not be substed in its current form, as TBSDY suggests - when deleted, it should be replaced with {{spoiler}}. —Cryptic (talk) 04:49, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Redundant. --[[User:JonMoore|—JonMoore 20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 05:11, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, redundant. Radiant_>|< 08:37, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. — Ram-Man (comment) (talk) 13:34, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep until 1 August, per Cryptic. Then Delete. If we create a Template: New publication spoiler, less visible than this one, but more visible than Template:spoiler, we can avoid this discussion next year. Septentrionalis 15:49, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I guess it could be made a bit smaller, but it is very helpful. I had just finished HBP and was looking at the Wizarding World page. It spoils who dies right there! I thought that the regular spoiler template meant it only had spoilers for the first five books.Keep for at least three more weeks. It takes some people a long time to read the books. It can get smaller over that time.Phoenix Song 16:15, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and replace all instances of this template with {{spoiler}}. I don't think HBP-specific spoilers require their own templates. --Deathphoenix 16:26, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. We have our lovely Template:Spoiler! --Neigel von Teighen 17:04, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and use {{spoiler-about}} to make it clar that the spoilers are for the new work, where this might not be obvious. DES 18:51, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Book 6 was spoiled for me when carlessly reading an article that just had a regular spoiler warning. I was not expecting, that the information was updated so soon and that such spoilers would be at places where I did not expect them (of course I would not have read sections that were specific to book 6). Leave it for one or two weeks, that should be enough to warn other careless readers like me. -- 19:40, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - waaaay too specific. We do not need a template just for spoilers in one book series. Find a better way of doing it. -- Cyrius|✎ 19:41, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - The regular spoiler warning is sufficient. Anyone that claims otherwise is, in my opinion, such a careless reader then they would probably have missed half the plot reading the book anyway. --Colin Angus Mackay 22:33, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - regular spoiler warning sufficient. Ingoolemo talk 02:18, 2005 July 22 (UTC)
  • Keep. The generic spoiler warning is actually insufficient in my interpretation. zen master T 07:55, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't mind either way, as long as you remove all the old spoiler warnings for the previous books. 14:49, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - Do we really want or need 5,000 different spoiler templates? If we keep this one, why not create a new one for every article? Makes no sense and defeats the entire purpose of a template. Gblaz 15:51, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
  • I don't exactly understand the point in deleting a template just because it's narrow. We may be only able to use it for an article or two, but is it really taking up space on the site or something? --SeizureDog 16:59, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or at least use the {{Spoiler}} format. violet/riga (t) 17:01, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Redundant. {{spoiler}} works fine. -Hmib 17:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete / replace with {{spoiler-about}}. Agreed that this is too specific; apologies to the Harry Potter fans but if this template survives then that would be considered tacit support for dozens, neh hundreds of topic-specific spoilers, which I doubt many people would find beneficial. Courtland 01:57, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
Comments: Regarding the concern that this template should be retained until a specified time ... it might be appropriate to use {{Current}} or create a template that deals specifically with time-sensitive spoiler information. With regard to immediate obsolescence, information on the content of works that have not yet been published isn't really something we should encourage for inclusion in an encyclopedia, in my opinion, as it is not descriptive but (in many cases) speculative or (in some cases) ill-gotten (i.e. from a stolen copy of a screenplay published on the internet, for instance .. talking in general terms here and not specifically on the Harry Potter matter). Courtland 02:04, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, use {{spoiler-about}} instead. -Sean Curtin 01:10, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - {{spoiler}} and {{spoiler-about}} are good enough as it is. We don't need specific spoiler warnings for every single book. Aecis 12:47, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- but I like the "new publication" suggestion above.--SarekOfVulcan 18:59, 28 July 2005 (UTC) (forgot to sign it when I voted)[reply]
  • Delete there is nothing special about HP.  Grue  20:38, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this crawl should probably crawl to /dev/null, overly specific and repetitive since we already have a spoiler template and we don't need 50 overly specific ones as well. Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 07:44, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Fancruft m:Instruction creep. BlankVerse ∅ 12:26, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. other templates suffice. To those that had the book spoiled for them, well, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm a contributor to the HP WikiProject, but I also knew that stuff would be getting added very quickly, so I didnt read any of the HP areas of the wiki until I was done reading the book, knowing there would be spoilers-a-plenty. EvilPhoenix talk 18:06, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, too specific; {{spoiler}} should be good for all. K1Bond007 04:56, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Refactor into a current-spoiler template. Although I agree that this template is a bit too specific, there is a need for a more prominent spoiler warning in cases like this. —Brent Dax 00:42, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for a few more weeks as the book hasn´t reached all of its readers yet, people may be curious to check the articles in English even if they can´t read the whole books in English but are awating for translations, which only come at the end of the year. Doidimais Brasil 05:14, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Completely unnecessary.→Encephalon | T | C 14:55:43, 2005-08-06 (UTC)


Holding Cell

Move templates to the appropriate subsection here to prepare to delete if process guidelines are met. Anything listed here or below should have its discussion moved to Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log.

To orphan

These templates need to be deleted, but may still be in use on some pages. Somebody (it doesn't need to be an admin, anyone can do it) should fix and/or remove significant usages from pages so that they can be deleted. Note that simple references to them from Talk: pages need not (and in fact should not) be removed.

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To convert to category

Templates for which the consensus is that they ought to be converted to categories get put here until the conversion is completed.

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Listings

Template:Sfd-current Please put new listings under today's date at the top of the section.

When listing a template here, don't forget to add {{tfd|TemplateName}} to the template or its talk page, and to give notice of its proposed deletion at relevant talk pages, as per the TFD Instructions.

August 7

Template:OriginalResearch (and Category:Original research disputes)

"The novelty of research or terms used in this article is disputed." This is a rather obscure (and mostly unused) form of dispute resolution, and we already have far too many confusing variations on {{disputed}}. Radiant_>|< 08:53, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

  • Seems like a perfectly appropriate way to identify cases of alleged original research. Also I don't see how it's a form of dispute resolution, since it simply directs users to the talk page. Thus, unless it actually does overlap with another template, keep. -- Visviva 13:38, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 6

Template:US Trade Representative

Delete, Unneeded overspecialization of Template:Succession box. I have converted everything that used it so succession box so it is completely uneeded. gren グレン 20:18, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:MP3Search.Ru

Delete. Unused, currently blank. Created by Mike garcia, never correctly debugged, as far as I can see. From November 2004. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Template:The West Wing (TV)

Delete. Unused. Currently blank. Has been replaced in article with a table. No likelihood of ongoing use. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Template:Please leave this line alohehehehene (tutorial sandbox heading)

Delete. Unused, daft, currently blank, probably regrettable. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Template:Stub-stub

Delete. Unused, daft, regrettable. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Template:Alsace infobox

Redundant with Template:Infobox French Région that could be used on Alsace instead. For a discussion see also WikiProject French régions. -- User:Docu

  • The template Template:Infobox French Région was used for only 3 of the 26 régions of France, whereas the other 23 régions have each a specific infobox which is more detailed and better laid out than the generic Template:Infobox French Région, so I am puting specific infoboxes for the three remaining régions. It's better to have specific infoboxes for each région rather than a generic infobox for all the régions because each région has its own peculiarities, and one generic infobox cannot do the job (some régions need footnotes, some don't, some régions are made up of several départements, while some régions are monodepartmental, etc.). Hardouin 15:52, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep-This infobox is much better laid out then Template:Infobox French Région and it is also much more detailed. If Template:Infobox French Région really is only used on three articles, I think IT should be up for deletion. Sometimes, people here try too hard to standardize things and over-standardization (is that a word?) can sometimes lead to decreased quality, as is shown with Template:Infobox French Région IMO. --Gpyoung talk 16:14, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Didn't all Regions used to use Template:Infobox French Région? It is fairly easy to add additional fields to the infobox. If an infobox can be made for all countries it should be easy for French regions.-- User:Docu
  • Like Gpyoung rightly said, sometimes people try too hard to standardize things, for no real reason. Individual infoboxes take more time to design in the first place, but then they are much more flexible in use than a generic infobox. Besides, I would like to point out that the infoboxes for French régions were all designed with the same format, so if you check several French régions, you'll have the impression the infobox is a unique standardized infobox, whereas in fact it is specific to each région. So we get both the benefit of standardization (uniform format) and the benefit of specific infoboxes (flexibility). Hardouin 16:40, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Switzerland infobox

Unused. Redundant with Template:Infobox Country used on Switzerland. -- User:Docu

