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Cheese and Brassens

The fromage box is from the French Wikipedia. I "substed" it so I could change it to link to the English cheese page instead of the French cheese portal. Yes, the French have a whole portal about cheese! The substing created an alarming amount of code, which you're welcome to copy, but I'm sure there's a much simpler way to recreate it. I hope that helps.

P.S. I see your French is better than mine--if you feel like it, check out the translation of George Brassens (the one linked to in the translation box, not the current article). I've been slowly working on it. I'm mostly trying to get it wikified, but I'm sure the syntax is weird in a few places. My best friend used to live in Sète, or I never would have heard of him... Katr67 01:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

On the Brassens article, I'd like to help, but I'm not sure how soon I can. For now I'll print out the working English translation and go read it over a cup of coffee. Thanks for the cheese tip! -Eric ^(talk) 14:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you have a fairly recent copy of Word? It would be easiest for me to post my changes in a Word doc set to track changes. I'm watching this page. -Eric ^(talk) 17:21, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I did some revision of the working draft. I'm going to assume you have Word and am posting it here link deleted by Katr67 (can you please delete this link after you get the doc?--thanks). I put translation notes at the top of the Word doc. The track changes function in Word lets you accept/reject changes as you read (right-click for options). Let me know if you're not familiar with this tool or don't have Word. -Eric ^(talk) 20:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. I love track changes. Sign up as one of the proofreaders of that article if you want. BTW, I believe Wikipedia style is to always go with British style when it comes to punctuation with quotations, and I would tend to use British English anyway on a French translation because they use British English there. At least my friend who's a translator does, but she deals with more Brits than Americans. Katr67 20:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay. Sorry if I was out of line creating the new section! I'll take down the doc unless you want me to leave it up. -Eric ^(talk) 20:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you can take it down. No worries about the section, I was about to create one when I experienced the edit conflict with you and accidentally left both versions up. All better now. Katr67 20:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see what you mean now--I thought you had accidentally deleted some stuff. But yeah, I'd prefer to maintain the threads on my talk page myself. Thanks. Katr67 20:24, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't realize that I was in the edit conflict, but I get it now. I'll be gone to work all week (and should not be on WP then!) but let me know if you have a question about the translation and I'll work it into a coffee break... -Eric ^(talk) 20:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Just a couple more pages to go on 2nd half of Brassens. -Eric ^(talk) 22:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi- I finished revising Brassens, but can't poke through the firewall at work to upload it. I'll do that Friday night. -Eric ^(talk) 22:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Here it is--hope it helps! Let me know if you have any questions. -Eric ^(talk) 13:14, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Katr- Can you let me know when you've got the doc? I'll watch here--thanks. -Eric ^(talk) 13:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Got it! Sorry, you can take it down now. Skimming, I can see you cleared up some really weird things--"police killing women"? As far as double spaces, they don't make a difference to the wiki software, so though I'm a single space gal myself, I try to resist fixing too many of them. Thanks again! I should be working on a real world volunteer editing gig right now, so it may be a little while until I am able to incorporate your changes. I'll let you know if I have any questions. I may see if my friend is available to help with some of the lyrics as well. Katr67 14:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, and let me know if you need more help with the lyrics--I have a professor friendwho is a Brassens fan as I recall, and I'll bet he'd be happy to help. -Eric ^(talk) 15:48, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Katr- Did everyone like the proofread of the Brassens article? Should we update it to 100%? Please let me know what's up, okay? Thanks. -Eric ^(talk) 14:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (novel)

Since I believe you did some work on the novel and being from Eugene I'm sure you read it, is it really based on the prison in Pendleton as it says at the beginning of the plot summary? Kesey worked at an asylum in CA, and I recall the novel set somewhere in the valley. So do you think this might be some Eastern Oregon urban legend, or is there truth to the matter? Thanks. Aboutmovies 23:18, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Hrm. I've always heard it was based on the Oregon State Hospital. (And yes, people think Kesey actually worked there, but no, it was my mom who did for a few months. She has good stories.) I've never heard the Eastern Oregon State Hospital mentioned. I didn't know EOSH turned into a prison, I'll have to check, sometimes people think they're the same thing. (And probably metaphorically speaking they're sometimes right)... I don't believe it says where it is in the novel except Oregon, though they do go to the coast (in the movie it was Depoe Bay) so I'd assume in the valley. I'll see if I can find my copy when I get home. Katr67 23:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

That and they talk about people coming down from Portland (hookers and such), which I know people are bad with geography, but that would seem odd to talk about people coming down to Pendleton from Portland. And for the coast trip they cross the Siuslaw River, which seems a bit south to go if coming from Pendleton as well. Aboutmovies 23:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

West Union

Absolutely no hurry, but when you have a chance could you check OGN to see how accurate this info is. West Union accounts for three redlinks at the Hillsboro article, so sometime before the end of the year I'll put something together. Thanks. Aboutmovies 07:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's accurate. OGN doesn't mention them being the first white folks, and has a better quotation about the name. I can make a stub as soon as I take care of Cave Junction. Scottsburg, Oregon showed up overnight, by the way. Katr67 14:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I've got a few other sources for West Union too. That Scottsburg article is one of the sadest stubs I've seen. Aboutmovies 17:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Dinos and size

I took a look at the dino people, and the article size list would be interesting. I don't know how much it would help in the FA drive, but it wouldn't hurt. I think the reason the dino WP is successful with the FA process is it appears they work together on prepping the articles, which likely means more participation at the FA review point. I think the OSC failed only due to lack of support, not because it wasn't quality. After the first nom I thought the WPOR problem was cooperation, which is why I started the COTW, so we'll see how it goes now with the 2nd nomination. If that doesn't get the job done, then I don't know what will. I'm hoping it doesn't turn into a "I like it this way better" versus "this part doesn't meet the MOS," which is what it is supposed to be about, otherwise it will never pass since everyone has a their own style preferences. At least that's my two cents. So, how would we get a list by article size? Aboutmovies 18:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: CDPs

(discussion moved to Category talk:Census-designated places in Oregon—mostly for a lasting visible record. —EncMstr 07:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, EM. Katr67 16:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

One more thing sortof on this subject: since you've done at least some work with the county templates, would you be willing to create templates for Clatsop and Columbia Counties? I've placed templates for twenty counties, and the other fourteen have templates that I'm looking to place. Nyttend 13:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

There aren't any yet? I counted 34, how many counties do we have anyway? Where did they go? One person did a couple then somebody else did the rest in a couple big pushes... I need coffee... And no, the only thing I did was change the color to match the first ones made. Someone had started making them bright yellow like California's... Katr67 15:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'm better now. I know we have 36 counties, and when I went through adding WP:ORE tags to all of the ones Floydspinky71 created, I could swear he had finished making all of them. Why don't you ask him first? You see, last night I tried to make the tinest table showing the official UO colors, and even that was aggravating. I gotta stick with what I know... Ah but I see he hasn't edited for a few days. Finals probably. Maybe I can work on it tonight, today won't be good, the screaming from my cubicle would give me away. Katr67 16:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Aha, sorry, you spoke about the templates so without looking at their history I assumed that you had produced them. I myself don't know much about template syntax; just take one that still exists and replace the current lines with the new ones, say replace all instances of "Clackamas County" with "Columbia County", "Oregon City" with the name of the county seat, and so on. That's all I do, and I know it works for me. By the way, about Mount Hood Village/Villages at Mount Hood: since it's now an official governmental body, at least to some extent, is there any reason to keep it at the current title? To me it would seem more sensible to call the entire article "Villages at Mount Hood, Oregon". Nyttend 21:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, someone had made one or two that matched the {{Oregon}} template, then Floyds came along and started doing them in yellow like California's, so I put a stop to that, that's about I all I did. I'm rather indifferent to templates, but I try to keep them herded together when they arrive. I know I could copy and paste, I'll see how I feel about getting into the busywork zone tonight. Right now I have a raging headache... Re:Villages: I'm not convinced merging the two Mount Hood Whatever articles was a good idea, (the same issues with what the boundaries are--see the talk page), but the page rename makes sense, especially since I imagine at the next census the CDP "Mount Hood Village" would go away? Have you seen any other former CDP articles? (pretty unlikely since Wiki has only been around since 2002 or so, but wait, I guess there's a whole category about them: Category:Former census-designated places) How was this handled? The only other one I can think of is Santa Clara, Eugene, Oregon, which is now considered a neighborhood of Eugene, so very little needed to be said about its CDP status. BTW, we should discuss the whole ghost town thing--I started another topic at the CDP talk page. Katr67 21:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Minoru Yasui

