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Omigosh it's Thursday 24 October 2024 !!

Why isn't it yesterday??

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Archive

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Wanted to add my welcome, also. Thank you for all your effort on various pine species. You are obviously an expert. Feel free to say as much or as little about yourself as you wish at User:MPF -- hike395 22:58, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Taxonomic stalking, taxobox, ToL and Categories

I hope you don't mind my stalking you.. I'm not really doing it on purpose... One of the things I like doing is adding/correcting taxoboxes and other taxonomic references. And since I generally use Recent Changes to find my articles, and you've been doing a lot of edits.... Hope ya don't mind! - UtherSRG 17:44, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks - much appreciated! MPF 19:06, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)

MPF - stop by Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life - we've modified the taxobox standards. - UtherSRG 23:25, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Please weigh in: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tree_of_Life#MW_1.3_categories

As to the names Regnum, Divisio etc., I advise you to look at Taxobox components. The purpose of these messages is to allow easy translation of taxobox components for use in other Wikipedias. JoJan 05:38, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Fibonacci numbers and Phyllotaxis

What I have written is available at Talk:Fibonacci_number/Phyllotaxis; please feel free to do whatever you like with it. -- Dominus 02:25, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Faboideae tribes

I've been using the International Legume Database & Information Service, you can search species to find out the tribe and there is a big list of tribes and the species within them (this list includes all legume tribes- so you'd need to sift through it and pull out the Faboideae tribes). I was planning to work through the genera, then summarise the tribes at the end.--nixie 00:38, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started the Free the Rambot Articles Project which has the goals of getting users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to...

  1. ...all U.S. state, county, and city articles...
  2. ...all articles...

using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) version 1.0 and 2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to the GFDL (which every contribution made to Wikipedia is licensed under), but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles (See the Multi-licensing Guide for more information). Since you are among the top 1000 most active Wikipedians, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles.

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} template (or {{MultiLicensePD}} for public domain) into their user page, but there are other templates for other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace {{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}} with {{MultiLicensePD}}. If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know at my talk page what you think. -- Ram-Man 20:23, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

With regards to what you said on my talk page, I will put this in a simple fashion. Anyone using the GFDL can use Wikipedia's articles in their own project. But other open/free projects (WikiTravel for example) use a different, incompatible license, so we can't share with those projects and they can't share with us. What many of us feel is that the license that they use is better and that it's more important that more people be able to use our articles than it is that we keep them from always being able to be used at Wikipedia. Does that help to explain it? (Please reply at my talk page) -- Ram-Man 20:54, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

The commons namespace

Just thought I'd let you know: Wikimedia Commons is covered by the interwiki map. To make a link, use [[commons|(pagename)]]. Alphax τεχ 00:03, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)

admin

Hi - I see you found my list of users with lots of edits who are not admins (I'm laboriously working down the entire list leaving everyone on it a message). The standard message I'm leaving is:

Hi - I made a list of users who've been around long enough to have made lots of edits but aren't admins. If you're at all interested in becoming an admin, can you please add an '*' immediately before your name in this list? I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list, although there is certainly no guarantee anyone will ever look at it.

Just FYI, admins are voted on at WP:RFA. There are links from there describing the super powers they get (it's really not much - ability to easily revert a change, ability to delete/undelete articles, ability to "see" deleted articles, ability to block/unblock troublesome users, ability to protect/unprotect articles, ability to edit some articles regular users can't). Admins are needed to execute the final step of all the deletion processes, and often do things like watch all the recent changes (wikipedia:RC patrol). Nobody is suggesting you should want to be one, but if you do the process is somebody nominates you or you nominate yourself (on WP:RFA). I'm intending my list to be one way somebody who's interested can be found, but without self-nominating (some of the folks who vote on RFA take a dim view of "self-noms"). So, totally up to you (I'm intending to neither encourage nor discourage). -- Rick Block (talk) 21:10, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

Tutu and Cabbage tree.