Template:Liechtenstein infobox

Unused. Redundant with Template:Infobox Country used on Liechtenstein. -- User:Docu

Template:FOAL

A misspelling of the Template:FAOL (Featured Articles in Other Languages) (see Wikipedia:Featured articles in other languages. CG 09:24, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Template:U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs

Template:Democracy

August 5

Template:Scientific classification

Delete, well-meaning, but inappropriate way to generate taxoboxes. Currently linked by two articles that I will soon have converted. Circeus 16:44, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

  • Conditional Keep-It seems like a good idea and a good thing to have. If it isnt quite up to speed, I think it can definatly be fixed and brought up to standard. I dont quite understand your link about the Taxoboxes, so that is why I voted conditional keep. If you can show that there is a better way to do it, I will change my vote. --Gpyoung talk 17:47, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chicagoland

Delete: This template is unnecessary. We already have one for the City of Chicago and one for the state of Illinois which lists both the Chicagoland region and most of the cities in the regions. Having potentially three regional templates on a page ({{Chicago}} {{Illinois}} and {{Chicagoland}}) just seems excessive. Plus, the template isnt even fell formatted. --Gpyoung talk 03:24, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. Parts of Chicagoland lie within Indiana and Wisconsin. — Instantnood 14:50, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The template is informative. The easy solution is for {{Chicago}}to replace {{Chicagoland}} in articles about Chicago. --goethean ॐ 15:35, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think the base problem here needs a better solution. Very often you have a city and other governments that frequently go by the name of the city or other names. There is a lot of overlap. I hope this discussion becomes a step on the road to fixing the overall problem. In looking at the template in question, I don't see it as a big issue so I'd vote Keep but maybe someone needs to make sure that only one of the two local ones listed above is used in an article. Vegaswikian 19:53, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. As Instantnood mentioned, this template is helpful for those regions of Chicagoland stretching into other states. --BaronLarf 18:36, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose Keep. Chicagoland comprises a significant proportion of the Illinois population as well as serves a navigational purpose for many chicagoland related pages. — oo64eva (Alex) (U | T | C) @ 18:39, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. Could people please use Keep or Delete, rather than Oppose? It makes it harder to know if you are opposing the templates nomination (i.e. want to Keep it) or opposing it's existence (i.e. want to Delete it). I think it is usually the former, but I would rather not have to interpret every comment just to be sure. Thanks. Dragons flight 21:39, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete and categorize. An uncertainly defined list, as the discussion of Rockford, Illinois on its talkpage shows; without the advantage of a list article in discussing doubtlful cases. Septentrionalis 21:50, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Chicagoland has over 8 million residents. I think that it would deserve a template. --67.173.128.161 03:23, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, which I've already taken the liberty of doing, into Template:Chicago. I think it looks much better and is more compact this way.--Pharos 04:07, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Useful template. If too many templates is the concern, there is already a link to Chicagoland in Template:Chicago, so eliminate Template:Chicagoland from City of Chicago articles. Suburb articles would not have Template:Chicago, so again, only two templates. If formatting or content is the concern, these could have been discussed on talk or changed (compliments to User:Pharos on the latter). HollyAm 22:20, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 4

Template:Minplan and Template:Minplan2

No longer useful, as the Template:mp and Template:mpl do exactly the same thing and are better shorthand. Urhixidur 22:30, 2005 August 4 (UTC)

Template:Warning

"This category lists articles that may be illegal in some jurisdictions". That's very nice, but WP:NOT censored so this doesn't require a template as such. Also, looks like article text, and isn't actively in use. Radiant_>|< 10:45, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

  • Comment: This is probably an issue that requires the Foundation to get involved in. There is definately information on the Wikipedia that is illegal in some form, and other info that is probably borderline. Is it better to have the warning, or should we assume that only the laws of the US apply? BlankVerse ∅ 14:57, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This should be handled by a general disclaimer. Who is to decide which articels need this warning? Are we liable if we put it on soem articles but not others? If a vandal removes the wrning for a time? This template is not the way to handle such issues, IMO. DES (talk) 15:12, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, until the Foundation resolves this kind of thing for us. At which point, add a mention somewhere prominent in the interface. -Splash 19:42, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The big problem area I see is Nazi-related stuff being displayed in Germany, but this is the sort of thing that needs an official decision by teh Foundation, not an ad-hoc tagging effort. --Carnildo 22:45, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Looks like another disclaimer template. --cesarb 14:32, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Major Cities of Tamil Nadu

Very subjective box. People have started including their cities arbitrarily. District headquarters in Tamil Nadu or some such list would be more objective. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 03:54, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Book info

Infoboxes are useful when there is some information to tabulate. Not really the case here. Fairly trivial information that can be included in a short paragraph.

  • Delete. ed g2s • talk 01:12, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (maybe closer to a Weak Keep). I agree, the information can be included in a free text statement. From a database point of view, though, organizing information in this manner assists in determining the shape of Wikipedia's coverage in this area. Therefore, I support a keep not on the notion that it greatly assists the reader, but on the basis of the potential assistance provided to editors and researchers. Courtland 10:03, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
    • That's not what infoboxes are for, this is why we have categories. ed g2s • talk 12:13, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Categories cannot accomplish what I stated. Infoboxes, template tags, and cross-referring wikilinks provide a fine level of detail which is accessible to database queries that categories do not reach and should not, as categories are primarily (in my opinion) for the assistance of readers finding related articles and high level organization of topic spaces. Courtland 20:32, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong delete Many books have multiple editions, with different editions having different publishers, different years, and different numbers of pages. There is no way for such an info box to accomodate that in a reasonable space, I think. I presume that this box is intended for use only when a book is the actual subject of the article, but that is precisely when the issue of multiple editions is most likely to come up, because it is in such an article that that info is most relevant. Also this template doesn't include a space for the ISBN, but that is also edition-specific. A template that gives a text rendition in a nice standard format for putting in bibliographic lists (and handles missing info well) would be a good thing. This template isn't the way to go, IMO. DES (talk) 15:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per DES. But I think some standard way of representing the information in textual form for each edition would be a nice thing to design. -Splash 19:42, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete There is the possibility that it can be useful for the more popular fiction books, however, since these are being reprinted over and again, the given stats may not be completely accurate. If this is kept, it should be restricted to the original publication of the book.
    While I'm on the subject, re DES, {{Book reference}} isn't suitable enough for the use which {{Book info}} is being used. The former was created for reference lists, not general book details. --JB Adder | Talk 09:59, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment Oh I agree that {{Book reference}} isn't suitable for use on an article about the particular book, I was mentioning it in response to my own comment above about A template that gives a text rendition in a nice standard format for putting in bibliographic lists which I took Splash to be agreeing with. This is really a side issue as far as this template goes, however. As for use on popular fiction books, see for example Aubrey-Maturin series and the various "editions" sub-sections. Actually this might be more use on the sort of large academic books that are rarely if ever re-issued. But no kind of book is guarenteed to appear in only a single edition. If this is kept, I would advise adding a line for the ISBN. DES (talk) 15:08, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 3