This is my next GA project. When you have a chance could you look trough and tag anything needing citations, note anywhere where info seems to be needed/expand/explained. Working on this and the related articles has made it difficult to see the trees through the forest and remember what I wrote where and where I found that info. Thanks. No hurry, it will not be until after finals that I nom at GA. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I've finished sourcing everything, I think, so if you could look through it and prep it for GA it would be appreciated. Aboutmovies (talk) 12:46, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. I may not get to it until Monday, I've got holiday stuff to attend to and there's a disturbance in the force around here... Katr67 (talk) 18:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I couldn't resist taking a peek... OK, I know you didn't write it, but why does the infobox say "Resting place"? I thought we didn't use euphemisms? Shouldn't it be "Burial place" or "Buried" or "Interred at" or ??? "Religious stance" strikes me as odd as well. Why not just "religion"? Katr67 (talk) 19:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I guess not everyone is buried, but it still seems odd... Katr67 (talk) 19:20, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Stumptown Coffee - your suggestion

Hello, I'm relatively new to wikipedia and I tried updating Stumptown Coffee Roasters entry to bring it in line with the guidelines, but user: Thamusemeantfan, deleted all of my edits without adding to the discussion page. What is the best way to deal with this in your opinion? Squitringo1234 (talk) 19:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I've been kind of watching that article and it's sort of a train wreck, isn't it? I've been avoiding it for that reason. Let me take a look and get back to you. Katr67 (talk) 19:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. As I've said, I'm not entirely sure of the protocol for this type of situation. I'm fine if there is more info on that page (though I don't think it deserves anymore), but its definitely not satisfactory the way it is now. Squitringo1234 (talk) 22:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Any thoughts about Stumptown? Squitringo1234 (talk) 22:08, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I seem to have a short attention span these days. My thoughts? Yes that article is indeed a train-wreck. :) Did you hear back from the other editor? If you'd like to try to update the article, I'll back you up. There's no need for sentences like "The coffee is remarkable for the strength and thickness of its 'standard' brew, probably owing to a policy of serving French pressed coffee for its standard brew." In fact, I'll go take that out right now. Katr67 (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I've attempted to discuss with the editors on their talk page, but they have not responded. Squitringo1234 (talk) 20:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Editing articles talk pages question

Since the talk page for each article is for discussing improvements to the article is it okay for editors to remove comments and sections that are not discussing improvements to the article?

For example The Amazing Race 12 talk page has comments about Mirna's predictions about the race, which is something that belongs on a fan website not on the talk page. I would like to remove sections that are not discussing improvements, is that okay or should I just leave it alone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davehi1 (talk • contribs) 16:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Matthew Deady

OK, I've expanded the crap out of this to probably FA depth, so could you please copy edit it/make sure everything has been integrated/makes sense for GA? Thank you. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:02, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

SAR

So Im actually doing the paperwork right now, and my revolutionary ancestor is Chesley Glover from Isle of Wight County, Virginia. I intend on researching more about him and what he actually did. Sorry that took forever to get back to you on.--DerRichter (talk) 20:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Nevada-California-Oregon Railway

Thank you for noticing the difference in reference style and making a clean transition. The existing style appears more suitable for articles where a single citation appropriately covers all information from a given reference. I have become accustomed to using a somewhat different style for situations where multiple line-by-line citations from several references reduce ambiguity of complex or contentious subject matter. (see Portland Terminal Company for an example) I appreciate your willingness to have the C&C Wikilink included in the NCO article in whatever format you feel provides appropriate source identification. Thewellman (talk) 08:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

L. H. Gregory

Unlikely, eh?? OK, now I'm going to have to write that article I have been putting it off. He's in the OSHoF, and was apparently quite an influential figure in the Oregon sports world with his nickname coinage and boxing coverage. Thanks for the motivation! ;-) --Esprqii (talk) 16:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

The weather...it's almost spring-like...

Lemme know when you're not so wikibonked, and we can work on getting this up to featured status... — Scientizzle 22:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Take a look at the updated version...like it? — Scientizzle 19:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I saw. It's watchlisted, natch. Looks good. Apparently I lied when I said I would work on the rest of it last weekend. Or was it the weekend before? Katr67 (talk) 20:02, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

No worries. Just a friendly nudge, and there's definitely no rush. (However, 10 out of 14 marmots say get crackin'!) — Scientizzle 21:05, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

At first I thought that link said "famous procrastinators"... Katr67 (talk) 22:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Camera

I picked up a Canon PowerShot SD1000 recently and I'm really happy with it. You can read a really fantastic review at http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/powershot_sd1000-review/. I've found the reviews at that site to be particularly helpful, and they helped me with my camera choice. Fairly cheap too. It's nice and compact - fits right in my pocket so I can always have it on me (even on those long bike rides!). Good luck! Axcordion (talk) 02:03, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the link! Katr67 (talk) 02:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I've been really happy with Canons too, good image quality, and very understandable user interface. I just got an Olympus indestructible camera, haven't used it much yet though. One newish feature to be aware of is image stabilization. It makes an enormous difference in lowish-light situations, lets you take much, much better photos without a flash. And if you're looking for something real cheap, I've got an old clunker I'd sell you for I dunno, $25. But you probably wouldn't like it too much! Congrats on the find, can't wait to start seeing your photos! -Pete (talk) 02:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I already have an old clunker--an Olympus D-600L, which though lent to me for free and has served adequately, is starting to act up and sucks AA batteries like nobody's business! Thanks for the offer though! Katr67 (talk) 02:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I have a Canon powershot and have had a Minolta. The Minolta had a better lens. But no matter what, get one with a rechargeable Lithium ion battery, NiMH absolutely suck as does anything using AA batteries. I personally will be getting a Pentax DSLR (hopefully soon) so I can use my old lens from my old Pentax 35mm camera. Aboutmovies (talk) 02:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Batteries. Right. Good to know. I gave away a Pentax lens on Freecycle a couple of years ago. Too bad! Katr67 (talk) 02:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Congrats on the find. Try to get something that shoots in RAW format if you are going to be doing a lot of post-processing. I would recommend fighting the urge to get one on the internet and spend a little bit more at a local store (Pro Photo Supply in NW Portland is my favorite) where you can ask questions, try stuff out, and most importantly, take it back if you have a problem. Avoid the chain stores as they typically don't have salespeople that are as knowledgeable. Cacophony (talk) 03:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I disagree with a preference for a Lithium-ion battery. My 6 megapixel Pentax Optios take two AA batteries and I use several sets of rechargeable NiMH which last for thousands of photos on a single charge over many hard months. My oldest batteries (10+ years) don't last that long, maybe only 300 photos if not always flashing. If I'm not able to recharge due to being somewhere remote and "uncivilized", it has always been possible to buy AA batteries to save the day. These batteries are the best by far.

My Sony camcorder, on the other hand, uses Li+ batteries. I've had that for 10 years. The damn batteries still cost $80 to $150 depending on size (at least tape prices have dropped dramatically). Battery half-life seems to be a little over a year: that is, their capacity decreases by half each year or so. They take forever to charge (one hour to 70%, 12 hours to 99%), and require an expensive charger. The charge duration prediction (built into the camcorder) gets worse and worse over time too—in the wrong direction. It doesn't seem to matter which generation or how many times the package says "Guaranteed not to develop memory": they all seem to have the same annoying characteristics. My next camcorder is not going to have Li+ batteries. —EncMstr 21:27, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I endorse EncMstr's preference for using AA batteries. Other things to consider:

1. Do you need an external flash? Some camera's have a hot foot for attaching a flash, some don't.
2. Do you use filters? Some cameras have a full-sized lens ring for using filters, some don't.
3. zoom - some cameras have a 'manual' zoom (controlled by turning a ring on the lens) some are motorized - have to push a button to operate - this can drain the batteries faster.
4. Megapixels - buy as much as you can afford. If you ever want to enlarge photos - or crop part of a photo - the more MP the better.
5. shutter lag - I've never had a problem with this. There is a way to pre-focus and have the camera ready when the moment is right, plus there are modes for firing off a burst of 3 images within a second or so - good for the kid's soccer games.
6. Flash memory cards - these have become so inexpensive it really doesn't matter if you've used one format in the past - just buy new ones. In 2003 a 128MB xD card was $100. Now a 2 GB xD is $40.