Hello, I have updated tutu (plant}. See http://nzflora.landcareresearch.co.nz/ for authorative info on NZ plants. I also note that you refute the Torbay Palm name for the Cabbage tree. A quick search on the internet does indeed confirm the alternative name in the UK. Alan Liefting 09:30, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

COM:FPC

I have nominated a picture that you have just posted to COM:FPC LoopZilla 15:31, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

New, colour edited version now online, and nominated... and I must photograph some of my bonsai trees! LoopZilla 12:35, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Phagobox

Hi, I don't know if you caught my latest comment in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life. If you missed it, i've found a huge resource on my favourite subject, what eats what! I'm keen to use this data but I reckon it makes my phagobox proposal critical, for use in both insect and plant pages. As you were the only one to comment on my original proposal, could I ask you to have a look at the prototype I've put into my normal guinea pig article, Ghost Moth and tell me if something similar would be OK for plant pages. I think I would go along the lines of putting these in genus rather than species pages (You'll remember I cited Foxglove Pug as an example of single species monophagy - this database rather surprisingly lists Brassica oleracea as a food plant for the species in Malta!).

As for separating monophagous and polyphagous species in the table, this seems riddled with pitfalls (the Foxglove Pug example proves this), but I will try and work around these. Identifying major pests is important as you pointed out and this is something I will definitely try to incorporate. Richard Barlow 12:48, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments, all useful as usual. I'll do all this (apart from the left-align which I don't know how to resolve either). On your general comments, I'm afraid the source makes no distinction between food plants in terms of how often they are eaten (or survival rates). If the list gets too big maybe a separate article can be done but I'm really rather keen to retain the data rather than a blunt "polyphagous". Maybe the phagobox revolution starts here - imagine a Human phagobox...hmm Richard Barlow 15:50, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for putting some thought into this. I'm starting to think putting this information into plant pages is horribly problematic. The HOSTS database allows you to search by plant as well as by insect. I tried putting in a few plant genera and got the following results for numbers of recorded Lepidopteran feeders: Betula - 2238, Salix - 2919, Quercus - 6213 (all returned too many results for them to be displayed). I still find this data fascinating but like you have said, lists of this size have limited relevance and certainly would have to go on separate pages if at all. Richard Barlow 30 June 2005 08:47 (UTC)

Praire grasses

Could be - that picture was taken out of a series of about 200 hundred of a praire preserve taken for a project I did in 2001. I did wander out of the praire area itself – it's not impossible that I accidentally took some pictures of a non-praire plant and made a mistake later in labeling it. Are you certain it's not Big Bluestem instead? I remember a biologist at the college saying that the praire was full of the stuff. - RedWordSmith 17:36, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I think you're right. I'll see if I can't dig up a replacement, either by taking a new picture from the local area or from the same series of photographs. - RedWordSmith 06:34, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)
Hi again. Could you please let me know what you think of the pictures at http://storysage.com/misosoup as a replacement? I just took them a few days ago. - RedWordSmith July 2, 2005 22:52 (UTC)

Panicoideae

Hey, at this article, what is Group 2: Andropogonodae? Is group an official designation, like a "supertribe" or something? Forgive my ignorance. I was going to put a taxobox in at the tribe Andropogoneae article, but I don't think I'd know what to put as the designation for Andropogonodae. I'll do the taxobox, but I'll leave it out for now. --DanielCD 29 June 2005 00:09 (UTC)

Pecan

Interesting that Index Kewensis got it wrong (a proposal to conserve Carya illinoensis wouldn't have been rejected if that had been the original epithet). --Curtis Clark 29 June 2005 17:26 (UTC)

Fern photo

Hi MPF, Sorry, I'm completely useless at botany, I was hoping someone with those skills could help me out. --Fir0002 June 30, 2005 11:36 (UTC)

Sorry MPF, I'm no good at all with ferns. Tannin

Stelmužė

Regarding the age of the oak tree at Stelmužė: Since the center of the tree is no longer solid, taking a core sample and counting rings cannot tell the age exactly. Articles I've read generally state that it's at least 1,500 y.o., but as many as 2,000. Here's a recent English-language one: [1] --Theodore Kloba July 1, 2005 16:58 (UTC)

I've changed the description to a range of ages.--Theodore Kloba July 1, 2005 18:13 (UTC)

Re: Pics for Identification

Hi MPF, I never relized that you didn't frequent the reference desk! I was wondering why you never replied to any of my unident photos (I knew that you had considerable knowledge in botany). Anyway, I'll do as you suggest and submit to the Tree of life project instead in the future. Thanks for your interest, --Fir0002 July 2, 2005 10:07 (UTC)