Template:Rebellion

A huge template attempting to list every rebellion in history, and being placed in each of their articles. Is someone reading about the Great Jewish Revolt really going to be interested in Pontiac's Rebellion? - SimonP 14:50, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Delete. The choice of rebellions is arbitrary, the template is far too long and unwieldy, so it turns the articles into a mess. -Ghirlandajo 15:00, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I read "Some consider it to be the first modern revolution" at Revolt of the Comuneros and thought some perspective would be useful. At Rebellion I found a list of rebellions and thought it would provide a useful context in a template in each listed rebellion. There is too little understanding of historical context. Everything is called the first or the greatest or the sole this or that. There is a continuity and repetiveness in historical events not appreciated and therefore not looked for. If its tucked away somewhere the typical reader won't even know to look for it. Retitle to famous rebellions maybe? shorten maybe? break into more than one template maybe? All quite reasonable possibilities. Meanwhile I'll stop adding the template to articles until a consensus forms. WAS 4.250 15:11, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete It might well be approipriate to have a link to Rebellion in each of these articles, that readers could follow for historical perspective. When a sentence such as the above appears it could be deleted with a mention of the list to give perspective, unless the statement is sourced -- If some people are documeted to really consider that "the first modern revolution" then their views need to be reported, although reasons why others hold other views should be included, and the facts pointed out for historical perspective. But this template is much to blunt a weapon for this purpose. DES (talk) 15:18, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I do think that a template linking to Rebellion and Category:Rebellion would be useful; but this is not it.Septentrionalis 15:43, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. It is basically a list of non-related events which may be called as rebellion. A list may be useful, even if the term itself is vague, but to put it as template in every article is clutter, keeping in mind that in fact there were hundreds of rebellions. mikka (t) 16:12, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Link or Category would be useful instead. - The sentence:"Some consider it to be the first modern revolution" was omitted, why? You may disagree with the opinion, but even the template list actually would support a view that this position might be a valid one to argue about. Was it the first modern one? There would be a lot to discuss, a topic for a seminar perhaps. But why not leave the sentence in and challenge the reader at least to think about this? You do not have to agree.Ekem 16:30, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The template is absolutely unnecessary. A category would probably be enough. KNewman 16:45, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong delete. This is why we have categories. The list is much too long, and it is entirely incomplete. There were over 60 rebellions in Germany in the 13-14th century alone. There are 1000s and 1000s of Rebellions. They are only meaningful as a group when put into context, for example Popular revolt in late medieval Europe.
  • Delete. and/or move the information to an ordinary page like "List of rebellions" as suggested by mikka. One problem though is that not all rebellions are seen as rebellions by all because it presupposes that the uprising is against a legitimate government which is not always the case and that opens up POV disputes. -- Philip Baird Shearer 17:59, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • 'Comment I would call an armed uprising agaisnt a regime that was in effective control a revolt or a rebellion, regardless of the ligitimacy or otherwise of the regime. The action by the inhabitants of the Wassaw Ghetto agaisnt the Nazi occupying force I would call a revolt, althouhg it is hard to think of a less legitimate "government". That said, the user of the terms "rebellion" or "revolt" does sometiems involve PoV issues. But no more than with many issues involving war and government. DES (talk) 18:32, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to List Page. Dragons flight 18:40, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
    • Delete -- the information would make an appropriate list and Famous Rebellions or Rebellions a good category, but the template is a case of "too much information." WBardwin 19:52, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Categorify and delete, or just delete if there is already a cat. -Splash 19:35, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete jengod 21:47, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

The consensus is clear. I humbly suggest that those who have shown they know better than I how to handle this issue lead by example rather than words. I assure all I will follow such behavior. WAS 4.250 22:43, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 2

Template:Lynch

Another director template, same reasons as the previous directors templates see the previous discussion here. Categorize and delete. ∞Who?¿? 18:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Keep!. I've used the same argument every time a template for a major film director has come up (and will keep using it). Many of the average vistors to the Wikipedia who will look at one film by a director will also want to look up one or more other films by the same director. Instead of forcing that to be a two step process (either going to a category or to the director's main page), it is much easier to work with a well-designed navigation template. BlankVerse ∅ 12:57, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for consistency. I very much agree with BlankVerse, and the deletion of the other templates does decrease the wiki's navagational functionality. However, if we are voting on this template, there is no reason why Lynch should have one if Spielberg, Hitch and Kubrick are denied one. The JPS 13:25, 3 August 2005 (UTC) Keep pending advanced discussion. The JPS 17:57, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Same reson as for the shark template below, interesting that BlankVerse has a strong keep for this and a delete for the shark one. The only different is that there are 350+ species of sharks, but there will never be that many wikipedia articles. I think we need to do something about nav templates, as it is now this is very chaotic and non consistant, I suggest to implement a list of related articles that can be under the 'in other languages' box. Then it will not take much space and can be much longer than a nav template today. Not sure if it can be done with wikimedia today, I asked at Wikipedia:Bug_report, no answer yet. Stefan 04:14, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep For better overview and navigation. --ThomasK 09:20, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment: There needs to be some policy on director's templates. The wiki should be consistent, and this template shouldn't be kept if Hitch et. al. were deleted. Again, I vehemently agree with the keep votes. The JPS 15:48, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very Strong Keep For ThomasK's reasons and the fact that any sort of easy-to-read template always makes the wiki more user-friendly and presents information immediately. I also urge very, very strongly to reinstate the other deleted director templates, which I felt were very helpful and I was shocked to see them go. It's a shame we have people who actually think that making the wiki less legible is a good idea. KEEP THESE TEMPLATES!!! Gsgeorge 16:23, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional delete. While I'm unhappy that useful director templates keep being deleted, it's unfair if this template stays and other director templates go. Either delete this template or undelete Spielberg, Hitchcock et al. --Titoxd 22:52, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is a problem, yes. This TFD has generated quite an interest for the 'keep' camp, and it might be worth continuing it elsewhere to achieve some sort of consistency. Hopefully we can get the other templates reinstated, and the deletionists/anti-template brigade will leave us alone. The JPS 23:04, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per Hitch, Spielberg, etc JW 22:53, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stong Keep. The template aids in user naviagation, conveys information and is compact. "Consistency" can not be a reason to delete this template, since the other director template have only been remove recently, and discussion has only just begun. --Commander Keane 06:43, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
  • Categorify and delete for consistency and easier navigating. Radiant_>|< 16:55, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
    • Clicking an additional link each time a user wants to switch articles is meant to be easier? Keep the category too: we should maximise the wiki's capabilities. The consistency argument (to which I was a subcriber) is redundant now that there are more keep participants (for a possible undelete and wider policy discussion) The JPS 17:14, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:NMGovernors

Why is this needed? Many of the pages don't even exist that are listed in the template. --WikiFan04Talk 3:11, 3 Aug 2005 (CDT)

August 1

Template:Sharks

This template have not been deleted but removed from all articles by Gdr. The template is a navigational template, it have been discussed before and now GDR thinks there is a consensus since one user was agains and one for removal adding his agains that was a consensus, so he used his bot to remove (not delete) it. See discussion at Template talk:Sharks. I have stated my point there as has he, or stan opinion that GDR agrees with. I can not start a edit war with a admin with a bot so I found this place and though this was a good place to discuss. Also see my suggestion to add nav links under language links? not sure if possible, probably better than this template but that is not the vote. This vote is either for deletion and not usage of the template or for keeping and adding the template back to the articles where it was removed from. Stefan 13:05, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Preview

Delete: It is listed as a template message for the user talk namespace, but it is too large to put on a user's talk page. It is also just a redirect to Wikipedia:Show preview, which makes it somewhat redundant. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 01:59, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

July 31

Template:Noteworthy Artscene Groups

Should be deleted per WP:CLS#Article_series_boxes. Lists six out of nine arbitrarily selected groups from Category:Artscene groups. Only two users have ever edited it, it's clearly POV. --ZeroOne 13:56, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Stuyvesant High School infobox and Template:Stuyvesant High School infobox2

Delete: Not used anywhere. Presumably Template:Stuyvesant High School infobox2 doesn't need to be a template either? I haven't listed this second one, but surely the code should just be dumped into the article itself? (sorry - my first time in the TfD zone!) Bobbis 22:40, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete move used one to article sub page, or use other available template boxes that perform same function. Redirect un-used one to sub-page. ∞Who?¿? 00:38, 1 August 2005 (UTC) update vote ∞Who?¿? 04:48, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Subst: and delete, obviously only subst:ing the used one (infobox2). These are specific to one article. I have added the other one to this TfD too, there's no need to separate them. I have also notified the article's talk, the creator's talk and the templates' talk pages. -Splash 01:34, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the second one but move it to the first one's name. Templates used on only a single page are permissible if the content they represent is sufficiently complicated as to clutter the page source and interfere with editting. I may have an unusually low threshold for judging this, but 30+ lines of table code right at the start of an article is sufficiently complicated for me that I would rather see this kept as a template. Dragons flight 02:40, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
    • Ah, did you see the code that is now on Stuyvesant High School page? It's been changed to an infobox. Therefore, there is no need for either of these two templates. -Hyad 05:47, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
      • Okay, if they want the infobox version then delete both. Dragons flight 23:12, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Personal opinion: There should be a Wikipedia Policy that any single-use template for an article should be a subpage of that article and then transcluded from there. Therefore my vote is to move to article subpage(s). BlankVerse ∅ 15:25, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am persuaded by User:BlankVerse's argument. So Move to subpage per User:BlankVerse. for the template in current use. Delete the currently unused template. DES 15:31, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • User:BlankVerse's idea is an excellent one, and I too am persuded by it. So Move to subpage per User:BlankVerse, for the template in current use. Delete the currently unused template. -Splash 15:34, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move the one being used to a subpage and then Delete the redirect and other name per User:BlankVerse. Vegaswikian 00:19, 2 August 2005 (UTC) Speedy Delete both. Neither one is being used and they are too specific to be used in any other articles. Vegaswikian 19:37, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. There is no need for either template as both the html text has been converted to a wiki-friendly infobox on the Stuyvesant High School page on August 1st. -Hyad 05:47, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete both The Stuyvesant High School article—if it exists—should be using the one of the school infoboxes, not creating their own. --JB Adder | Talk 10:13, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete both. Can't seem to agree that this a template. Agree with the aboveLacrymology 10:34:26, 2005-08-05 (UTC)