Just some things to consider. — Zaui (talk) 17:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

scappooseairport.com as external link for Scappoose Industrial Airpark

Hi Katr67

I noticed you deleted the External Link to scappooseairport.com on the Scappoose Industrial Airpark wiki page. I have added that back in and I hope you might reconsider deleting the external link again. Thank you for your efforts to watch this page, I appreciate that and we need volunteers to edit content. Though ScappooseAirport.com was commissioned and approved by the Port of St. Helens (which manages the aiport), and the businesses at the Scappoose Airport. We know the official name is Scappoose Industrial Airpark, but most call it the Scappoose Airport. As an Industrial Airpark, it is home to many businesses, and this consolidated list of businesses is not found anywhere else on the web. We will also list available properties around the airport both privately owned and publicly owned by the Port of St. Helens, for prospective businesses looking to join an aviation cluster of businesses. We recently launched this site and expect the content to evolve as each business has the ability to add and manage content on the website including maps, links, contact information, available properties, a calendar and a newsletter, weather information, and other information about the airport. If you have any questions or would like to verify this information, please feel free to contact the Port of St. Helens. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scappooseairport (talk • contribs) 04:47, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for contacting me. If someone removes a link, it's best to discuss the link first rather than reverting the edit. First please read about our external link guidelines. Thanks for letting me know the port sanctions the website, because I looked all over the site and it seemed to be a private commercial website, thus unlikely to be suitable for Wikipedia. You might make the connection clearer on the site somewhere. Now I note that you have a conflict of interest regarding this site, so you might also want to read up on linkspam (our guidelines discourage adding links to sites you own or work for), and take a look at our business FAQ. That said, I think the link can be included, let me ask a couple other editors what they think and I'll add it back if we can reach consensus. That's how Wikipedia works. On a more personal/political note, I'm really kind of anti-sales pitch, as are many Wikipedians, so hearing about how great and useful and "up-and-coming", etc. your site is, as you may notice in the links I've posted, might not be the best approach, especially if you plan to only have a single-purpose account. Wikipedia is not here to help you promote your website, or help people buy property at the airport. So I'm cranky about that, but I try to be fair and since your site appears to be quasi-official, I think it will be OK to include. I'll be copying this discussion on the article's talk page and give me a couple days to check this out. Other users watch this page so they may chime in in the meantime. BTW, we don't have an article on the Port of St. Helens, if you'd like to contribute that way (keeping the guidelines I've linked to in mind). Happy editing! Katr67 (talk) 05:40, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

After checking with the port, this website is affiliated with the port, and should be OK. But I second Katr's caution about getting too involved in editing articles related to your work, and to read WP:COI. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Asa Finley

Agreed children not necessary, but wanted add more to list of Finley's. For example, William Asa Finley does not have an article at this time and he was Asa Finley's Grandson. I wanted to tie all of these together somehow to show their historical contributions and show they are all related as well. Asa Finley, William Asa Finley, William L. Finley, and Wm. Earl Finley are all related. Can you help me do that..., signed FinleyFamilyMember —Preceding unsigned comment added by FinleyFamilyMember (talk • contribs) 03:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Kate Wilhelm Article

Hello! I'm a fan of Kate Wilhelm's work and I've tried to make some improvements to this article. After checking the article's history and looking up the contributors I discovered that you're a specialist in matters Oregonian. Perhaps you have access to some sources that could add in some details that are out of my reach, such as the details (in precis) of her first marriage and names/birthdates of her children? I'd also like to add a small biographical outline if possible; education, other employment, etc. Can you help? (Please reply on this page.) Retarius | Talk 05:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Corvallis-Benton County Public Library

Thanks Katr67 for cleaning up our entry. We are just learning here :-0

I hope to read up on the wiki-etiquette and add some more information shortly. I'm a Reference Librarian at CBCPL.

Regards, Rumcd (talk) 19:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

March 14 OR COTW

Hello again or welcome if you are new to WP:WikiProject Oregon! Last week we did a picture drive and a NRHP creation drive. It’s hard to track the picture results, but I know I saw quite a few pictures added, so great job. With NRHP we added 7 that I saw: Mitchell Recreation Area, Salem First United Methodist Church, Portland City Hall, Crater Lake Lodge, Central Library (Portland, Oregon), Watchman Lookout Station, and Alvin T. Smith House; with most now nominated for DYK’s! So great work everybody.

This week, its back to stubs with one of the largest newspapers in the state, The Register-Guard, and a request with Oregon Coast. Feel free to help with either one, and the paper article is so short a DYK should be pretty easy to get (just need 5X expansion). As always, to opt out, opt in, or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Eugene "Debbs" Potts

Earlier this week I wrote to customer service concerning the inaccuracies and use of copyrighted materials for wiki Eugene Debbs Potts. In the email I asked you to intervene but told you that I would not make any changes unti I heard from you. I went ahead later that evening and tried editing on the chance he wouldn't find out about the changes before he was locked out. I logged in today the 13th and see all the changes I made are gone. How do I make the changes I made become permanent? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikkipruden (talk • contribs) 02:57, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

If you give me a fax number, I will send you the court judgment papers. You may use the link www.pottsvilleoregon.com for reference #3. "Things" belongs to the Foundation. You may also add pottsville's web site as an external link. You are welcome to include information from our web site also. We are in the process of taking Mr Fain back to court for contempt, noit following the judgment. V Pruden —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.237.228.169 (talk) 21:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I will reply on the Potts talk page. Please keep this conversation on the Potts talk page, thanks. Katr67 (talk) 21:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Yer welcome...

...for Bethel. Kudos on SFUMC (which looks good!). Did some more cleanup on Catrike. More photos are "on the list". Now am going for ridey ride while there is a break in the rain. Big Blue Room, here I come! — Twisted86 - Talk - at 20:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Shooting cheez-it crumbs out my nose over this one:

undulating??! -Pete (talk) 18:05, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

That's gotta hurt. I think I was in Laurelhurt park many years ago, but I'm pretty sure it was me who was undulating, not the streets. Katr67 (talk) 18:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

71.38.147.247

Funny, I was just in the process of writing up the same thing to them. Thanks! --Trashbag (talk) 22:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

De nada. Katr67 (talk) 22:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Non neutral information.

I am confused about the edit. My information provided was the facts regarding the current situation in Salem. The information is verifiable. Salem was known as a city that embraced Golf opportunities for the general public. The quote came from the cities current Land Use Plan, a guide for the city as to the quality of life.

There are many out of date web sites that invite individuals to the city and it's convention center with the illusion that recreational ammenities include the opportunity to play golf. Salem is the only State Capitol west of the Rockies without an affordable municipal golf course for the average income earner to experience this form of recreation. It has become this way in the past 24 months. I guess this makes the community some what unique.

It would only be non neutral to individuals who would want to come to the community and play golf. I suspect a minority group of individuals. Perhaps it is a disappointment in that the only kids who can experience the playing of golf need to have parents with country club memberships.

If walking and hiking are neutral how do they differ from other recreational activities?

Thank you in advance for your kind assistance. I am sure I will need to learn to write in the style that is Wiki acceptable. SLM463 (talk) 03:53, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

"Salem is without a municipal golf course. At one time Salem identified "Golf courses are the primary example of outdoor recreation use in the Salem urban area, outside of facilities contained within parks." Since 2006, 2 public courses have closed and the last facility open to public play in the city has become semi-private. Visitors are encouraged to come to the State Capitol but leave your golf clubs behind, or plan on driving to facilities 10 to 20 minutes outside the city."

How do you not consider that a POV, specifically referring to the last sentence, which also comes across as an opinion? So, basically, what you did is take a few facts and turn them into "Salem hates golf" which is your point of view. The points about hiking and walking are not expressing an opinion of whether either is a good or bad thing, those sentences inform the reader that those things exist at those places. The NPOV way to present golf info would be (ALL of it needs to be sourced mind you):

"There are three golf courses within the city limits of Salem, and five within 10 miles of the city limits, [or whatever it actually is] with one of these five open to the public. Salem is the only state capitol out of 10 west of the Rockies that does not have a municipal golf course [again whatever it actually is]."

