Talk:Sex education
Why did you remove immoral practices? --user:Ed+Poor
I explained it on your talk page, Ed. You may find those practices immoral. Your particular religion may preach that they are. Mine might, too. That doesn't change the fact that they are both legal in most states and that many people don't find them immoral.
- The fact that an immoral practice is legal is irrelevant: it remains immoral.
- I changed "immoral" to "regarded by conservatives as immoral" (good catch).
You set up the sentence in a way that implies that Sex education encourages the acceptance of immorality. This is hardly NPOV.
- I think I have shown in the new version of the article that some sex education encourages the acceptance of immorality. If I've made an error, please point it out.
YOu seem to be fairly intelligent, so I am at a loss to understand why you even had to ask.J Hofmann Kemp
- Had to ask what?
Rather than simply cut what seemed to be a pretty poorly written and biased article, I simply have tried to restore some NPOV. I do hope that there are people out there who have actually researched pedagogy and educational practices and can develop this into an informative article.
- Thank you. You have always been one of my best editors. By working together, we can accomplish a lot.
My changes: I removed some editorializing language, and in order to counter the criticism, I added something on why people would support sex ed. I also cut this:
- break down students' natural modesty and
because it is doubly wrong: children are not "naturally" modest, and the purpose of sex ed is not to break down this modesty.
- Some sex ed practices were specifically designed to counter modesty, such as requiring girls to put condoms over cucumbers. Try reading Wendy Shalit's "Return to Modesty". --Ed
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Axel -- they are controversial because a large chunk of the US population finds sex itself to be controversial, instead of a normal human function.
- That's a false dichotomy. Sex is, indeed a normal human function, but immorality is not normal. Since a huge proportion of Americans advocate immorality, sex is controversial. --Ed
It gets wrapped up in religious codes, and then the separation of church and state, and then we have (as with alcohol use among teens) a society with puritanical undertones that most civilized countries find amusing.
- Another false dichotomy. The alternative to immorality is not puritanism but morality. I also find puritanism amusing, but immorality is no joking matter. --Ed
Sex and Alcohol are banned, adult things, so kids often are drawn to them for the thrill and to prove they are adults.
- Sex should not be a banned thing; it's actually a wonderful thing, but only between husband and wife. As for alcohol, some groups ban it for all people (adults as well as children); some others introduce children to it gradually, teaching its responsble use.
- This is really the essence of morality: the responsible use of sex. -- Ed
So, instead of kids who think that being productive, successful citizens who take an interest in their society makes one an adult, we have a bunch of kids who drink too much, have irresponsible sex, and still live at home after high school expecting mom and dad to foot the bills. My opinion, which is why it's not going into the article.J Hofmann Kemp
Morality aims to produce kids who think that being productive, successful citizens who take an interest in their society makes one an adult, as you so eloquently put it. Sex ed which promotes immorality contrbutes a bunch of kids who drink too much, have irresponsible sex, and still live at home after high school expecting mom and dad to foot the bills. -- Ed Poor