July 30

Template:Technical limitation redirect

A strange reversed version of {{wrongtitle}}. See [2] for an example of how it was being used, and Talk:Pokémon#Redirect due to "technical limitations" for previous discussion. --cesarb 23:40, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Japanese

This template is a Japanese language table. The idea has been brought up before at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_for_Japan-related_articles#Template_for_articles_Japanese_terms. People who responded were unanimously opposed. --Tokek 23:01, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep. It looks like the discussion you've linked to was related to {{Japanesename}}, not this template. Skimming the discussion, it seems the opposition was focused on the fact that the other template was cluttered due to the extra transliterations. Perhaps this smaller, less cluttered box with only one transliteration would be more acceptable. If it were used consistently, I think it could be useful. —HorsePunchKid→龜 (かめ, kame ;) 23:48, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I applied this template on the Suikoden article if people want to see what it looks like in context. I think it's fairly unobtrusive. I will revert here if consensus is to delete the template. —HorsePunchKid→龜 00:03, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • The discussion linked was about the exact same idea. As mentioned in the older discussion, the format "term (kanji romaji)" suits Japanese-related articles well, while for other languages, a table might add value. If Japanese tables are to be kept, however, merge {{Japanesename}} and {{Japanese}}, or delete one. --Tokek 04:50, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the discussion was about the same basic idea, but as I said, the objections appeared to be largely about the fact that the box was cluttered (due to excess transliterations). My point was that because this template is substantially different in that respect, the unanimity in rejecting the other template is not as relevant as you implied. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. I agree that one or the other should go, in any event. —HorsePunchKid→龜 05:15, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the arguments made against the idea of using tables still hold irrespective of table size. "Lesser obtrusiveness" would be a reason for me to vote "slightly weaker delete." --Tokek 08:47, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: This may sound silly, but I think that if these templates are kept and merged, the final name should probably be something more like {{kanji-info}}. As BlankVerse has pointed out, Japanese is too vague, and Japanesename is too specific (not that that would necessarily limit how people apply it). I think kanji-info would be a good target name, since (presumably) the only people who would be adding this template would know the term kanji, and further, kanji-info makes it more clear what the purpose of the template is. —HorsePunchKid→龜 02:51, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
As an alternative, maybe a template like the one I've put up in my sandbox might be more appropriate. It contains basically the same information. The only problem is that both the wiki markup and the output are necessarily rather large. —HorsePunchKid→龜 03:09, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Er... that's a pretty spartan template... also doesn't reference katakana 132.205.44.43 19:31, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think kanji-info would work too well, if the kanji portion said "none" to inform the reader that this cannot be rendered in kanji... 132.205.44.43 19:38, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for commenting! The version I made is spartan specifically so that it can be used inline, perhaps as a way of ensuring consistent formatting in articles with Japanese terms renderable in kanji in their titles, if that makes any sense. There is no reference to katakana because they are not (as far as I'm aware) used for furigana, except possibly to distinguish on and kun readings, which I don't think is important here. But we could just have the link go to kana instead of hiragana, if it's an issue. —HorsePunchKid→龜 05:06, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. — Instantnood 14:54, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. It's possible that there are specific articles where this would come in handy. Until then, it isn't doing any harm, and it isn't likely to be confused with anything else. -- Visviva 13:50, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

July 29

Template:PD-awio

This template seems to misunderstand the concept of public domain. kmccoy (talk) 06:31, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Agree with Kmccoy. Evil Monkey∴Hello 06:38, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Assumes that when released info will automatically will be public domain, seems like a misunderstanding of public domain. Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 06:44, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Agree, this is apparently a misunderstanding of PD.--Pharos 06:46, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or at least rename. The authorities release these images into the public domain, but if people are uncomfortable with the p/d bit perhaps the tag could be called "released for information" minus the p/d part. I'd say that these images -are- public domain myself because the owners of the image intend for it to be used everywhere, to gain publicity. --PopUpPirate 19:05, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
    • "Public domain" and "display everywhere" are two very different things. If an image is in the public domain, you can modify it to make derivative works. If it's released for display everywhere, no modification is permitted. --Carnildo 19:15, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • They are not public domain. Frequently, a press releases or similar material is disseminated without restrictions on copying (i.e. encouraging broad distribution), but users are forbidden from modifying the material or making excerpts from it (except as allowed under fair use, etc). Material released by the US government and related agencies is public domain under {{PD-USGov}} however. Dragons flight 19:19, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
      • Material created by the US government and related agencies is public domain. Saying "released" makes it sound like an image released by the FBI is automatically PD, which it is not, for the reasons noted above. kmccoy (talk) 19:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, as above. Dragons flight 19:19, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Non Notables In Image

Pure madness.--Eloquence* 02:50, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Test7

Unnecessary and confrontational. We've done fine up until now with templates test and test2-test5. Jtdirl has created Template:Test6 and Template:Test7 with no discussion. Test7 is particularly problematic because we never ban IP addresses indefinitely, except in the case of open proxies. Calling someone a "serial vandal" is not likely to make them change their ways. Rhobite 01:05, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

  • keep This template was created to deal with a specific problem over a user who repeatedly appeared to write comments on the page of a user who is gay, accusing him of being a faggot, and implicitly accusing him of child abuse. He has already been blocked indefinitely by other users. Tonight I imposed a 24 hour ban. He promptedly came back under a new IP and began adding in other homophobic abuse on pages. (The user being attacked on principle does not like people protecting his page.) But something had to be done to stop the vandal. This problem does occasionally occur. No amount of polite appeals were going to stop this individual. Nor was the vandalism a minor matter. Some people might see the vandalism and going on the old addage about no smoke without fire might think, utterly incorrectly in that case, that the user in question had engaged in, or was a defender of, under-age sex with children . The best tactic in this case was to put an explicit, graphically designed statement making it quite clear that Wikipedia knew what the vandal was up do, knew he was jumping between IPs to make the attacks, was not going to tolerate it and would impose indefinite blocks on him to stop it. It left him with two choices: continue to change IPs and come back to add in homophobic comments on user pages and so find himself blocked every time, or, if he wanted to be a real contributor, stop. The message worked. He stopped. In this case he was a serial vandal making potentially slanderous and highly damaging attacks on a respected user.
Both templates are not likely to be regularly used. Both are aimed at extreme cases. One reminds someone engaged in serious vandalism that if, when they come back after a block expires they start back at the vandalism they may be blocked for a longer period. (Two such examples occurred recently which I had to deal with. One guy is on his third block.) The other was aimed at someone jumping between IPs and warned them that their actions were known and would be dealt with. Only a tiny number of cases would need either message. In those extreme cases, the messages are there for use if necessary. (BTW I don't know where you get the idea that Wikipedia never bans IP addresses all the time. It does so all the time. Indefinitely means for an undefined period of time. In reality most such blocks I impose I unblock after a day or two. Wikipedians do impose such blocks many times a day.) Fear�IREANN\(caint) 01:29, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment You are aware that IP banning a dynamic IP is inneffective and pointless, right? First of all, they change with every logon, so you never can succesfully block the user until you've blocked every potential address at their ISP. Second of all, blocking these addresses also locks out legitimate editors, whose only crime is that they happen to share the same ISP. I don't deny that there are times where this template may be of use, but these would be rare indeed. I believe that there are already templates for these "special cases" were such a block would be warranted. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 01:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • You block IP addresses indefinitely? Do you trust yourself to remember to unblock them? Why don't you just block them for a number of hours or days? Rhobite 02:01, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
Because I make a list and have it beside me. And the reason I don't specify a timespan is because sometimes I play it by ear and give it a few minutes, sometimes an hour or two. Also the location of the vandal may make a difference. In some timezones the odds are they'll be logging off shortly. In others they could be on for a few hours. It depends on whether it was just some asshole messing and who after he found himself blocked would go off and find something else to play with (maybe himself!) or whether, like the pillock above, it someone acting seriously and making slanderous and abusive comments that could hurt the reputation of someone here. Now that he has stopped I will be unblocking his IPs. If he was still at it I'd wait til he stopped coming back, then unblock one and see would be use it to revandalise. If he didn't, then I'd unblock the lot. Fear�IREANN\(caint)
  • Delete. Unnecessary, and maybe Judge Roy Bean there ought to reconsider his working methods. --Calton | Talk 02:35, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Uneccessary and confrontational, if you really need something for a specific circumstance you can always create a subpage and transclude it by using {{user:USERNAME/subpage}}, there's no need to create a global template for one circumstance. Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 06:38, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Templates should be in wide use; you don't need to use a template message when blocking a user, you can tailor your own. Since this is going to be a rarity, a template in not neccessary. --Scimitar parley 16:27, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - as said, it's just not needed. Dan100 (Talk) 17:42, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as per Scimitar. Joyous (talk) 22:55, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