I think the last sentence is a bit of a stretch, as who really cares? It's also the only state capitol in Oregon without a building over 200 feet tall too, and the only state capitol in the Pacific Northwest that starts with the letter S! So both Olympia and Carson City (both something like less than 1/2 the size of Salem) have municipal golf courses. I understand you may be an avid golfer, but remember that Wikipedia is not a WP:SOAPBOX, it is a encyclopedia. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Salem Pioneer Cemetery

you can remove that citation about it being one of largest historic cemeteries.

I know because I personally visited that cemetery as well as the other historic cemetery, Jason Lee Mission Cemetery which is comparable in size. Largest - no way! Somebody must have confused that City View Cemetery which is right west of Salem Pioneer Cemetery is part of it. Pioneer is very small. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samuelsenwd (talk • contribs) 23:52, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for letting me know, though like the original wording, this would be considered original research so I have rewritten the sentence completely. I hope this doesn't come across wrong, but I hope just because I welcomed you doesn't mean I need to be your only contact on Wikipedia. Things like the above issue can be addressed on the article's talk page. Since lots of different editors work on each article, it's best to discuss articles on their talk pages where everyone can contribute, unless you have a specific issue about one editor's edits. You can check the page history to see who has worked on each article. BTW, I see you haven't logged in for a while, so you might not have seen that the reply to your query about Mary Ramsey Wood is on that article's talk page. Happy editing! Katr67 (talk) 00:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Vera Katz and History

Howdy folks, its time for another installment of WikiProject Oregon’s Collaboration of the Week! Last week we made some improvements to the Oregon Coast and brought The Register-Guard up to B class while garnering a DYK! Great job to those who lent a hand. This week we finish up the High priority Stubs with former mayor and Speaker of the House, Vera Katz, which is pretty much a Start class now and could easily get to B class. We also have History of Oregon by request. Help out if you can, where you can. As always, to opt out, opt in, or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Sinebot mucked my rollback!

Durn bots. -Pete (talk) 22:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I just figgered you thought it was the punctuation that went a step too far... Katr67 (talk) 22:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Columbia Meadows

Nestled. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahhhhhhh!!!!!! Katr67 (talk) 07:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

But not for long. Katr67 (talk) 07:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I reverted two of your edits

See this edit summary and this edit summary. Cheers! Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmph. I can't really wrap my brain around that guideline right now, but it's not the end of the world. Carry on. Katr67 (talk) 22:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Something there needs fixing. There's inconsistent confusion of "RoUGe" and "RoGUe" spellings. I don't have time to sort it out now, but I"ll try to come back. -Pete (talk) 22:35, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

That's why I moved the "Rouge" spelling away from the "Rogue" entry and bypassed the redir--to clearly show it was a different spelling. <shrug> Good luck. I'm unwatchlisting it, but let me know what you come up with. Katr67 (talk) 22:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Page move vandal

Page move vandals get 1 strike with me. I presume the original edits were made directly after account creation as "dummy" edits, since I don't think new accounts can perform moves, which is pretty common for sleeper accounts as to draw less suspicion. If you want the block reviewed you can bring it to AN/I, but I can't imagine it will be anything other than endorsed. VegaDark (talk) 14:13, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Debby Applegate

I can confirm the article existed and the brief snipet that is free says Heppner. The Oregonian says she graduated from Clackamas High School: Baker, Jeff. Wordstock best bets. The Oregonian, November 9, 2007. The best bio is: PETER SLEETH. THE MONDAY PROFILE: Debby Applegate - After 22 years, she closes the book on a hit The Oregonian, May 28, 2007. And it confirms they family lived in Heppner briefly, which is apparently the ancestral home to the clan. But I don't have E. Oregonian archive access. Hope that helps. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:08, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Great, thanks! I looked back through the page history and someone, likely the author, noted that her parents were from Idaho and Heppner. Someone else took that out, and I suppose it's not really relevent unless it's a big influence on her career somehow, though I note in some of her bios that the religious background of her family influenced her interest in Beecher, so there's probably a Jell-O Belt connection to be had in there somewhere. I wonder if the Jell-O belt extends into Oregon at all... Katr67 (talk) 19:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Mountain Elevations

I've noticed that you take an interest in articles about Oregon. As I am sure you have noticed that I have been working on articles concerning the Mountains of Oregon. In the article Southern Oregon Coast Range I changed the source of elevations of peaks from GNIS to Northwest GeoData Clearinghouse, Department of Geology, Portland State University because this is more in keeping with practice within WikiProject Mountains. See a comment by RedWolf here. I know this is not a resolved issue but after working on mountain articles on and off for awhile now it seems to be the general practice to accept the elevations given by SummitPost.org, Peakbagger.com or NGS. The elevations at the Northwest GeoData Clearinghouse seem to have the same source and that is why I chose to use them here. I have used the same source on many of the other mountain articles as well. If you have any questions I would be glad to discuss them with you. --DRoll (talk) 08:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I just check Peakbagger.com and found this page. I'm going to have to rethink some as this data is very different from the facts as stated in the article but it's too late and I'll worry about it tomorrow. --DRoll (talk) 09:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I noticed that some of the elevations differed, but not radically, so I wasn't alarmed. I have noticed over the years that citations of the elevation of a particular mountain often differ slightly from one another. I figure that must be par for the course and I'm perfectly happy with a rough estimate. Have members of WikiProject Oregon been changing them back? I'd suggest you talk to them/and or post this message on the project talk page. We have several members interested in mountains, including Encmstr and Aboutmovies (who created most of the Coast Range articles), with whom I see you've already talked. Not having done much work on mountain articles--I think I have written one: Mount Hebo--as a layperson I would probably go with GNIS as it is more "official", while Peakbagger says it is a hobby site. RedWolf brings up some good points though. Sorry I can't be more help--why don't you work with the project for a consensus? We're opinionated, but we get stuff done. Katr67 (talk) 16:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Rare Portland Appearance

To my loyal stalkers: Anybody a fan of the Asylum Street Spankers? I'll be seeing them at the Aladdin tonight. Drop me a note if you'll be there too. Katr67 (talk) 18:29, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Arg, how did I miss this?! Guy Forsyth is no relation so far as I know (though I've drunkenly claimed he was on several occasions), but my Uncle Dave, whose musical tastes are unfailingly excellent, made me finally give the guy a real listen, and he rocks. Sorry I missed it! Was it good? -Pete (talk) 22:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Very entertaining as always, if even raunchier than usual in places. I like the Alladin, I'd never been there before. And so near the Hotcake House! I've seen 4 or 5 different Spanker configurations but I don't think I've seen them when Guy was still with them. Sounds like Guy is more straight up alt.country than the Spankers now? Check out the SUV video on the Spankers page to see them at their best (opening lyrics a bit not work safe). They come to Oregon about every year or so, be sure to see them next time! Katr67 (talk) 23:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Anti admin club

Well I am sometimes anti-admin because some admins did unfair things to me not long ago. I am generally GENTLE.Dust429 (talk) 14:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

High Pass

Thanks for your help expanding the geography around Low Pass. I created a stub at High Pass (Oregon) to take care of your red link. Something needs to be done about the Tolkien article High Pass. I'm not sure what the best solution is -- propose a move for that article? or just put a disambig link at the top? -- so I thought I'd lean on your expertise...Northwesterner1 (talk) 20:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. No sign of signbot... Anyway, I'm in the middle of something, but I'll check it out when I get a minute. Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 20:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear. Normally I'd just be BOLD and move the page, but High Pass is in a Tolkien template, which means lots of articles link to it. I think it should be redirected to Cirith Forn en Andrath and made into a dab page, but it looks like there is a merge proposal in the works anyway. I don't really want to try to sort that all out right now, since I'm sure the Middle-earth folks will have opinions about this. I added High Pass (Oregon) to the hat note for now but we should probably drop a note on the WikiProject Middle-earth page and see what they think. There are three other High Passes and a High Pass Lake in the U.S...Katr67 (talk) 22:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I put in a word at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Middle-earth#High Pass. Northwesterner1 (talk) 22:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

It had to brew for about six months before it was ready--much like the thick, itchy water of the lake itself. --Esprqii (talk) 21:47, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Part of the reason it took me so long was that I wanted to get a picture but I've been too lazy and the weather too crummy, so I finally decided to go with it as is. But hey, it's a nice day now...hmm... --Esprqii (talk) 22:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I have to admit I was secretly thinking "finally". :P So how about some more shots of the old furnace? And while you're at it, can you stop in at Trader Joe's and tell them they should build a store closer to me than that one? I'd appreciate it. Katr67 (talk) 22:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

So, I'll just take the rest of the day off then, thanks. While I'm down there, I could also snap George Rogers House, the Ladd Estate Company Model House, and the Lake Oswego Odd Fellows Hall, and hey! maybe the Oregon Ash down around there is leafing out. I will get the Jantzen place too once it warms up and I can steal my brother-in-law's kayak. I'm putting this in pixels so you will feel free to harass me when I never actually do it. Is that really your closest TJ's? Yikes! --Esprqii (talk) 22:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, 'cos it's not like I ever procrastinate. Yep, my city lacks many things, but you'd think even the folks here could use more Three-Buck Chuck... Katr67 (talk) 22:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Here ya go...

