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South Korea GDP/capita in 2025
Hi. Can you show me where you're seeing it "clearly surpasses the mentioned countries by a signifcant margin by 2025"? I'm looking at the chart on page 9 that shows the four countries the same. Thanks ... richi (hello) 21:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- Korea exceeds the income per capita of UK, France and Germany by 2025, in particular Germany - it shows a difference of almost 2000-4000USD, which translates to almost 200 billion USD in economy size, equivalant to that of several developing countries' total GDP. If you don't consider this significant, you still do not have the right to modify or change this fact and show a misleading statement in the article, which is clearly not valid according to the reference. By equal or equivalant, you are directly implying that their income per capita is arithmetically the same, which it is clearly not stated in the source. Whether the figures are signifcant or not, that is irrelevant - your POV does not comply with the source and the source clearly shows that Korea has a larger income per capita than those three countries. If you consider them "tiny", this is your opinion and should not be introduced into the article to modify and change it according to your POV. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place where you can take sources, modify it to your own will (i.e. claim that the three countries income per capita is EQUAL to the income per capita of Korea in 2025) without the authorization of the publisher, Goldman Sachs in this case, and state your own opinion in any of its articles. In other words, your claim is your POV and opinion, not a fact. This is for the benefit of all Wikipedia users and if you feel that there is any reason why you should object to this fact, please feel free to leave a comment below. Thank you.Lakshmix (talk) 21:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- No, that's not what I asked. You're clearly seeing different data to those that I can see in the reference. I'm asking you to tell me where you're seeing it. Sources must be WP:V ... richi (hello) 22:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- I am sorry but I am referring to the source published by Goldman Sachs, page 9, the 2nd bottom diagram. This is the linked PDF report that is referenced in the statement in the introduction. The data you have been referring to is precisely this. Make sure that you verify the data and check the figures carefully, in particular for Germany. As clarified previously, however "tiny" (according to your opinion stated on the article revision history) any fact or figure may be, you cannot modify it according to WP:V. Lakshmix (talk) 23:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- No problem, your English is better than my Hangul! That's the same chart as I'm looking at. It shows that ROK, UK, and France's estimated GDP/capita for 2025 are indistinguishable. You are correct that Germany's is lower, perhaps significantly so. The point is that these are estimates, not facts -- estimates with a 20 year horizon. It's also complicated by the fact that the US$ has fluctuated significantly differently against these currencies since 2005. It's not reasonable for an encyclopedia to be so precise, given: the nature of estimates and these other variables -- and the fact that we're talking about 20 years.
- Do you have any training in statistics? Personally I often deal with situations like this, where quantitative data are "fuzzy" due to estimates or from survey data. From careful measurement of the bar charts, we're talking about a difference of less than one percent -- there is no doubt in my mind that this is statistically insignificant, given the nature of the data.
- BTW, there's no POV here -- I could care less whether ROK's GDP/capita exceeds that of the UK. My motivation is to help clean up an article that has become badly bogged down. If we can't reach consensus, we'll have to follow WP:FUTURE and remove the text altogether.
- Thanks for your time ... richi (hello) 23:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
- I am currently mastering in Economics and Statistics at New York University. For you, this 1% might look insignificant. And I agree the great majority do. However, as a statistician, all data, including numbers to an infinite amount of significant figures or decimal points are valid. If you ignore these figure, however small or tiny they are, there will be chaos in the statistics world. One ranking of a country can be slipped or moved up by just 1%. If you simply ignore it, it breaks down the whole theory of statistics. While I agree this report is an estimate, there is no denial in the fact that it is an official report published by Goldman Sachs and hence it must be treated as a verifiable source according to WP:V. I would like this to be respected and more importantely, the acceptance that fact is fact - no more, no less. Lakshmix (talk) 23:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)