July 28

Template:Speedyimage

Bogus speedy deletion template (there is no such CSD criteria). Delete. --cesarb 21:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

July 27

Template:SOWL

Obsoleted by Template:Consonants.  Denelson83  23:12, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - I am not a linguist. However, the two templates look radically different and are presumably trying to do different things. I note however that very few pages link to the template proposed for deletion compared to Template:Consonants.--AYArktos 23:45, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • No vote. I don't fully understand the obsolescence here, but I'm no linguist/grammarian. Can the nominator explain a little further? -Splash 00:01, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and/or expand {{Consonants}}. Right now, Consonants simply can't replace SOWL completely. As someone more than passing familiar with IPA, even I am not sure exactly where all of the places of articulation are in the IPA table. I have to hover over the links to see "velar fricative" and whatnot. On top of that, the SOWL template will get you to information about vowel sounds; this appears to be totally absent from Consonants. In summary, it's very hard for me to see how Consonants makes SOWL obsolete. —HorsePunchKid→龜
  • Comment: I'm no longer sure about my vote. It looks like Denelson83 has already taken {{SOWL}} out of every page that it showed up on. I think that action was limited to consonant pages, in which case it's certainly fine. I would like to see the {{Consonants}} template updated to match {{Vowels}} a little bit more closely; in particular, I'm still interested in seeing the articulation labels added as in this standard chart. Certainly Consonants still doesn't obsolete SOWL; it's just totally different. So my question is: Are there any pages that would be served better by SOWL than either Vowels or Consonants? (By the way, I appreciate the improvement since this got listed here! Perhaps the points I've brought up here would be better addressed on the template's talk page?) —HorsePunchKid→龜 06:02, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I have just obsoleted Template:SOWL further by actually caving into your opinion and putting articulatory labels into Template:Consonants.  Denelson83  07:17, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I think the new version looks great and provides all of the information I would like to see. I hope you're not just "caving in" to shut me up, though! If you see any specific problems with having the labels there, please elaborate, though it might be better done on the {{Consonants}} talk page. With the vowel and consonant templates as they currently are, I no longer see too much value in SOWL. Let's delete it. —HorsePunchKid→龜 04:28, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Integral theory4

Delete: Fork of {{Integral theory}}, not used anywhere. —PrologFan {Talk} 21:23, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Movecat

This is borderline duplicating of Template:Cfd, and it also, when placed prior to the cfd discussion closing, encourages people to empty the category, in direct violation of the Cfd notice: Please do not remove this notice or empty the category while the question is being considered. --Kbdank71 16:41, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Agreed, this confuses the issue more than helping it. Courtland 18:31, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment doesn't this indicate a category that has already undergone CfD approval for merger or rename, and thus indicate a category that will only exist long enough to move articles out of it before being deleted? 132.205.3.20 20:58, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • It would appear to indicate that yes. However, the CfD notice usually remains on the cat until it has been fully dealt with, and that contains a link to the CfD page/discussion. Generally, cats are moved/renamed more or less on the spot either by human or by bot, so this notice doesn't have much of a life. -Splash 00:01, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete; risks being placed during discussion, is not used in the CfD process and would only be appropriate very transitorily. -Splash 00:01, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Otherlang

This template was proposed as a test (see Wikipedia_talk:Featured_articles_in_other_languages#Template) but It has been replaced by Template:FAOL. CG 08:17, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Nn-bio