User:Katr67/Bennett Welsh. — Scientizzle 22:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Bicycle Transportation Alliance

Thank you so much for your additions and general sprucing up of the Bicycle Transportation Alliance article. It's looking great now. Keep up the good work. Gobonobo ^{T C} 19:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! I'm a member but hopefully I can keep out the COI, though I do have to say that Floyd Prozanski is my hero. I made a bicycle category too if you run across anything else that should go in there: Category:Cycling in Oregon, especially more images. The BTA seems to be really increasing its visibility lately--there is a Mid-Willamette Valley chapter starting up--so there should be a lot more third-party sources to be had. Happy cycling! Katr67 (talk) 19:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Old buildings in Salem

Hey, do you know if this or this or this are NRHP? The last two are at State and High. Thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

1) Franklin Building aka Masonic Lodge, Ellis F. Lawrence, NRHP and I already have two images of the facade, rats I should stop slacking 2) See Capitol Theater (Salem, Oregon) 3) I think that's called the Oregon Building, it's a contributing property to the historic district. What else ya got? Katr67 (talk) 05:20, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks. As to prize, more pictures!

1. Image:US Bank downtown Salem Oregon.JPG
2. Image:Pioneer Trust Bank Salem Oregon.JPG
3. Image:Building on State Street in Salem Oregon.JPG

I'm guessing more contributing properties. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Awesome! Ladd and Bush bank is architecturally a big deal, I think it's one of the few buildings in Salem with a cast iron facade, and a bunch of it was imported from an identical Bush-owned bank in Portland and added later. Pioneer Trust is NRHP contributing, despite the Moderne remodel on the ground floor. And the shoe place is cute. I've got the old Gothic-looking Salvation Army too, BTW. Capitol Travel, the Richardonsonian thing with the turret is also a big deal. My art history prof showed us an image of an identical building in New York, of which it is an exact copy. Damned if I've been able to find anything about it on the Internet, I guess I'll have to see if the library has his book. Katr67 (talk) 05:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! None look like they have their own NRHP entries though. I did get a couple shots of the turret, but need to try again with less traffic and from across the street. Walked by the JK Gill building, but it didn't look like much going straight by and missed the stuff across the street from it. If its clear again next week I might try for some more. Thanks again. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:08, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Didn't wanna leave without saying goodbye.

It was a pleasure working with you, and I greatly appreciate your contributions to all things Oregon-related on Wikipedia. Nor will I soon forget your kindness in tending to the free use battles I left behind.

I'm now fully retired from the project. I wish you all the best. Perhaps we'll bump into each other elsewhere in cyberspace, or even an actual location in our state. "J-M" (Jgilhousen) (talk) 00:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your gracious and thoughtful reply on my talk page. I should have also noted that my retirement will not preclude my occasionally making a "minor edit" if I find a typo or misplaced modifier on a Wikipedia page. And, of course, my offer of hospitality should you find yourself in the Gorge area with some time on your hands still stands, open-ended. I'm in the book. "J-M" (Jgilhousen) (talk) 21:54, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Gutenberg College Article

Katr - I am a former student of Gutenberg College and I took your suggestion on the talk page of that article to rewrite the article in my own words. I posted it today and am wondering how to further resolve the neutrality dispute. ThanksSarahcculver (talk) 17:37, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Oregon & Eureka Railroad

Are you quite certain about your conversion of the Oregon & Eastern and Oregon & Eureka Railroad references in the Northwestern Pacific Railroad and the San Francisco and Northwestern Railway articles to Oregon, Pacific and Eastern Railway WikiLinks? The OP&E appears to have been a central Oregon railway, while the O&E was (to the best of my knowledge) limited to coastal California just north of Humboldt Bay. What is your reference for their presumed common identity? Thewellman (talk) 04:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear. I thought I was certain, but my reasoning was faulty. I couldn't find anything on the Internet on the Oregon & Eastern so I assumed it was a mistake, and somehow leaped to the conclusion that the OP&E's sister company Yreka and Western must have been what was meant, since that is roughly the area being talked about. That was dumb. Besides which the connection between OP&E and Yreka was much more recent than I realized. So I was wrong, however, the two articles I changed contradict each other. One says "Oregon and Eureka Railroad was formed in 1903 for Southern Pacific Railroad to assume control of logging lines around Arcata at the north end of Humboldt Bay. Merged into Northwestern Pacific in 1911.", while the other says (before I changed it) "Southern Pacific Railroad had simultaneously secured control of the logging lines north of Arcata through their subsidiary Oregon and Eastern Railroad." Are the two companies synonymous? In any case, O&E is mentioned in a few sources: [1], [2], [3]. So please go ahead and revert my changes but, if you could clear up the confusion between the two companies, that would be great. I suspect O&E was very short-lived indeed, since the normally thorough railfan crowd doesn't cover it online. There are a few more hits for O & Eureka, though there are a lot of false hits for O & Eastern to sort through. Of course if everyone who started these articles and added info used full inline citations, this kind of thing would be easier to track down.</soapbox> Thanks for getting in touch, I'm glad you caught that! Katr67 (talk) 06:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, my written references both say "Oregon & Eureka", so I don't know where that "Oregon & Eastern" came from -- probably from late-night editing. Thank you for pointing out that slip from reference to recollection. I have corrected the San Francisco and Northwestern Railway article and included in-line citations for both articles. Borden has the better description, but Stindt's 1978 volume also lists the Oregon & Eureka among the forty-two railroad company predecessors of the Northwestern Pacific. Thewellman (talk) 04:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again. Oregon and Eastern is still here. Is that correct? Katr67 (talk) 05:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you again. That locomotive is difficult to find. It was the only O&E engine adopted by the NWP as all the others remained in use by predecessor lumber companies. And it initially carried a different NWP number to add to the confusion. Stindt has the history on page 130. Thewellman (talk) 06:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

You might find [4] (and other numbers up to search_5) useful; it's not complete or reliable but can help keep names straight. If you type in "Oregon & E" it gives one result, the Oregon and Eureka Railroad from Samoa to Trinidad. --NE2 17:30, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Boy I'm tired. I'm thinking "Not only are Samoa and Trinidad nowhere near Oregon, how do they get the trains to run over the water like that?" Katr67 (talk) 06:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Just to increase the confusion, the O&E also passed through Manila en route. Humboldt County had a fixation for town names ending in A, including Eureka, Arcata, Fortuna, Scotia, Loleta, and Petrolia. Thewellman (talk) 16:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Elected Oregon

Hello fellow WikiProject Oregon folks and entities. Thanks to those who helped out with improving Vera Katz and History of Oregon during the last Collaboration of the Week! As you may have noticed, we have changed the banners a bit, but not our dedication to everything Oregon! This week, in honor of the political process, we have: Current Oregon Senate members & Current Oregon House members. Hopefully by November we can have an article on every current member of the Oregon Legislature. So feel free to turn a red link blue or expand an existing article. Since it is an election year, there should be plenty of newspaper stories. Plus, the state archives has this site that allows you to go back and see when they started serving and district info, plus at a minimum show they were a state legislator from a WP:RS. And per WP:BIO, all state legislator's are notable so no need to worry about AFD. As always, to opt out, opt in, or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

