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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Lexor (talk | contribs) at 10:12, 2 January 2004 (In cited books ''titles'' of all the sections use ''citric acid cycle'', and ''Krebs cycle'' is normally mentioned only once in the text itself.). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Two questions:

  • What's the source for this image? I notice it's been uploaded to Wikipedia, but where's it from?
  • Shouldn't it be located at Krebs Cycle (or, biologists, should that be Krebs cycle if it's often not used as a proper name)?

--Larry Sanger


  1. it's Krebs cycle (lower case) according to two biochem texts I have handy
  2. no-one calls it that anymore really; almost always its referred to as citric acid cycle.

- Iwnbap


I replaced it with my Nupedia article on the subject. I doubt much information was lost by that ;) Also, the images are mine, which solves the doubtful copyright problem. Looks like the tranition didn't go too well on the table, please help fixing it. --Magnus Manske


Gee whiz, its so worthwhile to spend time working on diagrams, when the entire article can just be replaced by Nupedia stuff. Wonderful.

Not to mention, of course, that I spent some actual time working on my diagram. Given the current upload protocol, it should be trivial to track the source of images, if you have copyright questions. Anyway, you've succeeded in souring me from drawing a diagram again. Good job! -Dlamming


I didn't know where the diagram was from; actually, I was suspicious of its origin because it looked too professional! Given the text accompanying it (which, as you will surely admit, was not the most complete description ever made;), I intended to be bold in updating pages (that was the recommendation of a higher authority; you know who) and just put the (existing) article in. If I hurt your feelings by removing your work, I'm sorry. If you need an excuse to reduce your input to wikipedia, go right ahead and blame me. Not that you could have said "I made this" on this page when the question came up, or re-replaced my image with yours (I still have it up at Nupedia, I wouldn't have a problem with that;). --Magnus Manske


Citric acid cycle is the modern term for the Krebs cycle, almost all modern textbooks now use this terminology. Including the most respected two: Alberts et al. (2002) Molecular Biology of the Cell and Lodish et. al. (2000) Molecular Cell Biology. You can do a search of all the books via PubMed:

  • Citric acid cycle (108 matches in Biochemistry, 23 in Alberts, 14 in Lodish)
  • Krebs cycle (45 matches in Biochemistry, 8 in Alberts, 9 in Lodish) [Further note: if you click on any of these links, the titles of all the sections use citric acid cycle, and Krebs cycle is normally mentioned only once in the text itself]

--Lexor 09:52, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Lir, The article is written completely using the citric acid cycle terminology, and the bulk of the internal wikilinks go to citric acid cycle. Please use the Talk page here before renaming a page which has had a stable name for a while, agreed upon by most contributors (see the discussion above), has many links to that page, and which is already internally consistent with that name. If you do rename, then you also need to take on the responsibility of ensuring no double redirects, which hasn't been done. --Lexor 10:03, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)