As an admin who handles CSD I almost speedy deleted this one. Like Template:Db:a1 I put here on TFD earlier, I am very concerned about having specialized CSD tags for each and every CSD criterion. This is instruction creep. The less templates added to Category:Candidates for speedy deletion, the better. Only {{nonsense}} and {{deleteagain}} are useful as extra templates, since they are very common; the rest can get {{deletebecause}}. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:48, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Extreme Delete. more m:Instruction creep. If the folks on RC patrol really think that there need to be some more templates, the should get together with the admins handling CSD and agree on some reasonable templates with reasonable names. Otherwise, as User: Zzyzx11 said, the fewer templates the better. BlankVerse ∅ 10:15, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Agreed, this one is not needed. Sjakkalle (Check!) 10:17, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • See also {{deletevanity}} and its redirect {{dv}}. —Cryptic (talk) 14:00, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I created this as a tool. How is it instruction creep? No one is required to use it, it simply provides a quicker way to do the exact same thing. If soemone objects to the name (which seems fairly clear to me) then suggest a better one, the tempalte can always be moved to a better name if one is proposed. If anyone prefers not to use this template, that person can use {{db}} insted. But this saves a lot of typing when encountering many non-notable-bios, and does no harm. The name is not nearly as esoteric as that of Template:Db:a1 DES 14:34, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I don't see the instruction, so I don't see the creep. Why would you have me type exactly those words out by hand all the time? What would that achieve? -Splash 14:38, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment m:Instruction creep says Instruction creep occurs when a well-meaning user thinks "Hrm ... this page would be better if everyone was supposed to do this". Nowhere does this template say that everyoen is supposed to do soemthing, and nowhere is it even hinted that everyone who wnats to speedy an articel under CSD A7 should or must use this tempalte, so where is the instruction, and where is the creep? An expanded toolset is not the same as an expanded list of instructions. DES 14:44, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply: It is m:Instruction creep when a well-meaning person starts adding all sorts of addition ways to say {{deletebecause}} when that template (and it's very short redirect {{db}}) is sufficient for the task. I think that you should be paying particularly close attention when one of the admins who is responsible for responding to the various delete tags when he says this one is unneeded and unwanted. BlankVerse ∅ 15:46, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep: Extremely useful template. About 30% of newly created articles need this tag. It is needed far more than {{nonsense}}. --malathion talk 16:04, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The template is not necessary. Hall Monitor 16:19, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    Reply {{nonsense}} is not "necessary" either but it is extremely useful. The only difference is that {{nonsense}} is already in common use. I don't see any reason why those of us who regularly babysit Wikipedia for new vanity articles should have to type all that every time. I tagged more than 10 articles in an just hour with it. --malathion talk 16:31, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I'm struggling to see the instruction creep. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 18:34, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Instruction creep? I don't see how. Anyway, it's sure easier than typing all that out. --Canderson7 20:17, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. No instructions, no creep. Handy shortcut for {{deletebecause}}. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickptar (talk • contribs) 15:36, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral as I helped create one of the above templates and would probably constitute a conflict of intrests. That being said, the reason people see a creation for these templates is a) there was a new CSD which partially warrants it and b) vanity pages are so very common on new pages patrol that this is pretty useful to any non-admin. That being said, I don't think EVERY speedy delete category requires a tag but this one is so frequently used that it makes sense to have it's own template. There's my two cents. Sasquatch′↔T↔C 22:32, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong keep The majority of speedies are this one, and I'd rather not have to type this every time I need it. If we're going to get rid of templates, I'd suggest {{nonsense}}, since most articles tagged with it don't fall under Wikipedia's definition of the word. Denni☯ 01:10, 2005 July 28 (UTC)
  • Delete, I would prefer that people take the time to type {{db|reason}} rather than use this. JYolkowski // talk 01:30, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, not instruction creep as it's in no way compulsory for the CSD-marker. Even if we get one template per CSD marker, that wouldn't pollute the template namespace too badly would it? --fvw* 07:06, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep. I find it very helpful. The template contains quite a bit of helpful explanation and a citation of the releved CSD rules, which would be a pain to type out manually. --Pyroclastic 08:10, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep It's faster to type, you don't have to use it so it's not instruction creep. cohesion | talk 09:13, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep per above, this can certainly be useful. - ulayiti (talk) 15:52, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • leep.@@@@
  • Keep. Tools are not instruction creep; that said, make sure that these criteria templates are similar in format and appearance to {{db}}. --Titoxd 20:11, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, but rename. Since one of the complaints about these templates (see also Template:db:a1 below) is that they end up sprinkled throughout Category:Candidates for speedy deletion, making it inconvenient for administrators who are cleaning out the category. Perhaps we can agree on a single prefix for all the speedy deletion templates so that they appear together in the (alphabetically-sorted) category? For example, this template could be renamed Template:db-bio. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 20:36, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • The same should be used for {{{Db:a1}}}, which is up for deletion below. If specialized templates are going to be used, start them with "db-" so they don't clutter the category. --Titoxd 20:46, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but Rename. I think it is a useful template for a very common speedy category (remember these are very common which is why this critera was created to begin with). No one is required to use it so I really don't see any downside to having it around. I do agree with the proposal to rename it though. Its currently a bit clumsy to type/remember. Gblaz 22:10, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
    Reply I suggest using {{dv}}, which redirects to this template and is easy to type/remember (Delete Vanity). --malathion talk 23:29, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete; instruction creep, and unprofessional in the cryptic reference to "CSD A7." (Newbies will call that "proof by intimidation.") Certainly needs a renaming if the consensus is "keep." Also, Blu Aardvark suggests turning this template into a subpage of {{db}}, which I think is an excellent idea, as long as it's actually possible. We could have {{db/test}}, {{db/nonsense}}, {{db/vandalism}}, {{db/again}}, and {{db/vanity}}. As far as I'm concerned, "non-notable" and "vanity" ought to be synonymous; if somebody's making a page about a non-notable person and it's not out of vanity, I want to know why. :) (With the exception of Internet fads like the Numa Numa kid, I guess.) --Quuxplusone 22:43, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    Reply If you think the "CSD A7" reference is bad, please feel free to edit the template, or bring that up on the talk page. Incidentally, I agree that it shouldn't be explicitly named in the template, since the candidates for speedy deletion critera are already linked. As for the subpage idea, I wouldn't mind that, just as long as the template exists in some easy to type form. --malathion talk 23:29, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I've taken the liberty of moving the template to Template:Deletebecause/vanity, to help clear up the category listing a bit. All of the redirects have been corrected accordingly, and you can use either of them. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 08:45, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have moved it back and reverted the edit. The rename makes this useless as a tool, or nearly so, the point is to have soemthign shrot and memorable to type. Having to type "deletebecause/vanity" is worhless. Besiude this is not about "vanity" this is about non-notability or more exactly absence of any claims of notability. The reference to CSD A7 should in my view stay, ther is already a link to the CSD, and this tells anyone seeing this mesage exactly which itme on that page is being referenced. I am trying to assume good faith, but these chages seem like attemps by people who don't like this template to reder it pointless. The explicit mention of A7 is less vital, but the move is rediculous. do we have any other commonly used tool template that is a subpage? Do we have any normal template that is a subpage? Really now. DES 14:37, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    Did you read what he said about the redirects? You do not have to type the full template name, just use one of the redirects (yes, {{nn-bio}} won't stop working just because the template was moved, as long as the redirect is still there). However, having all the delete templates bunched together in the category is less confusing for admins cleaning the category. --cesarb 15:09, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Perhaps I was hasty, but then it seems to me that Blu Aardvark wasa hasty also. does he plan to do tbis with {{[[Template: e | e ]]}} that is really more instruction creep. First, it is much easier to type "{{db|Little or no context}}". Second, all of the CSD tags already say in the second paragraph that if "you intend to fix it, please remove this notice." Zzyzx11 (Talk) 14:14, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Might I add that as an admin who handles CSD, the less templates adding to Category:Candidates for speedy deletion, the better. Only {{nonsense}} and {{deleteagain}} are useful as extra templates, since they are very common; the rest can get {{deletebecause}} or {{db}}. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:40, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This seems like a handy tool for anyone on new page patrol, although I might have called it {{db-empty}} as being easier to remember.DES 14:19, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment (no vote at this time). The reason I added the text the way that I did is that I hope that it will encourage people to expand the articles, and avoid deletion. In other words, I added the extra text for the potential benefit of regular non-admin editors who might stumble upon the article, and choose to expand it. If anyone can see any way the template can be improved, feel free. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 21:27, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I'd just like to state, I do understand the reasoning behind this nomination, and extra templates that clutter up the category can make things a bit confusing. The primary reason I created this template, as I said, was to hopefully encourage people to expand articles that meet speedy delete criteria, and avoid the deletions. But it does raise the issue that, if a template is created for one speedy deletion criteria, what would stop others from being created? If this were to happen, we'd certainly have a cluttered category. I don't really see this template as instruction creep, but I agree that it isn't really needed.--Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 07:41, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (and rename). This is the equivalent of {{db| Article does not appear to contain sufficient information to warrant an article. If you can correct this, please do so and remove this notice.}}, which is not (in practice) going to be used. Don't bite the newbies. Septentrionalis 02:12, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • As I wrote above, if "you intend to fix it, please remove this notice." is already in the second paragraph on all of the CSD tags. Adding "If you can correct this, please do so and remove this notice" is redundant. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:37, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename. Tools aren't instruction creep, since no one is really required to use it, and it sure seems a lot easier than typing all that Septentrionalis wrote! --Titoxd 03:39, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Extreme Delete. They should be using {{db}}. There is no need for a specialized version of that template. BlankVerse ∅ 09:48, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, I don't see where I am instructed or even recommended to use this, so I don't see any creep. If the words on the screen are the same as when I type them out in full manually, what harm is done? -Splash 14:40, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note I have edited this to remove the redundant comment about removing the notice, so anyone who felt that was the major problem with this template might want to reconsider his or her vote. DES 19:31, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, I'd prefer that people use {{db|reason}} to provide a specific reason rather than using this template. JYolkowski // talk 01:32, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note. I renamed the template from template:db:a1 to template:deletebecause/empty to help clear some of the clutter from the category, and perhaps make it easier on the admins. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 01:26, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I don't see any instruction creep here. --malathion talk 01:57, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. See earlier comments for {{nn-bio}}, above. =P Xaa 04:47, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:QOTD

Apparently a template for an abortive Quote of the day project. If this was being organized by the folks at Wikiquote as a daily feature, I'd love to see it. As is, it should be deleted. I'll let someone else have the fun of taking Wikipedia:Quote of the day to WP:VFD. BlankVerse ∅ 12:48, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Moved to Wiktionary

Delete as redundant to {{VFD}} and unused. --Dmcdevit�t 09:02, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Bordered

As meta templates go, this one is pretty egregious - it forces everything to be class="notice metadata" id="cleanup" in addition to the stylistic formatting, which really should be handled in css instead of a template. I've reverted it out of Template:spoiler and Template:endspoiler and pre-emptively substed it in Template:stub, Template:dynamic list, and Template:OntarioSH. Leaving it in the latter three at all was against my better judgement. —Cryptic (talk) 04:21, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as said, CSS should handle this and not meta-templates. violet/riga (t) 09:16, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I believe it is easier to memorize how to put a template in an article rather than the base code for bordered notices. --SuperDude 15:23, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, as above. For starters, naming a template after what it does graphically is a poor idea. Having a template that does little other than put a border around another piece of text has little value. Applying an XHTML ID to such a generic template is bound to cause validation problems, since IDs (naturally) are intended to be unique in a page. You might be able to fix some of the problems, but I suspect that fixing them will remove essentially any value the template might have had. —HorsePunchKid→龜 17:40, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, as above. This is better done via CSS. -Splash 23:56, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Stub-base

Redundant to Template:Metastub. —Cryptic (talk) 03:53, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Redirectbug

And associated category Category:Redirectbug.