Apple sections

I moved the discussion over to Talk:Apple because I really would like more than the two of us talking about this. Of course, if nobody cares then maybe it's not such an important point. -- WormRunner | Talk 4 July 2005 00:54 (UTC)


Pacific Gull Photo

Hi MPF, Just checking to make sure you knew that the brown bird in this photo is bigger than an average seagull (unfortunately I don't have a photo comparison). --Fir0002 July 4, 2005 07:18 (UTC)


Thank you for uploading Image:Jun com cones.jpg and for stating the source. However, its copyright status is unclear, so it may have to be deleted. If it is open content or public domain, please give proof of this on the image page. If the image is fair use, please provide a rationale. Thank you. --Admrboltz 4 July 2005 11:10 (UTC)

Brazilian Pepper

The more I look at it, the less I'm sure about the picture on the Schinus article, which I also linked to an article on Brazilian Pepper. I'm very familiar with this tree in the Keys, and the leaf margins are always toothed or notched and the veins pretty prominent. The berries do look right.

I don't know about other Schinus species. Is there any chance this photo was misidentified? -- DavidH July 5, 2005 23:12 (UTC)

Don't bother checking again -- if it's a Florida photo, it has to be S. terebinthifolius -- unless the USGS mislabeled it. I don't know of any other Schinus in Florida. I see S. terebinthifolius every day, and it is somewhat variable (as well as a nasty, nasty plant), and like I said, the berries look right. Thanks for responding so quickly. DavidH

Re: Pic Positions

Hi Michael, I never realized that it would cause a problem, I use Mozilla Firefox and doing it that way works fine - pics on the RHS and text fitting nicely. So sorry, and I'll put in my photos in the way you suggest. By the way what browser are you using?

Peter --Fir0002 July 6, 2005 00:24 (UTC)

Did you try Mozilla or Firefox? Because I get those little drop down menu as well. You should really dump IE. There are so many cool extensions for firefox which help using wiki. Like if you type "wiki" in your address bar and then a word it will do a search in wikipedia. A similar thing is for the word "dict" but in this cas it looks up the word in dictionary.com. There's also tabbed browsing - unbelievably usefull. And you can open submit links in a new window with an extension (by submit links I mean like the search button in google, or wiki). It really is impossible to us IE after using Firfox for even a week. Hope you install! see you around wiki. Peter --Fir0002 July 6, 2005 12:17 (UTC)

Image:Tree hadrian's wall.jpg

The image is actually edited very very little - most of it is just by (deliberately) under-exposing the image. I took around 25 image over and over until I got one I liked though. Let me know if you want the whole sequence.

For the original check out Image:Tree hadrian's wall (original).JPG.

"Overdone cloud effects" indeed :) -- Tomhab 6 July 2005 00:57 (UTC)

Pinus Strobus

The etymology seems Ok to me - I read it years ago in my Taylor's garden encyclopedia and it is on the Web at: [2] The root appears in "stroboscope" which used to be made with a light source interrupted by a rotating wheel or disk having holes, before electronic versions were available. If you look at the tree from below, you can see that the branches are attached in a spiral pattern, so that if you ran a canvas or plastic sheet upwards branch by branch you would construct a pattern like the blade of an auger (such as used to dig holes in the earth).

Well I just ran into the link at random and wanted to be helpful, but if you are sure I'm wrong - sorry. I live near a U.S. forest service or wildlife test station in Laurel, MD and I also got them to fix the name on a very short street into the preserve that they had called "lobolly pine lane" - I am sure you know how it reads properly.Pdn 7 July 2005 04:45 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. No problem. Pdn 7 July 2005 21:37 (UTC)

I looked in the Webster's Unabridged in the library and it said "strobilus," which originated in twists of yarn, is the root referring to cones, but it said (under "stroboscope") that strobos refers to whirling. (of course, we have strobus not strobos, but anyway that's what I found.) Pdn 00:46, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bad 'copyedits'

Your changes to 7 July 2005 London bombings are unhelpful. Please stop making such changes.

