Talk:Tamara Gee

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PR?

This page seems to have been written by a Polish PR guy (only Poles write numbers like "$1.000,00"). Just thought I'd point that out to spoil their attempt to get free publicity. I've taken out the more obvious bits of OR but there's still loads that could go. No refs at all. Malick78 (talk) 20:11, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What the... What do you mean that only Poles write numbers like "$1.000,00"?? This is the rule rather than the exception to write numbers like that in Europe.--85.233.20.140 (talk) 18:04, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of general stadards of behaviour, the article is still pretty much a PR bit and needs work... PrinceGloria (talk) 20:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This entry was probably based on an earlier version of the Polish article, but I can't force myself to closely compare one against the other. Too sticky from all this near-hagiographic sugar. S/he appears to be a new Mozart, or even more... I'd say, stubify it and rebuild from there. It must have been a pretty special chart, the one s/he nearly topped... Bansp (talk) 01:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone anonymous has posted that this whole article is false etc because she used to be a man. I added the section about her so-called transexuality so feel free to expand it. But there is no official proof of that just yet.

Norum (talk) 02:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I come from Poland and I am quite interested in both the ESC and the singer in question, and I didn't find this piece of news especially notable - got to know about it from the edit to the article actually. Neither did the rumor gain notability, nor does it seem substantiated (there are photos of little Tamara quite ostensibly being a girl, her appearance changed a lot, but it was from young adult woman to a porcelain-horse-teeth-fitted fake-tan cyborg, not an MTF transsexual transformation), so I'd leave it out of the article. Polish Wikipedia didn't find it notable. Comments, thoughts? PrinceGloria (talk) 21:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

edits

I have removed most of the PR comments to make this sound like a proper reference. If a PR person removes more edits I will advise this page to be protected.

I feel the musical 'style' is irrelevant. At the least it should be a whole section. If no comments in a week I will remove this. Suggestions welcome?

Eurovisionman (talk) 15:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by BBC

Please do not remove sourced comments. It appears her PR people are editing this site. Eurovisionman (talk) 15:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

American

She is an American who married a Pole. Not a Polish American which would mean she was born in Poland. Better American Pole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eurovisionman (talk • contribs) 19:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Polish American means an American citizen of Polish background. Birth in Poland is certainly not necessary. Please do acquaint yourself with the relevant article. Mrs. Gołębiowska clearly identifies as such, and I do believe this is how Americans can be assigned to one of such "ethnic" groups. We are not here to perform OR and try to invent new ways of describing somebody's ethnicity, or try to estimate how much a person is or isn't of particular ethnicity/background. PrinceGloria (talk) 19:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please find sources that prove her affinity with Poland. As far as I can see you have not proved this affiliation.

Isis Gee's facebook entry defines her that way: "Isis is American with Polish roots, born in Seattle, Washington". In an interview, she stated that "I have Polish roots as my great grand mother is Polish. I think I have a lot of Poland in me, in my blood and in my roots". I could also provide sources in Polish if you please. PrinceGloria (talk) 19:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

She is saying that for PR, we need a non-biased source. Why did she only move to poland when her career failed in the US? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eurovisionman (talk • contribs) 19:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, please do sing your comments. Secondly, your opinion on her doing that for PR is nothing else but your opinion. Can you prove her grandmother was not Polish? Same applies to your opinion on her motivations - whatever they are, they are not quite Wikipedia's business. She is indeed Polish-American no less than Gloria Swanson was. We might not like her opportunistic branding, but Wikipedia needs to remain neutral. PrinceGloria (talk) 20:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

American Polish reflects her heritage better. She is an American who married a Polish man, unless you can provide a source. Eurovisionman (talk) 20:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing like "American-Polish", only American ethnicity, due to its innate character of being an immigrant-descendant one, enjoys the status-quo of multiple hyphenated ethnicities coexisting within it. Please do not invent new types of enthnicity. She does have a Polish background, so she is Polish-American. PrinceGloria (talk) 20:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, she is American - through her culture and upbringing. Just because she had an Polish grandmother means very little -I had a Jamaican grandfather but am not Jamaican. This article was just PR until I rewrote it in a reference style, such important statments of fact must be sourced.

She is an American who married a Polish man, unless you can provide a non-PR source. Not a Polish patriot born in America as her PR machine tries to make us believe Eurovisionman (talk) 20:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your merits in editing this article notwithstanding, were you American, you could perhaps be classificed as Jamaican-American. I do not think Gloria Swanson made much of her maternal family being of Polish descent during her life, but she still is a Polish-American by and large (just as much as she is Swedish-American). Everybody in the USA has some background, Tamara Diane Wimer happened to have some Polish among that, and this is the one she currently indentifies with, and we know nothing of any other background that would compete for the pre-hyphen status. PrinceGloria (talk) 20:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

American-Polish recognises your above comments but gives appropriate weighting to her cultural and ethnic outlook. Unless you can provide a source she is more Polish ( 4 years ) than american. I want this article to reflect correctly the facts Eurovisionman (talk) 20:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again, there is no ethnicity like "American-Polish". Polish American does not indicate how much a person is "Polish" and how much "American". It simply indicates an American citizen of Polish descent, no matter how remote. Ms. Wimer was of Polish descent, her marriage to Mr. Gołębiowski and life in Poland notwithstanding. PrinceGloria (talk) 07:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the english your edit provides undue weight to her apparent Polishness. 4 years in Poland doesn't remove that fact she is an American that moved to Poland.

Please see that I have made constructive edits to this article.

1. Removing a blatent PR article making it a proper reference.

2. Removing edits writted by her PR that insinuated things that are untrue or unsourced.

3. Adding additional material that has provided information that is useful and relevant for an article about an artist.

All you have done is remove sourced material - without adding anything new. Also, you are confusing readers by adding PR sentences.

Please cease.

Eurovisionman (talk) 08:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Critic Reviews

Any artist is subject to critical reviews. Especially as her performance was widely panned I feel that this is important for the article. This is not a PR puff piece. If she made a major performance and it was panned by critics that is worthy of entry. Eurovisionman (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where during the contest did the commentators say that, out of curiosity? I'm watching the semi back but I can't find 'em. Chwech 20:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Critic Response

There are a number of articles in wiki that talk about the critical response an artist received for a major work. From Verdi to Kyle Minogue. It seems one individual ( a fan ) is removing any negative information. 1 week ago this article was a PR piece and it will not return to one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eurovisionman (talk • contribs) 08:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]