I can't figure out why this exists. It is only used on one page, and so I think subst'ing it in should be sufficient. There's no point to a template and creating a category for this. --Dmcdevit�t 00:12, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

  • Subst:, delete...I can't figure this out either! -Splash 23:56, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think this is an (extremely minor) example of WP:POINT. Yes, categories can't be the subjects of redirects. It's apparently a known bug, and might even be fixed in the current (not stable) build of MediaWiki, if I'm reading that bug page right. There's no reason to make a category page about it. Delete. --Quuxplusone 22:50, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. No such bug. Comment By linking to categories with a lead-in colon, redirects work, although there are a few errors in the category display. Example. It works like this: #REDIRECT [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion]]. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 23:00, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's those "few errors in the category display" that are the problem for shortcuts like CAT:CSD (which, being a shortcut, like the WP:WP shortcuts, is far less useful at Wikipedia:CAT:CSD than at its original location, by the way). Uncle G 03:39:22, 2005-07-29 (UTC)
  • keep, even though it is currently only used on one page, the problem it describes is potentially relevant to other pages in the future. If/When a fixed version of wikimedia is implemented then it can be deleted of course, but not before. As any mathematician will tell you, having a set with only one member can be perfectly meaningfull :). Thue | talk 09:13, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Thue. This works as a soft redirect, as the regular redirect doesn't work quite as it should. Apparently, redirects to categories are treated as if they were in the main namespace, and so the category contents are not listed. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 09:22, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Mathematics

This template not linked from any article. The templates {quantity}, {change}, {space} and {structure} mentioned in this template are themselves up for deletion below, it it seems they are going to be deleted. In addition, this template joins topics not having anything in common besides the fact that they are math. As such,

July 25

Template:Gay

Strange anon creation. Kill it. Dragons flight 08:12, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Template:AcademicBoosterism

Created as a joke, being used in lieu of discussion. - Nunh-huh 23:58, 24 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Points are to be raised on talk pages, not templates. - Nunh-huh 08:32, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, as per Courtland. Just another synonym for NPOV, and this template is more likely to discourage productive discussion than encourage it. Having a somewhat inflammatory name for a template that is intended to help resolve NPOV disputes is just silly. —HorsePunchKid→龜 07:48, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
We have a science-fiction stub which is more specific than the general stub, and we have a Star Trek stub which is more specific still. What's wrong with a slightly more specific version of the NPOV banner? Anville 13:35, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Please read my comment again. I think I was fairly clear about my concern. ;) —HorsePunchKid→龜 20:10, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, it does not relate to any part of Wikipedia policy that is not already covered by the various NPOV templates, and it has a design that is pretty unpleasant. -Splash 17:11, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete If the article is not NPOV, tag it as such. This just lends itself to edit wars around the Harvard-Yale football game, for example.--SarekOfVulcan 19:38, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Edit, Keep, Make More. I agree with Courtland and others that this is a strain of POV disease, but I disagree that this is a reason for killing the template. {{NPOV}} and similar templates are warnings to the reader that something may be wrong with the article, however most of these templates do little to explain what the problem is. If we assume that many people read encyclopedia articles about subjects with which they are unfamiliar, then a naive reader may have no way of recognizing what the problem actually is. Because of this I would advocate the creation of either a number of general classes of NPOV templates to identify specific types of problems (of which this could be one), and/or the creation of a template {{POV-because}}, which could take a parameter for giving an explanation of what the POV problem is. I do think however, that all of the NPOV type templates need to conform to a similar style, and as such this would need to be redesigned without the ugly graphic and with a link to NPOV. Dragons flight 20:56, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
I guess I don't have any specific problem with expanding the selection of POV indicators, as long as it is done in such a way that they are visually consistent, non-invasive, and non-inflammatory. This particular one fails each of those criteria but could certainly be cleaned up to conform. —HorsePunchKid→龜 22:21, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. The nature of how an article has strayed into non-NPOV should be described in gory detail (complete with blood stains from the debates) in the talk-space. True, the underlying reasons for putting the general non-NPOV template on are not obvious to the casual reader, but they should be clear to the reader who reads the article deeply and who takes the talk-space as part of the clarification of the article's treatment of the topic. Regards, Courtland 23:19, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
I have gone ahead and created {{POV-because|Some Reason}} for the purposes of having an NPOV template that can note for the benefit of the reader what the issue in question is. I also added it to the page of dispute message templates. If people don't like this, well then, there is always TFD, but I think this fills an important and valuable niche given that the issues in dispute are often not obvious to the reader. The instructions on the template's talk page still say that the issue should always be explained in detail on talk. Dragons flight 21:18, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Improve and keep. Changed vote, see below Yes, it's too big, it's too intrusive. Nunh-huh's comment that it's been used in lieu of discussion is fair. Academic boosterism is, however, a real problem, because it spreads from article to article and keeps reinfecting articles. Every few months I'll see a fresh crop of six paragraphs about "prestige" or U. S. News rankings sprouting up somewhere, and the justification given is always that some other school has done it, and theirs is much worse. The reason why I think it might be appropriate to use this in place of a standard NPOV is that I believe the warning should be weaker than the NPOV warning. Academic boosterism usually does not mean that the article is factually inaccurate. It's more a question of vanity, not bias. Taste, not accuracy. I, for one, want to be able to read about my alma mater without having a bunch of cardinal and gray butt feathers waved in my face, and I believe most other readers feel the same way. Other encyclopedias can talk about colleges without sounding like the admissions department, why can't we? Dpbsmith (talk) 22:40, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • And this template will assist in producing such an article how? It was used to label about ten successive college articles - none of them with any particular issues regarding boosterism-- in a flurry of vandalism, and none of them with any notation on the accompanying talk page. Why should we make that easy? - Nunh-huh 22:54, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. First off, :) the way you (User:Dpbsmith) put things made me laugh. Thanks. I hadn't thought on the notion of a weaker version of non-NPOV warnings, but I can see your point. There was a discussion of "community pride" in some deletion-related debate a while ago and this relates to it in an indirect way; there is no reason for the pride of an author with regard to a topic to compromise the tone or factual accuracy of the treatment in the case of social organizations and institutions .. it is that pride among members that keeps such things in existence and leads them to grow, and to talk about them. I'll have to think some more on that and consider my vote in the context of your comments ... Courtland 23:26, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
      • As I've said elsewhere, this is a matter for a style guide, for reasoned discussion, or for collaborative editing. Applying a disparaging label to someone's enthusiasm for their school, and smashing that label in their face by plastering a template on the article they've contributed to does not seem like a step toward a solution to me. - Nunh-huh 00:45, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Nunh-huh has convinced me. (I hate it when that happens.) Dpbsmith (talk) 13:06, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete!. Redundant with {{NPOV}}. Unnecesary, unneeded. BlankVerse ∅ 13:09, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, as this is a real problem, and as the casual reader cannot be expected to go through everything that's written on the talk page just so that they can be able to read an encyclopedia article without having to doubt everything that's said there. - ulayiti (talk) 16:05, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • So all articles without the template are guaranteed not to have the problem?! Er no! The person who reads an article with the problem should fix it, not add a template. Template like this are a disease affecting the quality of articles of Wikipedia and should be deleted as fast as procedure allows. Pcb21| Pete 16:25, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I didn't say that. It's just that the {{NPOV}} template is effectively a way of saying that 'there's something wrong with this article, but we're not gonna tell you what it is', and, as such, discourages casual users from reading and/or believing what's written in the articles. If there's no template, people will tend to believe it. If there's a template that says exactly what's wrong with the article, people might believe everything else in the article. But if the template is vague like {{NPOV}}, they won't bother. And what comes to your argument that 'The person who reads an article with the problem should fix it, not add a template', then why do we have cleanup templates in the first place? Shouldn't anyone who sees problems in articles automatically fix them within the next five seconds? - ulayiti (talk) 16:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • "there's something wrong with this article, but we're not gonna tell you what it is" — The NPOV template does specifically direct the reader to the talk page for more information about what's wrong with the article. This seems like a very good solution to me. If you are seeing instances of that template with no relevant discussion, perhaps you should remove the template. —HorsePunchKid→龜 20:31, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete.--Eloquence* 02:54, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, this is not the way to deal with academic boosterism (or "school spirit" as we used to call it). --Angr/tɔk tə mi 23:21, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete redundant with other NPOV templates. ∞Who?¿? 12:01, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

July 24

Template:Song infobox

There's another one called Template:Single infobox already used on quite a few articles. So delete. -- pmam21talkarticles 02:29, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep, until migration is complete, no? It seems to be on quite a few articles. -Splash 17:13, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • No offense, but it's only used in 4 articles (3 Beatles songs, 1 Rolling Stones). Migration will be really quick. If you're confused, Template:Single infobox is the on used alot, not the Song infobox.
  • Keep until either one template is used or a third is created from a merger. Infoboxes are complicated and useful beasts in general because they encourage the organization of (in many cases) mundane information, allowing the article text to tell a unique story about the topic. The deletion of one just because there is a competing one with overlapping scope isn't in the best interests of Wikipedia. Courtland 00:56, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
    • Similar comment to as above. Of course, templates are good. Anyway, the one up for deletion (Song infobox) is only in 4 articles. It will be quick. -- pmam21talkarticles 11:10, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. These looks like an issue that should be handled by the participants at Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs, instead of here at WP:TFD. BlankVerse ∅ 14:29, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. That's a pretty good idea, a good precedent to start perhaps. Courtland 23:54, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. I'm the original author of the template, and I see here that Template:Single infobox is pretty much the same and it was created earlier, so it should be the one that stays. If I had known that other one existed, I wouldn't have created Template:Song infobox. --Arcadian 16:30, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. Thanks for coming forward to say that, Arcadian. :) Courtland 23:56, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep My reasoning being, we have some songs that weren't released as singles where this box would work. Such as... pretty much every Beatles song article we have that wasn't released as a single. Most are stubs and this box would improve them. Redwolf24 21:42, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Template:Single infobox They're one and the same, but some people will still use this template name. Why...better off asking them. --JB Adder | Talk 05:12, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete If needed I'll do the 4 migrations, god. Do we really need to discuss this if it's been used only 4 times and everyone seems to agree they are pretty much the same? maybe modify Template:Single infobox so it's not only for singles anymore 06:02:20, 2005-08-05 (UTC)