Thank you for your unkind, anonymous remark. Not true. I was copyediting the text correctly. See the talk page. - MPF 8 July 2005 11:19 (UTC)
My request was neither unkind nor anonymous, and my edits are to correct typographical errors. You reverted me in error. I have replied on the article talk page to your comment there. Nicholas

Carapa

If memory serves me Carapa is not monotypic - the other species may have been synonymised (don't have any reference handy) but I remember mention of other species. Guettarda 23:04, 13 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

About zh:胡桃

Thanks for telling me. I changed the links.--Fanghong 03:46, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Red Mulberry

Hi Ram-Man - nice start on Red Mulberry, unfortunately, the pics are White Mulberry (a widely naturalised invasive species throughout the eastern US); Red Mulberry leaves are not smooth and glossy like this, and are more heart-shaped at the base - MPF 12:36, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mean to argue with you on this, but what should I go on in terms of authority. The tree was identified by the Pennsylvania Department of Conservation and Natural Resources as part of a 48 tree identification project. Now I suppose it is possible that they are wrong, but you would think as part of an educational project they would take the time to get it right. But of course you might be some biologist who knows better. Doing a simple google search for "Red Mulberry" leads to quite a few sites with pictures of the leaves and many of them are glossy. If you can find a more authoritative source, I'd be happy to amend the pictures accordingly. — Ram-Man (comment) (talk) 19:26, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
I wondered if the tree specimen might possibly be a hybrid. I'll try to see what I can find. I may be able to return to the park myself and feel the leaf to see if it feels at all fuzzy. I suppose if it is a hybrid, it may not make a good specimen picture for either article. — Ram-Man (comment) (talk) 20:57, July 17, 2005 (UTC)


Cicuta

Wow you don't hang a round. That's much better than a redirect. David D. 22:10, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Abies

Thank you for the interest to the topic. Feel free to upload the maps and any image you think appropriate for the topic. The maps you refer on, are designed after Farjon. They can be enhanced with Liu who gives more detailed maps. I've also one good image from Bulgaria and will upload it soon (a very big tree from the Pirin mountains). Best wishes Orjen 22:10, July July (CEST)

Hi, couldn't manage to reply earlier! A higher resolution image of Bild:Prastara jela Orjen.jpg is available. Additionally two more images from virgin fir forests in the Balkans are Bild:Jelka Orjen 1.jpg and Bild:Pirin fir.jpg. Thanks for putting the images on wiki commons.

Best wishes Orjen 11:00, 5 August (CEST)


  1. Maps of Abies? where can i find them?
  2. Do you by any chance have more images of abies grandis?

t.i.a., TeunSpaans 03:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Buff (color)

Hello, I'd like you to clarify why my IP (65.30.202.235)'s edits were vandalism on Buff (color).

Cheers, --WikiFan04Talk 16:32, 30 Jul 2005 (CDT)

Well, if someone were to take American spelling, and make it British, would that be unauthorized Britishsation? --WikiFan04Talk 17:33, 30 Jul 2005 (CDT)

Thanks

Just wanted to thank you for copyediting Silverweed and creating Argentina (genus). I didn't create Argentina (genus) myself because I wanted to have some material to put on it. Circeus 13:59, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

I assumed Argentina (genus) was yours. Oh well. As for species, ITIS only gives anserina and egedii, but then I don't know if that would leave out other species. The GBIF isn't very helpful, confusing the plants and a fish genus in Osmeriformes, which will probably forces a Disambiguation page at Argentina (genus)

i do, but

i do have a referenceto the fossle pollen comment, but from what youve just said, its impossible- i have been reading information with incorrect stuff again i guess (sigh)s for checking. My i havnt made a big contribution in awhile.


hare's foot clover

thanks for letting me know that you moved the page! I know French better than I know common names of plants. I'll work on finishing out the translation as soon as I can. If you don't mind checking over the editing of my translation of the plant's appearance to make sure I'm not turning any technical terms into gibberish, I'd be grateful!Mamawrites 23:12, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Gymnosperm

Hi MPF, thanks for your edvises. I'm not a biologist, so mistakes are possible. --uk:User:Gutsul

Indian Berry

Hey again MPF. There's an article at Indian Berry with 2 binomial names, and I am having trouble identifying which is the right one or if they are obsolete or what. I put them as synonyms, but I'm not even sure of that. I wanted to put a category on it, but I was hoping you could sleuth it a bit when you get the time. --DanielCD 03:19, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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