CPs and HDs

Once a historic district has been recognized, any property previously listed is also a contributing property. Daniel Case (talk) 20:15, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. NHLs are RHPs at the same time, as well. Daniel Case (talk) 23:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

River mile

Glad that youu and others found this a useful article. Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:49, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

munch munch

Ooooh, I've been busy with real work. I gotta catch up... --Esprqii (talk) 22:37, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Help

If you have the time and the mood, I have seen that the Lost Valley Educational Center article has been rewritten in a style that seems to me to be self promoting. I would not like to see the article butchered or placed up for deletion as selfpromoting, yet feel that I may be too close (having lived there) to revert or edit the article within a neutral point of view from myself. And I cannot find the template tag that says "wikipedia is not an ad". Thanks rkmlai (talk) 05:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I am a worker at Lost Valley Educational Center, and I was attempting some outreach on WP on behalf of the facility. About 1 1/2 hours later my work was rolled back. I was able to provide much more information than was previously posted, so I was dissapointed to see you updating it with less. I'm aware of WP's proclaimed standards, and I was mostly following them. If you have a vested interest in keeping the page neutral, PLEASE USE the information I spent my time gathering and editing, instead of deleting it because it doesn't fit in with your standards. Because I am working for Lost Valley, they are ok with potentially copyrighted material, such as harmless pictures of the facility, ect.

Because of this encounter, I will write more neutrally, and pay closer attention to the roolz, BUT I will also be much less willing to post information to begin with, if its going to be destroyed so instantly.

On another note, I appreciate and share your love and interest in Oregon, both currently and historically. I love checking out old buildings, such as the McMurphy house in Eugene. In the future, when I have more access to the net I may browse your contributions. Signed Mocosomocoso. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mocosomocoso (talk • contribs) 17:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll reply on your talk page, thanks. Katr67 (talk) 17:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

tThank you for your assistance. rkmlai (talk) 23:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Much Obliged

Just starting out as a Wikipedian and have much to learn. Thanks for the hint.

Ronkonkaman Ronkonkaman (talk) 20:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

KQIV (defunct) Revision

I noticed you placed:

"This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed." on the article: KQIV (defunct). I wrote the original and expanded it with the help of EncMstr. When you have a moment, would you please visit the talk page: Talk:KQIV (defunct) and let me know what improvements you would like to see? Thanks! Millerjoel (talk) 17:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Some have style ... some don't ...

You seem to. No need to reply, but one day, if you need me, don't hesitate to come calling. :) Abtract (talk) 23:31, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Juxtaposition COTW

Howdy Ho WikiProject Oregon! Time for another installment of Collaboration of the Week. The last few weeks we’ve knocked out quite a few articles of our current state legislators, and even a few former ones too. Great job to all those who helped make it happen. On a related note, we have had several DYKs from this and now have 53 DYKs so far this year (not counting multiples), less than four full months into the year. Last year we had a total of 83 DYKs for the entire year, and 7 combined for 2006 & 2005. So we are well on our way to another record year. Each time an article makes it to the main page as a DYK it will typically get an extra 1000 hits, which is usually far more than the typical 100 hits per month most minor articles receive. With that said, this week we have two requests, Portland Lumberjax and Silicon Forest. As always, to opt out, opt in, or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 21 April, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article O. P. Hoff, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 21:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I did? Cool! Katr67 (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

I'll take the fact that the cake only has about 25 candles as a nice compliment :) -Pete (talk) 22:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Kettle Foods

hello, do I need to send you documents from my years at Kettle Foods? And if I need to send you more information I will get it for you. Thanks Michael Slocum —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.115.142.183 (talk) 23:21, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Even if you send me documents (and I'm not interested in seeing them, no), it's still original research. Get your story published in a third-party source and then we'll be in business. Katr67 (talk) 00:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

how you say...

I saw you were giving NW pronunciation lessons. I finally learned Idanha, but I need a reliable source on Scio.

Somebody with full-on NW creaky voice needs to record the names of all these dadblasted places.

--Esprqii (talk) 00:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

How do you pronounce Idanha? Scio? That's easy. I know a native Scioian, and it's pronounced SIGH-oh. And I recently learned that Pratum is PRAT-um, not PRATE-um. Katr67 (talk) 01:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I knew a—Scio-onium? Scionite? Sciolander?—who said the worst pronunciation he ever heard for it was ess see ten. —EncMstr (talk) 01:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

They were calling it "ih-DAN-uh" (rhymes with Dan Tanna) on the news when it was snowed in. I usually trust the weatherpeople for local town pronunciation as without that, they lose whatever cred they might have actually had.

Dang it, Pratum breaks the usual Oregon rule that "if it looks like you should use Romance language rules--don't." (qv Estacada.

SC10--heh. Thanks guys! --Esprqii (talk) 01:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

SC10?! I'll have to tell my friend that. It sounds like a tractor engine additive... My latest mission is to disseminate the sad-but-true information that Buena Vista follows the above mangle-all-foreign-languages rule: BYOONA (rhymes with Tuna) Vista. Katr67 (talk) 01:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Northwest cities with goofy pronunciation anyone? --Esprqii (talk) 01:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm such a novice....

I don't even know if you got my message of a few minutes ago regarding Young's Scouts. If not, please email me at jcdurand3391@gmail.com and I'll try again. Thanks. Jcdurand3391 (talk) 11:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC) John Durand

Young's Scouts

Hi, My name is John Durand and I'm writing a history of the 1st North Dakota Volunteers in the Philippine-American War. One of my sources is an unpublished diary kept by John Baxter Kinne, a later member of Young's Scouts. I received a photo of the Scouts from Kinne's family with the understanding that I would include it in my book. The only person the family could identify in the picture is Kinne. I would like to post this picture on the Wiki entry for Young's Scouts and seek help in identifying other members. However, I don't know how to do this and am wondering if you might help. To my knowledge there are only two pictures of Young's Scouts, one taken at Baliuag and this one, taken in Manila on the Scouts' return from Lawton's Northern Campaign. Kinne's diary says they went directly from the train station to a photo gallery to have their picture taken. The Baliuag photo may or may not be in the public domain. I have also compiled a complete roster of Young's Scouts which I intend to include in my book as an appendix. I would be willing to add this information to Wiki, but as copywrited material, as I did considerable to research to get the full names and other information regarding the soldiers' service as Scouts. I hope to hear from you one way or another. jcdurand3391@gmail.com 75.130.24.242 (talk) 11:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi John, that sounds really interesting! I have to run, but for now, the short answer. (And, Psst, don't forget to sign in).

• I really don't think a Wikipedia article is the place to get your photo identified. See what Wikipedia is Not for more information. Basically, the article should be just like something you would find in a print encyclopedia, and shouldn't contain 2nd person instructions or contact info like "If you can help identify the people in this photo, please contact fooian@blahblah.org"
• If you're unsure about the copyright status of the photo, it is likely to be deleted anyway
• If your material is copyrighted, it can't be in the article
• Until your book is published, it sound like the info you want to add to the article is a) Original research b) From primary sources. We need to be using citations from what are considered reliable sources, and though I'm sure the info you have is accurate, it doesn't fit those criteria.