July 22

Template:Asiamiles

This seems very similar to the WorldPerks template, which reached a consensus of categorize and delete. The same should be done with this. Dbinder 16:53, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep unless there's a consensus to delete all airline alliance and loyalty programme templates. — Instantnood 12:35, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
    • No one said anything about deleting alliance templates. I do believe all frequent flyer program templates should be deleted though. Dbinder 13:57, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Are there more loyalty programme templates around? As for the airline alliance templates, these are different in that an airline is only a member of 1 so you do not have issues with multiple templates. Vegaswikian 23:32, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep or general vote to forbid all nav templates, this one is OK. Stefan 14:22, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete for all of the reasons on the Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:Worldperks. Most of the existing nav templates are limited in how many will appear. This class of templates can mean that there are 20 or 30 templates in an article, I don't believe that is the intention of using templates. Not only would that number make navigation more difficult but it would make it more difficult to find information. In any case, if you check Wikipedia:WikiProject Airlines it says these should be articles if required. Oh, and add another 10-20 templates if you then decide to add templates for airport lounges since they will have the same problem. And then we can do it for code shares. Vegaswikian 18:31, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I can see a use for templates for programs which are native to multiple airlines or other businesses, such as Miles & More (shared by Lufthansa, Austrian Airlines, LOT Polish, etc.) or GoldPoints (Radisson Hotels, TGI Friday's). Only Cathay seems to be native to Asia Miles. Second, Asia Miles is a program, not an alliance; half the partners listed have nothing more to do with each other than with partners Citigroup, Nautica, or the Promenade Restaurant in Kowloon. Third, the practical problem of listing mere partners should be self-evident: Alaska Airlines would have 14 airline templates alone. Hertz, which probably awards more Asia Miles than Royal Brunei, would have 68. - choster 23:10, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WP:RM

I'm not sure I understand the point of this template. It's no less simple than the current procedure at WP:RM, has an obscure name and isn't documented anywhere. Talrias (t | e | c) 11:03, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

July 21

Template:Harry Potter spoiler

Delete: This is obselete, even before it was created. We have happily used {{spoiler}} for Episode III and various other big-name books/movies without issue, I don't see why this is any more useful than {{spoiler}} is. GarrettTalk 03:21, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • maybe leave it for a couple of weeks, then delete it and revert to {{Spoiler}}. I think there are many people who will be very annoyed if they find out and the {{Spoiler}} warning may be not noticible enough for newbies. As for Episode III, I think everyone knew what was gonna happen in that. Supersaiyanplough|(talk) 03:30, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I love the Harry Potter series, but the attitude of the people who write about it here is beginning to annoy. The template is needlessly specific. Superm401 | Talk 03:32, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete and subst. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:42, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete a tad too specific. Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 03:46, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep for at least another week or so. This formatting popped up independently on multiple pages, and was reverted after being converted to the normal spoiler template. I created it to ease transition to {{spoiler}} once things slow down on these articles, as clearly explained on its talk page. Yes, it's overspecific, and large, and annoying, and redundant, but it's a much better solution than having this code on those pages instead of a template. Absolutely should not be substed in its current form, as TBSDY suggests - when deleted, it should be replaced with {{spoiler}}. —Cryptic (talk) 04:49, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Redundant. --[[User:JonMoore|—JonMoore 20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 05:11, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, redundant. Radiant_>|< 08:37, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. — Ram-Man (comment) (talk) 13:34, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep until 1 August, per Cryptic. Then Delete. If we create a Template: New publication spoiler, less visible than this one, but more visible than Template:spoiler, we can avoid this discussion next year. Septentrionalis 15:49, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I guess it could be made a bit smaller, but it is very helpful. I had just finished HBP and was looking at the Wizarding World page. It spoils who dies right there! I thought that the regular spoiler template meant it only had spoilers for the first five books.Keep for at least three more weeks. It takes some people a long time to read the books. It can get smaller over that time.Phoenix Song 16:15, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and replace all instances of this template with {{spoiler}}. I don't think HBP-specific spoilers require their own templates. --Deathphoenix 16:26, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. We have our lovely Template:Spoiler! --Neigel von Teighen 17:04, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and use {{spoiler-about}} to make it clar that the spoilers are for the new work, where this might not be obvious. DES 18:51, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Book 6 was spoiled for me when carlessly reading an article that just had a regular spoiler warning. I was not expecting, that the information was updated so soon and that such spoilers would be at places where I did not expect them (of course I would not have read sections that were specific to book 6). Leave it for one or two weeks, that should be enough to warn other careless readers like me. -- 19:40, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - waaaay too specific. We do not need a template just for spoilers in one book series. Find a better way of doing it. -- Cyrius|✎ 19:41, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - The regular spoiler warning is sufficient. Anyone that claims otherwise is, in my opinion, such a careless reader then they would probably have missed half the plot reading the book anyway. --Colin Angus Mackay 22:33, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - regular spoiler warning sufficient. Ingoolemo talk 02:18, 2005 July 22 (UTC)
  • Keep. The generic spoiler warning is actually insufficient in my interpretation. zen master T 07:55, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't mind either way, as long as you remove all the old spoiler warnings for the previous books. 14:49, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - Do we really want or need 5,000 different spoiler templates? If we keep this one, why not create a new one for every article? Makes no sense and defeats the entire purpose of a template. Gblaz 15:51, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
  • I don't exactly understand the point in deleting a template just because it's narrow. We may be only able to use it for an article or two, but is it really taking up space on the site or something? --SeizureDog 16:59, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or at least use the {{Spoiler}} format. violet/riga (t) 17:01, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Redundant. {{spoiler}} works fine. -Hmib 17:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete / replace with {{spoiler-about}}. Agreed that this is too specific; apologies to the Harry Potter fans but if this template survives then that would be considered tacit support for dozens, neh hundreds of topic-specific spoilers, which I doubt many people would find beneficial. Courtland 01:57, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
Comments: Regarding the concern that this template should be retained until a specified time ... it might be appropriate to use {{Current}} or create a template that deals specifically with time-sensitive spoiler information. With regard to immediate obsolescence, information on the content of works that have not yet been published isn't really something we should encourage for inclusion in an encyclopedia, in my opinion, as it is not descriptive but (in many cases) speculative or (in some cases) ill-gotten (i.e. from a stolen copy of a screenplay published on the internet, for instance .. talking in general terms here and not specifically on the Harry Potter matter). Courtland 02:04, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, use {{spoiler-about}} instead. -Sean Curtin 01:10, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - {{spoiler}} and {{spoiler-about}} are good enough as it is. We don't need specific spoiler warnings for every single book. Aecis 12:47, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- but I like the "new publication" suggestion above.--SarekOfVulcan 18:59, 28 July 2005 (UTC) (forgot to sign it when I voted)[reply]
  • Delete there is nothing special about HP.  Grue  20:38, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this crawl should probably crawl to /dev/null, overly specific and repetitive since we already have a spoiler template and we don't need 50 overly specific ones as well. Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 07:44, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Fancruft m:Instruction creep. BlankVerse ∅ 12:26, 27 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. other templates suffice. To those that had the book spoiled for them, well, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm a contributor to the HP WikiProject, but I also knew that stuff would be getting added very quickly, so I didnt read any of the HP areas of the wiki until I was done reading the book, knowing there would be spoilers-a-plenty. EvilPhoenix talk 18:06, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, too specific; {{spoiler}} should be good for all. K1Bond007 04:56, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Refactor into a current-spoiler template. Although I agree that this template is a bit too specific, there is a need for a more prominent spoiler warning in cases like this. —Brent Dax 00:42, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for a few more weeks as the book hasn´t reached all of its readers yet, people may be curious to check the articles in English even if they can´t read the whole books in English but are awating for translations, which only come at the end of the year. Doidimais Brasil 05:14, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Completely unnecessary.→Encephalon | T | C 14:55:43, 2005-08-06 (UTC)


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