Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 13

Earlier discussions

• /archive1: Archetypes; Standarization; Policy suggestion; Join project; Merge video and computer game articles?; "Video game" for articles that cover both; Project template; John Crawford's Infobox; Infobox; Infobox's code; Classification of Video Game Console Eras by Bits; Tapwave Zodiac; Yu Suzuki; Dead project?; Arcade game project; Rock the vote!

• /archive2: News section?; Joining; First infobox; Video game music Standardisation of Videogame region terminology; Bit-count/eras; Eras suggestions: STANDARDISATION; Computer and Video Games Collaboration of the week?; Lists of stats; Super Famicom/Super NES and Famicom/NES; New articles; Infoboxes art and release date: country of origin or american releases? (6 subsections); Softography/lists of games; Forwarding cleanup articles to you all?; Infobox design; Categories by year; Mod vs. modification and other naming; Terminology category; Wikipedia:WikiProject computers; Moved from WikiProject Video games talk; Assistance in Computer and video games; Save Bomberman II

• /archive3: Articles that need fixing for infoboxes, etc; Console infobox; Stubbing Companies; Forcing font size; Another era/generation problem; Storylines; Games in (insert year here); Game Master list; Genres; Template:Infobox CVG; Re: Mrwojo's comment on my talk page; Copyright question; Still on the infobox...; Google release date; Save Goomba; cvg-stub; MobyGames template

• /archive4: Recent infobox changes; Infobox gridlines; Infobox value plural(s); Ludography; Handheld confusion; Category consistency; Joining CVG Project; Hot Shots Golf; How do you want cleanup handled?; Game-screenshot template?

• /archive5: Series infobox; Era Standardization - Take 2; setting up a CVG peer review; Infobox picture; IRC??; Watermarked screenshots from other sites; Infobox code: white-space: nowrap; Arcade Game Infobox; archive; Wikiproject and Wikiportals; Infobox color; Goomba; Infobox example; How are vg characters categorized?; Added Split Personalities; Little problem in the snk characters section; Deletion of RPG characters.; GameRankings (or similar); Moving Hammer Bro.; Cheats/Level codes; Series pages - standardization?; problem with vandalism; Simulator games vs. God-games; Why is the tekken characters category up for deletion?; Pruning participants; Improvement Drive; CVG sub stub categories; New template {{{future game}}}; Awards section; Wario improvement; Nintendo games category; Categorisation: open source games; Help from SHIT?; Criticism section; ESRB ratings templates; IMDB links; CVG offshoots?; Infobox CVG {{{image}}}; Images, screenshots & fair use rationale; New WP:CVG participant Sitearm

Deletion list

Hi folks,

I just wanted to let you know about a list of votes for deletion on articles related to games. You can find the list here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Game-related. This isn't exclusive to computer and video game-related deletions, but those make up more than 90% of the items.

Since you're interested in improving Wikipedia's coverage of game-related topics, you might want to monitor this list.

If you find the list useful, please also help to maintain it by adding new items and archiving old ones. Thanks!

Cheers,

-- Visviva 16:06, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

PS New members are needed and welcome at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting. Hope to see you there!

Infobox float please fix

It's floating left instead of right and pushing article text off page. Please fix! -- Sitearm | Talk 18:57, 2005 August 15 (UTC)

Never mind, leave as is. I fixed on Children of the Nile article by putting infobox into its own section. I think I prefer this placing vs. float top right. Thanks! -- Sitearm | Talk 19:11, 2005 August 15 (UTC)

The infobox should never be in its own section. If it's not displaying correctly, it's most likely due to how the code is written on that specific article. The float hasn't been changed for quite some time. Page looks fine to me right now anyway. K1Bond007 19:55, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

The display changed to float left, then changed back to float right about 30 minutes later. It wasn't just the article page because I saw the change on this project page as well. If I knew how to find the template I'd check the edit history. Either that or something changed temporarily higher up in the wiki. -- Sitearm | Talk 02:38, 2005 August 18 (UTC)

It was probably your cache. I had that problem when it was first changed. It appeared on the left, but after doing a shift F5 (Firefox) it corrected itself. K1Bond007 02:41, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Gamerankings

Could we make it a Wikiproject guideline to link to the Gamerankings page of a game in its external links section? That way, instead of having to mention individual reviews or criticisms/praises of the game, we can just direct the reader to a collection of reviews for the game. I think this would be a good guideline to add although I don't know where it would fit in the Wikiproject...Amren 06:20, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

This has already been suggested (please see /archive5#GameRankings or similar). It was concluded that reviews being inherently subjective points of view, they should be referred to in the External links section of articles and do not belong in the {{Gamebox}} template. Grumpy Troll ^(talk) 11:56, 19 August 2005 (UTC).

All right, so we should just link to it in the external links section? I'll do it to every game article I come across, thanks.Amren 15:36, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Infobox CVG... 'rating'

I don't suppose this can be made optional as well? I dunno if there's any overhead with if defined call1... but as a lot of games predate this nanny state buisness, would be nice not to have a blank row if it's not absolutely nessersary. --zippedmartin 12:47, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Looking at your contributions it seems you're having problems with games that have only been released in Japan (Treasure of the Rudras), so have no ESRB or ELSPA rating. There should be a CERO rating for that. Jacoplane 12:55, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

They were founded in 2002. To my knowledge, there was no rating system prior to that. And actually, the game I'd looked at just before writing that was LOOM - there are just a lot of games with no meaningful rating. If there's no reason not to make it optional, would save a N/A in a lot of cases. (Side comment, I just looked at my Dungeon Keeper box and see no guidelines, so I presume that was only rated in the US, is it worth reflecting that in some way?) --zippedmartin 13:50, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

How about adding "Unrated" for these cases. I like making it optional in the template. -- Sitearm | Talk 15:40, 2005 August 20 (UTC)

Terminology category

I'd like to request some help moving as many articles as possible out of Category:Computer and video game terminology. This category seems to work as a general dumpster for CVG topics, but Wikipedia is not a dictionary, and "terminology" isn't an helpful classification. I think most topics here could be moved to Category:Computer and video game culture and Category:Computer and video game gameplay (in which subcategories could be created later on). What others are needed? Fredrik | talk 13:55, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree, many of the articles in the terminology category (such as player-run economy) should be in gameplay.Amren 16:16, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. K1Bond007 16:56, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

Me too (I've started). Some things still ambiguous like "woot" and "avatar". Where would you put those? -- Sitearm | Talk 17:12, 2005 August 20 (UTC)

I have no idea to be honest. Just do the obvious ones for now and we'll have to come up with something in the future to better categorize some of these misc ones. K1Bond007 17:14, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

'kay (p.s. what about a category for netspeak or whatever the current term is?) -- Sitearm | Talk 17:18, 2005 August 20 (UTC)

See Category:Internet slang.Amren 17:23, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

I already put PWN in culture, I think w00t should go in there as well. Maybe I'm applying the category too broadly...Amren 17:20, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

I was going to say Category:Internet slang. We can make this a subcat of CVG. Perhaps make a subcategory of this Category:Computer and video game slang or something to that effect. (Like 3 edit conflicts right there) K1Bond007 17:25, August 20, 2005 (UTC)