I think if you look at the article's talk page, you will see a link to the military history WikiProject. I bet they would be able to give you more advice. More later, Katr67 (talk) 14:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Katr67, Thanks for your helpful reply. I wish I knew of a Wiki-like site for cooperating on the kind of research I'm doing on Young's Scouts. I think I'll just post the photo on my Puzzlebox Press website and ask for help. Yesterday I went into the Young's Scouts entry and changed an erroneous date: Young could not have been wounded in 1898 because Lawton's Northern Campaign was fought in 1899. Today I noticed the date had been changed back to 1898, which is the wrong date. I regret that I don't have more time to learn the intricacies of Wiki (which seem very complex) but I'll do what I can to extend the fund of human knowledge.Jcdurand3391 (talk) 11:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The rules are kind of complex but if you skim through the links provided in the welcome template on your talk page, you'll be able to understand most of it. The problem with your change of date was:

• You weren't signed in
• You didn't leave an edit summary

Anonymous vandals like to come along and make subtle changes in articles like that, so the editor who reverted it probably took it for vandalism. You can also see the page history to see when and possibly why your change was reverted, and by whom. So if you want your change to stick, sign in, to show you're not a random vandal, and explain in the edit summary the reason for your change. If the date you're putting is different from what is common knowlege, you many have to provide a citation, and/or open a discussion about the discrepancy on the article's talk page. I hope that helps! Katr67 (talk) 22:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Scene Missing Magazine

I'm the admin and owner of the online photoblog/interview website Scene Missing Magazine. Recently, I updated the permalinks for several interview links on wikipedia pages,and was surprised to find today that that not only had all the time I spent doing this had been undone, but my website was coming up in a google search to a wikipedia discussion of whether or not I was spamming wikipedia. What bothers me most is that simply following the link verifies it as legitimate, and yet these links were removed. Please contact me regarding this at scene.missing.magazine@gmail.com 04/22/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.15.216.203 (talk) 14:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have time to contact you via e-mail. I simply reported the situation as possible Spam at WikiProject Spam I had no hand in deleting the links or blacklisting the website. Please check the page history of the articles in question and contact the user/s who made the deletions. You are also encouraged to take part in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#Scene Missing Magazine? Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 17:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

FSA Images

I know -- I was surprised to see Lange also. You can search the Library of Congress's digital collection here: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pp/mdbquery.html. Then choose preview images. The search results with a blue border around them have digital files online. There are a lot of FSA images of the Vale-Owyhee irrigation project, etc. best, Northwesterner1 (talk) 17:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

your edit just now

I think you didn't mean to remove all the text you just removed here - can you fix please? thanks Tvoz |talk 20:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Never mind - I fixed it - but you can check to be sure yours is where you wanted it. You may have been editing from an earlier version of the page which caused the other unrelated text to be deleted, but you should have gotten an edit conflict advisory. Don't know what happened. Tvoz |talk 20:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Of course not. I have no idea why that happened. Thanks for fixing it. Katr67 (talk) 20:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict again!)I've got several windows open right now and I'm multitasking, but yeah, if the page was stale I should have gotten the edit conflict message. <shrug> Thanks for putting it back in the right place. I blame Pete. </joke> Katr67 (talk) 20:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

hahaha I don't know Pete, but I'll take your word for it... cheers Tvoz |talk 20:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I think he was posting on that page the same time I was. We're pals, don't worry. Take care, Katr67 (talk) 20:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! and question - AND a leetle bug I spotted

Thanks: for putting the cake on User_talk:Peteforsyth! I have a certain Vested Interest....

Question: I noticed Oy vey on your user page. Is "what you want to do about it" to gradually poke through and correct all the "reigns" that should be "reins"? This is something I could do a little chipping away at too, if you like - just let me know if you do any more than make the correction (and how you like to "describe" it). Or if there's anything else special I should know about the mini-project. (I tried look up Wikignome but you see what I found!)

Bug: I've tried several times to add this comment by clicking on your "Leave me a message here" in the box at the top of your page - but when I do, then when I try to "Save page" it tells me I am not logged in! The first time it did this I logged in again, then came here very carefully (being sure each new move showed me as "Logged in"), and....it happened again! Several times. Ah, Bugland....

Best, —Martha (talk) 23:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Martha! I was chipping away at it quite some time ago, but I got bored. There are so very many of them. I have a more thorough explanation here. As I recall, I was using AWB and just changing the one word, though AWB makes other changes automatically. I think I just summarized it as reigns-->reins. WikiGnoming is pretty fun with AWB if you haven't tried it. You just need to ask for permission. Hmm. I wasn't aware of the bug, since I don't usually start topics on my own page. I'll have to check that out. I haven't updated the code on that box in a long time, and I think they changed the little "+" that used to be at the top of the page, which is what I based it on... Thanks for caring about homonyms! Katr67 (talk) 23:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I tested it on a PC and Explorer and I didn't have that problem, both with and without "remember me" checked when I was logged in. What are you using? Katr67 (talk) 23:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi again (I'm in a very busy time so didn't catch your replies - thanks though) - I just tried clicking the "here" thing again, before doing it. (Just to be sure I hadn't made it up!) I'm using a PC (with Windows XP and Firefox) and sure enough, when I click on "here", the top of the page no longer has my user stuff, and shows "Log in or create and account". I do NOT have "remember me" checked, and I used the "secure login".

On the Gnome and homonym stuff - maybe I'm just exhausted by the weekend (I'm certainly that!) but I don't think I want to get into it in a major way at this point. Working from (or generating and then working from) a search list is something I could imagine doing a little of, but signing up and learning how to use a new tool....makes all those things I really Should Be Doing look pretty attractive! But maybe someday. Best, Martha (talk) 01:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Full Sail

Hello Katr, My edits were trying to get the entry up to date and correct inaccuracies. I am the Brewmaster, so i appreciate the toning down... BrewmasterFSBC (talk) 06:01, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

thank spam

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 194 supporting, 9 opposing, and 4 neutral. Your kindness and constructive criticism is very much appreciated. I look forward to using the tools you have granted me to aid the project. I would like to give special thanks to Tim Vickers, Anthony and Acalamari for their nominations. Thank you again, VanTucky

You're coming to WikiWednesday? Awesome! That's wonderful Katr67. See you there, VanTucky 22:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

:-)

		The Rescue from Deletion Barnstar
		is hereby awarded to User:Katr67 for saving Warren, Oregon from speedy deletion and turning it into a great article. Great work!--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 07:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 14:39, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The Leaburg, Oregon rescue

Nice rescue on Leaburg, Oregon, on which I requested a speedy. And looking at the entry above that state owes you an ever-growing debt. :-) 196.211.5.241 (talk) 11:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, my session timed out there. Preceding comment by me. 9Nak (talk) 11:03, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

What can I say? One of my cats is a native of Leaburg. No way I could let her down. :) Katr67 (talk) 14:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Searchbox help

OK, whoever is watching this page, help me out here. What is up with the autocomplete in the search box, and how do I make it go the heck away? Katr67 (talk) 04:53, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Under my preferences, search, click "Disable AJAX suggestions" . Aboutmovies (talk) 05:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! Katr67 (talk) 06:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem, I'm watching you! Aboutmovies (talk) 06:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Eeek! Make the scary man go away! Katr67 (talk) 06:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

feedback notice and facts

I have found repeated inaccuracies and holes in the area of Pacific Northwest Insects. I am not a professional in the field but I am a woodsman and a 6th generation 52 year old resident of the Puget Sound area. I know what Crane Fly is and how large they become. The article is obviously in error. When I mentioned the size of these pests listed to household members etc it was greeted with great amusement. You may know Oregon, but you certainly have not spent a summer on Puget Sound it you have not encountered Crane Flies approaching the size of Dragon Flies. The creepy s---ts appeared here in the early 70's and have been growing in size each year from much the size of a large mosquitos to the Battlecruisers we have today. Frankly, I do not care if Wiki looks like an ass. So please leave the article as I found it. It'll make a fun topic when discussing your organization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.86.16.56 (talk) 11:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I think this must be ancient history, I don't remember the edit you're talking about, so I'll have to go look at the edit history. Meanwhile, see my FAQ re: "You may know Oregon, but....". Also, I spent six summers on Puget Sound. Yay for us. But original research doesn't belong on Wikipedia. As for "please leave the article as I found it, you might also read WP:OWN. Katr67 (talk) 15:50, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Yep, 8 days ago is ancient history for me :) So, I see the problem with your edits. You weren't signed in, and you didn't provide an edit summary or a citation to a reliable source for the increase in number. Anonymous vandals do subtle vandalism like changing a couple numbers all the time and the crane fly article is the target of a great deal of vandalism. I'll post a welcome template on your page so you can learn more about how Wikipedia works and that will give instructions on how to sign up for an account, if you choose. I agree the muthas are creepy, but unless you can find a citation for the size increase, your observations are what is classified as original research. I know that WSU and the State of Washington have excellent entomologists, and if there were crane flies the size of B-52 bombers, they would love to hear about it, so perhaps you could contact someone in one of those agencies who could help you find the appropriate references. I hope that helps! Further discussion about crane flies should go on the crane fly talk page. Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 16:06, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

David Wolman

Thanks for diving in and doing the work! It looks like Tillamook Air Museum was a full-on collaboration thanks to your instigation. —EncMstr (talk) 18:28, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: List of University of Oregon people

As you might have noticed by now, I have reverted the move and left a message on the talk page of the person who moved it. VegaDark (talk) 19:00, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

joke

You forgot to mention that second-place finish in your school's Battle of the Bands...Hope you don't mind that I cribbed your boilerplate box, though I think I changed it enough to avoid a copyvio.  ;-) --Finngall ^talk 17:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Rats. Yeah, just don't go pirating my pirate pirating userbox. Or BGD will come get you... "Where's my golden aaaarrrrmmmmm????" Katr67 (talk) 17:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

IE

Thanks, I was looking at Monobook too, which is my FF setting, but for some reason in IE, the font is all screwed up--like it's rendering at a size that the browser doesn't support. I'm sure if I decided to stick with IE I'd figure it out eventch. But never mind for now. And hey, aren't you supposed to be on break? --Esprqii (talk) 22:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, OK. Dang, I must've missed that. But surely you mean popped Zea mays? --Esprqii (talk) 23:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm caught up now. How did I totally miss that? So much for my total information awareness. --Esprqii (talk) 23:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Oregon Educational Accountability and Standards System

I wondered the same thing. I was overwhelmed by the size of the article; it was absolutely unreadable until I identified buried section headers and formatted it. My first thought was a copyvio, but it looks like you did some digging. I think you concluded there are no sources to cite, so I guess we wait to see what he does. —EncMstr (talk) 01:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

re:Union Street Railroad Bridge

Thanks for the cleanup and clarifications on that article. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jphn37 (talk • contribs) 00:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Lige

I knew that would give you the Lige bug. Thanks! --Esprqii (talk) 17:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Yep! Dude needs his own article... Katr67 (talk) 17:22, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Cinco de COTW

Greetings once again from the Collaboration of the Week at WikiProject Oregon. Thank you to those who helped out with the last set of articles. This week we have the lone Stub class article left in the Top importance classification, Flag of Oregon, and by request, Detroit Lake. Help where you can, if you can. To opt out of these messages, leave your name here. Adios. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiWeds

I know I didn't get to stay very long, but it was great to meet you last night at WikiWednesday! Hopefully sometimes soon we can get a larger contingent of Oregon Wikipedians have a work collaboration (Oregon Collaboration of the Month perhaps?) See you around the wiki, VanTucky 20:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Great to meet you too! Yeah, where did you go? I was going to show you I got a pic of Sho Dozono! Katr67 (talk) 20:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Where'd you get it? That's wonderful!. The following is for you... VanTucky 21:37, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to move to user space

		The Photographer's Barnstar
		I can't thank you enough for snapping the portrait of Sho Dozono. Images of living people are often hard to procure, and your work in this regard was invaluable. VanTucky 21:37, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I tagged along when Pete went to city hall and there he was! You might want to take the barnstar back when you see the image though. :P I've uploaded the uncropped version on Commons if anyone wants to mess with it. Katr67 (talk) 21:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

It's a fine photo. It just got a little fuzzy if you try and crop it small enough to cut out the reporter's hand/mike. I made a different cropped version to use if that's okay with you? VanTucky 22:02, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I think I like it better with the hand -- a little context makes the expression on his face make more sense. -Pete (talk) 22:06, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Works for me. I thought about leaving the mike in too. He does look a bit worried, doesn't he? Katr67 (talk) 22:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I created a modified version of the image to make his face clearer. It's quite rough, and has some yucky aliasing along the front of his chest, but I thought I'd test fly it here. If requested, I'll clean it up. —EncMstr (talk) 00:41, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, response is underwhelming. It's hard to say without seeing the cleaned up version, but my personal bias states that the current version is fine for now. Katr67 (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

dubious honors

Thx for the revert...yeesh, and all I did was add a maintenance tag and a stub tag to an article he created. With all the speedies and AfDs I've sprinkled around this week, this is the best vandalism I can attract? Heh, either the vandals are getting soft, or I am. Oh, and for your amusement check out The Ice Skating Mom From Hell(tm). Take care. --Finngall ^talk 05:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Re: Mom from Hell: Holy Stage Mom, Batman! And on a related note, since you don't reply to e-mail ;) ...you going to be around this weekend? Katr67 (talk) 05:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll be around, speaking of M....er, never mind.  ;-) --Finngall ^talk 05:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Shhhh. <shifty eyes> Cool, maybe I'll try that plastic gizmo with the buttons on it. I may drop in tomorrow but need to be back Sunday a.m. Should be at V's house as usual. I think I'd rather have dessert than lunch! Say hi to the Missus, and Stay Off the EverCrack! Katr67 (talk) 05:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

What do you think of this?

Thanks for your work at List of museums in Oregon. I'm thinking of converting the list into a sortable table, the way nearly all the other state museum lists have been converted. Please take a look at Talk:List of museums in Oregon#What about a sortable table? and tell me what you think there. I don't want to do it if there are objections to it. Noroton (talk) 11:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Mark Hatfield

I believe I am done with the expansion for the former gov/sen. Could you kindly copy edit it, as I'm thinking its broad enough/cited enough for FA now. Thank you. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I did a quick fix, running it through the spelling/grammar checker on Word, not sure when I'll get around to a closer look. Be sure to heed my new disclaimer in my FAQ! Slackerly yours, Katr67 (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

plagiarism in another language

Hi, please tell me what the rules are about this? I have discovered a german author is taking my website work and translating it and entering it on the german wikipedia. Is there anything I can do? ThanksKwonder (talk) 23:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Are you still watching this? I'm not sure if this is plagiarism or not, maybe ask at the Village Pump and see if they know where to ask to find someone who can rewrite the German so that it's not a direct copy? Katr67 (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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I appreciate your intentions in moving my comments at the WikiProject Oregon talk page, but I consider the topic separate enough from the previous one and I think editors are unlikely to see the new section half way up the page, so I restored it to the bottom. Thanks anyway. Noroton (talk) 03:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, our members to tend to watch that page pretty closely, but whatever. Katr67 (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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Re: Valerie Day

Heh, you are using one of my favorite tactics. Anyway, the guy was being pointy. I hadn't seen the article on the Heathman before, but then there are 2.3 million articles in Wikipedia now, & I'm sure I haven't even glanced at 90% of them. I don't have any source for that article, but my librarian friend gave me a book on the Multnomah County Library that I've been meaning to mine for Wikipedia -- drop me a line when it becomes a COTW, & I'll put out one of my round tuits. In the same line, I've long been tempted to write an article on a local Portland businessman by the name of Tom Petersen -- known 20 years ago for his commercials, & likely passable on the notability test because he has a few cameos in different Gus van Sant movies. (I'd have to dig through years of old Willamette Week to find reliable sources to keep the BLP squad content, though.) And hope to see you at a WikiWednesday soon, too. -- llywrch (talk) 05:23, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Wake up! Wake up! Are you kidding? Tom Peterson must be notable. He's listed in imdb after all... Katr67 (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow. I didn't think anyone under 35 had even heard about Tom. -- llywrch (talk) 21:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, I am 40. See username. I don't know if I'm blessed with good genetics or a perpetual lack of maturity... Katr67 (talk) 21:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

you're so old school

I'm glad you got to that. There was a mention of the "Jefferson Institute" as well; got anything on that? --Esprqii (talk) 23:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my D'oh moment on the name there. This is the place from which to start. I've been avoiding Jefferson Institute, it's much more complicated and work on that means improving Rickreall, Oregon and a couple other things. I just took a look at List of colleges and universities in Oregon#Defunct institutions and became terrified. Katr67 (talk) 23:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Gulp. That is an intimidating list all right. Great link. The JI was also mentioned in an article I saw (but now can't find) on William Lair Hill, who I was trying to track down after AM's Mary Leonard article. Cool nugget about the pheasants; who knew??! --Esprqii (talk) 23:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I know, huh? O.N. Denny is just ripe for a DYK... Katr67 (talk) 23:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Butting in for a moment: Horner had a lot on the old schools, and I think something about a pheasant. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, see page 232. (Googling "Denny Pheasant" also has a bunch...) --Esprqii (talk) 23:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

(unindent) Looks like lots of great stuff here--I keep running across those old Education Dept. reports. My formerly Civil War obsessed pal has the Webfoot book, I'll have to borrow it. Katr67 (talk) 23:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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